http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -area.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523658/Muslim-campaigners-protest-sale-alcohol-popular-East-London-area.html)
QuoteDozens of Muslim protestors gathered to demand that businesses stop selling alcohol in a popular East London area yesterday.
The group, led by former Al-Muhajiroun leader Anjem Choudary, warned restaurants and shops in the Brick Lane area that they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell the product, which is banned under Sharia Law.
Around 60 men and women in burkhas handed over warning letters to Muslim-owned businesses in the area after the protest was initially delayed by a small number of English Defence League members staging a counter-protest.
Controversial cleric Choudary was at the forefront of the protest. The Al-Muhajiroun group he formerly led has been banned under terrorism laws.
Organisers told The Times the protest was held yesterday to coincide with the large number of office workers who would be in the area for Christmas parties.
Choudary told the crowd: 'The shops are run by Muslims and they know they are selling alcohol and they know the sale and consumption of alcohol is completely prohibited.
'We cannot live among the non-Muslims and see this evil take place.'
He told those gathered it was his wish that Sharia law, banning alcohol, should be enforced in Britain.
He also defended three 'fantastic' men who were jailed last week for attacking drinkers while on a 'Muslim patrol'.
He was referring to an incident in which Jordan Horner and another Islamic extremist told a couple they could not hold hands while walking down the street, because it was in a 'Muslim area'.
The radicals also attacked a group of men drinking in the road, and told a woman she would face 'hell fire' because of the way she was dressed.
Horner, 19, Ricardo MacFarlane, 36, and a 23-year-old man who cannot be named for legal reasons were sentenced to 68 weeks, 12 months and 24 weeks in prison respectively.
Groups associated with Choudary were last month labelled the 'single biggest gateway to terrorism in recent British history'.
The radical Islamist has been identified as the link between groups who encourage the safe passage of British and European Muslims into Syria where they join Al Qaeda-linked forces.
According to a study by Hope Not Hate, organisations affiliated with Choudary have encouraged in the region of 80 young British Muslims to join the fighting in Syria.
They may also have had a hand in the recruitment of 300 more on the continent, the report said.
As well as highlighting Choudary role in encouraging young Muslims to fight in Syria, the report also established a connection between the preacher's al-Muhajiroun network and high profile terrorists, including those responsible for the 7/7 London bombings.
The report recommended that Mr Choudary should be considered a 'serious player' in the promotion and recruitment of young Muslims to terrorist cells.
Dr Usama Hasan, of the anti-extremist think-tank the Quilliam Foundation, told the East London Advertiser: 'In Islamic teaching you shouldn't drink alcohol, but you can't impose Islamic law on other people.
'This is a democracy. To try and impose Sharia by force, which is their stated aim, is completely stupid and against Islamic teaching.'
An East London Mosque spokesman reportedly condemned the protest as a publicity stunt and politicians in the area described it as 'provocative'.
Labour group leader Sirajul Islam said before the protest: 'Everyone has a right to peaceful protest but I urge the Shariah Project to think carefully about the impact their actions will have.'
Telling a Brit he can't drink? Yeah, that'll work. [-(
Of all the religions, Islam is the one I dislike the most, extremist by nature. It wants women to have complete subservience towards men, and men towards god.
I despise it
Why have they not been jailed for threatening violence in writing, which absolutely is illegal in the UK?
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Why have they not been jailed for threatening violence in writing, which absolutely is illegal in the UK?
I must have missed that part.
Quote from: "Jmpty"Quote from: "SilentFutility"Why have they not been jailed for threatening violence in writing, which absolutely is illegal in the UK?
I must have missed that part.
It is in the headline of the article.
In any case, here:
QuoteThe group, led by former Al-Muhajiroun leader Anjem Choudary, warned restaurants and shops in the Brick Lane area that they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell the product, which is banned under Sharia Law.
Around 60 men and women in burkhas handed over warning letters to Muslim-owned businesses in the area after the protest was initially delayed by a small number of English Defence League members staging a counter-protest.
40 lashes by whom? who is just going to say "okay, whip me?" This is stupid.
This reminds me of a picture I found a few days ago. //http://i.imgur.com/mzGD7ul.jpg
Quote from: "Muslim"'We cannot live among the non-Muslims and see this evil take place.'
Then don't. Bye.
Quote from: "Jmpty"40 lashes by whom? who is just going to say "okay, whip me?" This is stupid.
It's just their way of saying "We're here, we're many, and we're not afraid of you Kafir." If they had injected Sharia into the law and government, they could use some special Sharia police (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_religious_police) to enforce that 40 lashes punishment, like in Aceh. Hopefully that won't happen in UK. :-|
Quote from: "SilentFutility"Why have they not been jailed for threatening violence in writing, which absolutely is illegal in the UK?
Wouldn't want to offend the mujahideen in the east London mosque in case they start rioting.
However I must stress this is the daily mail we're talking about here. They will literally take anything remotely negative and blow it out of proportion. Not saying that's what they've done, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a passing comment from some loon and suddenly it's turned into a conspiracy.
These Muslims are just trying to fit in with British society. They probably immigrated so they could have freedom to practice their religion. The British should not take away their freedom because they are Muslims. They should be allowed to practice their religion.
And the second any of them actually try to back up what they say, any retaliation becomes a hate crime against Muslims. Love these guys.
Since the 12th century Muslims have tried to invade Europe and weren't successful. Now they're doing it through the womb. Europe is lost. Time for the brave remaining Europeans to cross over the ocean if they want to save their way of life.
Quote from: "SGOS"These Muslims are just trying to fit in with British society. They probably immigrated so they could have freedom to practice their religion. The British should not take away their freedom because they are Muslims. They should be allowed to practice their religion.
They come from Paksitan where they have every freedom to practice their religion. They came to the UK because they get more money.
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Since the 12th century Muslims have tried to invade Europe and weren't successful. Now they're doing it through the womb. Europe is lost. Time for the brave remaining Europeans to cross over the ocean if they want to save their way of life.
Yeah, we'll just have kill the primitive natives again and we'll be able to build a new empire. :)
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "josephpalazzo"Since the 12th century Muslims have tried to invade Europe and weren't successful. Now they're doing it through the womb. Europe is lost. Time for the brave remaining Europeans to cross over the ocean if they want to save their way of life.
Yeah, we'll just have kill the primitive natives again and we'll be able to build a new empire. :)
we already kilt em o......hey.....wait a minute. :-s
Read a piece elsewhere- Reddit, I think- that some Brits said this news was overplayed by the media. The threats were against Islamic shopkeepers, not something carefully specified in the article. nonetheless, the mere threat of violence against anyone should supercede Sharia Law or any other religious mandate. The quack rabble rouser in my view is a candidate for a quick exit to a Middle Eastern location.
This news was not overplayed. Muslims attacked British people as well for drinking in the streets or for (women) not being covered up. they kidnapped and beat up a teacher for teaching muslim children in school about evolution.
No drinking, no porn, no homosexuality, no fun....why is this religion popular again? :-k
Edit: Oh, and no fucking bacon! :evil:
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"No drinking, no porn, no homosexuality, no fun....why is this religion popular again? :-k
Edit: Oh, and no fucking bacon! :evil:
Ever notice that all the super successful religions in the world are also super repressive?
Christianity and Islam boast numbers like no others and have historically imposed all sorts of sex restrictions, dietary laws (especially meat), drug restrictions (coming down pretty hard on alcohol especially), etc. You name it, and it's either currently banned, been banned in the past, or is in the process of becoming banned.
And it's such a pervasive practice that it's pretty common for adherents to wonder if any given activity is permissible in their religion - everything from games of chance to tattoos to even innocuous stuff like Harry Potter or hot drinks or even handling a package containing alcohol or pork. And they don't even seem to notice that it might be bad to think this way, to live your life by "Master, may I?"
Meanwhile, more permissive religions have orders of magnitude less adherents.
Boggles my mind.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"No drinking, no porn, no homosexuality, no fun....why is this religion popular again? :-k
Edit: Oh, and no fucking bacon! :evil:
Ever notice that all the super successful religions in the world are also super repressive?
Christianity and Islam boast numbers like no others and have historically imposed all sorts of sex restrictions, dietary laws (especially meat), drug restrictions (coming down pretty hard on alcohol especially), etc. You name it, and it's either currently banned, been banned in the past, or is in the process of becoming banned.
And it's such a pervasive practice that it's pretty common for adherents to wonder if any given activity is permissible in their religion - everything from games of chance to tattoos to even innocuous stuff like Harry Potter or hot drinks or even handling a package containing alcohol or pork. And they don't even seem to notice that it might be bad to think this way, to live your life by "Master, may I?"
Meanwhile, more permissive religions have orders of magnitude less adherents.
Boggles my mind.
The guy who wrote the Satanic Bible figured that most theists are secretly masochistic. Given all that you said, LaVey might have been onto something. :-k The disturbing part is that this encompasses an absurdly large percentage of the Earth's population.
I'm willing to bet it's just a case of "but if my religion doesn't tell me exactly what I can and cannot do, I would actually have to think about questions."
Most people don't seem to like thinking about difficult questions.
Quote from: "stromboli"The threats were against Islamic shopkeepers, not something carefully specified in the article.
QuoteDozens of Muslim protestors gathered to demand that businesses stop selling alcohol in a popular East London area yesterday.
The group, led by former Al-Muhajiroun leader Anjem Choudary, warned restaurants and shops in the Brick Lane area that they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell the product, which is banned under Sharia Law.
Around 60 men and women in burkhas handed over warning letters to Muslim-owned businesses in the area after the protest was initially delayed by a small number of English Defence League members staging a counter-protest.
