I really can't see too much difference between "love" and "physical attraction." I mean, if you're deeply physically attracted to somebody, wouldn't you pretty much automatically care about them a lot more than you care about 99% of people? You'd want them to be healthy, wealthy, and happy even when you couldn't care less about everybody else. This is true even for "purely selfish" people.
There's obviously something to be said for someone who supports your hobbies and dreams and stuff, but the difference between "true love" and "lust" seems to be about like a tenth of a radian, they're not by any means opposites the way the moralists would claim.
It's not a two way street. If you love someone, you will generally automatically start seeing them as physically attractive, but I don't believe for one second that anyone here cares much more about whichever porn stars they fancy than any other random person in the world, let alone than someone they actually know.
Once you love, you will be attracted and care. But just because you're attracted won't mean that you love, nor care.
But even then, most people would be somewhat distraught if their favorite porn star got AIDS or confessed to being super-depressed or something.
But probably not as much as they'd be when their dog got run over, and I'm pretty sure they feel a lot less physical attraction for it.
Sure, but that's kind of irrelevant to my point.
Not really. If you can love a dog without feeling physical attraction for it, your point that there's not much difference between the two fails already.
If you add that you can care more about something that you love but feel no physical atraction for than you can care about something you feel a lot of physical attraction for, your point basically fails even further.
My point was that physical attraction generally leads to caring about somebody's well-being, at least more than you care about normal people. I don't see how the attachment you feel for your dog factors into that.
If that was your point, you made it very poorly I fear. You might want to update your opening post with more clearer text to describe what it is you mean.
I have been physically attracted to women for various reasons, but not willing to make a long standing commitment to them, also for various reasons. I've likewise known women I wasn't immediately physically attracted to, but "grew on me." My wife is not by any stretch a drop dead gorgeous woman, but I met her in an English class in college after being involved with various discussions on issues. She "grew on me."
I don't know the physiology or chemistry involved, but I do see them as two different things.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"My point was that physical attraction generally leads to caring about somebody's well-being, at least more than you care about normal people. I don't see how the attachment you feel for your dog factors into that.
Not necessarily. I've known plenty of gals who were incredibly sexy, but completely unattractive the moment they opened their mouths.
Having married a stripper once it's fairly obvious to me you just haven't had your heart ripped out enough. Go fall in love, REALLY in love with a few coked out strippers. You may learn the difference. :lol:
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Having married a stripper once it's fairly obvious to me you just haven't had your heart ripped out enough. Go fall in love, REALLY in love with a few coked out strippers. You may learn the difference. :lol:
I'm not interested . No thanks. [-X
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Quote from: "zarus tathra"My point was that physical attraction generally leads to caring about somebody's well-being, at least more than you care about normal people. I don't see how the attachment you feel for your dog factors into that.
Not necessarily. I've known plenty of gals who were incredibly sexy, but completely unattractive the moment they opened their mouths.
Good summation. =D>
Strange, I love my dad. I couldn't love him more if I tried, but he's an 85 year old man. I gotta tell you.. I don't find my 85 year old dad physically attractive. He'd probably hit me if I even joked about it to him too.. :lol:
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Strange, I love my dad. I couldn't love him more if I tried, but he's an 85 year old man. I gotta tell you.. I don't find my 85 year old dad physically attractive. He'd probably hit me if I even joked about it to him too.. :lol:
Are you sayin' "he'd hit it"? :shock:
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Strange, I love my dad. I couldn't love him more if I tried, but he's an 85 year old man. I gotta tell you.. I don't find my 85 year old dad physically attractive. He'd probably hit me if I even joked about it to him too.. :lol:
Are you sayin' "he'd hit it"? :shock:
Uhhh..no. :-|
Quote from: "zarus tathra"My point was that physical attraction generally leads to caring about somebody's well-being, at least more than you care about normal people. I don't see how the attachment you feel for your dog factors into that.
You said it right there. "Generally", meaning in most cases. Is there any supportive argument other than personal opinion? Given the amount of casual sex that goes on in college and doesn't result in any type of meaningful relationships, and also considering the amount of anonymous sex, one night stands, etc etc, I would actually argue it does not "generally", but occasionally lead to caring, etc.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Strange, I love my dad. I couldn't love him more if I tried, but he's an 85 year old man. I gotta tell you.. I don't find my 85 year old dad physically attractive. He'd probably hit me if I even joked about it to him too.. :lol:
Are you sayin' "he'd hit it"? :shock:
Uhhh..no. :-|
Sorry, couldn't help it. :-D
At least you can't hit me.
"Generally" is a very imprecise term, I admit.
It may very well be, but "generally" pretty much means the vast majority, or at least majority to the extent that anything contrary is a minor exception. So the argument then becomes that sex almost always leads to attachment.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"I really can't see too much difference between "love" and "physical attraction." I mean, if you're deeply physically attracted to somebody, wouldn't you pretty much automatically care about them a lot more than you care about 99% of people? You'd want them to be healthy, wealthy, and happy even when you couldn't care less about everybody else. This is true even for "purely selfish" people.
There's obviously something to be said for someone who supports your hobbies and dreams and stuff, but the difference between "true love" and "lust" seems to be about like a tenth of a radian, they're not by any means opposites the way the moralists would claim.
"Love" and physical attraction are two different things, but physical attraction does play a large part in love. In my mind love is sort of a combination between physical attraction and mental attraction. I obviously want someone who is physically attractive to me (otherwise sex would suck or just be a "when I'm drunk" sorta thing), but I don't want someone with a shitty personality. I made that mistake with the preacher's son: great looks, fucking horrid abusive personality.
Basically, in my mind at least, true love has to have physical attraction as well as compatible personalities.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"I really can't see too much difference between "love" and "physical attraction." I mean, if you're deeply physically attracted to somebody, wouldn't you pretty much automatically care about them a lot more than you care about 99% of people? You'd want them to be healthy, wealthy, and happy even when you couldn't care less about everybody else. This is true even for "purely selfish" people.
There's obviously something to be said for someone who supports your hobbies and dreams and stuff, but the difference between "true love" and "lust" seems to be about like a tenth of a radian, they're not by any means opposites the way the moralists would claim.
If you have never really been in love then you don't understand the difference between that and just physical attraction. The fact is when you love someone unconditionally and they you it doesn't matter what they look like or any other superficial factor.
Quote from: "zarus tathra"I really can't see too much difference between "love" and "physical attraction."
If you can't see a rose as beautiful without wanting to fuck it, please stay away from my rose bushes.