[youtube:mllflbz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zahYUpDgfWs[/youtube:mllflbz8]
[youtube:mllflbz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAPokxi_VRg[/youtube:mllflbz8]
[youtube:mllflbz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roh2vIM_EAA[/youtube:mllflbz8]
I sang this song to my wife when we got engaged.
[youtube:mllflbz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4HPFAds7bc[/youtube:mllflbz8]
And we call this music Now. :roll: Solitary
This may actually count as regression, similar to the methods by which the old bards of Scandinavia passed on their sagas (the Eddas) though chants accompanied by drums. Perry Como? Elvis? Meh.
Similarly...
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0x8S1U7O3w[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSA-yHzkvP8[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
VS
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBcMKwbMEcQ[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRkntoHkIE[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
[youtube:1x0hnsbd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENM2wA_FTg[/youtube:1x0hnsbd]
Cherrypicked examples could be used to support either conclusion.
But compared to previous generations, the quality is about the same. Looking back, there were some really, really bad songs that were wildly popular during their time - same as today. The main difference is that today, there's a hell of a lot more of it being produced (which leads to more crap simply from sturgeon's law), much more competitive (simply from the sheer number of choices), and much more computerized (which can be awesome or terrible, depending on how it's used). I dunno if that's better or worse, just different.
Personally, I think it's actually gotten slightly better lately compared to the last couple years, the dubstep and autotonedeaf crazes appear to finally be dying down, and there are finally some genuinely good newish bands on the scene. Imagine Dragons ftw. Plus, an interesting thing is new bands that stylistically sound like they're from a previous era, like Five Finger Death Punch and Cage the Elephant. Don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of pure crap on the top 40 every week, but there are a few hopeful signs.
I'd say we've come pretty far.....in the wrong direction. but thats just me.
[youtube:1fevqsrj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewnfWoSQz3o[/youtube:1fevqsrj]
vs.
[youtube:1fevqsrj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4iX5D9Z64[/youtube:1fevqsrj]
I don't know bro, I heard this other day and I was boppin and i love it even though it might have religious overtones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI)
and then there is this one which is definitely semi-masked religious but goddamn it if I don't love the hell out of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKfrgqWcv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKfrgqWcv0)
which leads one to wonder how much great run music can turn someone religious...this is pretty damn good stuff.
Quote from: "aitm"I don't know bro, I heard this other day and I was boppin and i love it even though it might have religious overtones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcrbM1l_BoI)
and then there is this one which is definitely semi-masked religious but goddamn it if I don't love the hell out of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKfrgqWcv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKfrgqWcv0)
which leads one to wonder how much great run music can turn someone religious...this is pretty damn good stuff.
Good stuff. Sounds like modernized bluegrass to me, and I like me some bluegrass.
QuoteCherrypicked examples could be used to support either conclusion.
This. I'm sorry, but the good bands of today blow the pop-trash bands of yesteryear out of the water, just like the good bands back in the day blow the pop-trash of today out of the water. To say any year is better than another in terms of music is being very biased I think, because you always have good and you always have bad music being produced.
Another example of what you're doing...
Here is Brasil...
(//http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lWOb93p2mIs/TnJJYY7KViI/AAAAAAAAChY/5SviQihNRQo/s1600/F-Jardins%2Bdo%2BAterro%2Bdo%2BFlamengo-%2BRio%2Bde%2BJaneiro%252C%2BBrasil.jpg)
(//http://crazybeautifulnature.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/fernando-de-noronha-brazil-beach.jpg)
(//http://www.destination360.com/south-america/brazil/images/st/brazil-amazon.jpg)
And this is the United States...
(//http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t-AyvQuCAq4/SixMg9VjKYI/AAAAAAAAABY/GonwjuBHe3U/s320/3380499125_0799af7ffa.jpg)
(//http://releaf.co/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/redneck.jpg)
(//http://www.mississippiriverdelta.org/files/2011/10/yuki_kokubo-0700-credited3.jpg)
(//http://www.211sandiego.org/sites/default/files/hurricane-sandy-damage-new-jersey.jpg)
As you can tell by my selective picture choices, Brasil is OBVIOUSLY are far better country than the United States ever could be.
Quote from: "Shiranu"This. I'm sorry, but the good bands of today blow the pop-trash bands of yesteryear out of the water, just like the good bands back in the day blow the pop-trash of today out of the water. To say any year is better than another in terms of music is being very biased I think, because you always have good and you always have bad music being produced.
Thanks. I was wondering whether or not I was alone there.
I don't particularly enjoy bursting people's bubbles, but bad reasoning (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29) seems to merit one's involvement.
I suppose the main reason people advance this position (besides the obvious nostalgia) is that older music has already been filtered - the hits are kept and the bombs are omitted, while new music hasn't been through this process yet. But in a decade we probably won't even remember half the current crap, but we'll know all the hits.
There's certainly modern tunes I dig, but more often than not its the older tunes (or new tunes that sound like older tunes) that get me going. There was a time I could listen to mainstream country radio stations and like most of what I heard. I can't stand the radio now. whatever floats others baot is fine, but I fell kinda left out of the loop. LOL. yeah I'm nostalgic.
one the bright side however is thanks to the internet any musical niche can be filled in a way not possible in the past. many of my favorite artists who never get played on the radio, still cut new CDs and I get them on iTunes or straight from their websites after they email me letting me know its out.. so modernity isn't all bad.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"There's certainly modern tunes I dig, but more often than not its the older tunes (or new tunes that sound like older tunes) that get me going. There was a time I could listen to mainstream country radio stations and like most of what I heard. I can't stand the radio now. whatever floats others baot is fine, but I fell kinda left out of the loop. LOL. yeah I'm nostalgic.
Yeah, me too. As a big grunge/rock fan, the 2000s to current wasn't all that great for me either. Geez. Pop/rap everywhere. I've branched out a little since then and there's been an ever-so-slight comeback, but damn, that decade was an ELE for good music.
Quoteone the bright side however is thanks to the internet any musical niche can be filled in a way not possible in the past. many of my favorite artists who never get played on the radio, still cut new CDs and I get them on iTunes or straight from their websites after they email me letting me know its out.. so modernity isn't all bad.
Yeah, the internet is great. And not only carries the original, but an absolutely insane amount of remixes, mashups, parodies, alternate music videos, you name it. And a lot of stuff that otherwise would get local exposure or wouldn't even see the light of day at all.
Keep listening to good Metal. It's the direct offspring of baroque and other amazing classical music.
Music peaked 200 years ago. All this stuff is shit.
It's all downhill after classical music. Presumably people today are just as talented as then, but what we have now that they didn't back then is mass communications. Mass communications made it profitable to make music simplistic so that it's "catchy" for quick sale, i.e. music today is it's own commercial jingle.
modern version of classical. wonder what Bach would have thought of this "piece"? LMAO!
[youtube:1cqyl2cz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7UK-6aaNA[/youtube:1cqyl2cz]
k :-k
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"modern version of classical. wonder what Bach would have thought of this "piece"? LMAO!
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY7UK-6aaNA)
That isn't a modern version of classical, that is at best avant-garde.
Contemporary Classical-
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC8RKY2qF9o[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGlRfXlMcwk[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psUmxWZUP0c[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGs_vGt0MY8[/youtube:3024koxb]
Besides mixing up two completely different genres you are again taking the worst and saying, because it is bad, therefor everything in the present is bad too, which is just being downright dishonest.
If you went back to when you consider "better" music, you could find artists producing terrible music. But that doesn't mean that, if I was to link a shitty country song that has been lost in time because it was just bad and was around before the internet, doesn't mean that therefor all country music of the past is bad and modern country music is therefor inherently better.
Likewise there were garbage composers in the Classical era who probably did things very much like the video you linked. The thing is they did it before the internet was around so no one outside their (probably small, as the video above is also) market would have heard it and it was therefor lost to time.
The amount of dishonesty in this thread to prove people's musical taste is
obviously superiour is getting a bit sad.
Edit: Sorry, I left out some other great pieces (if we want to include Avant Garde as classical, then these would be easily classical as well)
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASj81daun5Q[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Kwf_nNmGI[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4[/youtube:3024koxb]
[youtube:3024koxb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hncC_s6XlM[/youtube:3024koxb]
LMAO Shiranu you're taking my last post way too seriously. I don't think all modern classical is like that.
to be honest my post was more meant to get people reacting to 4'33" than to prove all modern classical sucks. I don't listen to much in that style, so I wouldn't know. I do know how I reacted to John Cage in music appreciation class a couple years ago. I get a kick out of seeing others reactions when I share this with them.
btw something that just occurred to me. when it comes down to it, music is subjective. in truth we can't even say anything sucks because thats just a matter of personal taste.
how can you prove objectively and scientifically that Justin Beiber sucks? you can't.
most people know when you say "X sucks" that you really mean that YOU think X sucks and that you're not making a universal decree that all must agree with. (at least most people as I know some people really do think you should agree with them on everything or else)
I think with that in a mind a similar case could be made for folks bitching because they feel left out of the loop with what plays on modern radio.
