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QuoteItalian newspapers are reporting today that Pope Benedict is to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 for allegations against the Pope of child sex crimes. Stuart Wilde http://www.stuartwilde.com (http://www.stuartwilde.com)
Story: Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
So the previous thread about Pedopope was true. Good. Hope they burn this fucker at the stake, and every dirty dicked cardinal underneath him.
Quote from: "stromboli"Hope they burn this fucker at the stake
That's witches.
I believe that popes get cannonised.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "stromboli"Hope they burn this fucker at the stake
That's witches.
I believe that popes get cannonised.
Hmmm....
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Yeah, that'll do.
Sickening
Only the tip of the iceburg with this satan. Soon-to-be ExPope is evil.
just evil - no religion required.
If he's Really Catholic the public opinion & protection under the law should be the last thing he'd be worried about.
typical
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QuoteItalian newspapers are reporting today that Pope Benedict is to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 for allegations against the Pope of child sex crimes. Stuart Wilde http://www.stuartwilde.com (http://www.stuartwilde.com)
Story: Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
So the previous thread about Pedopope was true.
Well, I'll be damned. The layers of the onion keep getting peeled away.
Why the president of Italy? Why not the president of the Vatican? Do they have one? Isn't it supposed to be like its own country?
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "stromboli"Hope they burn this fucker at the stake
That's witches.
I believe that popes get cannonised.
Hmmm....
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Yeah, that'll do.
Is that the Pope in his workout apparel? Pretty flashy.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"Hmmm....
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Yeah, that'll do.
Is that the Pope in his workout apparel? Pretty flashy.
It would be perfect with the big hat.
We will learn from this just how embedded into the Italian psyche the Vatican is. We will also learn how much politics and religion are related.
Cannonized? Good one. I hope they shove an explosive projectile up his ass first.
I didn't know the pope was an accused molester... the amount of corruption for to happen is just astounding...
Quote from: "_Xenu_"I didn't know the pope was an accused molester... the amount of corruption for to happen is just astounding...
He was surely complicit. The escond article I posted on the first thread indicated he had close ties to some of the more notorious perpetrators
QuoteFr. Marcial Maciel and the Rhode Island courts
At that point in our discussion Arnie pointed me to a couple of links I hadn't seen involving a Rhode Island court case against the so-called "Legion of Christ," a Catholic group with very close ties both to John Paul II and Ratzinger, and its notorious (and sexually prolific) founder, Fr. Marcial Maciel. I bring up Arnie Arnesen because she personally knows one of the principals in the lawsuit and has additional information. I'll add her contribution below the news pieces.
Apparently Friar Maciel was a major perpetrator, and Ratzinger/Pedopope knew something or was complicit before or after the fact. This is just one point. There are also ties within Italy and also Ireland
Our reliable seer Sabrina predicted initially this would be the reason for his resignation and she was right. Go Sabrina!
Quote from: "stromboli"Quote from: "_Xenu_"I didn't know the pope was an accused molester... the amount of corruption for to happen is just astounding...
He was surely complicit. The second article I posted on the first thread indicated he had close ties to some of the more notorious perpetrators
... and not just that: for years, he was in charge of the office that, while charged with eliminating immorality from the Church, actually covered up these crimes by reassigning the guilty, and negotiating settlements which required silence on the parts of victims.
He's ass-deep in alligators, and this is one swamp he ain't draining.
This is a bunch of bullshit.
The Pope does not have to ask for immunity from any other head of state because no head of state of any nation will want to piss off 1.2 billion of the world's population. And also El Papa is the head of his own state, he is already immune from any sort of prosecution of any crimes excluding war crime which means only the U.N. could prosecute him and if you think that would ever happen...you are living in delusion land.
His "rock star" predecessor John Paul part 2 is on his way to being a saint. He only swept this under the rug for 20+ years. Benedict gets to be the fall guy though.
