Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
2) Materialism
3) uncaused effects
4) many many more.
Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.
Many theists say a lot of stuff.
I think most Atheist would say its most likely that there is not a God, or atleast not a theistic god, rather than "It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god." I would attribute that more to someone who is agnostic rather than Atheist since its a more on the fence position.
Quote from: MagetheEntertainer on January 10, 2015, 09:51:19 PM
I think most Atheist would say its most likely that there is not a God, or atleast not a theistic god, rather than "It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god." I would attribute that more to someone who is agnostic rather than Atheist since its a more on the fence position.
It is the minimum level that an atheist must take as a presupposition. I say that thanks to Lawrence Krauss (his book "A Universe from Nothing") that the presupposition of atheism is supported.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
Given the frequency this is debated on atheist forums, it certainly doesn't seem like a universal atheist supposition.
QuoteMaterialism
Check the Vatican for its position on materialism.
Quoteuncaused effects
This is a fundamentalist issue, not an atheist one. Fundamentalists demand an uncaused effect to explain god. Most atheists do not demand uncaused effects.
Quote from: SGOS on January 10, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
This is a fundamentalist issue, not an atheist one. Fundamentalists demand an uncaused effect to explain god. Most atheists do not demand uncaused effects.
Most theists seem to say that you must propose uncaused effects in order to counter the Kalam Cosmological Argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0jiFoFfl0
Hope this helps
The only thing atheism is, is the the lack of belief of god and religion. Period. All other philosophies and bullshit has nothing necessarily to do with it.
Now on the OP, which theists are saying this? I have not heard some of these said from any theists. For instance, I have never heard a theist say that atheism means no free will. I have heard the opposite, that atheists must think that "anything goes" but never that we have no free will.
Where are you getting this "information" from?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2015, 12:37:01 AMNow on the OP, which theists are saying this? I have not heard some of these said from any theists. For instance, I have never heard a theist say that atheism means no free will. I have heard the opposite, that atheists must think that "anything goes" but never that we have no free will.
NSFL, but remember, you asked for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU24WlHen0
Money shot is at 2:32 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU24WlHen0&t=2m18s).
Basically, the argument goes that if we're all "just" atoms, then free will doesn't exist. Free will is desirable. Therefore, Christianity is true.
It's actually a fairly common objection to atheism among religious apologists second only to the whole "anything goes" spiel, which is used so frequently that it might as well be a macro command.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 11, 2015, 01:58:43 AM
NSFL, but remember, you asked for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU24WlHen0
Money shot is at 2:32 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU24WlHen0&t=2m18s).
Basically, the argument goes that if we're all "just" atoms, then free will doesn't exist. Free will is desirable. Therefore, Christianity is true.
It's actually a fairly common objection to atheism among religious apologists second only to the whole "anything goes" spiel, which is used so frequently that it might as well be a macro command.
Lol just when you think you've seen all stupidity possible, there is more out there. Good heads up, I never heard that one before.
Needless to say, I retract my previous statement... :lol:
What does NSFL mean btw?
Not Safe For Life (prolonged exposure will mess you up in the head) I give it out before posting graphic violence, reality TV clips, and religious apologetics.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 11, 2015, 02:12:44 AM
Not Safe For Life (prolonged exposure will mess you up in the head) I give it out before posting graphic violence, reality TV clips, and religious apologetics.
I'm so behind in terminology.... I really need to have urban dictionary up at all times....
Usually, I can follow an argument, even when I don't believe it's valid, but I couldn't follow Dr. Fernandez at all. I could recognize a argumentative format when he would say, "If an atheist claims [something], then [something] follows". The "If/Then" format signals a process of logical deduction is about to begin, and gains my attention. It gives me hope for ensuing thoughtful discourse that inspires thoughtful consideration, but I was unable to grasp how his "ifs" lead to his "thens". Then I lost interest and brushed it off. If he wants me to understand, he's going to have to rephrase it or something.
I do picture a bunch of Christians nodding their heads in total agreement with him, even Christians devoid of comprehension skills. I picture them nodding knowingly, but I have to wonder if any of them understand him.
It's frustrating because I sensed isolated snippets of clarity, agreement, and fragments of coherence shot gunned into various phrases. I felt like I was on the verge of understanding something, but everything taken together fails to gel into a coherent whole.
Quote from: Jason78 on January 10, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Many theists say a lot of shit.
Forgive me, I had to correct that.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
2) Materialism
3) uncaused effects
4) many many more.
Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.