It does, in the first part of the article.
Quote from: "Jmpty"40 lashes by whom? who is just going to say "okay, whip me?" This is stupid.
If you are handing out letters and verbally telling people that they cannot do something that they are perfectly entitled to do under UK law otherwise they will be physically harmed, you are threatening them, which is illegal.
The Quran allows alcohol in this verse-
//http://www.quran.com/16/67
There is a verse that prohibits wine, is that a contradiction and what does the fine print in the Quran say about contradictions?
//http://www.quran.com/4/82
Note- Read all english translations by ticking boxes on left side of page to dispel the mistranslation myth.
To get muslims to drop this alcohol issue i point out the Quran allows it and ask if that is a contradiction.
They will deny 16/67 is a contradiction, as long as you are talking the quran even the most fundie bearded nutjob will be ok.
Then you divert the topic to how Mohammad prescribed drinking camel urine.
Here is the good sheik on the health benefits of drinking camel urine-
QuoteThe Benefits of drinking camel urine
I hope that you can provide me with a scientific answer- if such knowledge is available- about the saheeh hadeeth about drinking camels urine, May Alah reward you
:rollin:
//http://www.islamqa.com/en/83423
These guys are taking the piss out of Islam and its quackery with drinking camel urine.
[youtube:13vnceo2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7JaB9pqew[/youtube:13vnceo2]
Diverting the topic to muslims drinking camel urine tends to shut them up about alcohol.
I don't want to get into the politics of this issue but the EDL AND the extremist Muslim groups causing havoc in the UK are both the problem here. Yes, criticize the EDL for it's fascist attitude but please for the love of consistency and fairness ALSO criticize the radical fuckwits trying to drag one of the pillars of the Western world back into a 7th century toilet.
Quote from: "frosty"I don't want to get into the politics of this issue but the EDL AND the extremist Muslim groups causing havoc in the UK are both the problem here. Yes, criticize the EDL for it's fascist attitude but please for the love of consistency and fairness ALSO criticize the radical fuckwits trying to drag one of the pillars of the Western world back into a 7th century toilet.
The EDL seems to have fallen apart. They aren't racists. They are a bunch of football casuals that hate Islam..and they are right. They aren't very clever but they aren't racists. I have walked passed them and never heard one bit of racial abuse.
The evel people are the Muslim's frienmd the UAF - a bunch of Marxists who love everything anti western. One of thiose idiot twats told me I was a traitor to my people for not opposing the EDL -the idiot thought I was a Somali!
And here all this time I thought you were gay and not black.
QuoteIn the case of the homosexual, absent modern medicine, they would never be able to produce because they were not designed to be together sexually. Sab
Since they can have sex together it seems they were designed to enjoy sex, but not have children, until God gave man science. It sounds like a sab story and you're just upset because you can't have kids. :lol: Solitary
what the fuck is going on in the world. these people should not belong in the world. I always though you see such things only in the middle east. Now in London. we need to take some sort of against this.
Yeah...just move here and bring all your shit with you UK.. We still have plenty of room on Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas...etc I'm absolutely sure your tired, huddled masses fleeing for 'religious freedom" will just LOVE Tea Party country.. :rollin:
Uruguay. :-D
Maybe I'm living too close to the USA Muslim epicenter of Dearborn but just about every liquor store I've been in is owned by Muslims. The few times I've been to Dearborn, all of the Middle Eastern style restaurants serve alcohol. Maybe Allah turns a blind eye to all of this.
Quote from: "baronvonrort"These guys are taking the piss out of Islam and its quackery with drinking camel urine.
That is most bizarre...
That is when you consider the reason why Muslims wont eat anything that comes from a pig.
Quote from: "gussy"Maybe I'm living too close to the USA Muslim epicenter of Dearborn but just about every liquor store I've been in is owned by Muslims. The few times I've been to Dearborn, all of the Middle Eastern style restaurants serve alcohol. Maybe Allah turns a blind eye to all of this.
We tend not to have dedicated "liquor stores", you buy your alcohol in normal supermarkets (grocery stores), or in off-licenses, which I suppose you'd call convinience stores.
A significant proportion of off-licenses are run by muslim owners as well. The vast majority of muslims in the UK are fine with integrating, running successful businesses and contributing to our economy, it is the small minority of idiots like these that ruin it for them and the rest of us.
Not everything is always as it seems and looks can be deceiving. Muslims here too run local stores for booze which are family owned, they always seem to be moderate and the girls are not wearing headscarves. I've met a handful of them that even consume alcohol in a social way. The title of this thread is a bit misleading, but whatever.
i have no idea how Muslims can live in a democracy. i think they don't get the idea of it.
This is a violent minority. This violent minority exists everywhere, even in Japan (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_extremism_in_Japan).
That article only talks about far left and far right political extremists, I don't see anything about Muslims. I'm sure there are Muslim assholes in Japan, but they're not mentioned in that article.