When people say "whatever happened to good music" what they really mean is "whatever happened to the days when I knew the names of all the artists on the radio and liked what they play."
now get off my lawn. LOL
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"how can you prove objectively and scientifically that Justin Beiber sucks? you can't.
Just like curing cancer and communicable diseases, let's hope science will find a way to do this too.
Quote from: "aileron"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"how can you prove objectively and scientifically that Justin Beiber sucks? you can't.
Just like curing cancer and communicable diseases, let's hope science will find a way to do this too.
:rollin:
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"btw something that just occurred to me. when it comes down to it, music is subjective. in truth we can't even say anything sucks because thats just a matter of personal taste.
how can you prove objectively and scientifically that Justin Beiber sucks? you can't.
most people know when you say "X sucks" that you really mean that YOU think X sucks and that you're not making a universal decree that all must agree with. (at least most people as I know some people really do think you should agree with them on everything or else)
I think with that in a mind a similar case could be made for folks bitching because they feel left out of the loop with what plays on modern radio.
When people say "whatever happened to good music" what they really mean is "whatever happened to the days when I knew the names of all the artists on the radio and liked what they play."
now get off my lawn. LOL
I can say rap sucks because it has no melody unless written by professional writers. And singers now that think singing is shouting is noise to me. Jim Morrison is one of the few singers that knew when to shout and pull it off for effect. And I just can't stand when singer stylize their singing to death, especially the National Anthem that I'm not that fond of to begin with. It's true that taste is subjective, but music or art still has fundamental rules or it becomes chaos and noise or ugly. Ever see a painting by Pollack or watch the girl on Seinfeld dance? :rollin: Solitary
Funny coincidence, I just found out about a newcomer to country called Kacey Musgraves. her songs defend atheists, gays, the poor, feminism, etc. they sound good and folksy too.
she is quoted saying on her website,
"I would love to change things about country," she said. "I think we need to be a little more accepting. If you listen to every other genre there's no issue talking about pot or homosexuality or atheism or whatever it is. But you move to our genre and you're like X'd if you bring up any of that. And that makes me want to say it even more."
so good music and that kind of attitude, and yeah she's got a new fan.
kinda gives me hope. in more ways then one. figured this thread was a good place to mention it. here's one thats straight up country. a song about people minding their own damned business.
[youtube:1ya0g1kp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugS08zy1cA[/youtube:1ya0g1kp]
They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
I would agree that pop music is going downhill.
Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
simple isn't always bad though. at the end of the day when you think about it, music is what moves you. and some of the most moving songs I know only have 3 chords.
btw here's proof of my point.
below is a beautiful song you can play with two chords, simple melody, simple chords.
below that is a very complicated piece that frankly sucks ass.
and yes its a real musical piece, I learned about in music appreciation.
[youtube:1i1pr2fp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU[/youtube:1i1pr2fp]
[youtube:1i1pr2fp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQKyYmU2tPg[/youtube:1i1pr2fp]
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
simple isn't always bad though. at the end of the day when you think about it, music is what moves you. and some of the most moving songs I know only have 3 chords.
Simple things can be good, but people who never move beyond simple things generally aren't. If the most popular genres get simpler and simpler, it means that the people listening to them aren't interested in more complex things in general (not in specifics), which I would consider a bad development.
Quotebelow is a beautiful song you can play with two chords, simple melody, simple chords.
The music might only take two chords, but the lyrics are very rich and complex, so it wouldn't be considered a 'simple song' as far as the study is concerned.
Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
simple isn't always bad though. at the end of the day when you think about it, music is what moves you. and some of the most moving songs I know only have 3 chords.