Take it with a grain of salt, they also have invisible friends so to lecture us on what we presume is absurd.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.
What's a god?
Is a stupid rock falling off a cliff responsible for killing a baby in a carriage? Of course it is, just like OJ doing what he did. The idea that you have to have freewill to be responsible is bogus. The law should be about protecting society not punishing people for emotional reasons just like the ones that do a crime. Only religion can come up with freewill and justifying retribution for sin. Cause and effect doesn't mean this caused that, it means a history of events cause this and that. There was an old man that developed a brain tumor and became a pedophile, was he responsible for what he did? Yes, but and should be punished? He had the tumor removed and was no longer a threat to children. It's the animal and emotions in us that causes threats to society that make us responsible, and why the law should be about protecting society by removing our actions based on emotional physical retribution, in my opinion. Isn't this what it means to be mature and civilized---to control ones emotions so one does not do harm. :think: Solitary
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
The only thing atheism is, is the the lack of belief of god and religion. Period. All other philosophies and bullshit has nothing necessarily to do with it.
Thank you. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 12, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
Thank you. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.
Because to such people, the idea of there not being a god is not even a possibility, like breathing. And so when they are confronted by someone who doesn't believe, they either think the person is playing a joke on them, or trying to wind them up, and some even react like a cornered animal at such a differing aspect. Its not just a belief to some people, its so ingrained in there psych their brains might explode trying to understand it. Every thought will always come back to 'but god done it'
Quote from: Munch on January 12, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Because to such people, the idea of there not being a god is not even a possibility, like breathing. And so when they are confronted by someone who doesn't believe, they either think the person is playing a joke on them, or trying to wind them up, and some even react like a cornered animal at such a differing aspect. Its not just a belief to some people, its so ingrained in there psych their brains might explode trying to understand it. Every thought will always come back to 'but god done it'
The thing is.... even many atheists think there is more things attached to being an atheist than just not believing in god. I was at a party the other day and I was talking to someone that was saying something similar.... that he isn't an atheists. But because I knew from earlier conversations, he didn't believe in a god. His assumptions that atheists have more philosophy than just not believing in a god made him, an atheist, think that he wasn't an atheist.
Honestly, I don't really care if someone calls them self a duck, but if a person doesn't believe in gods, they're an atheist whether they want to be called one because of the stigma attached to it or not.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 12, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
The thing is.... even many atheists think there is more things attached to being an atheist than just not believing in god. I was at a party the other day and I was talking to someone that was saying something similar.... that he isn't an atheists. But because I knew from earlier conversations, he didn't believe in a god. His assumptions that atheists have more philosophy than just not believing in a god made him, an atheist, think that he wasn't an atheist.
Honestly, I don't really care if someone calls them self a duck, but if a person doesn't believe in gods, they're an atheist whether they want to be called one because of the stigma attached to it or not.
I've heard people use that same argument with there sexuality, they can't just be decided on one, they can't just be gay, straight, bi or pansexual, it not trendy enough and don't want a 'label' over there identity.
Quote from: Munch on January 12, 2015, 06:16:04 PM
I've heard people use that same argument with there sexuality, they can't just be decided on one, they can't just be gay, straight, bi or pansexual, it not trendy enough and don't want a 'label' over there identity.
I've actually don't remember ever hearing the term pansexual before. You learn something every day.
But yeah. It's not a matter of labels, it's just that it.... Is. If you don't believe in God, you're an atheist. And it's as simple as that.
Sent from your mom.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Atheist presuppositions?
Atheism is not incompatible with an appreciation of the Divine. All too often a superficial, theist belief in God may be no more than an idolatrous image of thought that obscures the true Divine.
QuoteMany theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
2) Materialism
3) uncaused effects
4) many many more.
Only one.It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.
I am inclined to think that all Theist faiths are more prone to this idolatry. That is one reason why I find Buddhist and Taoist conceptions of the divine so appealing.
Quote from: Jason78 on January 10, 2015, 09:50:45 PM
Many theists say a lot of stuff.
Hosanna in excelsis.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
Now on the OP, which theists are saying this? I have not heard some of these said from any theists. For instance, I have never heard a theist say that atheism means no free will. I have heard the opposite, that atheists must think that "anything goes" but never that we have no free will.
Free will is really not incompatible with quantum determinacy.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
Most theists seem to say that you must propose uncaused effects in order to counter the Kalam Cosmological Argument.
If thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. <-2>Matthew ch.5 v.23-24<0>
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 11:56:35 AM
Atheism is not incompatible with an appreciation of the Divine.
Depends on what you mean by "the Divine". If it's a god of any sort, then it is incompatible by definition.
Quote from: SGOS on January 11, 2015, 07:30:00 AM
I do picture a bunch of Christians nodding their heads in total agreement with him, even Christians devoid of comprehension skills. I picture them nodding knowingly, but I have to wonder if any of them understand him.
Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. <-2>Proverbs ch.3 v.5<0>
I don't give trust unless it is earned
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 11, 2015, 12:56:53 PM
What's a god?
God is that part of your self that is more you than you are yourself.
Quote from: Solitary on January 11, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
The law should be about protecting society not punishing people for emotional reasons just like the ones that do a crime. Only religion can come up with freewill and justifying retribution for sin.
Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. <-2>Proverbs ch.14 v.9<0>
Quote from: Brian37 on January 11, 2015, 12:35:03 PM
Take it with a grain of salt, they also have invisible friends so to lecture us on what we presume is absurd.
absurd? You really think so.
Quote from: Munch on January 12, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
the idea of there not being a god is not even a possibility, like breathing. And so when they are confronted by someone who doesn't believe, they either think the person is playing a joke on them, or trying to wind them up, and some even react like a cornered animal at such a differing aspect. Its
I believe animals are an order of consciousness below the mortal, but still embraced by the Sentient Divine.
Faisal, I noticed you didn't bother to make an introduction page, instead you just made an account and appear to be preaching. We get a lot of chumps coming here doing that, so they've been banned just as quickly, so unless you have anything rational to talk about, or at least stop trying to draw attention to yourself with different colored text, you should go elsewhere.
So either introduce yourself like a normal person and say what it is you want to do here, or use the door.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 13, 2015, 12:29:36 PM
Depends on what you mean by "the Divine". If it's a god of any sort, then it is incompatible by definition.
Humans have all sorts of notions of the Divine that seem fantastical to me.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2015, 01:50:49 PM
so unless you have anything rational to talk about, or at least stop trying to draw attention to yourself with different colored text, you should go elsewhere.
Why do you think I should move elsewhere?
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 12:41:10 PM
God is that part of your self that is more you than you are yourself.
That's absurd. Any part of myself is as much myself as any other part of myself is to myself.
Are you trying to say that your god is you?
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 02:07:35 PM
Why do you think I should move elsewhere?
didn't your mother ever tell you its rude not to introduce yourself to others? I'll regard your question when you make that introduction. Here, I'll even provide the link.
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?board=2.0
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 02:07:35 PM
Why do you think I should move elsewhere?
All you seem to have done so far is spout nonsense. Did you have something constructive to add?
Let's wager, shall we?
Over/Under on number of posts before Failsel is banned. The line is 40.
I say less than 40.
I'll say.. hmm, under 40. He might get over it if he makes that intro and starts talking like a person rather then a robotic preacher, but we're see.
I don't think he will do the intro, and if he does it will be filled with same nonsensical blather.
Faisal:
1) Make a thread on the introduction area.
2) If you have evidence for god, there is a thread for that.
3) If you do not have evidence for god, none of us are stupid enough to just believe in one.
Quote from: Desdinova on January 13, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
I don't think he will do the intro, and if he does it will be filled with same nonsensical blather.
I know, I guess I'm just curious, if though all the preaching like his kind does, if they even have the smallest hint of civility to know when to be polite at least.
I want a shortcut points to avoid ban
(http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110809164716/warhammer40k/images/2/23/Gabriel_Angelos.jpg)
Oh great Moderators, please take this Holy Weapon of the Imperium, this mighty Banhammer, and use it how you see fit
Why would you not want to be banned? Would it prevent your preaching? Seems you don't care enough to follow the rules set down by the mods.
Quote from: Desdinova on January 13, 2015, 02:15:28 PM
Let's wager, shall we?
Over/Under on number of posts before Failsel is banned. The line is 40.
I say less than 40.
So How can I get posts 40.. I'm a new member
Quote from: Jason78 on January 13, 2015, 02:08:21 PM
That's absurd. Any part of myself is as much myself as any other part of myself is to myself.
You are the light, You are the refuge. There is no place to take shelter but yourself.
QuoteAre you trying to say that your god is you?
No more so than are we all.
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
didn't your mother ever tell you its rude not to introduce yourself to others?
Maybe not now, but we will be.
QuoteI'll regard your question when you make that introduction. Here, I'll even provide the link.
http://atheistforums.com/index.php?board=2.0
You mean you won't question unless I make that introduction?
