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Title: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: Mike Cl on October 17, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
A snippet from Carrier's new book--"on the Historicity of Jesus; Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt.
"The name 'Jesus Christ' literally means 'Savior Messiah', which actually just means 'Annointed Savior'.  The author of the Gospel of Matthew was well aware of this, and even made a point of it.  Jesus is an English derivation from the Greek spelling of the Hebrew name Joshua (Yeshua), which means 'Yahweh saves'. Christ is from the Greek christos, meaning 'annointed', which in Hebrew is masiah, 'messiah'.
     That should make us suspicious from the start.  Isn't his name abnormally convenient?"

Yeah, I would think so.  But the fundies would most likely simply say that that was the way god planned it.  Logic is not the long suit of the religious.
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: the_antithesis on October 17, 2014, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 17, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
"... Isn't his name abnormally convenient?"

Particularly since he shall be called Immanuel.

No one ever fucking calls him that.
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: stromboli on October 17, 2014, 10:45:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 17, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
A snippet from Carrier's new book--"on the Historicity of Jesus; Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt.
"The name 'Jesus Christ' literally means 'Savior Messiah', which actually just means 'Annointed Savior'.  The author of the Gospel of Matthew was well aware of this, and even made a point of it.  Jesus is an English derivation from the Greek spelling of the Hebrew name Joshua (Yeshua), which means 'Yahweh saves'. Christ is from the Greek christos, meaning 'annointed', which in Hebrew is masiah, 'messiah'.
     That should make us suspicious from the start.  Isn't his name abnormally convenient?"

Yeah, I would think so.  But the fundies would most likely simply say that that was the way god planned it.  Logic is not the long suit of the religious.

Which reminds me of something......... while being a member of a A of G church, I got to hear a lot of speaking in tongues. Not being a tongue speaker myself, and actually listening to the babble being said, I noticed that words like "Mashiah" and "Christos" were inserted along with other Hebrew sounding words, and a lot of plain gobbledegook. I have a degree in English Lit and studied language, so I know that a lot of it was just crap, not words or anything but BS noises. Daresay it caused me to get suspicious about the whole thing.......
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 17, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
I met Jesus last night. Fun guy.
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: Green Bottle on October 18, 2014, 04:53:48 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on October 17, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
I met Jesus last night. Fun guy.
Ahhhh, but what one was it?

was it jesus h christ or was it jesus fucking christ?
so easy to get them mixed up ye know..... :axe:
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: Minimalist on October 19, 2014, 02:26:37 PM
I asked Jesus to stop by but he was working.


(http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/11.12.98/gifs/leafblowers1-9845.jpg)
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: Solitary on October 20, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
I anointed a virgin  :angel: when in high school, and she said, "Oh my God!"---while I planted my seed in her. Thank God she didn't have an immaculate birth.  :pray: :eek:  :rolleyes: 
Title: Re: Jesus by any other name.
Post by: Desdinova on October 20, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: Solitary on October 20, 2014, 12:03:45 PM
I anointed a virgin  :angel: when in high school, and she said, "Oh my God!"---while I planted my seed in her. Thank God she didn't have an immaculate birth.  :pray: :eek:  :rolleyes:

I did the same except mine said "Ewww! You're sweaty!"  and "Ouch!  You're on my hair!".   :sad2: