If so then provide scientific, psychological, historical, or any type of evidence?
Here you go. (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=burden+of+proof&gbv=2&oq=burden+of+proof&gs_l=heirloom-hp.3...530.2683.0.2808.15.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-hp..15.0.0.MbY62UE-MuQ)
Can you prove Eric, the invisible, undetectable, god-eating penguin doesn't exist?
Ha! You funny! You got your ass handed to you in your other thread and now you think we should provide you with what you can't already prove? You think funny.
I saw this. Then I saw this (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=4486.0;topicseen).
Then I lol'd
No. Your point?
Here is a list of things that I'll let you prove to us that doesn't exsist. We will use your method to prove your god doesn't exist.
Zeus
Horus
Dionysus
Icarus
Mermaids
Fairies
Pegasuses
Santa Clause
Can you prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist ?
Quote from: leo on April 23, 2014, 02:20:36 PM
Can you prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist ?
Have you ever taken a crap and when you got up of the toilet, nothing was there? Ghost poop, it's weird and an actual occurrence.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 23, 2014, 02:25:17 PM
Have you ever taken a crap and when you got up of the toilet, nothing was there? Ghost poop, it's weird and an actual occurrence.
I hate when that happens. I thought the biggest turd ever was going out and then nothing nada.
Burden of proof, blah blah blah, you're a fucking moron. Your dialog here has proven that it's utterly useless to talk to you. You are willfully ignorant, and any attempt to entertain your idiotic ramblings is futile. Fuck off.
Quote from: leo on April 23, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
I hate when that happens. I thought the biggest turd ever was going out and then nothing nada.
Maybe its so massive that it bends the light around it, rendering it invisible. Or maybe something related to that. I'm not familiar with the physics. We'll have to call some scientists to do some tests. Some scientests.
Can somebody explain to me what psychological proof is? I think and feel that there are no gods, therefore this is admissable as proof for the non-existence of deities?
You can't disprove god because there is no evidence with which to disprove him. As I have said on here like 4 times this last week, god is supernatural- beyond the natural world and not understandable in any natural sense. And there is also the argument of non existence based on evidence, or lack of it.
If you go fishing at a pond and catch no fish and get no bites
If you row around in a boat and see no fish
If you swim around underwater and see no fish
you can conclude no fish are there. In other words, every test or observation you make comes back with no result, you can by inference assume that there is no result to be found. If we cannot see god, there is no evidence of his presence and no proof by way of miracles, healing or any other form of demonstrable evidence, the rational conclusion is that he doesn't exist.
I need proof that Walker_Lee doesn't exist.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 23, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
I need proof that Walker_Lee doesn't exist.
"I think, therefore I am."
Walker_Lee doesn't think, therefore he is not.
"Intellgence is futile" - Walker_Lee
He said that when he was referring to his own intelligence. And he can't prove that he didn't.
You can bring out all your facts
do it again and again
but there ain't much you can do
to an armor plated brain
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Please educate yourself properly for your own sake.
Quote from: StupidWiz on April 23, 2014, 07:27:08 PM
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
Please educate yourself properly for your own sake.
Ah, playing the "burden of proof" card. You devil.
No, and I can't prove that leprechauns don't exist, either. There might be fairies in the woods for all I know, but as I have never seen them, I have to conclude they don't exist.
Walker_Lee once raped and killed a child. What's more is that he can't prove that he didn't because I didn't include a timeline, so he has no alibi! Since he can't prove that he didn't rape and kill a child, logic follows that he raped and killed a child.
Apparently Walker_Lee doesn't exist. Does running the fuck away count as non-existence?
WL, I don't know why you thought you could come in here and wow us, but it does prove that stupid exists.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on April 23, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Walker_Lee once raped and killed a child. What's more is that he can't prove that he didn't because I didn't include a timeline, so he has no alibi! Since he can't prove that he didn't rape and kill a child, logic follows that he raped and killed a child.
You've introduced logic to this thread. Stop it. :naughty:
All gods got killed by God killer. Therefore there is NO GOD. God killer killed him.
So, I guess Walker Lee is another one of those cowardly Christians who posts stuff and then runs away like a scared puppy because he can't hold his own in a debate. Or maybe he thinks that, just by posting something, we will be won over by its brilliance because JESUS! Either way, he is an annoying jerk.
I'm not aware of a single person here who believes there are no gods. This is an atheist forum, not an anti-theist forum. Of course, anti-theists are atheists by definition, but they are rare. You really are clueless, aren't you.