QuoteStupid hoes is my enemy, stupid hoes is so wack
Stupid ho shoulda befriended me then she coulda prolly came back
Stupid hoes is my enemy, stupid hoes is so wack
Stupid ho shoulda befriended me then she could've probably came back
You a stupid ho, you a stupid ho, you a stupid ho
And I ain't hit that note but fuck a stupid ho
I said fuck a stupid ho and fuck a stupid ho
I said fuck a stupid ho and fuck a stupid ho
QuoteI'm tougher than nails, I can promise you that
Step outta line and you'll get bitch-slapped back
And you can run your little mouth all day
But the hand of god just smacked you back into yesterday
Quote"Swag on you, chillin by the fire while we eatin' fondue."
"So say hello to falsetto in three, two, SWAG!"
"I don't never wanna fight, yeah, you already know. I'm a make you shine bright like you're laying in the snow. Burrr."
Quote"But don't fuck up with Wayne cause when it 'Waynes' it pours."
In this case, simpler is not better.
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "hillbillyatheist"Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
simple isn't always bad though. at the end of the day when you think about it, music is what moves you. and some of the most moving songs I know only have 3 chords.
Simple things can be good, but people who never move beyond simple things generally aren't. If the most popular genres get simpler and simpler, it means that the people listening to them aren't interested in more complex things in general (not in specifics), which I would consider a bad development.
I can feel your pain. there's a pop tune out where like 3/4 of the lyrics are just chanting "you a stupid ho"
but that said I think music should do what suites it, neither being simple or complex for its own sake.
speaking for me I like simple 3 chorded country songs you can learned in a day, but I like me some Mozart and Bach too. and I take no shame in either. I don't see either as "better"
so simply judging music off complexity doesn't prove anything except maybe your personal prefrences. LOL
Quote from: "Shiranu"In this case, simpler is not better.
can't argue with those. I think they suck too. bleh.
(Keep in mind I'm not judging the music, I'm judging the audiences of said music. I can't really blame musicians for making the kind of music people want to listen to, but I can blame the people listening to it for never advancing their tastes.)
And I'm pretty sure the simple country songs you can learn in a day have lyrics that go a few steps beyond what was posted above, which makes them not simple songs, even if they have a simple melody. The voice is an instrument, and if it's taking the lead role then obviously the other instruments sound simpler, but that doesn't make the piece as a whole simple.
LOL yeah if there's ever a tune that can be scientifically proven to suck its "you a stupid ho" LOL
Quote from: "Plu"They did actually run a research on pop music quality by measuring how many different words and concepts songs were written about, and they saw a steady decline in complexity of the song, words used, and content. So I guess you can objectively say that pop music is becoming simpler and simpler.
Over the last 50 years, it has become moodier, longer, and slightly slower (//http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=scientists-discover-trends-in-pop-music) (though the song length has peaked and has dwindled slightly (//https://theboard.byu.edu/questions/44286/))
Quote from: "Solitary"And we call this music Now. :roll: Solitary
Yeah but back in the day when Elvis was just coming onto the music scene, his performances were the Myley Cyrus Twerking of his day.
came across this and think it fits this thread. have a read
http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-s ... usic-sucks (http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/the-science-behind-why-pop-music-sucks)
Yeah, I think that pretty much sums up everything I was trying to say and then adds some more :)
Indian music, folk and classical, thrives. All avenues, all ragas, have been thoroughly investigated. Now, musicians show individual brilliance. The love for classical music has not declined among young people, and every year we come across geniuses through TV competitions. Bombay film music - that is generally trash with western influence.
Quote from: "Plu"(Keep in mind I'm not judging the music, I'm judging the audiences of said music. I can't really blame musicians for making the kind of music people want to listen to, but I can blame the people listening to it for never advancing their tastes.)
This is the most important point of the entire thread. Everyone talks about how music changes over time and the implication is that the composers and/or performers are getting better or worse over time depending on what side of the fence you're on. But the composers and performers are now as they always have been. With rare exception, they tailor their output to the best of their ability to suit the tastes of their audience. Music isn't what has changed. The audience changed and the music followed.
Another interesting side note occurred to me as I read through this thread. Several people commenting in the thread have provided links to examples of music which supports whatever point they were attempting to make. Just about 100% of those links go to youtube. Youtube, a video service, is now the goto source for audio music on demand on the web. Seems ironic somehow.
Youtube is not good enough for Indian music. The maestros come in mood after half an hour of performance. The concert may go on for the whole night. If the performer thinks that the audience is not giving attention to his/her efforts, he/she may pack up instantly. They have their egos on the tip of their noses. :)