If he had nothing to hide and had no fear of prosecution for his henious crimes he wouldn't have to seek a diplomatic force field.
Where's Azzi when you need her?
Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It would be perfect with the big hat.
Couldn't find a good full body shot of him in the big hat. This is the best I could do.
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Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Where's Azzi when you need her?
I think I found her on another forum. Oh Azzi. Wonder what she would have had to say about all this?
I want to laugh. But that would be laughing at Azzi who's feelings I think were/are quite sincere. *sigh* Oh the deluded - what ugly lives they lead.
Quoteno head of state of any nation will want to piss off 1.2 billion of the world's population.
Still, I wouldn't expect many catholics rioting, burning down embassies or strapping on suicide wests and exploding randomly all over the place.
Quote from: "pr126"Quoteno head of state of any nation will want to piss off 1.2 billion of the world's population.
Still, I wouldn't expect many catholics rioting, burning down embassies or strapping on suicide wests and exploding randomly all over the place.
You don't know Catholic history, particularly in Ireland. And yes I expect some Catholic would do worse if any other state tried to lift a fingernail against the Pope, and that is one of the reasons it is never going to happen.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"He will get away with it under any circumstances. Even if he gets prosecuted -unlikely- they will say he is so old and sick to do time. This is so disgusting.
Yeah he will.
This is a good day for atheists, I think. A gigantic crack in the foundation of the vile, corrupt Catholic organization. I don't give a shit if more people become atheists, but I do give a shit that such a gigantic and ancient organization hurts as many people as they do. Fuckers. Maybe more people will understand what it is all about and stay the hell away from the Catholic church.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It would be perfect with the big hat.
Couldn't find a good full body shot of him in the big hat. This is the best I could do.
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You are going to hell for this, you realize.
It's probably a bit of a fallacy to do this, but I'm taking his attempt at seeking immunity as admission of his guilt.
"Il papa Benedicto", not "el"... its not Spain.
/ultranickpick
I have always had a strong distaste for the Vatican and rejoice every time they prove just how big of sleazes they are.
The two best things that could happen to Italy imo are seizing the Vatican as state land and the exile of the Berlusconi family. Shame neither will happen.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "BarkAtTheMoon"It would be perfect with the big hat.
Couldn't find a good full body shot of him in the big hat. This is the best I could do.
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:lol:
Quote from: "Shiranu""Il papa Benedicto", not "el"... its not Spain.
/ultranickpick
Nit pick, it's not nick pick. You've missed an apostrophe as well.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"This is a bunch of bullshit.
The Pope does not have to ask for immunity from any other head of state because no head of state of any nation will want to piss off 1.2 billion of the world's population. And also El Papa is the head of his own state, he is already immune from any sort of prosecution of any crimes excluding war crime which means only the U.N. could prosecute him and if you think that would ever happen...you are living in delusion land.
I was thinking spmething like this.
Isn't this equal to a PM of a country asking another country's PM for immunity? What does it even mean?
He will get away with it under any circumstances. Even if he gets prosecuted -unlikely- they will say he is so old and sick to do time. This is so disgusting.
So did I. Being a resident of the Vatican City he has nothing to fear from Italian justice system. Not now and not when he become an ex-pope. My BS meter is twiching at this story.
Gerard
Quote from: "Gerard"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"This is a bunch of bullshit.
The Pope does not have to ask for immunity from any other head of state because no head of state of any nation will want to piss off 1.2 billion of the world's population. And also El Papa is the head of his own state, he is already immune from any sort of prosecution of any crimes excluding war crime which means only the U.N. could prosecute him and if you think that would ever happen...you are living in delusion land.
I was thinking spmething like this.
Isn't this equal to a PM of a country asking another country's PM for immunity? What does it even mean?
He will get away with it under any circumstances. Even if he gets prosecuted -unlikely- they will say he is so old and sick to do time. This is so disgusting.
So did I. Being a resident of the Vatican City he has nothing to fear from Italian justice system. Not now and not when he become an ex-pope. My BS meter is twiching at this story.
