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Title: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:01:47 AM
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Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Shiranu on July 31, 2013, 09:08:33 AM
Don't know, but it's interesting.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2013, 09:21:42 AM
An odd book review, if I ever saw one.  When I started reading it, Dan Brown came to mind.  Halfway through, he was referenced.  But I keep seeing the potential for another wonderful piece of pulp, which I would read with relish, by the way.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
But to answer your question, I think it was left behind by ancient aliens that built the pyramids.  There can be no other explanation.   :-D
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
I once translated a medieval chant [witches chant] and it took me nearly 20 years to do so.  It was comprised of 5 different root languages.  I am wondering if this Voynich manuscript couldn't be something similar?   The chant I decoded (according to myself and no other authority, mind you) was used at a certain Sabbat whereby people from various geographical locations would have likely attended a ceremony.  Wondering if the book might not be geared in the same vein - a script invented to be read by different cultures?  Seems everyone who's attempted to translate the book has done so working in One particular vein or trying a certain region geographically - when actually it doesn't answer to one language alone (?)

Meanwhile - I've had the thing sent to my tablet and intend this to be my 'winter' project.  I take on one unusual project each winter.  Usually I interpret strange symbols and their potential usage.  Far more experienced and accredited folk have worked on the Voynich manuscript than me lol.................Wish me luck.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:29:37 AM
Quote from: "SGOS"An odd book review, if I ever saw one.  When I started reading it, Dan Brown came to mind.  Halfway through, he was referenced.  But I keep seeing the potential for another wonderful piece of pulp, which I would read with relish, by the way.

Yes. I very much anticipate Dan Brown doing something lovely and entertaining with this book - YAY!
(I love Dan Brown :rollin: )
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2013, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I once translated a medieval chant [witches chant] and it took me nearly 20 years to do so.  It was comprised of 5 different root languages.  I am wondering if this Voynich manuscript couldn't be something similar?   The chant I decoded (according to myself and no other authority, mind you) was used at a certain Sabbat whereby people from various geographical locations would have likely attended a ceremony.  Wondering if the book might not be geared in the same vein - a script invented to be read by different cultures?  Seems everyone who's attempted to translate the book has done so working in One particular vein or trying a certain region geographically - when actually it doesn't answer to one language alone (?)

Meanwhile - I've had the thing sent to my tablet and intend this to be my 'winter' project.  I take on one unusual project each winter.  Usually I interpret strange symbols and their potential usage.  Far more experienced and accredited folk have worked on the Voynich manuscript than me lol.................Wish me luck.
I just hope you don't open a Pandora's box full of evil that will destroy mankind.  :-D
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:39:20 AM
Quote from: "SGOS"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I once translated a medieval chant [witches chant] and it took me nearly 20 years to do so.  It was comprised of 5 different root languages.  I am wondering if this Voynich manuscript couldn't be something similar?   The chant I decoded (according to myself and no other authority, mind you) was used at a certain Sabbat whereby people from various geographical locations would have likely attended a ceremony.  Wondering if the book might not be geared in the same vein - a script invented to be read by different cultures?  Seems everyone who's attempted to translate the book has done so working in One particular vein or trying a certain region geographically - when actually it doesn't answer to one language alone (?)

Meanwhile - I've had the thing sent to my tablet and intend this to be my 'winter' project.  I take on one unusual project each winter.  Usually I interpret strange symbols and their potential usage.  Far more experienced and accredited folk have worked on the Voynich manuscript than me lol.................Wish me luck.
I just hope you don't open a Pandora's box full of evil that will destroy mankind.  :-D


with ill-tempered sea bass?
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Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:54:22 AM
Dammit!   Cannot afford this
http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manus ... manuscript (http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manuscript-Extraordinary-Interpretation/dp/075285996X/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1375278186&sr=8-7&keywords=voynich+manuscript)


 :shock:  :shock:
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Dammit!   Cannot afford this
http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manus ... manuscript (http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manuscript-Extraordinary-Interpretation/dp/075285996X/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1375278186&sr=8-7&keywords=voynich+manuscript)


 :shock:  :shock:
$1,315.75  ???  Holy crap!
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: aitm on July 31, 2013, 09:59:44 AM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I take on one unusual project each winter.


 :-"


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Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 09:59:46 AM
Quote from: "SGOS"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Dammit!   Cannot afford this
http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manus ... manuscript (http://www.amazon.com/The-Voynich-Manuscript-Extraordinary-Interpretation/dp/075285996X/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1375278186&sr=8-7&keywords=voynich+manuscript)


 :shock:  :shock:
$1,315.75  ???  Holy crap!

Right?  I'm crying in my cornflakes over here.   Why is this so expensive?  WTF?   I wrote Amazon in case its some of or page error.  ""gulp""
I paid $500 for a book ---- once.   But it is a rare, one-of-a-kind book.  There isn't another one like it anywhere.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: the_antithesis on July 31, 2013, 10:47:46 AM
It's Pokemon.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Mister Agenda on July 31, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
Ask Old Seer. I bet he will have pages to say about this topic.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"Ask Old Seer. I bet he will have pages to say about this topic.


Stop it.  *throws coffee cup at your head*
 :rollin:
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Solitary on July 31, 2013, 11:05:05 AM
Wow! Sabrina you always manage to surprise me.  I think you are on the right path to translate that book. I doubt very much a person would write an entire manuscript that was just gibberish. Good luck! I have tried to understand the Voynich manuscript with no luck. I love mysteries, and solving them is even more fun. Solitary
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
Quote from: "aitm"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I take on one unusual project each winter.


 :-"


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You are always so helpful.   8-)
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 11:16:56 AM
Quote from: "Solitary"Wow! Sabrina you always manage to surprise me.  I think you are on the right path to translate that book. I doubt very much a person would write an entire manuscript that was just gibberish. Good luck! I have tried to understand the Voynich manuscript with no luck. I love mysteries, and solving them is even more fun. Solitary

Well surprising you is always a fun adventure.  You're welcome to help if you'd like.   Right now I'm digging through old websites I have saved on ancient texts - looking up lettering from various regions. [1] From what I can tell everyone who's researched this has only tried to translate into (from) one language (or region) or another.  Even Edith Sherwood who's made the most progress ever didn't try combining different languages.

If a combination of language (in order to build the mystery/cryptic/ness) is possible in ancient chants - then why is that not possible for a difficult-to-translate book?

makes sense to me



but then.............my brain is wired a little different, I fear.



[1]  for example one letter/symbol Edith Sherwood could not transcribe looks Pictish to me.   Pictish lettering/symbols was often used in medieval times to add mystery or magical elements to writings or carvings.  This book may have been tackled on a purely academic approach whereas medieval alchemy and magic may be needed to break its code.  I think a combination of academic and magical (alchemy/planetary/symbology) overlaying at least the possibility of 5-to-7 root languages may be needed. And filling in with symbology (from Latin to Egyptian) as needed in order for the text to read with any sense.....

??
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: aitm on July 31, 2013, 11:23:52 AM
I am sure I am not the only one who thinks it was done in gibberish on purpose. There is no translation except what someone may invent by mistake. Or it may be the ultimate riddle of taking one letter or symbol at a time from other works at that time and simply combining them in order to form one book into one un-intelligible string of several novels.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
Quote from: "aitm"I am sure I am not the only one who thinks it was done in gibberish on purpose. There is no translation except what someone may invent by mistake. Or it may be the ultimate riddle of taking one letter or symbol at a time from other works at that time and simply combining them in order to form one book into one un-intelligible string of several novels.

Quite true.  It's totally possible the entire text was written to be gibberish on purpose.  I happen to think lots of 'magical' (ooooo booga booga) books were written just to do that very thing.  Still - I will be fun to dig around its pages.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Colanth on July 31, 2013, 12:45:24 PM
Bri, a (pretty poor quality) pdf is available for free download (the manuscript is in the public domain) at //http://ia700305.us.archive.org/6/items/TheVoynichManuscript/Voynich_Manuscript.pdf

And //http://www.sci-news.com/othersciences/linguistics/science-voynich-manuscript-message-01195.html has some pretty interesting information (as far as its being a hoax is concerned - they doubt that it is).
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 31, 2013, 01:12:27 PM
:heart: Thanks hon

I believe this text to be some form of herbal BOS (book of shadows - witchy stuff).  So it would be cool to work on it a little.  I recently helped decode some "spell" pages associated with the Museum of Witchcraft England.  Fun project.

Did I stumble across anything that allows me to turn you into a newt? No. Not really.
But then I do think the secret it "I must believe" in order for that to happen.   :rollin:  And yeah - I expect you to have fun with that.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2013, 03:28:23 PM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did I stumble across anything that allows me to turn you into a newt?
Yeah, but you never know.  I don't think you'd do it intentionally, but I don't know your skill level either. :-D
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 31, 2013, 04:53:15 PM
Former Ohio governor and senator and republican George Voinovich? I knew those bastards were up to something creepy.  [-X
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Colanth on July 31, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did I stumble across anything that allows me to turn you into a newt? No. Not really.
If you didn't, why have I suddenly grown a tail?
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 31, 2013, 05:22:39 PM
Quote from: "Colanth"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did I stumble across anything that allows me to turn you into a newt? No. Not really.
If you didn't, why have I suddenly grown a tail?
Probably just toilet paper stuck to your ass.. You might want to examine it closer.  :-k
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Colanth on August 01, 2013, 12:25:12 AM
Oops, not a newt tail, a gecko tail.  I have GEICO.  Next thing you know I'll start speaking with an Oz accent.  Arrrr.  Arrrr.
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: WitchSabrina on August 01, 2013, 08:35:27 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did I stumble across anything that allows me to turn you into a newt? No. Not really.
If you didn't, why have I suddenly grown a tail?

It's a front/back mix-up --- it's not a tail....  silly man. :rollin:
Title: Re: What is it - this Voynich manuscript?
Post by: Colanth on August 02, 2013, 12:58:47 AM
ROFL  :rollin: