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Title: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 13, 2014, 02:00:48 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12/kirk-cameron-christmas_n_6149592.html?cps=gravity

QuoteKirk Cameron wants people to know that many have Christmas all wrong. It's not a Christian holiday with pagan origins, but a Christian creation through and through.

In his new film, "Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas," the former "Growing Pains" star and popular evangelical figure told the Christian Post he's taking aim at all the people "who really want to put a big wet blanket on the celebration."

"It starts this time of year. You have people who want to pull down nativity scenes, you have lawsuits showing up in schools that can't have Christmas performances ... it has to be winter break or holiday break or sparkle season ... they want to take that out of Christmas so they don't offend people who hate Christmas. And then we have a new group who are telling us, convincingly, that Christmas is actually a celebration of paganism."
The Bible doesn't specify the date of Jesus' birth. Some scholars believe it was in the spring, while others have used the clues in the Bible to estimate an autumn birth. However, many modern Christmas traditions, including the Dec. 25 date and a celebration based around a tree, began as pagan celebrations of winter, such as Yule and Saturnalia.

Even the Christian Post notes on a separate page that Pope Gregory I once wrote to his missionary in England not to block traditional pagan festivals, instructing him instead to "adapt them to the rites of the Church, only changing the reason of them from a heathen to a Christian impulse."

Cameron believes they all have it wrong, and his film attempts to derail arguments that some Christmas traditions have pagan roots.

"We don't know this stuff, we kinda drink the Kool-Aid and believe pagans when they tell us they have ownership of these things," Cameron was quoted as saying.

Read the full interview at The Christian Post.

Over the summer, Cameron told The Blaze that atheists wouldn't be too happy with his new film.

“I assume they’re going to get frustrated to see some of their best arguments deflated by this movie, because we take on some of the most commonly parroted myths about the origins of Christmas,” he was quoted as saying.

"Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas" opens on Friday.

If we could turn stupid into fuel, Kirk Cameron could power the world for the next 1,000 years.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: aitm on November 13, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
And it is very important for the world to know that HE is saving it. No ego there eh?
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 13, 2014, 03:28:52 PM
Quote from: aitm on November 13, 2014, 03:14:45 PM
And it is very important for the world to know that HE is saving it. No ego there eh?

Now if we can just convince him to crucify himself to save Easter.....
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Munch on November 13, 2014, 04:38:56 PM
When stupid comes from unknown people its fine, because they are nobodies who haven't ever starred in popular media and whos names are known.

When its a celebrity, having that level of stupid is dangerous, since it can spread like a virus making other people stupid.

how many Christians do you think read what he said, and now think its obviously correct? I mean as people who believe in what they do its not much of a stretch.

Someone needs to educate Kirk about Saturnalia, and where the real origins of Christmas came from.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Drummer Guy on November 13, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
I don't find it sad that Kirk is so over the top delusional.  I find it sad that thousands of people are gonna eat this up and assume he's right.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Jason78 on November 13, 2014, 06:32:37 PM
They're cancelling xmas?  Those bastards!
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Solitary on November 13, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
 :wtff: I knew he was an idiot, but now he is encephalitic. Did he ever actually read a history book about the pagans, they were around thousands of years before Christians.  :wall:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 13, 2014, 06:51:33 PM
Wait- it's brilliant! Kirk Cameron is using the media to get free publicity for his movie! By making lame comments!
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Munch on November 13, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
Quote from: Solitary on November 13, 2014, 06:39:15 PM
:wtff: I knew he was an idiot, but now he is encephalitic. Did he ever actually read a history book about the pagans, they were around thousands of years before Christians.  :wall:

Think of it this way, he goes under the evangelical handle, so he probably believes everything christianity tells him, even that the world is only a few thousand years old and Christianity is the only true religion, all others are just stories made up by people to mock christianity.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: kilodelta on November 13, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Too late Kirk. I have officially cancelled Christmas and instituted a law that makes it illegal to call it anything but Xmas. The "x" is for extreme and no longer a mass. There is no way he can bring it back... just like when god sends people to hell. Mwahahahahhahahaha!
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 13, 2014, 11:47:19 PM
Somebody seriously needs to bitch slap Cameron-just to get his attention- and point out that Winter Solstice celebrations have been going on since the Babylonians, and probably before that.  I'm beginning to wonder if this twit can dress himself.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Solitary on November 13, 2014, 11:51:56 PM
 :smile2: :lol: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 14, 2014, 12:45:07 AM
Why do people always think we're out to destroy Christmas? I celebrate Christmas like, too. They'd have a point to say that we commercialized the holiday and took Jesus away from the spot light, but they are the ones who did that.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 14, 2014, 02:01:13 AM
Bill O'Reilly has to have something to bitch about.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 14, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
Quote from: stromboli on November 13, 2014, 03:28:52 PM
Now if we can just convince him to crucify himself to save Easter.....
Nailed it!
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 14, 2014, 10:10:42 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 14, 2014, 05:52:40 AM
Nailed it!

Wtf are you doing up at 4AM?  :eek:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Solitary on November 15, 2014, 03:59:43 PM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-kirk-cameron-saving-christmas-movie-review-20141114-story.html


Quote
Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas' review: Maybe there should be a war on trite Christmas movies
lthough the film's title and posters of its star heroically brandishing a giant candy cane might suggest a holiday romp summoning the ghost of "Growing Pains" past, "Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas" has other random ideas.

An unholy mess co-produced by Cameron's faith-based Camfam Studios, the movie begins with a fireside chat in which the genial star shares his love of everything Christmas while addressing the naysayers who insist Dec. 25 has lost its meaning.

One of the disillusioned is Kirk's dour brother-in-law, Christian (played by the director, Darren Doane), so Cameron spends most of the film in his car, schooling him in the "real" biblical connection to Christmas trees, Santa and more, aided by some dramatic re-creations.

Sermon concluded, Cameron steps down from his front-seat pulpit and the two rejoin the family Christmas bash, just in time to join in a hip-hop performance of "Angels Have We Heard on High."


Virtually everything about this production feels thrown together. Even with that extended musical interlude (performed by the God Squad Dance Crew) and an end-credits blooper reel, the package barely cracks the 80-minute mark.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Munch on November 15, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kirk_camerons_saving_christmas/

The biggest fear I have in cases like this, is the thought of Christians producing an actual GOOD theistic based movie, one that makes the general populous support it and take their side in there delusion.

Fortunately, most people see these kind of movies as what they are, desperate pushes by desperate theists who can't get people on their side with fear and control, so have to resort to showing the world how they can't act, write or produce anything other then bad memories of wasted digital celluloid.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Deidre32 on November 16, 2014, 01:26:18 AM
Is Kirk Cameron like the Pope of Fundies? Ugh. Someone ''defrock'' him, already.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Munch on November 16, 2014, 05:17:15 AM
I love one of the first reviews on imdb:

Quote1/10
"One gets the impression that Kirk Cameron actually started reading his own Bible, was disturbed by what he found (such as Jesus' instruction to "go sell your possessions and give to the poor"), and produced this film as a desperate justification for his own hypocrisy.

At my theater, nobody laughed, and nobody stayed for the end credits. This purported comedy film fails at every level. If you're really looking for a laugh, go back and take a look at what Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort have to say about the glorious design of the banana."

Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 16, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
Quote from: Deidre32 on November 16, 2014, 01:26:18 AM
Is Kirk Cameron like the Pope of Fundies? Ugh. Someone ''defrock'' him, already.


No, he's just a halfwit former TV actor who can't get a role in a real movie or TV show out to make a buck off xtianity.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Solitary on November 16, 2014, 12:46:24 PM
So true! Kirk Cameron tells women their place is in the kitchen this holiday season as he urges them to cook, clean, decorate and sing to have the best Christmas ever

    Kirk Cameron recorded a message explaining how women could have the most possible joy this holiday season
    Cameron recommends they  cook for the family, decorate the house and sing, among other things
    He also recorded a video for men, saying they should go 'all in' over the holidays, while also doing the dishes and giving foot rubs
    He also urged both men and women to see his new film, Kirk Cameron's Surviving Christmas, which is in theaters now
    Reviews of the film call it an 'unholy mess' and 'one of the least artful holiday films ever made'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2834794/Kirk-Cameron-tells-women-place-kitchen-holiday-season-urges-cook-clean-decorate-sing-best-Christmas-ever.html#ixzz3JFn7P9kl
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

So be sure you don't miss his new God awful film!  He's a media whore now.  :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 16, 2014, 02:44:19 PM
Got 10% on the Tomatometer
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/kirk_camerons_saving_christmas/?search=kirk%20cameron

Lol, "Dumb and Dumber To" got 27%.

Comments:

QuoteThis may be one of the least artful holiday films ever made. Even devout born-again Christians will find this hard to stomach.
QuoteHow do you prove a horse is an animal? Because I like Sweden. That's the style of absurd logic that happens in "Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas" ...
QuoteCameron's preferred tool of engagement is a prybar, applied to your eyelids with an indelicate hand.

"Stupid is what stupid does"-Forrest Gump  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: kilodelta on November 16, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
Always Woodstock (13%) beat Kirk's movie.

"But when Catherine is unceremoniously fired, and then comes home to find her long time fiance (Jason Ritter) in the arms of another woman, she decides that it's time for a change. Selling off her engagement ring, Catherine moves back  to her family home in Woodstock, to get back to what she has always wanted to do: write music.  One night at a local bar, Catherine stumbles into handsome town doctor Noah (James Wolk), and cannot deny the moment of magic between them."

Yes! It's about time someone did a movie about a woman scorned who then write's music and finds a better guy to fix her life.

Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on November 18, 2014, 04:34:08 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 18, 2014, 08:03:56 PM
Quote from: stromboli on November 14, 2014, 10:10:42 AM
Wtf are you doing up at 4AM?  :eek:
When should I be up? If I get up at 4 I can kiss my wife goodnight before she goes to bed.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 18, 2014, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: kilodelta on November 16, 2014, 05:26:25 PM
Always Woodstock (13%) beat Kirk's movie.

"But when Catherine is unceremoniously fired, and then comes home to find her long time fiance (Jason Ritter) in the arms of another woman, she decides that it's time for a change. Selling off her engagement ring, Catherine moves back  to her family home in Woodstock, to get back to what she has always wanted to do: write music.  One night at a local bar, Catherine stumbles into handsome town doctor Noah (James Wolk), and cannot deny the moment of magic between them."

Yes! It's about time someone did a movie about a woman scorned who then write's music and finds a better guy to fix her life.


Taylor Swift's done it 19 times.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 18, 2014, 08:09:52 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 18, 2014, 08:03:56 PM
When should I be up? If I get up at 4 I can kiss my wife goodnight before she goes to bed.

My apologies. I should know better, because my wife is/was a nurse who worked graveyard.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 24, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leCWArBLghA&feature=youtu.be

Christine Lakin is Hawt.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: kilodelta on November 24, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
It's about time CCOKC came out to give Kirk the business.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Hydra009 on November 24, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/mXcHzyp.png)

There's desperate for good reviews, then there's Kirk Cameron desperate.  Slimy bugger.

As of posting, the Rotten Tomatoes score is a whopping 8% with a 37% positive audience review.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: kilodelta on November 24, 2014, 08:27:37 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!

That's just awesome.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 24, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
If there isn't a Kirk Cameron/Chuck Norris movie in the works, there darn well should be.  :naughty:
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Munch on November 25, 2014, 06:18:25 AM
Quote from: stromboli on November 24, 2014, 09:46:22 PM
If there isn't a Kirk Cameron/Chuck Norris movie in the works, there darn well should be.  :naughty:

Someone needs to make a parody of them both, in a gay relationship.

It might not help gay rights in anyway, but it may at least make all the fucking idiots who think chuck norris is awesome because of meme's look at him in another way.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on November 25, 2014, 07:18:53 AM
Quote from: stromboli on November 18, 2014, 08:09:52 PM
My apologies. I should know better, because my wife is/was a nurse who worked graveyard.
I was up tonight to make sure she got home okay.
Title: Re: Kirk Cameron: Pagans Stole Christmas From Christians
Post by: stromboli on November 26, 2014, 10:15:35 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/N2Mhpn9.jpg)