Gerard
The pope is the enemy of humanity . He should be in jail .
You guys are missing the point, I think. His prosecution and even conviction is irrelevant. He just admitted guilt by attempting to secure immunity. To the whole world. The real damage was done.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"You guys are missing the point, I think. His prosecution and even conviction is irrelevant. He just admitted guilt by attempting to secure immunity. To the whole world. The real damage was done.
I think that's a stretch. I'm not going to defend the guy or the church, but there other possibilities besides guilt.
If I was in a position to receive immunity should I ask for it, and I felt I stood little chance of being able to receive a fair trial for whatever reason, I might be inclined to ask for said immunity. Like I said, I don't want to defend the guy nor the church but I would not consider this action as any kind of admission of guilt or evidence of same.
I was hoping this was true, but after much googling, no reputable news source is reporting it.
In fact, I found this, which I happen to agree with:
//http://skepticink.com/dangeroustalk/2013/02/15/did-the-pope-really-seek-immunity-for-war-crimes/
Quotealleges that "The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State" is seeking to prosecute the Pope for crimes against humanity. He certainly does deserve to be prosecuted for such crimes, but I don't think this story is true. First, I never heard of this tribunal and if it did exist, it would be busy with many more crimes of Church/State violations. Besides, the Vatican doesn't even have a church/state separation. It isn't America.
Second, why would the Pope need to beg the Italian president for anything? The Pope doesn't live in Italy. He lives in Vatican City where he is the Pope! Vatican City is a sovereign nation. While it is located within the borders of Italy, it is not part of Italy. If the Pope wanted immunity, he would just need to ask the Vatican City head of state. That would be him.
Unless The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State is prepared to storm the country with troops, the Pope already has immunity. Is it possible that the UN could level sanctions of some kind on the Vatican to get them to give up the Pope? Sure, it's possible, but highly improbable without multiple nations calling for prosecution including the United State government. According to the article, there is just one unnamed nation calling for prosecution.
I think this story is bullshit. It would be great if it were true but I almost certainly isn't true. No reputable news source is reporting this. Instead, they are focused on where the Pope will live after retirement... and prison wasn't one of the options. If this were true, the mainstream media would certainly cover it in some fashion.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"You guys are missing the point, I think. His prosecution and even conviction is irrelevant. He just admitted guilt by attempting to secure immunity. To the whole world. The real damage was done.
Here Here!!
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Nonsensei"You guys are missing the point, I think. His prosecution and even conviction is irrelevant. He just admitted guilt by attempting to secure immunity. To the whole world. The real damage was done.
Here Here!!
But...there is no evidence he attempted any such thing. I mean, if it comes out he did, I'll eat my words (if you can loan me some nice spicy mustard!!), but this news story is most likely not true.
//http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/343606
The Italian Government IS Italy. And if he leaves Vatican City (much like Julian Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy), he could be arrested by the nation surrounding where he resides.
Quote from: "SvZurich"The Italian Government IS Italy. And if he leaves Vatican City (much like Julian Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy), he could be arrested by the nation surrounding where he resides.
And the government of Italy has a treaty with the Papal State which recognizes the Papal State as its own sovereign state and the Pope as the head of that state thereby that mean that the Pope has diplomatic immunity just like any other head of state who visits Italy. They can't and will not touch. This whole thing is merely wishful thinking.
^ Except the Ratz resigned as Pope (head of state), remember?
Unless that protection extends to former heads of state, the Ratz can now be arrested as he no longer represents the Papal State.
Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"Quote from: "SvZurich"The Italian Government IS Italy. And if he leaves Vatican City (much like Julian Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy), he could be arrested by the nation surrounding where he resides.
And the government of Italy has a treaty with the Papal State which recognizes the Papal State as its own sovereign state and the Pope as the head of that state thereby that mean that the Pope has diplomatic immunity just like any other head of state who visits Italy. They can't and will not touch. This whole thing is merely wishful thinking.
Once he ceases to be the Pope he is no longer the head of anything. In the eyes of the law he is just some guy who aided and abetted child rape.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"Quote from: "SvZurich"The Italian Government IS Italy. And if he leaves Vatican City (much like Julian Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy), he could be arrested by the nation surrounding where he resides.
And the government of Italy has a treaty with the Papal State which recognizes the Papal State as its own sovereign state and the Pope as the head of that state thereby that mean that the Pope has diplomatic immunity just like any other head of state who visits Italy. They can't and will not touch. This whole thing is merely wishful thinking.
Once he ceases to be the Pope he is no longer the head of anything. In the eyes of the law he is just some guy who aided and abetted child rape.
Once he ceases to be Pope, he will still be a Cardinal and probably retain diplomatic status as a representative of the Papal State which most Cardinals are. Sorry the article is pure unadulterated
BULLSHIT and a pipe dream.
Yeah, the fissures in this story are pretty gaping.
Ratzinger being Pope or No Pope will be protected by the Catholic Church till the end of his days; likely even revered by many *gag* To do otherwise would be admitting shame and they cannot allow that. His petition or No petition for protection won't mean anything when they go to beat the dirt from the rug. He'll be protected - but by the church (never forgetting the true power they wield) Just check history.
Times they are a'changing when it comes to the internet and available information but mark my words Ratzinger will be protected by the church. In fact, there may be even dirtier business yet to ensure his protection. I wouldn't be surprised if people weren't eliminated or killed to accomplish his protection. JesusPete - the power of the church! - eegads!
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Current heads of state don't have immunity from anything. The African Union Summit was cancelled because Malawi's threat to arrest Omar al-Bashir on ICC warrants. Former heads of state have to be careful about their travels as well. Augusto Pinochet was arrested in the UK on criminal charges made in Spain.
When i heard he was stepping down, my first thought was, "He's guilty." I agree the story of him seeking immunity is BS, but it's my feeling that someone "leaked" this story to further incriminate the Rat. It might even have been a cardinal with pope aspirations.
OTOH, i'm sure there must be plenty of people who would like to take legal action against the pope, and someone might eventually find a loophole that would enable it. So there could be some truth to the story.
Regardless, I predict within the next two decades all will be forgiven and forgotten, and Pedopope Rat will be beatified.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"Quote from: "SvZurich"The Italian Government IS Italy. And if he leaves Vatican City (much like Julian Assange leaving the Ecuadorian Embassy), he could be arrested by the nation surrounding where he resides.
And the government of Italy has a treaty with the Papal State which recognizes the Papal State as its own sovereign state and the Pope as the head of that state thereby that mean that the Pope has diplomatic immunity just like any other head of state who visits Italy. They can't and will not touch. This whole thing is merely wishful thinking.
Once he ceases to be the Pope he is no longer the head of anything. In the eyes of the law he is just some guy who aided and abetted child rape.
In the eyes of the law he will still be a man connected to power and influence and money . And money and power talks and the moral outrage of powerless peons walks. Nothing will happen to the man.
Quote from: "stromboli"http://www.stuartwilde.com/2013/02/popeseeks-immunity-protection-from-italian-president/#.UR2SyBbzf5a.facebook
QuoteItalian newspapers are reporting today that Pope Benedict is to seek immunity and protection from Italian President Giorgio Napolitano on February 23 for allegations against the Pope of child sex crimes. Stuart Wilde http://www.stuartwilde.com (http://www.stuartwilde.com)
Story: Posted on February 14, 2013 by itccs
International Tribunal calls on Napolitano to "not collude in criminality", and announces global campaign to occupy Vatican property and launch human rights inquiry in Italy
Rome (9 am local time):
Pope Benedict, Joseph Ratzinger, has scheduled a meeting with Italian President Giorgio Napolitano for Saturday, February 23 to discuss securing protection and immunity from prosecution from the Italian government, according to Italian media sources.