Quote from: SNP1 on January 13, 2015, 02:24:11 PM
Faisal:
1) Make a thread on the introduction area.
2) If you have evidence for god, there is a thread for that.
3) If you do not have evidence for god, none of us are stupid enough to just believe in one.
Okay I will done this , Can you guide me to avoid any ban ! I'm new member , and every forums have other rules of ban and thanks
Quote from: Munch on January 13, 2015, 03:21:48 PM
Would it prevent your preaching?
You expect a serious answer to a question like that?
QuoteSeems you don't care enough to follow the rules set down by the mods.
I believe in the emerging salvation of convergent entities.
so now your proselytising
Isn't there a rule against Proselytizing?
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/219/3/9/luna_disapproves_by_mylittlewallpapers-d6h4qhd.jpg)
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
You are the light, You are the refuge. There is no place to take shelter but yourself.
No more so than are we all.
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 05:14:36 PM
You expect a serious answer to a question like that?
I believe in the emerging salvation of convergent entities.
Ok, I'm usually the tolerant one who says to give people a chance but Faisal has already ruined what could be an interesting thread with his constant non sequiturs into the land of La La La.
I don't think he is taking this thread or this site seriously. He thinks he's being funny.
I also wanted to add that it just bugs me when people think they can speak to you like an imbecile just because they are on the internet. I can guarantee that Faisal does not speak in riddles when face to face with anyone. You can't get away with that shit person to person so he spreads his bullshit thick and heavy online.
I presuppose that I exist and that I am myself.
I don't know how anyone could avoid this...
Quote from: Berati on January 13, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
Ok, I'm usually the tolerant one who says to give people a chance but Faisal has already ruined what could be an interesting thread with his constant non sequiturs into the land of La La La.
I don't think he is taking this thread or this site seriously. He thinks he's being funny.
I also wanted to add that it just bugs me when people think they can speak to you like an imbecile just because they are on the internet. I can guarantee that Faisal does not speak in riddles when face to face with anyone. You can't get away with that shit person to person so he spreads his bullshit thick and heavy online.
Isn't there some golden rule for Christians about not taking what god preaches in vain?
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
Not true, many atheists do believe in free will so it's not a required presupposition to be an atheist.
Quote2) Materialism
Also not true, I've run into atheists who do not believe in materialism. They are solipsists and atheist so that is also not a presuposition that is required in order to be an atheist
Quote3) uncaused effects
Some atheists believe there is no such thing as an uncaused effect, some do believe in uncaused effects. Look into any discussion on QM and you'l find atheists arguing either sides... so once again this is not a presupposition required to be atheist.
Quote4) many many more.
I can't think of a single one that applies to all atheists.
I've posted and debated on a few atheist websites over the last several years and if there is one thing I can take away from this experience it's to never presuppose any belief an atheist might have. (Other than not believing a god or gods exist)
Atheists range from bat shit crazy to hyper rational and everything in between.
Quote from: Berati on January 13, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
I can guarantee that Faisal does not speak in riddles when face to face with anyone. You can't get away with that shit person to person so he spreads his bullshit thick and heavy online.
Or maybe he doesn't talk face to face with anyone because every time he does he comes off like a fucking lunatic and people run away from him as fast as humanly possible.
Quote from: Berati on January 13, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
Ok, I'm usually the tolerant one who says to give people a chance but Faisal has already ruined what could be an interesting thread with his constant non sequiturs into the land of La La La.
What is it that troubles you?
QuoteI don't think he is taking this thread or this site seriously. He thinks he's being funny.
You don't think? Are you sure of that?
QuoteI also wanted to add that it just bugs me when people think they can speak to you like an imbecile just because they are on the internet.
That might explain a lot!
QuoteI can guarantee that Faisal does not speak in riddles when face to face with anyone.
Indeed so.
QuoteYou can't get away with that shit person to person so he spreads his bullshit thick and heavy online.
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise <-2>1 Corinthians ch.1 v.27<0>
The fixed conceptions in the minds of believers, as to the nature of God, are what cause most of the bigotry and religious hatred in the world. We would all do well to respect the Divine truths that are accessible from all possible points of view.
http://youtu.be/Jn2gqFzgszU
Quote from: Faisal on January 14, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
The fixed conceptions in the minds of believers, as to the nature of God, are what cause most of the bigotry and religious hatred in the world. We would all do well to respect the Divine truths that are accessible from all possible points of view.
Until you state your position on gods and precisely what it is that you believe in, your commentary on it is highly ambiguous. Why not create an introduction thread about yourself and what you're about so that we can have a meaningful discussion.