But if you are referring to your god, of course it doesn't exist. In the old semitic religions and early Judaism, seeminly all the way until 500 B.C. the jews were polytheistic, and one of their favorite gods was Asherah, your god's MOTHER. Who he was also SCREWING. He was the son of the creator god El - who he was later written into, so that two different gods became one! And his 69 brothers just kinda disappeared. Of course there are traces in the old testament as many of the Jews' stories obviously included them. Notice the commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"? Who do you think those other gods were? Anyways, as your god is two previously existing and different gods thrown into one, seemingly for convenience as the jews just loved their war god Yahweh ... well ... He doesn't exist. ;)
Of course, we also have the fact that there could never have been an Adam and Eve given evolution, and that there therefor could be no fall, meaning that there was no reason for Jesus to exist, rendering the historic Jesus (if he existed) a fraud, a crazy or someone who's legacy was rewritten to an unrecognizable degree.
There, convinced yet?
(Oh, and the Jews were never kept in Egypt and there was no flood, and ... well ... your bible is bullshit)
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Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 23, 2014, 01:54:04 PM
If so then provide scientific, psychological, historical, or any type of evidence?
God is claimed to be omniscient, to know the future, to have created all, and to be morally good, perfectly good. But id so, because God is omniscient (Christianity, Islam et al) any given starting state of creation God chooses will force hard determinism on all future states of the Universe. We can have no free will, all that happens depends only on God's chosen initial state of creation. If Jane is good and enjoys an eternity of bliss but John is evil and is eternally damned all happens because of the knowing and personal choice of God at the start of his creation. All moral evil is then causes solely and only by God. So God by choice causes all moral evil and is thus morally evil, contradicting claims God is perfectly, morally good. Contradiction, a God with all of these claimed dogmatic attributes is logically impossible. This is called omnigenesis, creation of all to all possible specific details. The standard God of the grand theologies of today does not and cannot exist. It is almost trivial to demonstrate this sort of omni-eveything God is logically self contradictory and impossible.
Cheerful Charlie
Welcome charlie ! You post is spot on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAPszzkMTI
I'm not watching your fucking videos. Type it out like a normal person.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 25, 2014, 12:01:43 AM
I'm not watching your fucking videos. Type it out like a normal person.
Here is exactly what i said.
Romans 1:18-25
18 God shows his anger from heaven. It is against all the godless and evil things people do. They are so evil that they say no to the truth. 19 The truth about God is plain to them. God has made it plain.20 Ever since the world was created it has been possible to see the qualities of God that are not seen. I’m talking about his eternal power and about the fact that he is God. Those things can be seen in what he has made. So people have no excuse for what they do.21 They knew God. But they didn’t honor him as God. They didn’t thank him. Their thinking became worthless. Their foolish hearts became dark. 22 They claimed to be wise. But they made fools of themselves. 23 They would rather have statues of gods than the glorious God who lives forever. Their statues of gods are made to look like people, birds, animals and reptiles.24 So God let them go. He allowed them to do what their sinful hearts wanted to. He let them commit sexual sins. They polluted one another’s bodies by what they did.25 They chose a lie instead of God’s truth. They worshiped and served created things. They didn’t worship the Creator. But he must be praised forever. Amen.
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 12:05:07 AM
Here is exactly what i said.
Romans 1:18-25
18 God shows his anger from heaven. It is against all the godless and evil things people do. They are so evil that they say no to the truth. 19 The truth about God is plain to them. God has made it plain.20 Ever since the world was created it has been possible to see the qualities of God that are not seen. I’m talking about his eternal power and about the fact that he is God. Those things can be seen in what he has made. So people have no excuse for what they do.21 They knew God. But they didn’t honor him as God. They didn’t thank him. Their thinking became worthless. Their foolish hearts became dark. 22 They claimed to be wise. But they made fools of themselves. 23 They would rather have statues of gods than the glorious God who lives forever. Their statues of gods are made to look like people, birds, animals and reptiles.24 So God let them go. He allowed them to do what their sinful hearts wanted to. He let them commit sexual sins. They polluted one another’s bodies by what they did.25 They chose a lie instead of God’s truth. They worshiped and served created things. They didn’t worship the Creator. But he must be praised forever. Amen.
So the kiddies didn't do what daddy wanted, and he murdered them. This God guy's a real class act.
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 12:05:07 AM
God’s truth
God's truth?
Oh you mean as opposed to THE truth.
Gotcha
Don't go quoting scripture to us to try to prove your point. Most of us are nonbelievers BECAUSE we read the bible. Plus trying to prove your point by quoting what you say is the truth. is basically saying
"It's the truth... because it's the truth, see? This is the truth because it says it's the truth. that's how I know its the truth."
Where is your god? I don't see him. Why isn't his existence apparent enough for me to be able to say. "oh well that's some hardcore evidence of god. He HAS to be real"
Is it because of free will? free will is funny. The people that always say all the bad things that happen in the world and group those things with harmless things like lack of belief always say it's because of free will. If it is, why don't you focus your energy on making bad people using their free will for harmful things instead of us using our free will on harmless things and productive things.
Seriously ask yourself. What do you hope to accomplish by being pushy about your beliefs in this forum. Convert us? That's not going to happen. Even some of the token theists are saying you don't know what you're talking about. Put your time and energy towards something useful and helpful to society.
Instead of badgering us with your gospel, focus on the child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc.... the people that are ACTUALLY fucked in the head and harm people.
Do some charity work... some volunteer work... go to the city and buy a homeless person some lunch. I don't fucking care, just take all your energy that you are wasting on us, and use it for something that will actually help someone.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 25, 2014, 01:05:06 AM
God's truth?
Oh you mean as opposed to THE truth.
Gotcha
Don't go quoting scripture to us to try to prove your point. Most of us are nonbelievers BECAUSE we read the bible. Plus trying to prove your point by quoting what you say is the truth. is basically saying
"It's the truth... because it's the truth, see? This is the truth because it says it's the truth. that's how I know its the truth."
Where is your god? I don't see him. Why isn't his existence apparent enough for me to be able to say. "oh well that's some hardcore evidence of god. He HAS to be real"
Is it because of free will? free will is funny. The people that always say all the bad things that happen in the world and group those things with harmless things like lack of belief always say it's because of free will. If it is, why don't you focus your energy on making bad people using their free will for harmful things instead of us using our free will on harmless things and productive things.
Seriously ask yourself. What do you hope to accomplish by being pushy about your beliefs in this forum. Convert us? That's not going to happen. Even some of the token theists are saying you don't know what you're talking about. Put your time and energy towards something useful and helpful to society.
Instead of badgering us with your gospel, focus on the child molesters, rapists, murderers, etc.... the people that are ACTUALLY fucked in the head and harm people.
Do some charity work... some volunteer work... go to the city and buy a homeless person some lunch. I don't fucking care, just take all your energy that you are wasting on us, and use it for something that will actually help someone.
Trust me i volunteer and help feed the hungry. I help the raped and molested. And to your question where is God because you can not see him i will repeat a verse. Romans 1:20 Ever since the world was created it has been possible to see the qualities of God that are not seen. I’m talking about his eternal power and about the fact that he is God. Those things can be seen in what he has made. So people have no excuse for what they do.
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 01:38:20 AM
Trust me i volunteer and help feed the hungry. I help the raped and molested. And to your question where is God because you can not see him i will repeat a verse. Romans 1:20 Ever since the world was created it has been possible to see the qualities of God that are not seen. I’m talking about his eternal power and about the fact that he is God. Those things can be seen in what he has made. So people have no excuse for what they do.
While we're quoting things, how about I quote something that's more relevant.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?†-Epicurus
And good! do more of that. Help more people.
But please do yourself a favor and stop wasting your time here. You're not accomplishing anything other than making the forum members aggravated.
Hey, Walker, why not address the fact that your god is two previously "existing" gods written into one, and that the jews all the time up to around 500 years B.C. (all through the centuries your god supposedly interacted with them) where polytheistic/henotheistic? Demonstrating to a 100% certainty that your god does not exist?
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 24, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAPszzkMTI
Why did you rape and kill that child?
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 24, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
cretinous video of himself babbling nonsense
Listen cretin, you've posted that very same, ridiculous video on three different threads. Besides the obvious fact that the sight of your ugly mug is
per se revolting, are you really so stupid as to not understand that posting verses straight out of that disgusting piece of horror fiction isn't going to convince anybody here?
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4061682/go-fuck-yourself-with-a-cactus-o.gif)
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 24, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfAPszzkMTI
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 24, 2014, 11:55:44 PM
They served crated things? God chose the goblins from heaven? His eternal power? The fact that he has gone?
The statues are gone? He let them commit sexual sins?
If you're going to talk to camera and deliver a speech, then you've got to stop mumbling. You can't go reading your script from a book to camera, it just looks and sounds awful. Memorise your speech, keep the book if you need to quickly reference something or find your place, but memorise the words. Practice those words. Try doing it in front of a mirror. Rehearse and practice until you get it right.
Try taking a deep breath and then speaking to the back of the room. Enunciate and deliver your words clearly and unambiguously. Look directly at the camera when you're speaking to the viewer, you're not shooting a soap opera or a reality tv show.
I'm sure that you're going to subject us to another one of these videos, and when you do, I want to see a marked improvement in your delivery.
QuoteHe let them commit sexual sins?
Fuck. You.
You are a huge part of what's wrong in this world, fuck sexual shaming. You believe the innocent should suffer for eternity, you believe the immoral is divinely moral and you shame people for their biology?
Fuck you again, sir. You are a disgusting individual. In words it doesn't seem so bad, you could just be a troll... but seeing you not hide, seeing you say it with your face in the open... you truly believe what you say. I feel sorry for you, even over my initial rage at how terrible your ideas are, because I know you were brainwashed into believing this bullshit.
I can prove that an omniscient, omnipotent god doesn't exist.
I can prove that an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god doesn't exist.
*MOD*- meh, I think we have suffered enough. Good luck in your future endeavors-aitm
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 23, 2014, 01:54:04 PM
If so then provide scientific, psychological, historical, or any type of evidence?
I can't even prove there are no leprechauns.
Quote from: rex on April 24, 2014, 05:01:09 PM
All gods got killed by God killer. Therefore there is NO GOD. God killer killed him.
Hm. I can't prove that's not true, either. A pattern seems to be emerging.
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 12:05:07 AM
Here is exactly what i said.
Romans 1:18-25
18 God shows his anger from heaven. It is against all the godless and evil things people do. SNIP But he must be praised forever. Amen.
Did you take a bet that you could post something completerly irrelevant to the post with which you started this thread?
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 01:38:20 AM
Trust me i volunteer and help feed the hungry. I help the raped and molested.
That's good.
Quote from: Walker_Lee on April 25, 2014, 01:38:20 AM
And to your question where is God because you can not see him i will repeat a verse. Romans 1:20 Ever since the world was created it has been possible to see the qualities of God that are not seen. I’m talking about his eternal power and about the fact that he is God. Those things can be seen in what he has made. So people have no excuse for what they do.
Would quoting verses from scriptures you don't believe are authoritative work on YOU? If not, why on earth do you think such a tactic would work on anyone ELSE? If that would work on you, we can make you a Muslim or Hindu in no time. Otherwise, it should be obvious that your first order of business would be to establish that the texts you're quoting carry some sort of supernatural authority before tossing them around like anyone but you should consider them to be automatically right.
Quote from: aitm on April 25, 2014, 08:36:35 AM
*MOD*- meh, I think we have suffered enough. Good luck in your future endeavors-aitm
I like "Have a nice life."
If God is not of this world, and can't be seen, how can He be known to exist? Isn't obvious that He doesn't exist and is a fictional character. Also, His attributes can't exist in the world we are in, so logically He doesn't exist accept as a fictional character. For over 2000+ years there is no reliable evidence that Christ has been seen, or any prayers answered accept by coincidence accept to delusional or hallucinating people, and those that are certifiably insane. All the other gods in history are now considered as myths, why should Christ or God be any different when the Sacraments are so incredible? How much proof do you need? All we want is any physical proof, and not just blind faith He does. That shouldn't be hard if He actually exists in the world we live in, and if He doesn't it would be impossible for anyone to know He does indeed exist. The only evidence a God exists is from hypocritical authority that wants to control people's minds and lives to make them feel important, or make money preying on their fellow mankind's credulity and ignorance, telling them they will not actually cease to exist some day by placating a God. Solitary
You ask the question because you can't prove there is a God. When you make the claim that there is a God then the onus is on you to prove it. I can however prove that you haven't enough 'real faith' to believe in a God.
Time for some snake handling.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 26, 2014, 08:42:52 PM
Time for some snake handling.
He he. Snake handling.
That's such a great double entendre and I don't even think it was intentional.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 26, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
He he. Snake handling.
That's such a great double entendre and I don't even think it was intentional.
I don't do subtle.
So..... we banned a guy for being boring and clueless?
We didn't. They did it.
..............Fuck.