Ratzinger's meeting follows upon the apparent receipt by the Vatican of a diplomatic note from an undisclosed European government on February 4, stating its intention to issue an arrest warrant for Ratzinger, who resigned from his pontificate less than a week later.
In response to the February 23 meeting, the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS), through its field Secretary, Rev. Kevin Annett, has written to President Napolitano, asking him to refrain from assisting Ratzinger in evading justice.
So the previous thread about Pedopope was true. Good. Hope they burn this fucker at the stake, and every dirty dicked cardinal underneath him.
Much as I would like to see Herr Pedopapst and the whole cathothug church to be brought down, I call bullshit on this story.
First of all, there's no credible Italian newspaper reporting about this alleged meeting between Nazinger and Napolitano. Italian is my mother tongue and all I was able to find was a couple of blogs basically parroting the ITCSS website.
Secondly, the ITCSS is no real tribunal or official organisation able to bring charges against anyone. I don't really know much about its founder Kevin Annett and, therefore, I'm not going to pass judgements on him but it seems to me that the whole story is just wishful thinking.
Thirdly, all the Ratz has to do once he's not the Pope anymore is to stay in the Vatican. No officals of other countries will be able to even go and question him, let alone charge him with anything. That is exactly the kind of protection the Vatican - through Nazinger's predecessor - granted archbishop Marcinkus when the Italian police wanted to question him on account of a big financial scandal involving the Vatican's bank and several misterious deaths (this story was also the base for the plot of "The Godfather part III").
Quote from: "Shiranu""Il papa Benedicto", not "el"... its not Spain.
/ultranickpick
Actually, it's "Il papa Benedetto" /meganitpick 8-)
I thought it was "il papa bentadicto." :twisted:
Not only does this "maledeto" should be prosecuted, as the Vatican would have to pay for all the families of the victims of pedophilia and arrest everyone involved. Practicing any kind of violence against children is something so despicable that there are enough adjectives to describe these "people".
I'm just totally shocked and disgusted that any human being can let this happen. Why are they allowed to get away with this I really don't understand. I must confess I am a bit ignorant of the subject and just wondered he anyone would be kind enough to give me a general low down on the whole catholic church and pedophiles. Has the church given any information over to police or do they continue to denie and cover up?
Quote from: "Howandwhy?"I'm just totally shocked and disgusted that any human being can let this happen. Why are they allowed to get away with this I really don't understand. I must confess I am a bit ignorant of the subject and just wondered he anyone would be kind enough to give me a general low down on the whole catholic church and pedophiles. Has the church given any information over to police or do they continue to denie and cover up?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21408033 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21408033)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21412609 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21412609)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11141340 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11141340)
I hope he gets extradited for crimes against little boys worldwide and further infecting Aids in Africa.
Well Italy doesn't have a president at the moment owing to their hung parliamentary elections.
Anyone would have tonight the pope timed his resignation to coincide with elections that were widely tipped to be inconclusive in their results...
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Well Italy doesn't have a president at the moment owing to their hung parliamentary elections.
Anyone would have tonight the pope timed his resignation to coincide with elections that were widely tipped to be inconclusive in their results...
Italy has a president, Mr. Giorgio Napolitano. Because of the parliamentary elections, Italy doesn't have a Prime Minister.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/26/world/eur ... ?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/26/world/europe/vatican-benedict-title/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Sounds like this half pope title he's going to have will probably be used to keep any diplomatic immunity he has. The Vatican will never let a pope go down to civilian authorities as long as they have even the smallest amount of influence.
I bet there will be some serious infighting during conclave. They should drop the secrecy and show it live on tv. :popcorn:
A live conclave broadcast would be awesome, sort of like C-Span meets the Supranos or maybe like the TV series about the Borgias. They could call it V-Span or Vatispan or Pope puree. I know i'd watch it. =D>