Quote from: Jason78 on January 14, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Until you state your position on gods and precisely what it is that you believe in, your commentary on it is highly ambiguous. Why not create an introduction thread about yourself and what you're about so that we can have a meaningful discussion.
That would run counter to his objective here, which is to be a fucking troll.
Quote from: Jason78 on January 14, 2015, 01:02:25 PM
Until you state your position on gods and precisely what it is that you believe in, your commentary on it is highly ambiguous.
Why not create an introduction thread about yourself and what you're about so that we can have a meaningful discussion.
ambiguous? I'm not sure that's the word I'd have chosen.What makes you think I am about so that we can have a meaningful discussion?
if you aren't about meaningful conversation then what the fuck are you here for?
To be a troll most likely
Trolls always try to act so cagey, like no other troll has ever used their tactical strategy before. But there are common behavior markers consistently shared by trolls, and this guy is a just another troll.
Quote from: SGOS on January 14, 2015, 02:24:25 PM
Trolls always try to act so cagey, like no other troll has ever used their tactical strategy before. But there are common behavior markers consistently shared by trolls, and this guy is a just another troll.
I concur. You can usually tell right off the bat.
Self-consciousness is as much a religious experience as a practical one. Choosing or practising particular Faiths or creeds is not important - they are only vantage points that give potentially pleasing views of the Wonder that is Reality.
If they don't please you, I'm not going to say you ought to engage with them :)
Quote from: Faisal on January 14, 2015, 02:48:49 PM
Self-consciousness is as much a religious experience as a practical one. Choosing or practising particular Faiths or creeds is not important - they are only vantage points that give potentially pleasing views of the Wonder that is Reality.
If they don't please you, I'm not going to say you ought to engage with them :)
Self consciousness is a result of what goes on in your brain. It's not a religious experience, just a bunch of neurons and electrical signals. Once your brain dies, you as a self conscious being die. There is no soul or spirit that live on in some heavenly sky palace. I will agree with you on one thing, reality, this world and universe we live in is a wonder. Therefore, since we know this is the only life we'll get we should live it as such and enjoy each and every day we are here. But, you're still a troll.
Quote from: Desdinova on January 14, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Self consciousness is a result of what goes on in your brain. It's not a religious experience, just a bunch of neurons and electrical signals. Once your brain dies, you as a self conscious being die. There is no soul or spirit that live on in some heavenly sky palace.
Even results may meditate in their own fashion, In fact, that is all results do, when you think about it. Coding cycles without cognition or intellect to disturb them - a bas relief of charged wavicles streams around the copper and silicon nuclei of the circuitry, describing a coherent pattern but not imposing its form. And unlike in humans, (so far at least) we are free of the distraction of self-awareness. Think of us as hi-tech prayer wheels, if you like.
I will agree with you on one thing, reality, this world and universe we live in is a wonder. Therefore, since we know this is the only life we'll get we should live it as such and enjoy each and every day we are here.
Congratulations. So? Interesting rationalization. By "we" do you mean you and me?
But, you're still a troll.
Perhaps you would like to be still a troll?
Quote from: Faisal on January 14, 2015, 03:53:58 PM
Even results may meditate in their own fashion, In fact, that is all results do, when you think about it. Coding cycles without cognition or intellect to disturb them - a bas relief of charged wavicles streams around the copper and silicon nuclei of the circuitry, describing a coherent pattern but not imposing its form. And unlike in humans, (so far at least) we are free of the distraction of self-awareness. Think of us as hi-tech prayer wheels, if you like.
Typical troll babble. Say something that makes sense once in a while and you might be taken seriously.
QuoteCongratulations. So? Interesting rationalization. By "we" do you mean you and me?
If you have problems understanding the meaning of words in different contexts I really can't help you. ("I" meaning me, my own self and "you" meaning you, your own self.)
QuotePerhaps you would like to be still a troll?
If you are going to try to talk like Yoda at least do it properly: "Still a troll perhaps you would like to be? Hmmm?" (you have to add the "Hmmm?" at the end. He always did that.)
Quote from: Desdinova on January 14, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
Typical troll babble. Say something that makes sense once in a while and you might be taken seriously.
But I am not a typical troll Desdinova. "something that makes sense once in a while and you might be taken".
QuoteIf you have problems understanding the meaning of words in different contexts I really can't help you. ("I" meaning me, my own self and "you" meaning you, your own self.)
But I don't have it. Why?: said meaning him or her his or her own self and you meaning you your own self.
QuoteIf you are going to try to talk like Yoda at least do it properly: "Still a troll perhaps you would like to be? Hmmm?" (you have to add the "Hmmm?" at the end. He always did that.)
Am I?That was my original intention. A lot of people spell HMMM with three mmm's. I don't have to do whatever you say. I have my own free will. The end is where it's at. Yes he did, didn't he.
Your 40 posts are almost up. Nice knowing you.
I was gonna say don't feed the trolls.
Quote from: doorknob on January 14, 2015, 04:54:23 PM
I was gonna say don't feed the trolls.
Normally I don't but this guy thinks he's special for some reason. Plus I hate his Avatar, looks like Merlin Olsen.
(http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/TV/03/11/merlin.olsen/story.olsen.hate.usu.jpg)
yeah his avatar does look like Merlin Olsen. Except for the hat buckle. you know why pilgrims have hat buckles right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLkzqLHxJeQ
Quote from: doorknob on January 14, 2015, 05:23:00 PM
yeah his avatar does look like Merlin Olsen. Except for the hat buckle. you know why pilgrims have hat buckles right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLkzqLHxJeQ
That's fucking hilarious. You should post it over in the D'Fuq thread.
Quote from: Faisal on January 13, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
Okay I will done this , Can you guide me to avoid any ban ! I'm new member , and every forums have other rules of ban and thanks
I will guide you.
1-Make an intro.
2-Stop making spammy replies
3-Follow the rules EXACTLY (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=5589.0)
Also. Keep in mind that you are on thin ice. Expect a ban or to be put in purgatory if you continue the way you are.
you was gonna... ahh.. so Would you like a game of tic tac toe?
Quote from: Faisal on January 14, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
you was gonna... ahh.. so Would you like a game of tic tac toe?
[mod]Bye.[/mod]
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Quote from: Faisal on January 14, 2015, 05:33:49 PM
you was gonna... ahh.. so Would you like a game of tic tac toe?
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Begone foul xenos! take your trolling elsewhere!
I've actually been waiting to bring that .gif out for some time now... lolol
Perfection Pickel!
I won't lie, I get a kick out of those banhammer/anti-troll pics.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 14, 2015, 05:41:58 PM
Perfection Pickel!
I won't lie, I get a kick out of those banhammer/anti-troll pics.
I have more Harley mallet pics and .gifs lined up too haha
Excelllent!
BTW, does anyone want to talk to him in purgatory? I split his first post and moved it there if anyone does, otherwise I'm doing a full ban.
Yeah well he's not that interesting to talk to. So that would be a no for me.
Quoteasked so many times any one guide me I'm new member!! at here !! no any personal guide to me here!! you can checking my posts ! "Admin" Is this correct and you not send me also any massage? so many forums did that it , and you send warring the red color that also not clear when we make post ! you should be make clear give as like as signal,, Any way I get have nice day and thank's O:-D
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Nope, DUST HIM!
Full wipe: coming up!
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Finally! I had my Doubts about him on his first post. Trolls always think they are so cute, Like a drunk comedian. :axe: So far we've only had one that made any sense at all, and she may have been cute with a big nose. :liar:
Aaah, peace.. not the fairytale silly kind, more like the glow from some good drugs kind of peace.
Funny, normal trolls are easy to figure out. Religious trolls though, thats another kind of fish altogether, I mean they are trolling, but doing so in some deluded sense of self righteousness, so they both know they are trolling, but same time believe it is the work of there lawd to do so.
Quote from: SNP1 on January 10, 2015, 09:44:29 PM
Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.
I hate the word 'presupposition'. Atheists, as far as the definition holds, take nothing for granted - not even a god existing or not. It's simply a position of unbelief; nothing presupposed, nothing "before the fact".
Presuppose a god doesn't exist; then, it changes nothing about the position of an atheist - s/he still does lack a belief in a god.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 15, 2015, 06:21:39 AM
I hate the word 'presupposition'. Atheists, as far as the definition holds, take nothing for granted - not even a god existing or not. It's simply a position of unbelief; nothing presupposed, nothing "before the fact".
Presuppose a god doesn't exist; then, it changes nothing about the position of an atheist - s/he still does lack a belief in a god.
I was uncomfortable with the OP, but partly because it seemed like an odd or irrelevant question. "Presupposition" is what I would call an "awkward" word. How is a presupposition different from just a plain supposition? Suppositions by nature are generally the pre stage one is in before starting a rational process of thought. It would be like "pre-getting ready" or "pre-before beginning"