Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Welcome aboard Old Seer! Solitary
So you are a deist and you are going to hit us with fine tuning?
Oh, and welcome.
Quote from: "Solitary"Welcome aboard Old Seer! Solitary
The first objective is to learn how to use the forum. :)
Thank you for the Welcome.
Quote from: "Old Seer"There are no Smurfettes.
There should be at least one Smurfette!
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"So you are a deist and you are going to hit us with fine tuning?
Nope, I'm neither Deist, theist, or of any religion. If anything we are more Atheist.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"Oh, and welcome.
Thank you, and it's good to be here.
Welcome aboard.
Do you have a definition for your "god" thingy?
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Old Seer"There are no Smurfettes.
There should be at least one Smurfette!
I suppose one could say that the wives (if any) would be Smurfettes. To what degree they may have contributed to the finding is unknown to me. I'm merely the present spokesman or conveyer. We're all or most retired (supposedly) and most live on the road in RV's etc. I haven't been married since 83. I'm referred to as the Bible Smurf because I initiated the study, not that I particularly care for the Title. :)
Quote3 Psycho Smurfs,
we are, I am sure, thankful that you are not indeed, a psycho smurf.......er.......I think.
oh yeah, welcome.
actually I think "bible smurf" would be a tremendous nick. I can't think of a better appropriate name than that....bible smurf...LOLOLOL
er..then again...I like wet toilet seats....
Quote from: "Plu"Welcome aboard.
Do you have a definition for your "god" thingy?
Yes---"Force". All that is force. That which rules. That which one is subject to. That which governs. The Forces which everything is and is under. There are material Forces and there is mental/spiritual forces. All are created by force of the big bang (if that idea is correct--seems plausible). One could say the big bang is God, for instance. That which creates and rules. All are subject to these creations and the laws of creation, which we call --universal construction. God is nothing more then a term for-that which is the natural law, law is force. The term "Force" simplifies. There is only one God---force. Force is a "one". There cannot be different forces, force just does different things and causes different ways, but all things are subject it. The book confirms it. For instance--Physics is the study of those forces which are material/physical force and what is derived from "the Force". Psychology is the study of mental/social force that we apply upon each other. (consider the term "forces" a misnomer--there is only force). (we don't arrive at this from the movie "Star Wars", we already knew this before the movie was made) (we were surprised someone else came up with the idea)
I think Cosmic imperative is a better term than force. :shock: :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "aitm"Quote3 Psycho Smurfs,
we are, I am sure, thankful that you are not indeed, a psycho smurf.......er.......I think.
oh yeah, welcome.
Google Disassociative Identity Disorder.
Quote from: "Solitary"I think Cosmic imperative is a better term than force. :shock: :popcorn: Solitary
Maybe so. Bear in mind- that "you" also exert "force"/"the cosmic imperative" into the works. In essence then, you are also "God". You are a cosmic imperative with intelligence. Think about that. Evolution has created something unique. Not just something force acts upon, but something that can reason a force, or to be a force of it's own. That's where Alpha Smurf comes into the setting, to make all aware of "the self". That's the essence of Adam, to know one's self. And, that's what the book is about, and not what the middle/dark age Europeans think or say it is. The book is about ---to govern one's self. :)
I'm with Pappy. sounds deistic to me. Welcome to the hive mind/smurfness that is, uh, old seer.
So this group of yours has been operating or should I say contemplating these ideas since before 1977?
I say this because Star Wars was originally released in '77!
Quote from: "stromboli"I'm with Pappy. sounds deistic to me. Welcome to the hive mind/smurfness that is, uh, old seer.
Thanks you for the Welcome.
Nope- from what we understand/see there's no such person/thing as a deity--unless one is led to believe there is -or creates one for them self, which would be an "untruth". The first thing we find about religions---they don't understand themselves. The bedrock of Alpha Smurf is Atheism. There is no deity in the book. It's a claim of old time Euros. Adam was not a Deist or Theist.
However--- we can't be true Atheists because there is "a" God. We believe in life. life is also God as life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is what it is, and worship doesn't change "life". :)
Actually not an argument there. The idea of a living force ("The Force", if you want) preceded Star Wars. And a god doesn't have to be any one thing such as portrayed in earthly religions whose gods are personifications of human ideas. Philip K. Dick's idea was that of a "Vast Acting Living Intelligence System" (VALIS, a trilogy)
You might also check out Gnosticism- sounds like there might be elements of it in your belief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism)
Sounds to me like a whole bunch of definition shuffling and obfuscating to make it sound more profound then it really is.
You're effectively saying "we call everything god". But we already have a good word for "everything", namely "everything".
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
So you alone joined the forum? What about the rest of the Smurfs? Will you speak for them or just yourself? Will you conviene on every thread that you post on? What the hell is going on here? Can you be more specific?
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
So you alone joined the forum? What about the rest of the Smurfs? Will you speak for them or just yourself? Will you conviene on every thread that you post on? What the hell is going on here? Can you be more specific?
Like I said, hive mind. The group collective. OMFG- its the Borg! Run!!!!!!!
Well this idea that the bible is actually valid and just misinterpreted is ......HOGWASH. The bible was written by men roughly 2000 years ago and its their ideas that are written in the bible. The bible is just as mythological as the unicorn and just as misguided. I don't like the fact that you would give any credibility to the bible by your "new" method. It has been tried before and it is just a bunch of crap. You can't pidgeon hole a work of mythology and make it fit science. As scientist (if indeed you are) wouldn't ever attempt such a thing. If you are really believe this crap you are doling out, submit the bible to the British Academy of Science, include all YOUR redefinitions. Lets see what they think of it. They won't even give you the time of day, that is unless they revoke your collective credentials.
Anyone can do what you all have done with anything. Lets take Grimms Farytales and do the same thing. See how utterly ridiculous that is?
Now if you are just joking around and I think that you just might, well haha, but I hope you aren't serious.
Quote from: "bericks999"So this group of yours has been operating or should I say contemplating these ideas since before 1977?
I say this because Star Wars was originally released in '77!
No, since 85. I'm wrong on the movie. I remember a statement to the affects of Star Wars movie at one time. The comment had to do with "the force". "The Force originates with Physicist #1 that all are under the same forces of nature. I never was a Star Wars fan and still aren't. But the movie does hold truths that we all observe in life. My son was a big fan. As I pointed out to my son--it's a WW II movie undertaken in space. What I can say is--the movie wasn't a influence for "our" application of the Force=God. We finished our study in the summer of 92. It's only been recently we decided to make our biblical interpretations known. I mistakenly attached Star Wars in the effort to convey that it was no influence. It might have been after the fact. I remember that the way the force was applied in the movie doesn't work the way depicted. "The Force" isn't going to guide your weapons for you--it has to be aimed with a hit of miss as anything else. If the missile was launched by "the person" and the person is "God" then God launched the missile. Unless the missile is a beam rider it's on it's own. But, I'm not knowledgeable on all thoughts of the group, so star Wars may have been an influence.
Quote from: "stromboli"Like I said, hive mind. The group collective. OMFG- its the Borg! Run!!!!!!!
I refuse - flat refuse - to be assimilated. How bout you, Strom?
:rollin:
Welcome Smurfman :popcorn:
Quote from: "mykcob4"Well this idea that the bible is actually valid and just misinterpreted is ......HOGWASH. The bible was written by men roughly 2000 years ago and its their ideas that are written in the bible. The bible is just as mythological as the unicorn and just as misguided. I don't like the fact that you would give any credibility to the bible by your "new" method. It has been tried before and it is just a bunch of crap. You can't pidgeon hole a work of mythology and make it fit science. As scientist (if indeed you are) wouldn't ever attempt such a thing. If you are really believe this crap you are doling out, submit the bible to the British Academy of Science, include all YOUR redefinitions. Lets see what they think of it. They won't even give you the time of day, that is unless they revoke your collective credentials.
Anyone can do what you all have done with anything. Lets take Grimms Farytales and do the same thing. See how utterly ridiculous that is?
Now if you are just joking around and I think that you just might, well haha, but I hope you aren't serious.
You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
Quote from: "stromboli"Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
So you alone joined the forum? What about the rest of the Smurfs? Will you speak for them or just yourself? Will you conviene on every thread that you post on? What the hell is going on here? Can you be more specific?
Like I said, hive mind. The group collective. OMFG- its the Borg! Run!!!!!!!
The others will be watching not posting. If I'm wrong they'll let me know. They'll be watching me, not you all. Civilization requires the "Hive" mind, we don't, and are free thinkers and being. Because we agree doesn't make us an ant hill. What is true or false has to be true or false for everyone. Even the ant. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
"God" is a vague term with multiple definitions, so this portion of your creedo is meaningless.
Better yet, answer this question: what's a god?
Failure to give this question an answer is an indication you should hang your hat elsewhere. Possibly the wankers' friction burn ward.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Well this idea that the bible is actually valid and just misinterpreted is ......HOGWASH. The bible was written by men roughly 2000 years ago and its their ideas that are written in the bible. The bible is just as mythological as the unicorn and just as misguided. I don't like the fact that you would give any credibility to the bible by your "new" method. It has been tried before and it is just a bunch of crap. You can't pidgeon hole a work of mythology and make it fit science. As scientist (if indeed you are) wouldn't ever attempt such a thing. If you are really believe this crap you are doling out, submit the bible to the British Academy of Science, include all YOUR redefinitions. Lets see what they think of it. They won't even give you the time of day, that is unless they revoke your collective credentials.
Anyone can do what you all have done with anything. Lets take Grimms Farytales and do the same thing. See how utterly ridiculous that is?
Now if you are just joking around and I think that you just might, well haha, but I hope you aren't serious.
Are you saying the Euros got it right? If they got it right they had no need for the book. They would have had to have been Christians before JC arrived. At no time were the Euros Christainans, and aren't genetically related to Adam. The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners. So- the Euros have the wrong interpretation. It's an Eastern writing not European. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
Oh no.......... this isn't going to be one of those "I'll explain it all to you bit by bit so you can see how wrong you are that there's no god" - is it? Cause we get that here sometimes and just to warn you - a condescending "I know more than you" [like the secrets to the universe type stuff] usually doesn't go over very well.
Just a heads up. But bring your game. (I guess) [1]
And why are your 'others' watching and not speaking for themselves? Quite frankly that's a little creepy.
[1] why are all my warning bells going off? Could it be I've seen this song&dance one time too many?
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Old Seer"The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
"God" is a vague term with multiple definitions, so this portion of your creedo is meaningless.
Better yet, answer this question: what's a god?
Failure to give this question an answer is an indication you should hang your hat elsewhere. Possibly the wankers' friction burn ward.
The biblical God is "you, me and everyone else", not what the Euros say. The Euros applied their idea of God to the book. The Euro idea of God before they got the book is absurd as the one they claim after they acquired the book. Their interpretation is nonsense. A god is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are god if you rule others. God is that which rules internally or externally. If you lord it over others you are attempting to be God over them. God is that which rules, be it you, me or anything or one else. Look around you and in you. Can you deny that you are being ruled and not ruling.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you saying the Euros got it right? If they got it right they had no need for the book. They would have had to have been Christians before JC arrived. At no time were the Euros Christainans, and aren't genetically related to Adam. The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners. So- the Euros have the wrong interpretation. It's an Eastern writing not European. :)
What book are we talking about?
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you saying the Euros got it right? If they got it right they had no need for the book. They would have had to have been Christians before JC arrived. At no time were the Euros Christainans, and aren't genetically related to Adam. The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners. So- the Euros have the wrong interpretation. It's an Eastern writing not European. :)
What book are we talking about?
The one known as the bible. :)
The Bible is a work of historical fiction written not to enlighten but to control.
QuoteA god is that which rules you.
If that's your definition, you're kinda far-off from the more common definitions and should maybe find a new name for this thingy of yours.
But I suppose my sleep is god, for it's ruling that I should go to bed soon.
Quote from: "Old Seer"The biblical God is "you, me and everyone else", not what the Euros say. The Euros applied their idea of God to the book. The Euro idea of God before they got the book is absurd as the one they claim after they acquired the book. Their interpretation is nonsense. A god is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are god if you rule others. God is that which rules internally or externally. If you lord it over others you are attempting to be God over them. God is that which rules, be it you, me or anything or one else. Look around you and in you. Can you deny that you are being ruled and not ruling.
As I thought. Wanker rug burn.
First of all, don't start with the bible. No one cares about the bible. Especially christians, which is why they never read the damned thing.
Second, calling any forum of authority god is stupid. Just call it authority. This is like that thing where some people just call the universe god. It's a waste of time and confusing since you have to explain that you call any form of authority god and then people look at you like you're stupid because you are.
Stop being stupid.
Also, hang your hat elsewhere.
We don't need any more wankers. We're all stocked up.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"The Bible is a work of historical fiction written not to enlighten but to control.
If you go by the Euro interpretation-yes, by ours-no. That's what the book is for--to eliminate all powers, principalities, and authorities, which includes all governments up to and including the US government.
In day 1--Let there be light = enlightenment, not sunlight. Biblical creation is a spiritual/mental concept/creation, not a material universe. This is where the Creationist will loose the debate. They're wrong. A material universe cannot be created by what's going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there. This is the basis of our interpretations. Under this interpretation it's a whole different book, and it's about "you". :)
Proving yet again that the bible is so incredibly vague and non-sensical that even this load of crock can be an "interpretation" of its nonsense, I guess.
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Why work so hard to make the bible work somehow? There have been so many brilliant books written.
:::sigh:::
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Old Seer"The biblical God is "you, me and everyone else", not what the Euros say. The Euros applied their idea of God to the book. The Euro idea of God before they got the book is absurd as the one they claim after they acquired the book. Their interpretation is nonsense. A god is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are god if you rule others. God is that which rules internally or externally. If you lord it over others you are attempting to be God over them. God is that which rules, be it you, me or anything or one else. Look around you and in you. Can you deny that you are being ruled and not ruling.
As I thought. Wanker rug burn.
First of all, don't start with the bible. No one cares about the bible. Especially christians, which is why they never read the damned thing.
Second, calling any forum of authority god is stupid. Just call it authority. This is like that thing where some people just call the universe god. It's a waste of time and confusing since you have to explain that you call any form of authority god and then people look at you like you're stupid because you are.
Stop being stupid.
Also, hang your hat elsewhere.
We don't need any more wankers. We're all stocked up.
God wears hats with different labels, authority is one of them. Authority is power/force, God. Or. I can be God, or you can. If you want to be God then I can be a counter force, this is where wars come from.
Be careful, you may end up eating a hat. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"The Bible is a work of historical fiction written not to enlighten but to control.
If you go by the Euro interpretation-yes, by ours-no. That's what the book is for--to eliminate all powers, principalities, and authorities, which includes all governments up to and including the US government.
In day 1--Let there be light = enlightenment, not sunlight. Biblical creation is a spiritual/mental concept/creation, not a material universe. This is where the Creationist will loose the debate. They're wrong. A material universe cannot be created by what's going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there. This is the basis of our interpretations. Under this interpretation it's a whole different book, and it's about "you". :)
I'm not talking about an interpretation at all. Rather about the context in which it was written. The book is fiction. You can assign whatever allegorical meaning to what is written there you want, but you might as well do the same for the The Silmarillion. The Bible contains no secrets to understanding the universe.
Quote from: "Plu"Proving yet again that the bible is so incredibly vague and non-sensical that even this load of crock can be an "interpretation" of its nonsense, I guess.
The book is about the Human verses the animal mind. It is a book of psychiatry. Someone understood the mind/being far greater then any today, except the Smurfs who learned from them. At any given moment one is "being" animal, or human, there is no other being/way possible. These are 2 states of mind, none other is possible except neutral. One of these is Christianity, one is not. Christianity is nothing more then being a proper human toward others, known as "social values". Christianity is a person minus the animal values. The Euros had no understanding of these concepts, and likewise, people today. If you want to live in peace you must cage the animal, and it is the animal mind that runs the world. This is what the book is about. Civilizations operates on the animal mind and this the problem. No one can assume a position above another without it originating from the animal mind. Our Psycho Smurfs know this perfectly.
We have to tell you--because we know. We encountered this from the book, it is correct. The Euro version is the problem. :)
Welcome, old sneer.
Well this is kinda funny because about a year or 2 ago I encountered a website with some muslim group saying things that are almost identical to what you're saying here, but about the quran of course.
I have to say, I really liked the idea, but I have to agree with the majority here. I mean, Plu said it the best way, you call everything "god", but we already have a word for everything, which is "everything". :wink:
But I'm still gonna go ahead and ask you this : How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is the correct one ?
Quote from: "Old Seer"God wears hats with different labels, authority is one of them. Authority is power/force, God. Or. I can be God, or you can.
Or you could stop being a wanker and just not use the work god, you boring, tedious individual.
Quote from: "bada94"Welcome, old sneer.
Well this is kinda funny because about a year or 2 ago I encountered a website with some muslim group saying things that are almost identical to what you're saying here, but about the quran of course.
I have to say, I really liked the idea, but I have to agree with the majority here. I mean, Plu said it the best way, you call everything "god", but we already have a word for everything, which is "everything". :wink:
But I'm still gonna go ahead and ask you this : How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is the correct one ?
In our study we encountered (this is not in the book that I know of) everything has a true side and a false side. If it doesn't make sense according to the facts understood then it's false. That is par with universal construction. That's means then, the book has a true side and a false side. If it be true it will work out to a final end, if it be false it will not. If the book doesn't make sense then it is false or---it is interpreted wrong, it cannot be any other then one of these. The book can only be interpreted 2 ways--from a material view, or a spiritual view point. Now---observation---the universe contains only 2 things, they being, material and spiritual, there is nothing else to consider. One can also interpret the spiritual as "person" or "the mental". From that then-the book can only be interpreted from one of these. The present interpretation doesn't work and makes no sense--and solves no problem. Then--it has to be interpreted from the spiritual. That's the one that works, which means, this book is not about a material universe, it's about the spiritual, and if that be the case it is about people. There is nothing else to interpret it from except these 2, would that not be the case. Our interpretation also works out to a final end, that being a mental condition the book calls "Armageddon". So, the universe contains only the material (from the big bang) and the spiritual/person/people. there is nothing else in the works. The physical is not the person, the mind is. The physical is the body, and the body is material. What is important in the book is people, not material.
Considering that there are only two possible interpretations one would have to be correct, and only if one will work. Both could be false, right. But the spiritual is not--it is correct. The ancients who wrote the book knew things we didn't know until now and that is---what we are mentally. When one gets so far into it --it adds itself together and one eventually becomes a self teacher. Falsehood cannot progress. It only takes a bit and pooof there it is. If it's false you'll know it. It has to be given time. :)
If everything is god---so be it. Nothing wrong with that. An Apostle says the same---God is all things to all people.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "bada94"Welcome, old sneer.
Well this is kinda funny because about a year or 2 ago I encountered a website with some muslim group saying things that are almost identical to what you're saying here, but about the quran of course.
I have to say, I really liked the idea, but I have to agree with the majority here. I mean, Plu said it the best way, you call everything "god", but we already have a word for everything, which is "everything". :wink:
But I'm still gonna go ahead and ask you this : How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is the correct one ?
In our study we encountered (this is not in the book that I know of) everything has a true side and a false side. If it doesn't make sense according to the facts understood then it's false. That is par with universal construction. That's means then, the book has a true side and a false side. If it be true it will work out to a final end, if it be false it will not. If the book doesn't make sense then it is false or---it is interpreted wrong, it cannot be any other then one of these. The book can only be interpreted 2 ways--from a material view, or a spiritual view point. Now---observation---the universe contains only 2 things, they being, material and spiritual, there is nothing else to consider. One can also interpret the spiritual as "person" or "the mental". From that then-the book can only be interpreted from one of these. The present interpretation doesn't work and makes no sense--and solves no problem. Then--it has to be interpreted from the spiritual. That's the one that works, which means, this book is not about a material universe, it's about the spiritual, and if that be the case it is about people. There is nothing else to interpret it from except these 2, would that not be the case. Our interpretation also works out to a final end, that being a mental condition the book calls "Armageddon". So, the universe contains only the material (from the big bang) and the spiritual/person/people. there is nothing else in the works. The physical is not the person, the mind is. The physical is the body, and the body is material. What is important in the book is people, not material.
Considering that there are only two possible interpretations one would have to be correct, and only if one will work. Both could be false, right. But the spiritual is not--it is correct. The ancients who wrote the book knew things we didn't know until now and that is---what we are mentally. When one gets so far into it --it adds itself together and one eventually becomes a self teacher. Falsehood cannot progress. It only takes a bit and pooof there it is. If it's false you'll know it. It has to be given time. :)
If everything is god---so be it. Nothing wrong with that. An Apostle says the same---God is all things to all people.
Okay, I'm sorry to say this but for now you have made a lot of claims without any kind of support.
First of all you say that minds are not material (or at least, that people have a non-material aspect), how do you know this ?
Secondly, you can interpret the bible in a zillion ways for it to make sense. But you still do not realise that you're just switching and adjusting a few things here and there, replacing this with that, and so on. My point being, you cannot possibly know that this is the correct way of interpretation, as it can be interpreted many other ways. So just because it "works", doesn't mean it's correct. ;)
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
Oh no.......... this isn't going to be one of those "I'll explain it all to you bit by bit so you can see how wrong you are that there's no god" - is it? Cause we get that here sometimes and just to warn you - a condescending "I know more than you" [like the secrets to the universe type stuff] usually doesn't go over very well.
Just a heads up. But bring your game. (I guess) [1]
And why are your 'others' watching and not speaking for themselves? Quite frankly that's a little creepy.
[1] why are all my warning bells going off? Could it be I've seen this song&dance one time too many?
The others must remain anonymous. Or we'll undergo the same fate as JC. Not this time around, we're here to stay. If something happens to me another in time will take over. This is dangerous stuff. :)
We do not lord it over others-we left that world behind. I am here to inform, not be smarter than. We no longer belong to your world so we don't venture the same.
It will take a bit by bit--this is new. For some very hard to understand--at first. Others will see much sooner. Bit by bit will give you a chance to think of things---one thing at a time--- :)
Quote from: "bada94"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "bada94"Welcome, old sneer.
Well this is kinda funny because about a year or 2 ago I encountered a website with some muslim group saying things that are almost identical to what you're saying here, but about the quran of course.
I have to say, I really liked the idea, but I have to agree with the majority here. I mean, Plu said it the best way, you call everything "god", but we already have a word for everything, which is "everything". :wink:
But I'm still gonna go ahead and ask you this : How do you know that your interpretation of the bible is the correct one ?
In our study we encountered (this is not in the book that I know of) everything has a true side and a false side. If it doesn't make sense according to the facts understood then it's false. That is par with universal construction. That's means then, the book has a true side and a false side. If it be true it will work out to a final end, if it be false it will not. If the book doesn't make sense then it is false or---it is interpreted wrong, it cannot be any other then one of these. The book can only be interpreted 2 ways--from a material view, or a spiritual view point. Now---observation---the universe contains only 2 things, they being, material and spiritual, there is nothing else to consider. One can also interpret the spiritual as "person" or "the mental". From that then-the book can only be interpreted from one of these. The present interpretation doesn't work and makes no sense--and solves no problem. Then--it has to be interpreted from the spiritual. That's the one that works, which means, this book is not about a material universe, it's about the spiritual, and if that be the case it is about people. There is nothing else to interpret it from except these 2, would that not be the case. Our interpretation also works out to a final end, that being a mental condition the book calls "Armageddon". So, the universe contains only the material (from the big bang) and the spiritual/person/people. there is nothing else in the works. The physical is not the person, the mind is. The physical is the body, and the body is material. What is important in the book is people, not material.
Considering that there are only two possible interpretations one would have to be correct, and only if one will work. Both could be false, right. But the spiritual is not--it is correct. The ancients who wrote the book knew things we didn't know until now and that is---what we are mentally. When one gets so far into it --it adds itself together and one eventually becomes a self teacher. Falsehood cannot progress. It only takes a bit and pooof there it is. If it's false you'll know it. It has to be given time. :)
If everything is god---so be it. Nothing wrong with that. An Apostle says the same---God is all things to all people.
Okay, I'm sorry to say this but for now you have made a lot of claims without any kind of support.
First of all you say that minds are not material (or at least, that people have a non-material aspect), how do you know this ?
Secondly, you can interpret the bible in a zillion ways for it to make sense. But you still do not realise that you're just switching and adjusting a few things here and there, replacing this with that, and so on. My point being, you cannot possibly know that this is the correct way of interpretation, as it can be interpreted many other ways. So just because it "works", doesn't mean it's correct. ;)
If it doesn't work it's not correct. This is new, it will take time and thought to get the general info lineage. You can do it. You must understand--it takes a 1000 words to explain something simple. It applies in this case.
There's only 2 basic ways to interpret the book. There is only one spiritual way and there can be 1000 material ways. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"If it doesn't work it's not correct. This is new, it will take time and thought to get the general info lineage. You can do it. You must understand--it takes a 1000 words to explain something simple. It applies in this case. :)
Now you see, you still haven't given an answer. Something a typical religious apologetic would do. All I'm asking is how do you know that this is the correct interpretation. Which means, how do you know that this is how the bible was meant to be interpreted ? You still haven't given an answer. "Because it works" is no answer. It's great that it works, but you could use your ideas and philosophies about life, and write your own book. Right now, you're just pasting your ideas over an ancient one.
But just in case you can prove me wrong, I'll ask again (and clearly, this time) : How do you know that your interpretation is the way the writers of the bible meant for it to be interpreted ?
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Well this idea that the bible is actually valid and just misinterpreted is ......HOGWASH. The bible was written by men roughly 2000 years ago and its their ideas that are written in the bible. The bible is just as mythological as the unicorn and just as misguided. I don't like the fact that you would give any credibility to the bible by your "new" method. It has been tried before and it is just a bunch of crap. You can't pidgeon hole a work of mythology and make it fit science. As scientist (if indeed you are) wouldn't ever attempt such a thing. If you are really believe this crap you are doling out, submit the bible to the British Academy of Science, include all YOUR redefinitions. Lets see what they think of it. They won't even give you the time of day, that is unless they revoke your collective credentials.
Anyone can do what you all have done with anything. Lets take Grimms Farytales and do the same thing. See how utterly ridiculous that is?
Now if you are just joking around and I think that you just might, well haha, but I hope you aren't serious.
You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
I don't HAVE to be acquainted with your interpretation. I know how the bible was written and it was written by men. I know that they didn't have a clue about science and therefore ANY interpretation of the bible to fit science is not only wrong but unethical. Oh and BTW there are many words in Hebrew for "god". My jewish neighbor who happens to be a Rabbi told me that there are many words for god! So far you are far from factual about what you have written here. Adam not only knew god he communicated with him on a daily basis. Adam had no knowledge of self rule or of free thought. That is the great sin of man that he acquired knowledge of free thought, in the bible. So if you propose that the bible supports and encourages free thought, then you'd be wrong on yet another vital point.
The bible is not a book about the universe/mind/people/persons. The bible is a book of alagory. It is a book by men and about men that didn't venture on know about anything outside the roughly 25 miles that it eminated from. It is a collection of stories from many ancient cultures. It a book of fairytales. The concept of hell comes from the Egyption Book of the Dead. Even the thought of an afterlife comes from that book. The concept of the flood, the idea ofan earthbound god(son of god) that died and rose again came from ancient folklore far older than even the jews. In fact just reading your post reminds me of the conspiracy theorist that believe ancient aliens built the pyramids in Egypt, and South America. It's utter gibberish.
I challenge you to provide one single fact and provide imperical poof to support said fact that can and is independently varified.
I bet you can attribute the curse of King Tut to some hairbrained pseudo-scientific conspiracy.
So conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing smurf, I have left your little tribe a challenge. Put all your little blue noggins together and solve that riddle, or go away.
Okay this Old Seer is nothing but a troll. I doubt that he has ANY credentials at all except for maybe the people promoting Intelligent Design that also call themselves scientist. This guys is a troll and needs to be locked out. No doubt by the way that he has stated that "all will be revealed", he intends to spam the site with a bunch of nonsense and religious pseudo-scientific babble.
Hey Old Seer,....I doubt that you are old and it is appaerent that you don't see shit. Your process is highly unscientific, or logical!
Quote from: "bada94"Quote from: "Old Seer"If it doesn't work it's not correct. This is new, it will take time and thought to get the general info lineage. You can do it. You must understand--it takes a 1000 words to explain something simple. It applies in this case. :)
Now you see, you still haven't given an answer. Something a typical religious apologetic would do. All I'm asking is how do you know that this is the correct interpretation. Which means, how do you know that this is how the bible was meant to be interpreted ? You still haven't given an answer. "Because it works" is no answer. It's great that it works, but you could use your ideas and philosophies about life, and write your own book. Right now, you're just pasting your ideas over an ancient one.
But just in case you can prove me wrong, I'll ask again (and clearly, this time) : How do you know that your interpretation is the way the writers of the bible meant for it to be interpreted ?
That, you can only find for yourself but, it works for us and we can see that it will work for others. it has to be for you as it was with us. We encountered this from study and search. This is not something you will see today but will in time just as with us. You want proof of something that you can only find for yourself. It took us 8 years to find, and still are finding things not seen previous. You have to think and study to find as we did. It comes together on it's own after a certain point. The first thing is -page one, creation. That's where we started on the premise that it didn't make sense in terms of physics. The speculation was that it had to be something spiritual--and the Psycho Smurfs took it from there. They immediately recognised it (as any psychologist should) as a mental construction, but took time to decipher exactly what and how. From your own study you have to find it to be true or not. Okay- start here. light= the gaining of knowledge, waters = thought/reasoning/thinking, dry land = belief, solid conviction, grass (the lowest of plants) = humility, cattle =social bonds or the like, society, creeping thing= predator/catlike/animal like, fowl = superiority/greaters and lessors. For the time being consider it a spiritual happening and see what you come up with. It has to happen to you as it did us. I can only help, you must do the thinking. In time you'll begin to see things as --the flood of Noah. An Armageddon of it's time --they killed each other off--there was no flood of H2O, and a mental condition of genocide. They flooded (waters) over with hate and anger and went berserk. Does that make sense over what is interpreted at present---of course---now it makes sense--right. The floks who wrote this book knew the mind, and it's results. It a book of psychiatry/people, and what happens when they are animalistic.
JC----It will be as in the days of Noah, they will be eating and drinking, marrying an giving in marriage, when the flood came and took them all away. He knows--they knew. He is referring to the changing of times after of which the flood happens again. The end time derived from knowing the result of how people think and their mental conditions. I cannot prove to you--you have to study and find it---do so and you will encounter it as we did. I can only help. many things you find will not be pleasant. Give it a try. We found everyone is on their own and can only compare notes---we are comparing notes with you so you can see what we do. :)
Quote from: "mykcob4"Okay this Old Seer is nothing but a troll. I doubt that he has ANY credentials at all except for maybe the people promoting Intelligent Design that also call themselves scientist. This guys is a troll and needs to be locked out. No doubt by the way that he has stated that "all will be revealed", he intends to spam the site with a bunch of nonsense and religious pseudo-scientific babble.
Hey Old Seer,....I doubt that you are old and it is appaerent that you don't see shit. Your process is highly unscientific, or logical!
No intelligent design, didn't happen that way. There was no intelligence existing at the time of the big bang. Intelligence is a result of evolution. There is no intelligence without a brain. Where there is no brain there is no one. Be careful with the word "logic". Stay with it---you'll see it. No one here is dumm. You don't want a Psycho Smurf to post in his terms do you. I don't understand most of that stuff and I've been dealing with it for a long time. I'm not even interested in Psycho terms. We want to be "unscientific" so we can be understood. We have a Lawyer Smurf too and I don't understand him either. :)
Oh, I get it. If you encounter a story that cannot be proven by physics one merely re-interprets the wording so that the physics can be applied. WOW! No wonder we have never figured it out, we simply didn't think outside the box.....far enough..
I've found zero need to study a book that is loaded with bullshit. I'm surrounded by industrial strength bullshit where I live and they toss out their inturrpretations (sp) all the time so I remind them they worship false teeth as the Tooth Fairy is the one true[sup:1cze20si]TM[/sup:1cze20si] deity. :)
Quote from: "aitm"Oh, I get it. If you encounter a story that cannot be proven by physics one merely re-interprets the wording so that the physics can be applied. WOW! No wonder we have never figured it out, we simply didn't think outside the box.....far enough..
The mind is not a proven by physics. It comes under the Psycho sciences. Yes--you're thinking inside the box of a civilized mind. You'll have to step out of that to make it easier. This is not a dealing of normal thought patterns. JC was outside the box which got him killed. Yes--we are outside the box. People are trapped in the dark/middle age concept of reasoning. We aren't dealing with normal everyday stuff. :)
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I've found zero need to study a book that is loaded with bullshit. I'm surrounded by industrial strength bullshit where I live and they toss out their inturrpretations (sp) all the time so I remind them they worship false teeth as the Tooth Fairy is the one true[sup:yctt8zu2]TM[/sup:yctt8zu2] deity. :)
That's their interpretation not ours. Reconsider. :)
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Well this idea that the bible is actually valid and just misinterpreted is ......HOGWASH. The bible was written by men roughly 2000 years ago and its their ideas that are written in the bible. The bible is just as mythological as the unicorn and just as misguided. I don't like the fact that you would give any credibility to the bible by your "new" method. It has been tried before and it is just a bunch of crap. You can't pidgeon hole a work of mythology and make it fit science. As scientist (if indeed you are) wouldn't ever attempt such a thing. If you are really believe this crap you are doling out, submit the bible to the British Academy of Science, include all YOUR redefinitions. Lets see what they think of it. They won't even give you the time of day, that is unless they revoke your collective credentials.
Anyone can do what you all have done with anything. Lets take Grimms Farytales and do the same thing. See how utterly ridiculous that is?
Now if you are just joking around and I think that you just might, well haha, but I hope you aren't serious.
You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
I don't HAVE to be acquainted with your interpretation. I know how the bible was written and it was written by men. I know that they didn't have a clue about science and therefore ANY interpretation of the bible to fit science is not only wrong but unethical. Oh and BTW there are many words in Hebrew for "god". My jewish neighbor who happens to be a Rabbi told me that there are many words for god! So far you are far from factual about what you have written here. Adam not only knew god he communicated with him on a daily basis. Adam had no knowledge of self rule or of free thought. That is the great sin of man that he acquired knowledge of free thought, in the bible. So if you propose that the bible supports and encourages free thought, then you'd be wrong on yet another vital point.
The bible is not a book about the universe/mind/people/persons. The bible is a book of alagory. It is a book by men and about men that didn't venture on know about anything outside the roughly 25 miles that it eminated from. It is a collection of stories from many ancient cultures. It a book of fairytales. The concept of hell comes from the Egyption Book of the Dead. Even the thought of an afterlife comes from that book. The concept of the flood, the idea ofan earthbound god(son of god) that died and rose again came from ancient folklore far older than even the jews. In fact just reading your post reminds me of the conspiracy theorist that believe ancient aliens built the pyramids in Egypt, and South America. It's utter gibberish.
I challenge you to provide one single fact and provide imperical poof to support said fact that can and is independently varified.
I bet you can attribute the curse of King Tut to some hairbrained pseudo-scientific conspiracy.
So conspiracy theory tin foil hat wearing smurf, I have left your little tribe a challenge. Put all your little blue noggins together and solve that riddle, or go away.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I've found zero need to study a book that is loaded with bullshit. I'm surrounded by industrial strength bullshit where I live and they toss out their inturrpretations (sp) all the time so I remind them they worship false teeth as the Tooth Fairy is the one true[sup:2fw8lwzx]TM[/sup:2fw8lwzx] deity. :)
That's their interpretation not ours. Reconsider. :)
Someday when I write the holy Tooth Fairy scriptures let me know and you can have an advance copy the Smurfs[sup:2fw8lwzx]®[/sup:2fw8lwzx] can ponder. :)
By the way, Tooth Fairy and Her Dental Deity are always capitalized.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I've found zero need to study a book that is loaded with bullshit. I'm surrounded by industrial strength bullshit where I live and they toss out their inturrpretations (sp) all the time so I remind them they worship false teeth as the Tooth Fairy is the one true[sup:1vdc1rgg]TM[/sup:1vdc1rgg] deity. :)
That's their interpretation not ours. Reconsider. :)
Someday when I write the holy Tooth Fairy scriptures let me know and you can have an advance copy the Smurfs[sup:1vdc1rgg]®[/sup:1vdc1rgg] can ponder. :)
By the way, Tooth Fairy and Her Dental Deity are always capitalized.
And- Explain the difference between a human mind and an animal mind. See if it matches ours.
You're stuck on Euro trash thinking there;s is the only way---well, that's what you have going on in the world--their way. So then--Atheism (if you speak for the others--maybe not) is nothing more then whimpering and bawling about the world and religions with no way to fix it--right. Yes we know that. Yet you all undertake the same old same old and it's all the religions fault--is that it. BUT, where are any of you any different then those you blame or complain about. What do you have to offer as a solution to the worlds problem. if you are different and better then how are you different and better---we know you're not. IF, the world had only atheists how would it be different. Those claiming to be Christian but really aren't operate on the animal mind- and so do all others. How would your animal mind make things different then their animal mind. What makes you different from them? If you don't understand the problem or have a solution why harp about them. You say they are responsible for all the wars and deaths in the world---and you're not, right---if not what makes you different as not to do as they. If you are no different then they, wouldn't you cause the same. If not--why not. They go to church and you don't--but you still don't relate to one another any different then they. The animal mind is the problem--that's what PROPER and RIGHTFUL Christianity is about. Put away the animal mind and you have a different world. The Smurfs are Atheist too, but that doesn't mean that Christianity is void. Christianity is one's human side and is not Europeanism or the civilized mind. We are Atheist because there is no superhuman entity in the universe, no human or animal mind controlling the cosmos. We are not Deist nor Theist, and have no belief in any such thing and neither did Adam. Christianity is what a Human mind is--not animal mind. That's the book--the euros are wrong. If you think us wrong then dig into the book and prove it. It can't be proven to you unless you do. We can only tell you about it--you have to prove it--because proof lies within your own person. OK-put away the book---are you going to be Human or animal from now on. It's up to you not us. :)
Number one: There is no original bible. There are many different ones that are all ambiguous and open to many interpretations, so how does one know which one is correct? This is just on knew twist on religious interpretation that is like saying my BS is correct and all other BS is wrong. Before one can make logical arguments the facts have to be agreed upon, and they can't just be interpretations of irrational writings and ideas or mere opinions.
This whole thread is illogical and irrational BS as soon as the word mentioned was the bible. It is assumed the bible is the word of God and now God is called Force, and now Force is the Creator. It's all just another argument for God (Force) and shows atheists that don't believe in Force (God) are wrong. This is an original concept about God (Force.), but still incoherent, illogical, irrational, delusional and wrong. I think Deepek Chopra would accept this New Age BS, but I don't. Solitary
The Bible is hogwash. Historically? Noah's Ark is an impossibility, there is no evidence that the Israelis were held captive for 430 years or that 2+ million one day walked out of Egypt (there was a known census of about 10 million at that time. Somebody would've noticed) Nor anything like archaeological evidence of a large body of people wandering around a very small desert for 40 years. The evidence is that the Judeo-christian belief was descended from a polytheistic one to a monotheistic one, and that the Jews did not defeat the Canaanites, but WERE the Canaanites.
The modern bible was compiled almost 400 years after the fact, and compiled to meet the specifications of the body of men who compiled it. The later King James Bible happens to agree with King James's version of religion because he deemed it so. There is no possible way of knowing what exactly the source documents were, because they don't exist. No document earlier than about 80 ADE has ever been referenced.
Adam (Y chromosome Adam) is about 350,000 year old. do some DNA study. Mitochondrial Eve is much younger, about 230,000 or so years. We can trace our ancestry back genetically. They came from Africa, not the Middle East.
Christianity entered Europe on the backs of first Roman soldiers and then missionaries and the spread of the Catholic Church. some time between 400 ADE and 900 ADE, pretty much all of Europe was Catholicized. The original Bible was written in Latin primarily, although the Old Testament was translated from Aramaic and Hebrew into Greek, and then into Latin. The sacking of the Lindisfarne Priory (ADE 793) indicates the presence of Catholoicism in England, and anywhere other than Pagan-primarily Viking- countries, which submitted later.
Seriously, do some reading and google some of this.
QuoteAnd- Explain the difference between a human mind and an animal mind. See if it matches ours.
Size. Complexity. That's it. No other differences are known, and nothing we do is special in any way.
No offense but this guy seems somewhat incoherent in his posts. He uses the strangest metaphors to try to prove his opinions right, and he comes off as somewhat of an elitist when talking about his theories.
You'll get used to it. Most of 'em are like that.
QuoteAnd- Explain the difference between a human mind and an animal mind. See if it matches ours.
Not much explaining I can do, since humans ARE animals, therefor making both the same thing.
QuoteWhat do you have to offer as a solution to the worlds problem.
What does Christianity have?
Most modern religions don't offer many solutions for the world's problems, they have solutions to, "How do you want to stay out of Hell" problems? The solutions they do offer are secular in nature... love your neighbour, treat people how you wish to be treated (which predates Christianity by a good long while), stuff like that.
Also, atheism isn't some new European concept; and are you telling me my ancestors who were Jewish or pre-dated the Christian expansion into France, Italy, Spain, Germany and Ireland weren't "human" then?
Quote from: "Old Seer"We aren't dealing with normal everyday stuff.
you said a mouthful there brother.
Quote from: "Solitary"Number one: There is no original bible. There are many different ones that are all ambiguous and open to many interpretations, so how does one know which one is correct? This is just on knew twist on religious interpretation that is like saying my BS is correct and all other BS is wrong. Before one can make logical arguments the facts have to be agreed upon, and they can't just be interpretations of irrational writings and ideas or mere opinions.
This whole thread is illogical and irrational BS as soon as the word mentioned was the bible. It is assumed the bible is the word of God and now God is called Force, and now Force is the Creator. It's all just another argument for God (Force) and shows atheists that don't believe in Force (God) are wrong. This is an original concept about God (Force.), but still incoherent, illogical, irrational, delusional and wrong. I think Deepek Chopra would accept this New Age BS, but I don't. Solitary
The idea isn't to get you to believe, it's to give you the insights and you have to take it from there. Proof is found by those who take the time to look. We're not preachers or clergymen. We simply convey what we found and give it to others. There is a vast difference from the material interpretation. The spiritual is a different story. But--you have to investigate to find it true or not. Proof is what you find or don't find. If you don't look you won't find. You're stuck on Euro trash. Try ours --it will make sense. But-it will take a bit of time to see. Start with creation--is it material or spiritual. If one doesn't make sense try the other---which means you have to start over. :)
QuoteTry ours --it will make sense.
What great scientific of cultural achievements have come from your way of thinking?
Quote from: "Shiranu"QuoteAnd- Explain the difference between a human mind and an animal mind. See if it matches ours.
Not much explaining I can do, since humans ARE animals, therefor making both the same thing.
QuoteWhat do you have to offer as a solution to the worlds problem.
What does Christianity have?
Most modern religions don't offer many solutions for the world's problems, they have solutions to, "How do you want to stay out of Hell" problems? The solutions they do offer are secular in nature... love your neighbour, treat people how you wish to be treated (which predates Christianity by a good long while), stuff like that.
Also, atheism isn't some new European concept; and are you telling me my ancestors who were Jewish or pre-dated the Christian expansion into France, Italy, Spain, Germany and Ireland weren't "human" then?
Everyone has a human entity along with an animal entity. At any given moment one is either one or the other. The world's understanding of human is skewed. You can be human at one moment or animal the next. The idea is to stay with one. But to be successful the world at present will have to change. That's why there are no Christians--it can't be maintained as long as the present system is in power. The worlds system operates and depends on the animal premise. Ani9mal values are what creates the social problems. And the problems will remain as long as people don't understand what's animal or human. Cats, dogs, monkeys have a human and animal entity the same as us. All spiritual entities are the same.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"You aren't acquainted with our interpretation as yet. It will take time. It's a book of the mind/persons/people, not one of the material universe. Ultimately the book denotes "people" as God. Adam had no understanding of any God. The term is applied by the Euros. There's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
Oh no.......... this isn't going to be one of those "I'll explain it all to you bit by bit so you can see how wrong you are that there's no god" - is it? Cause we get that here sometimes and just to warn you - a condescending "I know more than you" [like the secrets to the universe type stuff] usually doesn't go over very well.
Just a heads up. But bring your game. (I guess) [1]
And why are your 'others' watching and not speaking for themselves? Quite frankly that's a little creepy.
[1] why are all my warning bells going off? Could it be I've seen this song&dance one time too many?
The others must remain anonymous. Or we'll undergo the same fate as JC. Not this time around, we're here to stay. If something happens to me another in time will take over. This is dangerous stuff. :)
We do not lord it over others-we left that world behind. I am here to inform, not be smarter than. We no longer belong to your world so we don't venture the same.
It will take a bit by bit--this is new. For some very hard to understand--at first. Others will see much sooner. Bit by bit will give you a chance to think of things---one thing at a time--- :)
Yeah - ok. At first I wondered but now I am convinced. You're completely full of crap. Go away.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteTry ours --it will make sense.
What great scientific of cultural achievements have come from your way of thinking?
This isn't about science it's about you and the values by which you relate to others. It would be the mental science that comes into play here. There are no cultural achievements to report --as yet. This is new and still needs to be understood by people. So far it's recreated us, the Smurfs. If it changes us it will change others. Putting away the animal mind creates a different person. But--be mindful of--it does not create a wimp. The social achievements are yet to happen. We've only undertaken to make this public a 1-1/2 years ago. The Hacker Smuffs say it is spreading---they are the watchmen. It is in all western countries and now found in the middle east. It won't happen overnight. It "will" be hard for most to accept. People have been trained to love the animal and find it hard to let it go. This is about changing "the self". If you want peace the animal mind has to be put away. It is the base of all social problems, even governments operate on it and unknowingly promote it. There's no such being as a human animal. Human is human--animal is animal--the two are not the same personage. :)
Ok, so no real effect on the world so far.
What measurable things would change in society if you'd have a million people believing as you do? Or 50 million?
And more importantly: why? And why is your way of thinking the only path to that change?
Quote from: "Old Seer"If you think us wrong then dig into the book and prove it. It can't be proven to you unless you do. We can only tell you about it--you have to prove it--because proof lies within your own person. OK-put away the book---are you going to be Human or animal from now on. It's up to you not us. :)
are you high? and you are making the claims...you provide the evidence and proof. not anyone else. does that really have to be explained? Sorry, stupid question...of course it does. You say you are a collection of 30 guys, some doctors...yeah ok, so I will ask again...are you high?
QuoteFor concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood.
i tried reading the entire thread to see if this was addressed but...
In your concept how can atheists be wrong and correct? it's just a lack of belief or rejection of evidence for the existence of something. You are either high or incredibly intellectually dishonest. people have said it before, you have taken terms and changed the definitions to make whatever you want them to be.
move along little doggy. you aren't going to achieve anything here but being hammered posting like this.
Quote from: "Old Seer"You're stuck on Euro trash thinking there;s is the only way---
Huh? You mean this?
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Quote from: "Plu"Ok, so no real effect on the world so far.
What measurable things would change in society if you'd have a million people believing as you do? Or 50 million?
And more importantly: why? And why is your way of thinking the only path to that change?
Ok--At present the world exists primarily on the animal values. Domination, superiority, seeking the advantage, greaters and lessers, power and authority over others, predatorism, etc. This is where the social problems and wars develop from. If that is put away you have a different world. Christianity is a person not living a life of animal venture. But that's not possible at this time. First-everyone has to understand the problem. The object of Christianity is to destroy civilization and replace it with the Human values that we all have. Civil governments operate on the animal entity and is the basis and forwarder of the problems. Animal cannot solve animal, and just creates more animal. Consider--the only possible thing the world needs saving from are---those running it, what or who else. The world's understanding of Human is false. It believes people are human animals---not so. We are both and they a separable. If one can separate the two (and one can) then each is it's own personality. You cannot get rid of the animal side of your being--but, one can choose not to live by it. as it is---no one can change because they don't know the difference because they are led to believe in the human-animal entity which is a lie. The ones running the world are what's wrong with it, They decide what is good and what is evil--right and wrong, and if they don't know themselves you have the mess that is present. Everyone is created to their specifications. It is they deciding social values. If one believes and follows them then one is part of the problem, and the problem becomes unsolvable, because people really don't know them self. a person knowing them self has the option of willful change. This is why you went to school--to be made to their specifications of their idea of what they say or think a "human" is. They're wrong- they're promoting the animal entity. That's not hard to understand, is it. Now you know what the problem is. :)
Your "problem" is also humanity's greatest and most effective way to progress. Taking all of it away is going to solve our problems the same way that nuclear war is; it will destroy civilization as we know it. And probably replace it with something else in the progress. But not a very nice thing for anyone to experience.
Seperating everyone into "animal" and "human" is too simple. As we've said above; there's no difference between an animal and a human except brain complexity. Our desire to excel at things; to be better than others is both the thing that drives us forward and that destroys us from within. But just removing it won't fix any problems, unless you consider a tribe of hairless gorillas to be a good endpoint.
QuoteThat's not hard to understand, is it. Now you know what the problem is
I understand that you are promoting a greater mankind through re assessment of what we consider ourselves to be and how that affects societal norms. My issue with your rather grand idea is that inherently, humans are stupid and ignorant. The vast majority right now are incapable of taking care of themselves without "leaders" to direct there energy and resources. It is not "common" people that take the reins or invent anything, the vastness of our multitudes are followers, plain and simple. They like to be sheep, they are not so much incapable of thinking for themselves but find the process to daunting and easily defer to who appear to be smarter or certainly "stronger" (either physically or mentally) as history has shown. We are pretty smart monkey's, but the long and short of it is we have to be shown how to do a job, as we aren't smart enough to connect the dots on our own.
In order for your new society to function, we need smarter people. Good luck with that.
Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Old Seer"If you think us wrong then dig into the book and prove it. It can't be proven to you unless you do. We can only tell you about it--you have to prove it--because proof lies within your own person. OK-put away the book---are you going to be Human or animal from now on. It's up to you not us. :)
are you high? and you are making the claims...you provide the evidence and proof. not anyone else. does that really have to be explained? Sorry, stupid question...of course it does. You say you are a collection of 30 guys, some doctors...yeah ok, so I will ask again...are you high?
QuoteFor concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood.
i tried reading the entire thread to see if this was addressed but...
In your concept how can atheists be wrong and correct? it's just a lack of belief or rejection of evidence for the existence of something. You are either high or incredibly intellectually dishonest. people have said it before, you have taken terms and changed the definitions to make whatever you want them to be.
move along little doggy. you aren't going to achieve anything here but being hammered posting like this.
I just found this thread, and there is already 6 pages. 6 pages of what? I'm not sure. I do confess, I read part of page one and thought, "This is going nowhere," so I skipped to page six to see if anything happened. I don't think I could bear to read through pages 2 through 5. But I've encountered these kinds of posters before. I try to ignore them. Life is too short. I don't want to spend much time on bullshit.
Quote from: "Plu"Your "problem" is also humanity's greatest and most effective way to progress. Taking all of it away is going to solve our problems the same way that nuclear war is; it will destroy civilization as we know it. And probably replace it with something else in the progress. But not a very nice thing for anyone to experience.
Seperating everyone into "animal" and "human" is too simple. As we've said above; there's no difference between an animal and a human except brain complexity. Our desire to excel at things; to be better than others is both the thing that drives us forward and that destroys us from within. But just removing it won't fix any problems, unless you consider a tribe of hairless gorillas to be a good endpoint.
That's the idea--to destroy civilization. If civil authority is of the animal entity (which it is) then it has to be destroyed to bring peace. What you are relating to is merely what you've been led to believe or been taught. We were brought up the same. It doesn't have to be this way. Once the people at large understand it will begin to change. That's our undertaking at present--to put it out there/here and let the people decide. As the book says--Christianity (the human entity) replaces all powers, principalities and authorities. The PP&A exists and operates from the animal mind. If the world is ever to be fixed the PP&A has to go. It is they that create and maintain things as they are. It is simple--as the book states--it's so simple a child can write it down. The people who wrote the book know exactly what they're writing about. The book is about things other then what it is thought to be. The book of Rev is about what happens when the people understand what the problem is about ans government floks are seen as fools. The book covers the institution of civil government with--"thinking themselves wise they became fools". That's what the writers of the book understood about civil government. Civilization is a liars paradise, and can only exist on the ignorance of the people, by lies and deceptions. That is why politicians are liars---it won't work any other way. In order to rule-you have to fool. :)
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Old Seer"If you think us wrong then dig into the book and prove it. It can't be proven to you unless you do. We can only tell you about it--you have to prove it--because proof lies within your own person. OK-put away the book---are you going to be Human or animal from now on. It's up to you not us. :)
are you high? and you are making the claims...you provide the evidence and proof. not anyone else. does that really have to be explained? Sorry, stupid question...of course it does. You say you are a collection of 30 guys, some doctors...yeah ok, so I will ask again...are you high?
QuoteFor concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood.
i tried reading the entire thread to see if this was addressed but...
In your concept how can atheists be wrong and correct? it's just a lack of belief or rejection of evidence for the existence of something. You are either high or incredibly intellectually dishonest. people have said it before, you have taken terms and changed the definitions to make whatever you want them to be.
move along little doggy. you aren't going to achieve anything here but being hammered posting like this.
I just found this thread, and there is already 6 pages. 6 pages of what? I'm not sure. I do confess, I read part of page one and thought, "This is going nowhere," so I skipped to page six to see if anything happened. I don't think I could bear to read through pages 2 through 5. But I've encountered these kinds of posters before. I try to ignore them. Life is too short. I don't want to spend much time on bullshit.
Keep looking--you'll get it, you're not stupid. It takes a bit. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Solitary"Number one: There is no original bible. There are many different ones that are all ambiguous and open to many interpretations, so how does one know which one is correct? This is just on knew twist on religious interpretation that is like saying my BS is correct and all other BS is wrong. Before one can make logical arguments the facts have to be agreed upon, and they can't just be interpretations of irrational writings and ideas or mere opinions.
This whole thread is illogical and irrational BS as soon as the word mentioned was the bible. It is assumed the bible is the word of God and now God is called Force, and now Force is the Creator. It's all just another argument for God (Force) and shows atheists that don't believe in Force (God) are wrong. This is an original concept about God (Force.), but still incoherent, illogical, irrational, delusional and wrong. I think Deepek Chopra would accept this New Age BS, but I don't. Solitary
The idea isn't to get you to believe, it's to give you the insights and you have to take it from there. Proof is found by those who take the time to look. We're not preachers or clergymen. We simply convey what we found and give it to others. There is a vast difference from the material interpretation. The spiritual is a different story. But--you have to investigate to find it true or not. Proof is what you find or don't find. If you don't look you won't find. You're stuck on Euro trash. Try ours --it will make sense. But-it will take a bit of time to see. Start with creation--is it material or spiritual. If one doesn't make sense try the other---which means you have to start over. :)
Like I said: "I don't." I'm not stuck on so-called Euro trash, I'm stuck on the reality of the world I live in, not some imaginary BS world. You are being incoherent. You are stuck on the mystery of unanswered questions and using the God of of gaps (force) to promote religious thinking and beliefs to make atheist appear to be stupid because they don't buy your incoherent drivel. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "aitm"QuoteThat's not hard to understand, is it. Now you know what the problem is
I understand that you are promoting a greater mankind through re assessment of what we consider ourselves to be and how that affects societal norms. My issue with your rather grand idea is that inherently, humans are stupid and ignorant. The vast majority right now are incapable of taking care of themselves without "leaders" to direct there energy and resources. It is not "common" people that take the reins or invent anything, the vastness of our multitudes are followers, plain and simple. They like to be sheep, they are not so much incapable of thinking for themselves but find the process to daunting and easily defer to who appear to be smarter or certainly "stronger" (either physically or mentally) as history has shown. We are pretty smart monkey's, but the long and short of it is we have to be shown how to do a job, as we aren't smart enough to connect the dots on our own.
In order for your new society to function, we need smarter people. Good luck with that.
No, they're not stupid--but they are ignorant. The system makes them that way. You are only supposed to know and be what they want. The ignorance of people allows the operators to keep operating. That's their goal--to maintain themselves( big ego trippers) as the "big guy". If you know anything else you are a danger to their existence--thats why "they" killed JC. I'll put it this way---we are trying to "unignorize" them. Become aware of yourself--and then you'll be aware of them. They won't like you very well. If you take on the human entity as life you will find yourself to be very different then they. Try it. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Keep looking--you'll get it
Not by looking at this thread.
Quote from: "Solitary"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Solitary"Number one: There is no original bible. There are many different ones that are all ambiguous and open to many interpretations, so how does one know which one is correct? This is just on knew twist on religious interpretation that is like saying my BS is correct and all other BS is wrong. Before one can make logical arguments the facts have to be agreed upon, and they can't just be interpretations of irrational writings and ideas or mere opinions.
This whole thread is illogical and irrational BS as soon as the word mentioned was the bible. It is assumed the bible is the word of God and now God is called Force, and now Force is the Creator. It's all just another argument for God (Force) and shows atheists that don't believe in Force (God) are wrong. This is an original concept about God (Force.), but still incoherent, illogical, irrational, delusional and wrong. I think Deepek Chopra would accept this New Age BS, but I don't. Solitary
The idea isn't to get you to believe, it's to give you the insights and you have to take it from there. Proof is found by those who take the time to look. We're not preachers or clergymen. We simply convey what we found and give it to others. There is a vast difference from the material interpretation. The spiritual is a different story. But--you have to investigate to find it true or not. Proof is what you find or don't find. If you don't look you won't find. You're stuck on Euro trash. Try ours --it will make sense. But-it will take a bit of time to see. Start with creation--is it material or spiritual. If one doesn't make sense try the other---which means you have to start over. :)
Like I said: "I don't." I'm not stuck on so-called Euro trash, I'm stuck on the reality of the world I live in, not some imaginary BS world. You are being incoherent. You are stuck on the mystery of unanswered questions and using the God of of gaps (force) to promote religious thinking and beliefs to make atheist appear to be stupid because they don't buy your incoherent drivel. :roll: Solitary
This is merely something you are not used to. You'll get it time. We know. No, you're not stupid. You're not putting things together as yet. Why would we as Atheists try to make Atheists look stupid. It will be a while for things to settle into understanding. It took us a while. This is something that takes time to assimilate. We are of no religion. We are what we made ourselves to be. We are free. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Plu"Your "problem" is also humanity's greatest and most effective way to progress. Taking all of it away is going to solve our problems the same way that nuclear war is; it will destroy civilization as we know it. And probably replace it with something else in the progress. But not a very nice thing for anyone to experience.
Seperating everyone into "animal" and "human" is too simple. As we've said above; there's no difference between an animal and a human except brain complexity. Our desire to excel at things; to be better than others is both the thing that drives us forward and that destroys us from within. But just removing it won't fix any problems, unless you consider a tribe of hairless gorillas to be a good endpoint.
That's the idea--to destroy civilization. If civil authority is of the animal entity (which it is) then it has to be destroyed to bring peace. What you are relating to is merely what you've been led to believe or been taught. We were brought up the same. It doesn't have to be this way. Once the people at large understand it will begin to change. That's our undertaking at present--to put it out there/here and let the people decide. As the book says--Christianity (the human entity) replaces all powers, principalities and authorities. The PP&A exists and operates from the animal mind. If the world is ever to be fixed the PP&A has to go. It is they that create and maintain things as they are. It is simple--as the book states--it's so simple a child can write it down. The people who wrote the book know exactly what they're writing about. The book is about things other then what it is thought to be. The book of Rev is about what happens when the people understand what the problem is about ans government floks are seen as fools. The book covers the institution of civil government with--"thinking themselves wise they became fools". That's what the writers of the book understood about civil government. Civilization is a liars paradise, and can only exist on the ignorance of the people, by lies and deceptions. That is why politicians are liars---it won't work any other way. In order to rule-you have to fool. :)
Hahaha. No. Bye.
This whole thread is horseshit. Go read Dick's VALIS trilogy, because this is essentially what you are posting here.
I'm done.
Being a member of the Smurf Group would be a lot more fun if everyone voted to spell their names backwards and agreed to address each other using the backwards spelling. It would be more like a secret fraternity or something.
Quote from: "frosty"No offense but this guy seems somewhat incoherent in his posts. He uses the strangest metaphors to try to prove his opinions right, and he comes off as somewhat of an elitist when talking about his theories.
Human mind and animal mind is not a theory--they are facts. They are you, me, and everyone else. There's no getting out of it. At any given instant you are one or the other---there is nothing else to be. You have to separate us from the present biblical interpretations. Our interpretation has little kin with the Euro. They are wrong. What's hard to understand about that. Whether you realize it or not-the Euro interpretation is what you're living under. It is they that decided what right and what's wrong, and you are all living within those interpretations. You are living their interpretation whether you admit it or not. You are a victim of their minds as they are the ones that created your society. You can kick the book all you want--but it's still what they created for you to live by. How are any of you exempt from their creation of society. Their interpretation is exactly what you all are doing. How do you say there's no God when you live by theirs. You are the same as they, correct. There's only one faction of Atheists that don't think as they--and that's us, the Smurffs. What makes us different then you or them---we don't live by the animal entity. If you live under the same entity as they---you have the same god as they. The only "other" way is--ours. If you say there's no God, then why live by theirs. Explain this. They extract their society from their idea of God and you all live and are the same. :)
QuoteHuman mind and animal mind is not a theory--they are facts.
:-k
No. No, they are not. You haven't even
tried to define the difference yet. So they're not facts just yet. You're missing the somewhat important "prove your claims" part.
This thread reads like copy pasta from a 70's fantasy novel.
Well, I did get something out of this thread. While I had heard the term Euro-trash before, I never bothered to look it up, but it has been used in this thread as if everyone should know what it is. Whether or not the self identified expert here uses it the same way, I don't know. But here is the definition I found, which I am posting so that everyone can be a bit more knowledgeable and address whatever the topic here is without appearing to be Euro-trash:
QuoteEURO-TRASH
A human sub-phylum characterized by its apparent affluence, worldliness, social affectation and addiction to fashion. Males are characterized by a semi-slovenly appearance (including half-shaven faces), greasy hair, rib-hugging shirts, tight jeans and loafers worn without socks. Women are easily distinguished by anorexia, over-bleached hair, gaudy jewelry, plastic surgery (particularly breast-enlargement) and their attachment to the male species. Both sexes greet each other with "air kisses," immediately speak of their last trip (often Paris, Rome, Majorca), spend hours at "see-and-be-seen" restaurants and exhibit a world-weariness and pained sense of irony.
Most of us probably don't actually qualify as Euro-trash. Apparently, you have to first inherit a shit load of money before they will even consider you.
Quote from: "TrueStory"This thread reads like copy pasta from a 70's fantasy novel.
well the babble is not a story about god and jesus, it was written by a "force" and if you read between the lines with a hefty liberal interpretation of what you want it to say, and I might add some generous doses of man made crazy juice, you can see why the authors wrote it like this so people who read it the first time would be confused and assume it was a religious text. The authors knew that we needed more time to gather the required knowledge and enlightenment to fully comprehend the truer message of.....er........whatever it is.
I can picture exactly the kind of stereotype this is referring to. However I don't know any of these people. Fortunately.
Quote from: "frosty"No offense but this guy seems somewhat incoherent in his posts. He uses the strangest metaphors to try to prove his opinions right, and he comes off as somewhat of an elitist when talking about his theories.
We call that "being a wanker." But he may also have a mental conditon.
Quote from: "SGOS"Well, I did get something out of this thread. While I had heard the term Euro-trash before, I never bothered to look it up, but it has been used in this thread as if everyone should know what it is. Whether or not the self identified expert here uses it the same way, I don't know. But here is the definition I found, which I am posting so that everyone can be a bit more knowledgeable and address whatever the topic here is without appearing to be Euro-trash:
QuoteEURO-TRASH
A human sub-phylum characterized by its apparent affluence, worldliness, social affectation and addiction to fashion. Males are characterized by a semi-slovenly appearance (including half-shaven faces), greasy hair, rib-hugging shirts, tight jeans and loafers worn without socks. Women are easily distinguished by anorexia, over-bleached hair, gaudy jewelry, plastic surgery (particularly breast-enlargement) and their attachment to the male species. Both sexes greet each other with "air kisses," immediately speak of their last trip (often Paris, Rome, Majorca), spend hours at "see-and-be-seen" restaurants and exhibit a world-weariness and pained sense of irony.
Most of us probably don't actually qualify as Euro-trash. Apparently, you have to first inherit a shit load of money before they will even consider you.
I used "Euro Trash' in context that their interpretations are trash and bogus. The Euro interpretation is what's dominant in the world presently. It doesn't work and is idiocy. Then--we have the other. It is for the receiver to comprehend and decide for the "self" if it's true or not. What's true for us may not be true for another. We aren't a government making true and false for others. We find the book is dealing with the spiritual rather then the material/physical. It is for the individual to find whether it be true or false. But one won't know until they study from the spiritual points. :)
I'm reasonably certain one can deduce just from your posts that your point is bunk, no study of any ancient tomes required. They're riddled with logical fallacies, dodging questions, presenting vague answers, and every other theistic "how to get out of having to realise I'm full of shit" trick in the book.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "frosty"No offense but this guy seems somewhat incoherent in his posts. He uses the strangest metaphors to try to prove his opinions right, and he comes off as somewhat of an elitist when talking about his theories.
We call that "being a wanker." But he may also have a mental conditon.
If you look it over carefully it will come together on it's own. You'll become a self teacher--it's unavoidable. Your intellect will automatically collate it for you. Once in the brain it won't leave---from that you will learn. We know. You have been given something you can deny but cannot control as to whether it be true or false---it will do it on it's own. Be patient with yourself---you have only yourself to loose. We are giving you mastery of your own mind/self as we have mastery of our own. :)
Quote from: "the_antithesis"We call that "being a wanker." But he may also have a mental conditon.
The psychological term for this well documented condition is: Being all full of yourself.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteHuman mind and animal mind is not a theory--they are facts.
:-k
No. No, they are not. You haven't even tried to define the difference yet. So they're not facts just yet. You're missing the somewhat important "prove your claims" part.
OK, how about you. Can you be anything other then humane or inhumane to another. Are you anyone different then animal or human to other people. From the humane is the human--from the inhumane is the animal. Can you be anything else---??? You are the proof, where else could it be. :)
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "the_antithesis"We call that "being a wanker." But he may also have a mental conditon.
The psychological term for this well documented condition is: Being all full of yourself.
The 3 Psycho Smurfs disagree. We're only trying to show you---not be super doopers.
we already understand--we're trying to get you to. What does that have to do with personals. :)
With the Biblical stuff alone I could believe this guy is delusional. The smurf stuff is too much, though. I call troll.
Quote from: "Old Seer"The 3 Psycho Smurfs disagree. We're only trying to show you---not be super doopers.
we already understand--we're trying to get you to. What does that have to do with personals. :)
What do you understand? You just use the term "god" to replace the already adequate word "authority." This is the kind of thing a particularly dim teenager comes up with and thinks it's deep when it's reverse side of a teaspoon shallow.
You have nothing to offer.
Go away.
Quote from: "Plu"I'm reasonably certain one can deduce just from your posts that your point is bunk, no study of any ancient tomes required. They're riddled with logical fallacies, dodging questions, presenting vague answers, and every other theistic "how to get out of having to realise I'm full of shit" trick in the book.
It's for you to decide--Is biblical creation material or spiritual. We can't decide it for you. If you don't agree--so be it. We're merely presenting the concept. A material interpretation is vastly different then a material one. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
People, people, people----------------everyone's animal side is showing. Now--do you understand the world's problem. Simple ain't it. :)
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "frosty"No offense but this guy seems somewhat incoherent in his posts. He uses the strangest metaphors to try to prove his opinions right, and he comes off as somewhat of an elitist when talking about his theories.
We call that "being a wanker." But he may also have a mental conditon.
Are you animal or human--or both---which one are you now---you decide. :)
Okay, so you're obviously a troll.
Let's break it down by the line. There's enough errors to be able to.
Quote from: "Old Seer"OK, how about you.
Irrelevant deflection. I'm not making any claims. My opinion is irrelevant to the truth of yours.
QuoteCan you be anything other then humane or inhumane to another.
False dichotomy. "humane" and "inhumane" are not binary, they're not even defined properly. They're entirely subjective. I can not only easily be both not humane and inhumane (simply by not acting towards someone at all), but I can also be both humane and inhumane at the same time by simply asking different people how they'd describe my actions.
QuoteAre you anyone different then animal or human to other people.
I don't even know what this means. As this very post is a response to my asking you to explain the claimed fact that there is a difference, you cannot use this line, because you're trying to describe things in the very term you're trying to prove. We've not yet established there's such a thing as "acting human" or "acting animal".
QuoteFrom the humane is the human--from the inhumane is the animal.
Animals are not inhumane, unless you've completely destroyed the words "humane" and "inhumane" completely and replaced them with something that not a single person would recognize.
QuoteCan you be anything else---???
You're still asking me whether I could be something else other than something that's not yet proven to exist; making this a non-sensical question.
QuoteYou are the proof, where else could it be. :)
If I'm the proof, your claim is debunked, because I'm no proof of your (
still un-explained and undefined) terms.
I suggest we lock this thread Mods. Old Seer is obviously a troll. He refuses to answer even one question.
Quote from: "Plu"You'll get used to it. Most of 'em are like that.
Heh, yeah most of them are like that, IRL and on forums. I've been on enough religious forums in the past, and even on the Internet in general, to know that indeed most are like him, with certain deviations.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I suggest we lock this thread Mods. Old Seer is obviously a troll. He refuses to answer even one question.
I can't create truth or false for you--you have to find that for yourselves. If you don't study or look---you won't find. IS, biblical creation spiritual or material. You have to find that for yourselves. I can't read the book for you. No one can prove the book right or wrong--YOU have to research for yourselves. You find it right or wrong for you. We are introducing the concept. It's up to you to find the concept right or wrong--there's no other book to compare it to. You have to undertake a study of the book to find out. What a fuss over something simple. A study of the Apostles will show that they are dealing with animal vs human concepts. Christianity is one's human side---everyone has it. The question is---can one live by it. That's up to the individual to find for them self. Am I suppose to prove to you that you have an animal entity. That,s for to you to see or not see. Where do you suggest I go to prove to you that you are an animal entity as well as a human entity. Does the president of the US have to tell you. You all are used to authorities doing your thinking for you. If they don't say---you don't know--is that it. It's up to you figure yourself out. Think for yourself. Choose one---animal or human--it's your choice. :)
Quote from: "frosty"Quote from: "Plu"You'll get used to it. Most of 'em are like that.
Heh, yeah most of them are like that, IRL and on forums. I've been on enough religious forums in the past, and even on the Internet in general, to know that indeed most are like him, with certain deviations.
Is--biblical creation spiritual or material. Those who say they are Christian say it's material, and none reason different--they are wrong. We say it's spiritual---that's a whole new ball game (so to speak). being "we" are correct--they're religion is as good as gone--get the idea. All religions are as good as gone. Atheism wins--if you would rather have it said that way. Wake up--- :)
By the way-- those saying they are Christians (which they're not) don't like us any more the you all here. They have no idea what Christianity actually is. They treat us the same as you all do.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you animal or human--or both---which one are you now---you decide. :)
See, this is the kind of convex teaspoon shallow drivel you've been spouting since you got here.
Go away.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you animal or human--or both---which one are you now---you decide. :)
See, this is the kind of convex teaspoon shallow drivel you've been spouting since you got here.
Go away.
Yes or no. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"I suggest we lock this thread Mods. Old Seer is obviously a troll. He refuses to answer even one question.
I can't create truth or false for you--you have to find that for yourselves. If you don't study or look---you won't find. IS, biblical creation spiritual or material. You have to find that for yourselves. I can't read the book for you. No one can prove the book right or wrong--YOU have to research for yourselves. You find it right or wrong for you. We are introducing the concept. It's up to you to find the concept right or wrong--there's no other book to compare it to. You have to undertake a study of the book to find out. What a fuss over something simple. A study of the Apostles will show that they are dealing with animal vs human concepts. Christianity is one's human side---everyone has it. The question is---can one live by it. That's up to the individual to find for them self. Am I suppose to prove to you that you have an animal entity. That,s for to you to see or not see. Where do you suggest I go to prove to you that you are an animal entity as well as a human entity. Does the president of the US have to tell you. You all are used to authorities doing your thinking for you. If they don't say---you don't know--is that it. It's up to you figure yourself out. Think for yourself. Choose one---animal or human--it's your choice. :)
No they aren't animal vs. human concepts moron. You are trying to redefine something and in defense of that fucked up interpretation you are trying to redefine everything else. Sayting things like "I can't read the book for you","No one can prove the book(meaning YOUR idea of it) right or wrong" is just a bunch of nonsense. YOU have to prove you assertion/theory. You have failed to do so, haven't even TRIED to do so. Don't try and shirk YOUR responsibility but putting the blame on everyone else for YOUR failure.
Okay You have a crackpot idea. You start shrouding yourself in some kind of fake childish club supposedly made up of credible scientist and experts(an apparent lie), you come on here and make this wild claim and now it is suppose to be OUR fault just because we want VALID credible facts and proof to support your hairbrained bullshit. Not by a longshot pal. You are fucked in the head. You need serious help.
Scientist us the scientific method to find answers to their theories. They don't just come up with a theory and try to shoehorn everything to fit that theory. They don't ignore obvious holes and incorrect invalid statements. They back up everything with REAL facts. You haven't provided ONE fact.
Heres the thing. Lets ASSUUUUUUME that your theory has legs. You need to first prove this AUTHORITY/GOD. Then you have to prove that this god actually had direct influence in writing the bible and what that god intend actually means what you say it means. You just can't keep saying that WE are ignoring our human side and only paying attention to our human side!!!!!! A human is just a TYPE of animal, not something completely different. So either get with it and do dudiligence or SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON. Take responsibility or GO AWAY!
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you animal or human--or both---which one are you now---you decide. :)
See, this is the kind of convex teaspoon shallow drivel you've been spouting since you got here.
Go away.
Yes or no. :)
You asked if YOU are suppose to prove that an animal vs. human side to everyone....WELL YEEEEAAHHH!!! You are suppose to do exactly that and far more! Holy shit batman that is exactly the requirement of anyone asserting a theory. I could say that there is a purple martian hiding behind the sun and demand that YOU prove it. That would be ridiculous, and that is what YOU are doing. If the christians hate as much as we do and noone is engaging into a meaningful conversation with you, then maybe it's you pal. Oh, BTW IT IS YOU!!!!!! You want a yes or no answer to a question that doesn't require a yes or no answer, because the question ISN'T VALID POOPHEAD!
Right, who left the asylum's door open?
Old Seer, bring some facts supporting your claims or shut up.
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TROLL
buh bye
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"I suggest we lock this thread Mods. Old Seer is obviously a troll. He refuses to answer even one question.
I can't create truth or false for you--you have to find that for yourselves. If you don't study or look---you won't find. IS, biblical creation spiritual or material. You have to find that for yourselves. I can't read the book for you. No one can prove the book right or wrong--YOU have to research for yourselves. You find it right or wrong for you. We are introducing the concept. It's up to you to find the concept right or wrong--there's no other book to compare it to. You have to undertake a study of the book to find out. What a fuss over something simple. A study of the Apostles will show that they are dealing with animal vs human concepts. Christianity is one's human side---everyone has it. The question is---can one live by it. That's up to the individual to find for them self. Am I suppose to prove to you that you have an animal entity. That,s for to you to see or not see. Where do you suggest I go to prove to you that you are an animal entity as well as a human entity. Does the president of the US have to tell you. You all are used to authorities doing your thinking for you. If they don't say---you don't know--is that it. It's up to you figure yourself out. Think for yourself. Choose one---animal or human--it's your choice. :)
No they aren't animal vs. human concepts moron. You are trying to redefine something and in defense of that fucked up interpretation you are trying to redefine everything else. Sayting things like "I can't read the book for you","No one can prove the book(meaning YOUR idea of it) right or wrong" is just a bunch of nonsense. YOU have to prove you assertion/theory. You have failed to do so, haven't even TRIED to do so. Don't try and shirk YOUR responsibility but putting the blame on everyone else for YOUR failure.
Okay You have a crackpot idea. You start shrouding yourself in some kind of fake childish club supposedly made up of credible scientist and experts(an apparent lie), you come on here and make this wild claim and now it is suppose to be OUR fault just because we want VALID credible facts and proof to support your hairbrained bullshit. Not by a longshot pal. You are fucked in the head. You need serious help.
Scientist us the scientific method to find answers to their theories. They don't just come up with a theory and try to shoehorn everything to fit that theory. They don't ignore obvious holes and incorrect invalid statements. They back up everything with REAL facts. You haven't provided ONE fact.
Heres the thing. Lets ASSUUUUUUME that your theory has legs. You need to first prove this AUTHORITY/GOD. Then you have to prove that this god actually had direct influence in writing the bible and what that god intend actually means what you say it means. You just can't keep saying that WE are ignoring our human side and only paying attention to our human side!!!!!! A human is just a TYPE of animal, not something completely different. So either get with it and do dudiligence or SHUT THE FUCK UP MORON. Take responsibility or GO AWAY!
You merely proved us right. The animal mind rules your world. Welcome to yourselves. Now you know. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"You merely proved us right.
No. You prove us right, wanker.
Go away.
Quote from: "Old Seer"
You merely proved us right. The animal mind rules your world. Welcome to yourselves. Now you know. :)[/quote] said by Old Seer[/color]Yea right as if that makes any sense. Look, I've spelled it out for several times. Many of us have. All you have to do is PROVE what you assert to be true. Just making your assertion over and over again ISN'T PROOF goofball! So exit your INSECT brain and step up to the plate and show emperical proof that can and is independently varified!
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"
You merely proved us right. The animal mind rules your world. Welcome to yourselves. Now you know. :)
Yea right as if that makes any sense. Look, I've spelled it out for several times. Many of us have. All you have to do is PROVE what you assert to be true. Just making your assertion over and over again ISN'T PROOF goofball! So exit your INSECT brain and step up to the plate and show emperical proof that can and is independently varified![/quote]
The previous post is empirical proof. And--yours also. Now-- there's the other, try it and you'll have the proof. The only material/physical proof is if someone deliberately/cognitively harms another, because---that would merely be an extension of the animal mind, because--the action proves the mind. The body is an instrument of the mind, the animal mind initiates harm upon another--the human mind doesn't--try it--you can do it. Repost and see if you can do it differently. Proof has to come from you. From the animal comes the inhumane, from the human comes the humane. No one is exempt. :)
I have determined I am not high enough for this guy to make sense.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I have determined I am not high enough for this guy to make sense.
ahhh.......indeed shir.....that is both our problems.....
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Shiranu"I have determined I am not high enough for this guy to make sense.
ahhh.......indeed shir.....that is both our problems.....
Over time and now that it is pointed out to you-you will become aware of your mind and the mind of others. You are having problems with it because you are brought up in Western civil thinking. The western mind doesn't fit the book because it's middle eastern. Onr item that we came across that really helped is--the book isn't written as English literature, and that's how westerners read it. For instance--there are three creations in Genesis--the creation page and---these are the generation of Adam in the day that the lord god created him etc--that is the same as the 7 days--it's a different thought process of the same. The other is--these are the generations of the heavens ans the earth etc, the same as the 7 days expressed differently. This book can't be understood very well in the western mind until one gets a handle on how the ancients expressed and labeled things (we had problems with it also). The book also (of course) contains Hebrew history which is mostly useless in understanding what the new testament is about. There are a few things that apply but really isn't needed for the new testament. If you look at the Apostles one can see that they tie much to creation and "the beginning". The beginning is the key to understanding the true nature of Christianity. What we have here is a book written by people who understood the consequences of how people are thinking-and it's ultimate outcome---disaster. What they're trying to do is give info so that disaster can be avoided or survived. Consider that Psychiatrists do that today--weigh how a person is thinking and determine the outcome of a particular thought line. Over-all the book is quite simple, but id one isn't onto the books thought line it's hard to understand. The Pope is not in the books thought line. No claimed to be Christian religion is. :)
Okay we have wasted enough time on this asshole.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Okay we have wasted enough time on this asshole.
Just use the ignore button. Tis bliss.
Here we go again in its arrogance, the Western mind can't understand the Eastern mind. Just like the Eastern mind can't understand Buddha's original teachings or quantum mechanics and come up with mystical BS. :roll: Solitary
I may be wrong, but I have the feeling this clown is the sockpuppet of another dumb poster "Xerographica".
Same style, same arrogance, same walls of alphabet soup repeated over and over... only the topic is different, although we can see the same attacks to governments as in the case of the other poster. I wouldn't be surprised if this clown was trying to use another angle to push his/her agenda...
I'm in favor of the banhammer by now. He's not responding to anything anyway.
In my honest view I think this user is simply a huge troll. There is no way anybody can be this incoherent and gibberish without being on large amounts of medication and/or confined to an institution. So falling back on giving him the benefit of the doubt, it seems he is a troll that is having a fun time with what he's doing.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Over time and now that it is pointed out to you-you will become aware of your mind and the mind of others. You are having problems with it because you are brought up in Western civil thinking. The western mind doesn't fit the book because it's middle eastern. Onr item that we came across that really helped is--the book isn't written as English literature, and that's how westerners read it. For instance--there are three creations in Genesis--the creation page and---these are the generation of Adam in the day that the lord god created him etc--that is the same as the 7 days--it's a different thought process of the same. The other is--these are the generations of the heavens ans the earth etc, the same as the 7 days expressed differently. This book can't be understood very well in the western mind until one gets a handle on how the ancients expressed and labeled things (we had problems with it also). The book also (of course) contains Hebrew history which is mostly useless in understanding what the new testament is about. There are a few things that apply but really isn't needed for the new testament. If you look at the Apostles one can see that they tie much to creation and "the beginning". The beginning is the key to understanding the true nature of Christianity. What we have here is a book written by people who understood the consequences of how people are thinking-and it's ultimate outcome---disaster. What they're trying to do is give info so that disaster can be avoided or survived. Consider that Psychiatrists do that today--weigh how a person is thinking and determine the outcome of a particular thought line. Over-all the book is quite simple, but id one isn't onto the books thought line it's hard to understand. The Pope is not in the books thought line. No claimed to be Christian religion is. :)
Interesting. Do go on.
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Quote from: "mykcob4"Okay we have wasted enough time on this asshole.
Just use the ignore button. Tis bliss.
Yes you can understand the eastern mind--it just takes getting used to. Case in point----The Iraq war recently. The main problem was the US didn't understand the culture and lost their asses. The US didn't win it. Search out US Marine General Anthony Zinni and what he had to say. Being a US Marine myself I can say from being in touch with Marine forums---this was the most stupid thing the US has done since Veit Nam. Also look up Marine General Smedly Butler--You'll get the notion Marines aren't combat stupid. :)
Quote from: "frosty"In my honest view I think this user is simply a huge troll. There is no way anybody can be this incoherent and gibberish without being on large amounts of medication and/or confined to an institution. So falling back on giving him the benefit of the doubt, it seems he is a troll that is having a fun time with what he's doing.
What's a troll??? Apparently it's someone not agreed with. We're not looking to be agreed with--we are letting off insights for you all to use or throw. No one here is stupid-we don't work that way. :)
Quotewe are letting off [s:3utux9er]insights[/s:3utux9er] bullshit for you all to use or throw.
Quote from: "Old Seer"we are letting off insights for you all to use or throw.
When will we get our first insight?
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Old Seer"Over time and now that it is pointed out to you-you will become aware of your mind and the mind of others. You are having problems with it because you are brought up in Western civil thinking. The western mind doesn't fit the book because it's middle eastern. Onr item that we came across that really helped is--the book isn't written as English literature, and that's how westerners read it. For instance--there are three creations in Genesis--the creation page and---these are the generation of Adam in the day that the lord god created him etc--that is the same as the 7 days--it's a different thought process of the same. The other is--these are the generations of the heavens ans the earth etc, the same as the 7 days expressed differently. This book can't be understood very well in the western mind until one gets a handle on how the ancients expressed and labeled things (we had problems with it also). The book also (of course) contains Hebrew history which is mostly useless in understanding what the new testament is about. There are a few things that apply but really isn't needed for the new testament. If you look at the Apostles one can see that they tie much to creation and "the beginning". The beginning is the key to understanding the true nature of Christianity. What we have here is a book written by people who understood the consequences of how people are thinking-and it's ultimate outcome---disaster. What they're trying to do is give info so that disaster can be avoided or survived. Consider that Psychiatrists do that today--weigh how a person is thinking and determine the outcome of a particular thought line. Over-all the book is quite simple, but id one isn't onto the books thought line it's hard to understand. The Pope is not in the books thought line. No claimed to be Christian religion is. :)
Interesting. Do go on.
Seek and you shall find, knock and it will be opened to you, ask and you shall receive.
Christianity is the oldest known religion. It starts with Adam, the original beliefs of the ancient Hebrews. They studied the mind and it's consequences-- they were the first known Psycho annalists. The Smurfs are now the same. Adam is a mental entity not a body. Adam is formed from one of the migrations of the African Bushmen that settled in the Tigress-Euphrates rivers region. They were as any other on the planet at that time. They studied the self, and found the animal vs human mental condition. They choose the human-and this is what made the Adamites different from all others. They understood the mental conditions of people and elected to be human (it's a choice). The worlds idea of "Human" is not the same as theirs. The religion (if one can call it that) is belief in the human entity itself, and live accordingly--that makes Adam a particular mental state and has nothing to do with a body other then the body is needed to support the person/mind. One's Human mentality is the same as Christianity--putting the animal mind aside in social relations creates one to be as Adam, and was the mission of JC who had a clear knowledge of Adam, and is the same but with additions and improvements. The book is about the person/mind not the body. it's the mental condition that is the world's problem. We are re-instating the "original" concept of "human". The world's idea is skewed to fit civilizations idea of human--which technically, isn't. The fall of the Adamites came about by going back to what they were previous perpetrated by Nimrod (the liar) who in essence fooled people into believing they could be humanly animal. That's a lie--it's impossible. This is why the world is have such problems with itself. :)
QuoteChristianity is the oldest known religion.
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
[Citation needed]
Yes---Force. All that is force. The Force isn't going to guide your weapons for you--it has to be aimed with a hit of miss as anything else. If the missile was launched by the Euros. There's no material creation going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there. This is the study of those forces which are material/physical force and what is derived from the animal mind. It is a person minus the animal mind. It is a God. We believe in life. life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is what the book is for--to eliminate all powers, principalities, and authorities, which includes all governments up to and including the US government. In day 1--Let there be light = enlightenment, not sunlight. Biblical creation is a God. We believe in life. My son was a Star Wars movie at one time. The comment had to do with the idea) Maybe so. Bear in mind- that you also exert force/the cosmic imperative with intelligence. Think about that. Evolution has created something unique. Not just something force acts upon, but something that can reason a force, or to be God over them. God is you, me or anything or one else. Look around you and in you. Can you deny that you are god if you rule others. God is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are being ruled and not ruling.If you go by the person is God then God launched the missile. Unless the missile was launched by the Euro interpretation-yes, by ours-no. That's what the book is about, and not what the book denotes people as God. Adam had no understanding of these is Christianity, one is subject to. That which creates and rules. All are subject it. The book is about. Civilizations operates on the animal mind and this the problem.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "frosty"In my honest view I think this user is simply a huge troll. There is no way anybody can be this incoherent and gibberish without being on large amounts of medication and/or confined to an institution. So falling back on giving him the benefit of the doubt, it seems he is a troll that is having a fun time with what he's doing.
What's a troll??? Apparently it's someone not agreed with. We're not looking to be agreed with--we are letting off insights for you all to use or throw. No one here is stupid-we don't work that way. :)
Yanno a year ago I'd have explained to you where you went wrong and why what you're selling isn't going over so well here............. but now I just don't bother. I said "No" and "Go away" back on page 2 or 3. Others cut to the chase as well. Mostly because reading crap is just irritating. When you don't think you can cure mankind using the bible AND when you're done being a condescending prick - come back and be a
member of the forum.
one note of advice: Speaking of yourself in the third person like you're some sort of royalty is really annoying and you sound horrible doing it. You should stop. That sort of thing Never works with smart people. Never. For someone who thinks they have all the answers you're dumber than a box of rocks, quite frankly. But maybe the bible doesn't teach people-skills?
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
You'll all notice--through this entire carrying on I remained "Human". It is possible. And your input is telling me you all can't be. Yes you can, you don't want to be. Your animal mind is where you extract your fun. That's common in the world, we're not surprised.
You don't have to read any of my posts. The intent is that I be here only for a short while. It doesn't take a genius to understand any of this. We can't be fooled---you're not stupid and we know it. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"You'll all notice--through this entire carrying on I remained "Human". It is possible. And your input is telling me you all can't be. Yes you can, you don't want to be. Your animal mind is where you extract your fun. That's common in the world, we're not surprised.
You don't have to read any of my posts. The intent is that I be here only for a short while. It doesn't take a genius to understand any of this. We can't be fooled---you're not stupid and we know it. :)
You come to an Atheist forum and type "the atheist is wrong....there IS a god" and then wonder why your condescending bullshit doesn't go over well and we don't just lap it up?
You're correct about one thing and one thing only: We aren't stupid.
Move along little donkey........... move along. You have nothing new. No evidence. No proof. Nada. If you did - you'd have shared it by now. What you Do have is opinion and conjecture and nothing we've not seen before.
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QuoteYou'll all notice--through this entire carrying on I remained "Human".
We logically cannot notice this; you've never properly explained what "Human" and "Animal"
are.
This sentence carries out about as much information as "As you see this entire thread is aeluoirhsdlkfjgsdfgsdfg."
QuoteIt doesn't take a genius to understand any of this.
You're right, instead it takes a mad-man.
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Fuckkit:
Here. Let me help you out.
(1) Coming to an atheist forum and typing up words like "the atheist is wrong" is straight up stupid. What were you thinking? You've approached a group who clearly does NOT invite authority nor adheres to authority and told them they are wrong to NOT accept authority. How stupid can you be?
(2) You've provided NO evidence that your theories hold any water. None. Why should anyone here listen to you?
(3) No matter where you go (here or other stops along the internet highway) you're not going to come across well because you are condescending. Arrogantly so.
so........
You've No message that holds any water (nor any sort of fascination really), you're arrogantly trying to shove it down our throat, you've not proven yourself a valuable forum member, (only stopping by to bequeath your knowledge upon us) and you call US animals?
right.
Here's how forums for intelligent people work:
(1) Establish yourself as a member of the forum FIRST before you pitch ideals or theories.
(2) Discuss ideals and theories - ie you answer questions put to you and place VALUE upon that input.
(3) Never condescend to people you do not know. That's where the definition of "troll" comes in. The world is full of trolls - don't just be another one.
(4) Perfect your claims - ie gather evidence for that which you posit Prior to pitching your thoughts to a group.
You're welcome.
Quote from: "Jason78"Yes---Force. All that is force. The Force isn't going to guide your weapons for you--it has to be aimed with a hit of miss as anything else. If the missile was launched by the Euros. There's no material creation going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there-it's out of sync with physics/physical law. The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there. This is the study of those forces which are material/physical force and what is derived from the animal mind. It is a person minus the animal mind. It is a God. We believe in life. life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is also force. No sense in worshiping life -as life is what the book is for--to eliminate all powers, principalities, and authorities, which includes all governments up to and including the US government. In day 1--Let there be light = enlightenment, not sunlight. Biblical creation is a God. We believe in life. My son was a Star Wars movie at one time. The comment had to do with the idea) Maybe so. Bear in mind- that you also exert force/the cosmic imperative with intelligence. Think about that. Evolution has created something unique. Not just something force acts upon, but something that can reason a force, or to be God over them. God is you, me or anything or one else. Look around you and in you. Can you deny that you are god if you rule others. God is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are being ruled and not ruling.If you go by the person is God then God launched the missile. Unless the missile was launched by the Euro interpretation-yes, by ours-no. That's what the book is about, and not what the book denotes people as God. Adam had no understanding of these is Christianity, one is subject to. That which creates and rules. All are subject it. The book is about. Civilizations operates on the animal mind and this the problem.
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Old Seer appears to be insane, but he is merely stupid. We are animals that have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills, but he thinks he isn't an animal because he doesn't have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills and just has faith. Being Delusional is a form of mental illness, so he is mentally ill and stupid, or just being a self righteous ass. We should feel sorry for him because he is going to need the best of luck in life being an animal that doesn't have sound reasoning skills thinking all he needs is faith in an invisible magic man in the heavens. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Old Seer appears to be insane, but he is merely stupid. We are animals that have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills, but he thinks he isn't an animal because he doesn't have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills and just has faith. Being Delusional is a form of mental illness, so he is mentally ill and stupid, or just being a self righteous ass. We should feel sorry for him because he is going to need the best of luck in life being an animal that doesn't have sound reasoning skills thinking all he needs is faith in an invisible magic man in the heavens. :roll: Solitary
So **we** think his **we** crap is stupid - eh?
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Yanno I always find it so funny when theists are so proud of themselves for not getting guttural. When they cannot understand that covering up bullshit like cake icing is Still covering up bullshit. Flashy or flowering language makes one an expert of anything - Not. :rollin:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Solitary"Old Seer appears to be insane, but he is merely stupid. We are animals that have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills, but he thinks he isn't an animal because he doesn't have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills and just has faith. Being Delusional is a form of mental illness, so he is mentally ill and stupid, or just being a self righteous ass. We should feel sorry for him because he is going to need the best of luck in life being an animal that doesn't have sound reasoning skills thinking all he needs is faith in an invisible magic man in the heavens. :roll: Solitary
So **we** think his **we** crap is stupid - eh?
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Wrong-- we made the choice to leave the animal behind and resort to human relations. It's simple. Why does this bother anyone. I'm not saying or requiring anyone else do the same.
Now then--if you read the rules of the forum you'll find that you are required to treat others with respect and courtesies, is that not the case. The forum operators are asking only that you regard others "Humanly". They're asking you to make the choice, right. so how is it that you don't know what a human is. If you don't it's impossible for you to obey the rules. Simple ain't it. Think about that. I'm only giving an example in this case. Animal process would be against the rules. Why is it I'm the one that understands the rules. :)
You are funny in a sad way, like many theists. Lots of words, but none of them you're willing to share the meaning of, just to make sure that nobody can actually pin you down on actually saying anything. It's a great way to keep producing content without running the risk of ever having to say anything.
Quote from: "Solitary"Old Seer appears to be insane, but he is merely stupid. We are animals that have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills, but he thinks he isn't an animal because he doesn't have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills and just has faith. Being Delusional is a form of mental illness, so he is mentally ill and stupid, or just being a self righteous ass. We should feel sorry for him because he is going to need the best of luck in life being an animal that doesn't have sound reasoning skills thinking all he needs is faith in an invisible magic man in the heavens. :roll: Solitary
The Psycho Smurfs say-- civilization is an accepted form of insanity. 1- the system confiscates you as a child and promotes you to be an animal "they" can control. 2- make laws to cage the animal they promote to adjust to what degree and means one is allowed to the animal it promotes. Why not take charge of your own mind/self. How can you be in control of yourself when they created you to be controlled by them. All they want is economic entities---that's not human. They made you to be like themselves, only they want to be the boss and have you convinced you need them to regulate you. And you don't recognize this form of insanity--right. Well, now you do. be free. But you as we have to wait until it's taken away. Why do you accept then as God and not yourself. God is nothing more then that which rules. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Wrong-- we made the choice to leave the animal behind and resort to human relations. It's simple. Why does this bother anyone. I'm not saying or requiring anyone else do the same.
Now then--if you read the rules of the forum you'll find that you are required to treat others with respect and courtesies, is that not the case. The forum operators are asking only that you regard others "Humanly". They're asking you to make the choice, right. so how is it that you don't know what a human is. If you don't it's impossible for you to obey the rules. Simple ain't it. Think about that. I'm only giving an example in this case. Animal process would be against the rules. Why is it I'm the one that understands the rules. :)
So either English isn't your first language or you're just a child. Round here when we ask questions we follow those with question marks. Tale-tell signs of the ridiculous are proven with each and every post you make. Keep going. You're just going to get funnier for sure.
The pouting over mistreatment is very typical. So grab your wagon and labeled bottles, snake-oil man, and get thee back to the street corner holding that cardboard sign. The internet is no place for you.
Edit:
Word of advice - just because you think the internet is the fastest way to get your **cough** wisdom out to mankind doesn't mean you are good at it. Study internet techniques next time before you go pitching your ideals. See my previous message(s) on your behavior here thus far. There's help there for you IF you're not too full of yourself to grasp it all.
Quote from: "Plu"You are funny in a sad way, like many theists. Lots of words, but none of them you're willing to share the meaning of, just to make sure that nobody can actually pin you down on actually saying anything. It's a great way to keep producing content without running the risk of ever having to say anything.
I'm, not a Theist or Deist. What we have here is one way minds. Why are you all so hateful---for what. It doesn't make sense--and you all think "we're" insane---nada. OK- here's a meaning--Human means "Humane". One can't be Human unless one is Humane. I doubt you'll accept that--because you don't want to. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Plu"You are funny in a sad way, like many theists. Lots of words, but none of them you're willing to share the meaning of, just to make sure that nobody can actually pin you down on actually saying anything. It's a great way to keep producing content without running the risk of ever having to say anything.
I'm, not a Theist or Deist. What we have here is one way minds. Why are you all so hateful---for what. It doesn't make sense--and you all think "we're" insane---nada. OK- here's a meaning--Human means "Humane". One can't be Human unless one is Humane. I doubt you'll accept that--because you don't want to. :)
So reading comprehension is difficult for you? Try reading THEN responding to posts typed
to you. That's how forums work. You plugging onward with your own little agenda is Not interesting enough. You dig?
Hateful? I don't think anyone here feels anything other than amusement and perhaps pity towards you. And since you've claimed that "Animal" is "Inhumane", I obviously cannot blindly assume that if I look in the dictionary for "Humane" I get the definition you're using. So you'll have to define a bunch more stuff before we can get anywhere sensical.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Wrong-- we made the choice to leave the animal behind and resort to human relations. It's simple. Why does this bother anyone. I'm not saying or requiring anyone else do the same.
Now then--if you read the rules of the forum you'll find that you are required to treat others with respect and courtesies, is that not the case. The forum operators are asking only that you regard others "Humanly". They're asking you to make the choice, right. so how is it that you don't know what a human is. If you don't it's impossible for you to obey the rules. Simple ain't it. Think about that. I'm only giving an example in this case. Animal process would be against the rules. Why is it I'm the one that understands the rules. :)[
So either English isn't your first language or you're just a child. Round here when we ask questions we follow those with question marks. Tale-tell signs of the ridiculous are proven with each and every post you make. Keep going. You're just going to get funnier for sure.
The pouting over mistreatment is very typical. So grab your wagon and labeled bottles, snake-oil man, and get thee back to the street corner holding that cardboard sign. The internet is no place for you.
Edit:
Word of advice - just because you think the internet is the fastest way to get your **cough** wisdom out to mankind doesn't mean you are good at it. Study internet techniques next time before you go pitching your ideals. See my previous message(s) on your behavior here thus far. There's help there for you IF you're not too full of yourself to grasp it all.
Yes-- We "know- not think" the internet is the fastest way to get things done. We also know it's working and serving the purpose. Hacker Smurfs are always busy. You fret over question marks, why. I don't need a question mark to recognize a question, why do you---because you are trained to do as programed---take charge of yourself and don't rent your brain out to anyone. But as previously stated--I only here for a short while. You're confusing free mind mind with--full of yourself. Happiness is only a smile away--try it. -------> :)
Quote from: "Plu"Hateful? I don't think anyone here feels anything other than amusement and perhaps pity towards you. And since you've claimed that "Animal" is "Inhumane", I obviously cannot blindly assume that if I look in the dictionary for "Humane" I get the definition you're using. So you'll have to define a bunch more stuff before we can get anywhere sensical.
OK--go to the dictionary and look it up. Take a look at animalism also. You'll find there are separate definitions of both human and animal. We use the one that defines animal as --brutuish, abrasive, low character, disrespectful of others etc. You'll find dictionaries have more or less definitions, so look in a few not just one. You'll find there is a physical one--and a mental one. Now we're getting somewhere here. :)
When using words with multiple meanings that are causing problems, it's helpful to stop using them and use more specific terms to avoid unintentional equivocation. In this case, one might say 'brutish' instead of 'animalistic' or 'kind' instead of 'human'.
Quote from: "Old Seer"You fret over question marks, why. I don't need a question mark to recognize a question, why do you-
Proper punctuation and grammar would make your posts legible, and convey your meaning and intent rather than leaving it open to interpretation.
Your "wall of text" posting style and the mode of voice that you employ in your writing makes it difficult to decipher anything you say.
How about responding to posts directed to you on either
(1) your agenda here
or
(2) your behavior here
?
How about responding to those posts? We don't explain ourselves to You - it's the other way around.
Yapping of "animal' and your inference to your mistreatment here is soooo very typical of trolls when their little agendas are not lapped up. Good Lord we've seen this How Many Times here?
OR
You could just get on with it:
Why are you here? What are you selling and why?
Why should members here pay attention to *your* version/translation of the bible?
Why?
See how questions work?
Quote from: "Plu"Hateful? I don't think anyone here feels anything other than amusement and perhaps pity towards you.
I feel a strange sense of curiosity. Kinda like that time I caught a bee flying around my home and I had to look it up in an entomology guide to find out exactly what type of critter it was.
I kinda feel the same way about Old Seer. We've caught a strange kind of animal wandering through our forum, and now we're studying it to find out if it possesses any kind of intelligence.
Okay, I totally believe you are confused enough to actually believe anything you say actually means anything - and I do mean anything - while it obviously doesn't.
What I'm having difficulty with is your claim that multiple people worked on this for over 40 years.
I mean Really?
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"When using words with multiple meanings that are causing problems, it's helpful to stop using them and use more specific terms to avoid unintentional equivocation. In this case, one might say 'brutish' instead of 'animalistic' or 'kind' instead of 'human'.
Thank you. Hmmm, I'm going to have a problem with that as I'm used to the way I express things, nature does programing on it's own.
I noticed the insight by Sabrina. Outstanding observation and very similar if not that same as ours. Proper Christianity depends on Atheism. In actual Christianity there is no God separate of people, none other is required. But--the forces of natural physics is also seen as god but not attached to a personage. IE- the wind--has an effect on one;s life but is not a person--but is still can be a governing force. What Christianity deals with is--one's person is God--IE Adam or us/people.
Now I get it. Old Seer is really some insane person that suffers from multipersonality disorder among other psychological ailments. He names each one of them as a type of Smurf. The truth is he is a Troll Smurf, posing as a person with some "secret info" that "We animals" just don't get.
Since all lost cause gravitate to evangelical organizatons, he justifies that association(even though he has disassociative disorder) by redefining everything. Since his only association has given him a bible to solidify their demand of obedience on him, he justifies the bible by inventing a new and wacked out definition.
So then SillyAssSmurf finds an Atheist forum to spew his redefinition to, because his new lord & masters won't accept his redefinitions. Redefining the bible is the sole domain of the church leaders and he is obviously not one of those.
But, he has a need for his psychosis. He has to act upon his mental disorder. Since his evangelical associates have demanded that he conform to their "authority", he compensates for coming on this forum and redefining the term "authority". Since they "force" their "authority" on him, he acts out his mental problem here by redefining "force"!
Psychologically Old Seer has inner turmoil. He is extremely conflicted. He needs friends, but his disassociative disorder prevents that. He needs structure so he looks to the one great scam of humanity for that structure....the bible/religion. He can't quite accept the bullshit that they have laid on him, so he invents a fantasy world, and since he watches reruns of old cartoons, that world is Smurfland.
The problem he comes on this forum knowing full well that the people here are intelligent, educated, and have freedom of thought. 3 things that he sorely lacks and can never obtain. So he tries very hard to appear smart, by giving himself credentials that is obvious to the most casual observer that he doesn't have.
I say Force smorf, authority smurfthority. He is full of shit, his theory is nothing other than a mental dillussion, there is only one smurf except for the ones in his head. And quite frankly when his mom finds out he has been on the computer these last couple of days, there is going to hell to pay. He probably won't be able to watch the smurfs for a week or so.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Fuckkit:
Here. Let me help you out.
(1) Coming to an atheist forum and typing up words like "the atheist is wrong" is straight up stupid. What were you thinking? You've approached a group who clearly does NOT invite authority nor adheres to authority and told them they are wrong to NOT accept authority. How stupid can you be?
(2) You've provided NO evidence that your theories hold any water. None. Why should anyone here listen to you?
(3) No matter where you go (here or other stops along the internet highway) you're not going to come across well because you are condescending. Arrogantly so.
so........
You've No message that holds any water (nor any sort of fascination really), you're arrogantly trying to shove it down our throat, you've not proven yourself a valuable forum member, (only stopping by to bequeath your knowledge upon us) and you call US animals?
right.
Here's how forums for intelligent people work:
(1) Establish yourself as a member of the forum FIRST before you pitch ideals or theories.
(2) Discuss ideals and theories - ie you answer questions put to you and place VALUE upon that input.
(3) Never condescend to people you do not know. That's where the definition of "troll" comes in. The world is full of trolls - don't just be another one.
(4) Perfect your claims - ie gather evidence for that which you posit Prior to pitching your thoughts to a group.
You're welcome.
Thanks Mister Agenda. If only newbies to the forum could learn these valuable steps - so much heartache could be avoided.
Quote from: "Bibliofagus"Okay, I totally believe you are confused enough to actually believe anything you say actually means anything - and I do mean anything - while it obviously doesn't.
What I'm having difficulty with is your claim that multiple people worked on this for over 40 years.
I mean Really?
No, 8 years. Much of that time was taken up by courier service. At times I had to wait a month for the next material. It very likely would be 4 years discounting the courier. I didn't have a computer at that time--so-no email. Things took time. The time was 84 to 92. :)
Quote from: "mykcob4"Now I get it. Old Seer is really some insane person that suffers from multipersonality disorder among other psychological ailments. He names each one of them as a type of Smurf. The truth is he is a Troll Smurf, posing as a person with some "secret info" that "We animals" just don't get.
Since all lost cause gravitate to evangelical organizatons, he justifies that association(even though he has disassociative disorder) by redefining everything. Since his only association has given him a bible to solidify their demand of obedience on him, he justifies the bible by inventing a new and wacked out definition.
So then SillyAssSmurf finds an Atheist forum to spew his redefinition to, because his new lord & masters won't accept his redefinitions. Redefining the bible is the sole domain of the church leaders and he is obviously not one of those.
But, he has a need for his psychosis. He has to act upon his mental disorder. Since his evangelical associates have demanded that he conform to their "authority", he compensates for coming on this forum and redefining the term "authority". Since they "force" their "authority" on him, he acts out his mental problem here by redefining "force"!
Psychologically Old Seer has inner turmoil. He is extremely conflicted. He needs friends, but his disassociative disorder prevents that. He needs structure so he looks to the one great scam of humanity for that structure....the bible/religion. He can't quite accept the bullshit that they have laid on him, so he invents a fantasy world, and since he watches reruns of old cartoons, that world is Smurfland.
The problem he comes on this forum knowing full well that the people here are intelligent, educated, and have freedom of thought. 3 things that he sorely lacks and can never obtain. So he tries very hard to appear smart, by giving himself credentials that is obvious to the most casual observer that he doesn't have.
I say Force smorf, authority smurfthority. He is full of shit, his theory is nothing other than a mental dillussion, there is only one smurf except for the ones in his head. And quite frankly when his mom finds out he has been on the computer these last couple of days, there is going to hell to pay. He probably won't be able to watch the smurfs for a week or so.
Mykcob - You bad :rollin: Stop it. :rollin: We cannot know if OldSeer needs friends or really What his agenda might be. He's only shared that he has some new& improved translation of the bible that he won't explain WHY we should be interested in that. He's weird and trollish, I agree. But we don't know if he suffers a mental illness.
Just because he fell into the same trap as all trolls...................... which goes a little like this:
Troll visits forum
Troll is here for short time to bequeath unbelievable knowledge and save us all
Troll is not welcomed and shunned for his arrogance
Troll complains of his bad treatment
that's where we are as of now.................
straight up trypical
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Bibliofagus"Okay, I totally believe you are confused enough to actually believe anything you say actually means anything - and I do mean anything - while it obviously doesn't.
What I'm having difficulty with is your claim that multiple people worked on this for over 40 years.
I mean Really?
No, 8 years. Much of that time was taken up by courier service. At times I had to wait a month for the next material. It very likely would be 4 years discounting the courier. I didn't have a computer at that time--so-no email. Things took time. The time was 84 to 92. :)
Yea yea yea ::yawn"" some of us ALSO have degrees in religion and theology and have made a study of the bible for 40+ years.
So?
The bible is a book. No more. No less. There's nothing else to be gleaned from it's pages than the fact that it is a book. Written, no doubt, to influence - but a book just the same. :: yawn::
The world.............. is full of books.
Period.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Bibliofagus"Okay, I totally believe you are confused enough to actually believe anything you say actually means anything - and I do mean anything - while it obviously doesn't.
What I'm having difficulty with is your claim that multiple people worked on this for over 40 years.
I mean Really?
No, 8 years. Much of that time was taken up by courier service. At times I had to wait a month for the next material. It very likely would be 4 years discounting the courier. I didn't have a computer at that time--so-no email. Things took time. The time was 84 to 92. :)
Ah. So your worldshattering insight got shelved for 30 years. Why?
What happened to the other smurfs?
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Solitary"Old Seer appears to be insane, but he is merely stupid. We are animals that have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills, but he thinks he isn't an animal because he doesn't have sound reasoning and critical thinking skills and just has faith. Being Delusional is a form of mental illness, so he is mentally ill and stupid, or just being a self righteous ass. We should feel sorry for him because he is going to need the best of luck in life being an animal that doesn't have sound reasoning skills thinking all he needs is faith in an invisible magic man in the heavens. :roll: Solitary
So **we** think his **we** crap is stupid - eh?
:rollin: :rollin: :rollin:
Wrong-- we made the choice to leave the animal behind and resort to human relations. It's simple. Why does this bother anyone. I'm not saying or requiring anyone else do the same.
Now then--if you read the rules of the forum you'll find that you are required to treat others with respect and courtesies, is that not the case. The forum operators are asking only that you regard others "Humanly". They're asking you to make the choice, right. so how is it that you don't know what a human is. If you don't it's impossible for you to obey the rules. Simple ain't it. Think about that. I'm only giving an example in this case. Animal process would be against the rules. Why is it I'm the one that understands the rules. :)
If you think you have left your animal nature behind because you have faith then you are a stupid animal because faith is a belief with no evidence to back it up. I'm not required by any rule to respect someone that doesn't respect me or their delusional nonsense. Where are you respecting the rules when you look at us as inhuman animals and you as human and superior because you think you are better than us with faith? Take you quilt trip BS and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Being a troll is not respecting the rules of any forum that I know of, or even being an example of being human, but a human animal by nature. :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"If you think you have left your animal nature behind because you have faith then you are a stupid animal because faith is a belief with no evidence to back it up. I'm not required by any rule to respect someone that doesn't respect me or their delusional nonsense. Where are you respecting the rules when you look at us as inhuman animals and you as human and superior because you think you are better than us with faith? Take you quilt trip BS and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Being a troll is not respecting the rules of any forum that I know of, or even being an example of being human, but a human animal by nature. :lol: Solitary
+3
Exactly.
The forum members here who get respect are the ones who've proven themselves worthy of respect; usually through exchange of ideas where sometimes 'right' and even sometimes 'wrong' - we exchange and share. Pretty much how forums work. Not one single person here who's respected waltzed in and demanded respect for their lofty-bible-swinging ideas. After all when the sign on the door reads "Atheists" what sort of game plan might one need to pitch the bible as the would-be-end-all of life-success manuals? :rollin:
Sorry but........... a derrr :rolleyes:
Really?
Really? OldSeer is going to pitch the bible? And not first think of HOW to do that?
Wondering about those other wee smurfs at this point. And by the way......... who in their right mind would approach adults toting the label "Smurfs" and expect to be taken seriously?
:rollin:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Fuckkit:
Here. Let me help you out.
(1) Coming to an atheist forum and typing up words like "the atheist is wrong" is straight up stupid. What were you thinking? You've approached a group who clearly does NOT invite authority nor adheres to authority and told them they are wrong to NOT accept authority. How stupid can you be?
(2) You've provided NO evidence that your theories hold any water. None. Why should anyone here listen to you?
(3) No matter where you go (here or other stops along the internet highway) you're not going to come across well because you are condescending. Arrogantly so.
so........
You've No message that holds any water (nor any sort of fascination really), you're arrogantly trying to shove it down our throat, you've not proven yourself a valuable forum member, (only stopping by to bequeath your knowledge upon us) and you call US animals?
right.
Here's how forums for intelligent people work:
(1) Establish yourself as a member of the forum FIRST before you pitch ideals or theories.
(2) Discuss ideals and theories - ie you answer questions put to you and place VALUE upon that input.
(3) Never condescend to people you do not know. That's where the definition of "troll" comes in. The world is full of trolls - don't just be another one.
(4) Perfect your claims - ie gather evidence for that which you posit Prior to pitching your thoughts to a group.
You're welcome.
Thanks Mister Agenda. If only newbies to the forum could learn these valuable steps - so much heartache could be avoided.
Hold it-- If I have this correct--you all are the ones attacking, not me. I merely stated why I was here. There was no need for any attack or degrading of anyone--but that's what you all did--not me. I introduced myself as representative as a body of individuals and spokesman for that group to rely information that we want you to have --that-- we feel is important for you to know. I came here lording it over no one, and merely stated our case in brief.
You all want a one way deal here---you can tell the world it's all wrong ( which they are) but can't be pointed out that you're wrong. The only way to learn anything is by study and/or being wrong and then finding why--that's all we did. We didn't find on the first count that the interpretation was wrong--we encountered it. We weren't looking for "wrong. It started off by wondering why Creation was out of sync with physics. None of us was interested in the book to any great degree---it led us in a direction to where we understood the Euros got it wrong, and, we realized we inadvertently--got it right.
You say--answer questions--OK, how. There's to many posts at one time to keep track of. What's with all the hissy fits. I refrain from answering a question from someone undergoing a hissy fit.
One have to find the evidence for one's self. The book is about the self--how do I prove you--you have to compare and look at the book yourself. That's what the book is about (not the Hebrew history) the self. There's the crux of the matter--the book interprets itself and becomes self evident over time and learning. If one doesn't care for that necessity of time then it won't make sense to them. When you went to school you are the one that had to learn-right. The teacher could only help and give you what you what was to learn. You had to open the books then, why not now. I did give clues and apparently they were were over looked.
What seems to be bothering someone here is -I said Atheist are wrong--there is a god, and then went about explaining it from our understanding. Ok lets go over that one for that individual.
The Atheist is right --there is no intelligent creator of the universe that controls it. An intelligent being is not necessary for the material universe to form. (We understood that before Hawking did)
The Atheist is wrong---there is a god. OK As far as I know some Atheists suspect there is a god of some kind/type. But most, as far as I know, don't think there is any, or one, and do not have this suspicion. The Atheist that suspects there is one can understand that it's typically "force", that's how we understand it. We want that to be a help to them. Any force and all forces can be accepted as god. The force that created the universe is God, but not intelligent--it's just force. The biblical God is one that is intelligent--that's us/people, and deals with the forces we apply upon each other known as social forces. The Apostles understand the physical ways/god, but that's not the one they deal with. So, by our understanding the Atheist that says there is no god is wrong. One needn't accept material as god because believe in it is moot. Material won't care so there's no need to regard the forces that created material as any god. Now people is another matter. While it see everyone as god it's understanding of the social problems we get into. These problems come about by attempting to lord it (be a force) over others. The book sees this as one attempting to be a god above others which creates a counter-force by the one trying to avoid being lorded over, hence, social problems arise. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Plu"Hateful? I don't think anyone here feels anything other than amusement and perhaps pity towards you. And since you've claimed that "Animal" is "Inhumane", I obviously cannot blindly assume that if I look in the dictionary for "Humane" I get the definition you're using. So you'll have to define a bunch more stuff before we can get anywhere sensical.
OK--go to the dictionary and look it up. Take a look at animalism also. You'll find there are separate definitions of both human and animal. We use the one that defines animal as --brutuish, abrasive, low character, disrespectful of others etc. You'll find dictionaries have more or less definitions, so look in a few not just one. You'll find there is a physical one--and a mental one. Now we're getting somewhere here. :)
You're slowly starting to make a bit of sense. If you can survive until I get back from my trip I'll give you a serious response, but I haven't the time now.
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Sounds familiar.
:rollin: :rollin:
QuoteOK As far as I know some Atheists suspect there is a god of some kind/type.
WTF! If an atheist believes there is a god of some kind/type, then they are not atheists by definition and shows you have no idea what an atheist is.
You're the one having a hissy fit! And that is an attack on us just like when I say you are. You can say all you want about how you come here to share knowledge when you are only sharing ignorance all you want, but the fact is that you came here looking down at us from your high horse attitude that we are animals and you are superior because you aren't like us. Your being a ass and that includes the hole where your brain fell out. :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Solitary"If you think you have left your animal nature behind because you have faith then you are a stupid animal because faith is a belief with no evidence to back it up. I'm not required by any rule to respect someone that doesn't respect me or their delusional nonsense. Where are you respecting the rules when you look at us as inhuman animals and you as human and superior because you think you are better than us with faith? Take you quilt trip BS and put it where the sun doesn't shine. Being a troll is not respecting the rules of any forum that I know of, or even being an example of being human, but a human animal by nature. :lol: Solitary
+3
Exactly.
The forum members here who get respect are the ones who've proven themselves worthy of respect; usually through exchange of ideas where sometimes 'right' and even sometimes 'wrong' - we exchange and share. Pretty much how forums work. Not one single person here who's respected waltzed in and demanded respect for their lofty-bible-swinging ideas. After all when the sign on the door reads "Atheists" what sort of game plan might one need to pitch the bible as the would-be-end-all of life-success manuals? :rollin:
Sorry but........... a derrr :rolleyes:
Really?
Really? OldSeer is going to pitch the bible? And not first think of HOW to do that?
Wondering about those other wee smurfs at this point. And by the way......... who in their right mind would approach adults toting the label "Smurfs" and expect to be taken seriously?
:rollin:
I didn't disrespect anyone, I merely presented info for analysis. What's right for one may not be right for another. You have to read the book yourselves to see if we are correct. Whether it be correct or not you have to determine for yourselves. We can't be correct for you. How would you know if we be correct or not if you don't look. My opening statement was to get things going. You all degraded me instead of asking questions, and any question asked were accompanied by degradation. But, it doesn't really bother me, it's expected. The other Smurfs, I suspect, are just fine. I must be doing OK, no word from them thus far. :)
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"So either English isn't your first language or you're just a child. Round here when we ask questions we follow those with question marks.
You fret over question marks, why. I don't need a question mark to recognize a question, why do you---because you are trained to do as programed---take charge of yourself
We all make mistakes in punctuation and grammar from time to time, and I don't have big problem with that, but to consciously make grammatical errors and call it some kind of mind freeing experience is a pointless literary rebellion that is no doubt more a lack of writing skills and carelessness. Your errors are nothing to be proud of. Nor is your lack of logic or you inability to hear what other's are saying.
As far as I'm concerned, you can write as carelessly as you want, but when you tell everyone else to do it with some nonsense about achieving a higher state of being, you would do well to keep that fucking bullshit to yourself and quit annoying others like some petulant child.
No one assigned you the task of being some self help guru. That's just some misguided opinion of your own doing. In fact, you have nothing to offer but drivel and an inflated ego. You are a fool who thinks the world and others revolve around your inflated sense of self.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I tell you these things because I want to help you (well, not that much, I suppose). But really, you should stop focusing on what you think other's need and try to improve yourself. You make a big enough deal about being human or humane or whatever, so try be more human yourself. I hope this helps.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"So either English isn't your first language or you're just a child. Round here when we ask questions we follow those with question marks.
You fret over question marks, why. I don't need a question mark to recognize a question, why do you---because you are trained to do as programed---take charge of yourself
We all make mistakes in punctuation and grammar from time to time, and I don't have big problem with that, but to consciously make grammatical errors and call it some kind of mind freeing experience is a pointless literary rebellion that is no doubt more a lack of writing skills and carelessness. Your errors are nothing to be proud of. Nor is your lack of logic or you inability to hear what other's are saying.
As far as I'm concerned, you can write as carelessly as you want, but when you tell everyone else to do it with some nonsense about achieving a higher state of being, you would do well to keep that fucking bullshit to yourself and quit annoying others like some petulant child.
No one assigned you the task of being some self help guru. That's just some misguided opinion of your own doing. In fact, you have nothing to offer but drivel and an inflated ego. You are a fool who thinks the world and others revolve around your inflated sense of self.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I tell you these things because I want to help you (well, not that much, I suppose). But really, you should stop focusing on what you think other's need and try to improve yourself. You make a big enough deal about being human or humane or whatever, so try be more human yourself. I hope this helps.
Nicely said. I was just thinking how much that bible has Not been helping him - yet he wants US to take it soooo so seriously. Yeah - punctuation and grammar doesn't really matter. That was merely a test for ability to accept criticism - or not. Some people can handle critique and others cannot. A sure-fire litmus test for trolls, though.
Quote from: "Old Seer"I didn't disrespect anyone, I merely presented info for analysis. What's right for one may not be right for another. You have to read the book yourselves to see if we are correct. Whether it be correct or not you have to determine for yourselves. We can't be correct for you. How would you know if we be correct or not if you don't look. My opening statement was to get things going. You all degraded me instead of asking questions, and any question asked were accompanied by degradation. But, it doesn't really bother me, it's expected. The other Smurfs, I suspect, are just fine. I must be doing OK, no word from them thus far. :)
I honestly do not think you've understood One thing I've typed to you. Zip.
Get out of your own head and your own agenda and see what's been said to you - by me and others.
You really need to get over yourself.
Really.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"So either English isn't your first language or you're just a child. Round here when we ask questions we follow those with question marks.
You fret over question marks, why. I don't need a question mark to recognize a question, why do you---because you are trained to do as programed---take charge of yourself
We all make mistakes in punctuation and grammar from time to time, and I don't have big problem with that, but to consciously make grammatical errors and call it some kind of mind freeing experience is a pointless literary rebellion that is no doubt more a lack of writing skills and carelessness. Your errors are nothing to be proud of. Nor is your lack of logic or you inability to hear what other's are saying.
As far as I'm concerned, you can write as carelessly as you want, but when you tell everyone else to do it with some nonsense about achieving a higher state of being, you would do well to keep that fucking bullshit to yourself and quit annoying others like some petulant child.
No one assigned you the task of being some self help guru. That's just some misguided opinion of your own doing. In fact, you have nothing to offer but drivel and an inflated ego. You are a fool who thinks the world and others revolve around your inflated sense of self.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I tell you these things because I want to help you (well, not that much, I suppose). But really, you should stop focusing on what you think other's need and try to improve yourself. You make a big enough deal about being human or humane or whatever, so try be more human yourself. I hope this helps.
Ok, lets get to the book, that's why I'm here. But, how do I go about this without bring up what the book is about--according to our interpretation. If to us it's about human and inhumane how do I not explain things in those terms. If the "human/inhumane" is removed from the conversation ---what's to explain. It isn't brought into the works because we're looking down on anyone---it's needed to explain our interpretation. I understand what you're saying. I see I may be seen as an attacker but that's not what the intent is. The idea is to relay the findings for use by others, not attack. That's a thing we're going to have to look at. The other guys are going to have to see if there's a way to present this without it seeming to be an attack. We didn't realize that. What we do know is-the people are going to have to face the facts of what their world is about, and it's not going to be pleasant. So, how does one tell them that the animal mind is the problem without offending them. Being discreet may not be possible. I'll be expecting a note from them on this. :)
Old Seer and friends: (//http://i.imgur.com/Cvo7vKG.jpg) :wink: Solitary
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "SGOS"We all make mistakes in punctuation and grammar from time to time, and I don't have big problem with that, but to consciously make grammatical errors and call it some kind of mind freeing experience is a pointless literary rebellion that is no doubt more a lack of writing skills and carelessness. Your errors are nothing to be proud of. Nor is your lack of logic or you inability to hear what other's are saying.
As far as I'm concerned, you can write as carelessly as you want, but when you tell everyone else to do it with some nonsense about achieving a higher state of being, you would do well to keep that fucking bullshit to yourself and quit annoying others like some petulant child.
No one assigned you the task of being some self help guru. That's just some misguided opinion of your own doing. In fact, you have nothing to offer but drivel and an inflated ego. You are a fool who thinks the world and others revolve around your inflated sense of self.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I tell you these things because I want to help you (well, not that much, I suppose). But really, you should stop focusing on what you think other's need and try to improve yourself. You make a big enough deal about being human or humane or whatever, so try be more human yourself. I hope this helps.
Ok, lets get to the book, that's why I'm here. But, how do I go about this without bring up what the book is about--according to our interpretation. If to us it's about human and inhumane how do I not explain things in those terms. If the "human/inhumane" is removed from the conversation ---what's to explain. It isn't brought into the works because we're looking down on anyone---it's needed to explain our interpretation. I understand what you're saying. I see I may be seen as an attacker but that's not what the intent is. The idea is to relay the findings for use by others, not attack. That's a thing we're going to have to look at. The other guys are going to have to see if there's a way to present this without it seeming to be an attack. We didn't realize that. What we do know is-the people are going to have to face the facts of what their world is about, and it's not going to be pleasant. So, how does one tell them that the animal mind is the problem without offending them. Being discreet may not be possible. I'll be expecting a note from them on this. :)
I'm totally cool with You not being the attacker. I never felt attacked by you - not personally anyway. (and I never attacked You - but rather your choices - if you read what I've said) But I'm not sure I've an answer yet as to WHY you feel we need you to educate us on what you
think[1] the bible to be? Why do we need your ideas?
[1] emphasis on the term "think". Because I've no proof - only your opinions.
Had you posted "The Animal Mind" and written up your ideals in the philosophy section --- as a member here --- the whole discussion would have gone very different. Why was it not of interest to you to Become a member here and THEN share? Are you unfamiliar with how forums work perhaps?
Can you not see how showing up out of the blue to "Educate us" goes over soooo so very poorly? (And arrogantly?)
I knew you wouldn't feel attacked being the animal you are. :shock: 8-[ Oh hell! Now I'm a toad again. Damned you Sabrina! :lol: Solitary
So this troll thinks he hasn't insulted anyone. His condescention is an insult to everyone. His assertions and refusing to provide ANY proof whatsoever to back them up is a blantant insult to our collective intelligence. His calling us all animals "stuck in animal thinking" is an insult and an attack on each of us personally.
Heres another thing: The only place that I know of where academics of all disiplines meet to discuss subjects on a regular basis is the Brookings Institute and they don't lower themselves by forming clicks and giving that click a childish sillyass name. They also don't make wild unsubstantiated claims. They don't go on forums and start insulting the members of those forums with condescending bullshit. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or the American Enterprize Institute does, but they don't have real experts with REAL credentials. Essentially those last two I mentioned were formed to counter The Brookings Institute with lies and propaganda, because the conservatives didn't like the findings by an expert independent foundation, so they formed pseudo-scientic groups to publically put out whatever the oil and various corrupt corporations wanted to promote.
Old Seer is either a one off nut case or he is working for a religious organiztion, either way he is a troll.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Had you posted "The Animal Mind" and written up your ideals in the philosophy section --- as a member here --- the whole discussion would have gone very different. Why was it not of interest to you to Become a member here and THEN share? Are you unfamiliar with how forums work perhaps?
Can you not see how showing up out of the blue to "Educate us" goes over soooo so very poorly? (And arrogantly?)
Nobody would let me get anywhere but here. I had to stay here. Yes I am unfamiliar with how the forum works( I posted that) but not entirely, I'm not computerish astute. I thought I was a member--I registered. Actually I doubt posting else where on the site would have made a difference. Everyone came out of nowhere--I only posted the reason I came here. (resume' so to speak). It all went haywire from there. We have to admit--what we have isn't going to be liked--we knew that coming in. I use "we" because I can't take credit for the findings. If I don't use "we" that could mean I'm coming off as some sort of genius. This is quite a predicament for us. We're not trying to be aggressive as I have a short time to be here. I travel extensively like the others and need to be under way in another week or two. I don't have any choice except to show up out of the blue. We are kinda like Elijah--coming and going as the lightening in the sky, here today--there tomorrow. I would say I have been mistooken (if there is such a word---oh well, there is now). We are in a precarious position, we know that, what we have is very old but new for today. :)
Seer:
Many here are former theists. Many have read the Bible. A few might be considered authorities on what the Bible says. So don't assume you are addressing people here who are starting at ground zero knowledge base. I'm not an authority, but I have read the Bible. At first, just bits and pieces for Sunday School homework, and later in it's entirety as a young adult on a serious religious quest.
There are lots of things to learn from books, and a lot of books I would recommend, but I would not recommend the Bible to anyone for any reason. I'm not saying a person should not read it. Sure, go ahead if you want, but there is little in it that I find interesting, believable, or helpful. And it's laced with absurd anecdotes that defy what has taken centuries for man to learn about the universe. It's a book of mythology, with some metaphors that individual Christian groups interpret just about any way they want to justify whatever.
We have threads on everything from discussing films to politics and religion and threads of sophomoric nonsense, but the basic string of continuity that holds this place together is that whenever someone makes a claim, he first needs to make a case for it. He needs to provide evidence for why it's true. You can't just tell us to keep an open mind, or admonish us to think outside of some hypothetical box. We hold each other's feet to the fire on this issue and we do with guests, some of whom are so unaccustomed to scrutinizing their own beliefs that the climate here seems foreign or hostile.
No one gets away with a claim he cannot prove. Impart the knowledge you think you have for our consideration without some pseudo Socratic method. Back it up so we can understand. If you can't, we have no reason to believe it isn't bullshit. Yes, it could be true, but you still have to explain why you think it is. You can't admonish us to read the book for the second, third, or fourth time assuming that with repetition, the words will change, or some mysterious emotion will grab us and fill us with light (whatever that even means). The Bible says what it says, and beating it over and over doesn't change what the words say.
There is also a respect for the scientific method here. Dogma is useless. Observation, experimentation, and verification are held in high regard. We are not interested in believing claims without evidence, pretty solid evidence at that. If you speculate on some truth, make sure it's understood by us that you are speculating, not claiming authority.
That's just the way it is around here. It's what we do. That's why we hang out here.
Quote from: "Solitary"I knew you wouldn't feel attacked being the animal you are. :shock: 8-[ Oh hell! Now I'm a toad again. Damned you Sabrina! :lol: Solitary
Yes, I am definitely animal. It's one of the things to love about me. I'd take 'animal' any day over vegetable or mineral.
Just sayin............
:-D
And......... I'll go you one further... Strong animals tend to survive. There's no traffic jam on the Serengeti is there?
Quote from: "SGOS"Seer:
Many here are former theists. Many have read the Bible. A few might be considered authorities on what the Bible says. So don't assume you are addressing people here who are starting at ground zero knowledge base. I'm not an authority, but I have read the Bible. At first, just bits and pieces for Sunday School homework, and later in it's entirety as a young adult on a serious religious quest.
There are lots of things to learn from books, and a lot of books I would recommend, but I would not recommend the Bible to anyone for any reason. I'm not saying a person should not read it. Sure, go ahead if you want, but there is little in it that I find interesting, believable, or helpful. And it's laced with absurd anecdotes that defy what has taken centuries for man to learn about the universe. It's a book of mythology, with some metaphors that individual Christian groups interpret just about any way they want to justify whatever.
We have threads on everything from discussing films to politics and religion and threads of sophomoric nonsense, but the basic string of continuity that holds this place together is that whenever someone makes a claim, he first needs to make a case for it. He needs to provide evidence for why it's true. You can't just tell us to keep an open mind, or admonish us to think outside of some hypothetical box. We hold each other's feet to the fire on this issue and we do with guests, some of whom are so unaccustomed to scrutinizing their own beliefs that the climate here seems foreign or hostile.
No one gets away with a claim he cannot prove. Impart the knowledge you think you have for our consideration without some pseudo Socratic method. Back it up so we can understand. If you can't, we have no reason to believe it isn't bullshit. Yes, it could be true, but you still have to explain why you think it is. You can't admonish us to read the book for the second, third, or fourth time assuming that with repetition, the words will change, or some mysterious emotion will grab us and fill us with light (whatever that even means). The Bible says what it says, and beating it over and over doesn't change what the words say.
There is also a respect for the scientific method here. Dogma is useless. Observation, experimentation, and verification are held in high regard. We are not interested in believing claims without evidence, pretty solid evidence at that. If you speculate on some truth, make sure it's understood by us that you are speculating, not claiming authority.
That's just the way it is around here. It's what we do. That's why we hang out here.
this
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "SGOS"We all make mistakes in punctuation and grammar from time to time, and I don't have big problem with that, but to consciously make grammatical errors and call it some kind of mind freeing experience is a pointless literary rebellion that is no doubt more a lack of writing skills and carelessness. Your errors are nothing to be proud of. Nor is your lack of logic or you inability to hear what other's are saying.
As far as I'm concerned, you can write as carelessly as you want, but when you tell everyone else to do it with some nonsense about achieving a higher state of being, you would do well to keep that fucking bullshit to yourself and quit annoying others like some petulant child.
No one assigned you the task of being some self help guru. That's just some misguided opinion of your own doing. In fact, you have nothing to offer but drivel and an inflated ego. You are a fool who thinks the world and others revolve around your inflated sense of self.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but I tell you these things because I want to help you (well, not that much, I suppose). But really, you should stop focusing on what you think other's need and try to improve yourself. You make a big enough deal about being human or humane or whatever, so try be more human yourself. I hope this helps.
Ok, lets get to the book, that's why I'm here. But, how do I go about this without bring up what the book is about--according to our interpretation. If to us it's about human and inhumane how do I not explain things in those terms. If the "human/inhumane" is removed from the conversation ---what's to explain. It isn't brought into the works because we're looking down on anyone---it's needed to explain our interpretation. I understand what you're saying. I see I may be seen as an attacker but that's not what the intent is. The idea is to relay the findings for use by others, not attack. That's a thing we're going to have to look at. The other guys are going to have to see if there's a way to present this without it seeming to be an attack. We didn't realize that. What we do know is-the people are going to have to face the facts of what their world is about, and it's not going to be pleasant. So, how does one tell them that the animal mind is the problem without offending them. Being discreet may not be possible. I'll be expecting a note from them on this. :)
I'm totally cool with You not being the attacker. I never felt attacked by you - not personally anyway. (and I never attacked You - but rather your choices - if you read what I've said) But I'm not sure I've an answer yet as to WHY you feel we need you to educate us on what you think[1] the bible to be? Why do we need your ideas?
[1] emphasis on the term "think". Because I've no proof - only your opinions.
OK, super. We find this important because (according to us) this will change the world and set it on a different premise. (by the way--it's a tuff deal to read everything being posted, I can't keep up) What we find is (inadvertently) is the book has the precepts for that to happen. Of course we seem insane but the world as is -is temporary, that is, the world government and systems it operates on presently. We've had this knowledge for 20 years and didn't feel compelled to do anything with it, but knew someday we would have to. It's come time. Ok, why now. 1- The smurfs are along in age and it demands we make the effort. 2- has to do with the time of Noah--- Our interpretation is, they became so evil they lost social bonds and killed each other off. That's biblical so I'll leave off on further interpretations for now but his is the most important reason. The 3 Psycho Smurfs determined that the world has entered into that same mental state. If it's not changed you will kill each other off the same as they. Civil authorities world wide are failing to control their peoples, and are the ones that initiate the problems. We know from history that civilization doesn't work and ultimately fails. But, there is (in essence) a world wide civilization presently. Civil failure now will be a world wide catastrophe. In the past when a civilization failed it was regional---not so any more. The financial meltdown of 2008 is clear evidence of what will happen if only a few or even one civilization fails which can cause the others to fail. The melt down went world wide. If/when that happens the people have no control from what was controlling. Civilizations are now tired together just as the financial sectors are. What happens here will cause the same there and very likely everywhere. And, the governments for the most part are corrupt in their own right--all of them. What the Psycho Smurfs see is evil doing on the rise everywhere and governments and religions are at the helm of it. If left unattended to, you are all gone, hands down, we have no doubt about it. The spiritual interpretation shows the way out as well as what can/will happen, the material one does not, and lends to the problem--the religions can't fix it either, and they are just as much to blame as the governments.
We are attempting to make public this interpretation now so people can have a choice of two. . Neither choice is desirable, but, one is better then the other (we say). You can be left go and end it all and hardly anyone left. Or, you can change from what is causing the problem and maybe 30% to 40% will remain. The trick is--to be one of those that remains. We want to give all that option--because we have it for ourselves now. The spiritual interpretation is the one that shows a person what will happen and why and "possibly" avoid the disastrous outcome. So far there is enough time, but it's come time to get moving also. The floks that wrote the book knew the direction of thinking things would go in the fall of Adam. They were warned but Nimrod had his own ideas. Those ideas from his kind will cause a heavy price to be paid by the last generation of these time. We all now are the last. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"OK, super. We find this important because (according to us) this will change the world and set it on a different premise. (by the way--it's a tuff deal to read everything being posted, I can't keep up) What we find is (inadvertently) is the book has the precepts for that to happen. Of course we seem insane but the world as is -is temporary, that is, the world government and systems it operates on presently. We've had this knowledge for 20 years and didn't feel compelled to do anything with it, but knew someday we would have to. It's come time. Ok, why now. 1- The smurfs are along in age and it demands we make the effort. 2- has to do with the time of Noah--- Our interpretation is, they became so evil they lost social bonds and killed each other off. That's biblical so I'll leave off on further interpretations for now but his is the most important reason. The 3 Psycho Smurfs determined that the world has entered into that same mental state. If it's not changed you will kill each other off the same as they. Civil authorities world wide are failing to control their peoples, and are the ones that initiate the problems. We know from history that civilization doesn't work and ultimately fails. But, there is (in essence) a world wide civilization presently. Civil failure now will be a world wide catastrophe. In the past when a civilization failed it was regional---not so any more. The financial meltdown of 2008 is clear evidence of what will happen if only a few or even one civilization fails which can cause the others to fail. The melt down went world wide. If/when that happens the people have no control from what was controlling. Civilizations are now tired together just as the financial sectors are. What happens here will cause the same there and very likely everywhere. And, the governments for the most part are corrupt in their own right--all of them. What the Psycho Smurfs see is evil doing on the rise everywhere and governments and religions are at the helm of it. If left unattended to, you are all gone, hands down, we have no doubt about it. The spiritual interpretation shows the way out as well as what can/will happen, the material one does not, and lends to the problem--the religions can't fix it either, and they are just as much to blame as the governments.
We are attempting to make public this interpretation now so people can have a choice of two. . Neither choice is desirable, but, one is better then the other (we say). You can be left go and end it all and hardly anyone left. Or, you can change from what is causing the problem and maybe 30% to 40% will remain. The trick is--to be one of those that remains. We want to give all that option--because we have it for ourselves now. The spiritual interpretation is the one that shows a person what will happen and why and "possibly" avoid the disastrous outcome. So far there is enough time, but it's come time to get moving also. The floks that wrote the book knew the direction of thinking things would go in the fall of Adam. They were warned but Nimrod had his own ideas. Those ideas from his kind will cause a heavy price to be paid by the last generation of these time. We all now are the last. :)
Ok. So I asked you be honest and earnest - and since you have been I cannot turn any of this into joke or funny.
But.... I hope you can appreciate that for a non-believer talk of evil-doing/evil-doers, getting spiritual, bible interpretation, etc seems very far fetched. Simply put - a person Needs to BE a believer in order to buy into your 'save yourself and the world' ideology. k? Rational, non-believers are probably not going to buy into "the sky is falling".
Hopefully you can understand that.
Normally in these circumstances I would turn into the very animal you've accused me of being and tear your post to shreds, all the while having sick fun doing so............... but I think you very much Believe in what you say and I'm not inclined to hurt your feelings.
Will the sky fall someday? Maybe. But for me the solution to keeping that from happening is taking care of things like protecting the environment, addressing global warming, figuring out how to feed the multitudes not born yet, and making money
not the center of the universe but rather solutions that meet Most people's needs................. not ................. getting spiritual and bible banging for solutions.
I don't need a bible as a success manual. What I need are more geeks and nerds with as many science degrees as will fit in those plastic pocket protectors. I need scientists that can make accurate projections and people who'll get behind real viable answers - like harnessing wind energy. The bible says nothing about harnessing the wind to generate electrical power.
Put your hand-book down and get your head in the game. Lofty spiritual nonsense isn't going to fix a damn thing. In fact, lofty spiritual nonsense is a dangerous distraction from the realities we face.
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Duality bullshit again eh? 13 pages seems like a bit much for that.
Quote from: "billhilly"Duality bullshit again eh? 13 pages seems like a bit much for that.
You know these threads where someone pops by to 'save' us or 'educate' us always run kninda long. They just do.
:) There ends up so many pages whereby we discuss how the approach just doesn't work very well.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"OK, super. We find this important because (according to us) this will change the world and set it on a different premise. (by the way--it's a tuff deal to read everything being posted, I can't keep up) What we find is (inadvertently) is the book has the precepts for that to happen. Of course we seem insane but the world as is -is temporary, that is, the world government and systems it operates on presently. We've had this knowledge for 20 years and didn't feel compelled to do anything with it, but knew someday we would have to. It's come time. Ok, why now. 1- The smurfs are along in age and it demands we make the effort. 2- has to do with the time of Noah--- Our interpretation is, they became so evil they lost social bonds and killed each other off. That's biblical so I'll leave off on further interpretations for now but his is the most important reason. The 3 Psycho Smurfs determined that the world has entered into that same mental state. If it's not changed you will kill each other off the same as they. Civil authorities world wide are failing to control their peoples, and are the ones that initiate the problems. We know from history that civilization doesn't work and ultimately fails. But, there is (in essence) a world wide civilization presently. Civil failure now will be a world wide catastrophe. In the past when a civilization failed it was regional---not so any more. The financial meltdown of 2008 is clear evidence of what will happen if only a few or even one civilization fails which can cause the others to fail. The melt down went world wide. If/when that happens the people have no control from what was controlling. Civilizations are now tired together just as the financial sectors are. What happens here will cause the same there and very likely everywhere. And, the governments for the most part are corrupt in their own right--all of them. What the Psycho Smurfs see is evil doing on the rise everywhere and governments and religions are at the helm of it. If left unattended to, you are all gone, hands down, we have no doubt about it. The spiritual interpretation shows the way out as well as what can/will happen, the material one does not, and lends to the problem--the religions can't fix it either, and they are just as much to blame as the governments.
We are attempting to make public this interpretation now so people can have a choice of two. . Neither choice is desirable, but, one is better then the other (we say). You can be left go and end it all and hardly anyone left. Or, you can change from what is causing the problem and maybe 30% to 40% will remain. The trick is--to be one of those that remains. We want to give all that option--because we have it for ourselves now. The spiritual interpretation is the one that shows a person what will happen and why and "possibly" avoid the disastrous outcome. So far there is enough time, but it's come time to get moving also. The floks that wrote the book knew the direction of thinking things would go in the fall of Adam. They were warned but Nimrod had his own ideas. Those ideas from his kind will cause a heavy price to be paid by the last generation of these time. We all now are the last. :)
Ok. So I asked you be honest and earnest - and since you have been I cannot turn any of this into joke or funny.
But.... I hope you can appreciate that for a non-believer talk of evil-doing/evil-doers, getting spiritual, bible interpretation, etc seems very far fetched. Simply put - a person Needs to BE a believer in order to buy into your 'save yourself and the world' ideology. k? Rational, non-believers are probably not going to buy into "the sky is falling".
Hopefully you can understand that.
Normally in these circumstances I would turn into the very animal you've accused me of being and tear your post to shreds, all the while having sick fun doing so............... but I think you very much Believe in what you say and I'm not inclined to hurt your feelings.
Will the sky fall someday? Maybe. But for me the solution to keeping that from happening is taking care of things like protecting the environment, addressing global warming, figuring out how to feed the multitudes not born yet, and making money not the center of the universe but rather solutions that meet Most people's needs................. not ................. getting spiritual and bible banging for solutions.
I don't need a bible as a success manual. What I need are more geeks and nerds with as many science degrees as will fit in those plastic pocket protectors. I need scientists that can make accurate projections and people who'll get behind real viable answers - like harnessing wind energy. The bible says nothing about harnessing the wind to generate electrical power.
Put your hand-book down and get your head in the game. Lofty spiritual nonsense isn't going to fix a damn thing. In fact, lofty spiritual nonsense is a dangerous distraction from the realities we face.
I'm no spiritually different then you. I have the animal entity also. Everyone does. OK, you don't need the book, disregard my posts then. I don't say that to be harsh, but if you're having a problem with this and aren't comfy with it, it may be better not to deal with it. I don't recall referring to anyone as an animal--you have the human also. I merely point to the difference. If you believe you are a human animal how can you be offended if someone called you an animal--which I didn't. I'm attempting to relay info not get in mental fights. OK, will you explain what a human animal is or isn't. :)
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No, I'm Atheist. :)
It has been said many times before that this guy just loves the responses he is getting here. Every time someone replies to him seriously I could only imagine him laughing and sniveling on the other side of that computer monitor.
This thread could go on for hundreds of pages if possible. I suggest locking it.
Quote from: "mykcob4"So this troll thinks he hasn't insulted anyone. His condescention is an insult to everyone. His assertions and refusing to provide ANY proof whatsoever to back them up is a blantant insult to our collective intelligence. His calling us all animals "stuck in animal thinking" is an insult and an attack on each of us personally.
Heres another thing: The only place that I know of where academics of all disiplines meet to discuss subjects on a regular basis is the Brookings Institute and they don't lower themselves by forming clicks and giving that click a childish sillyass name. They also don't make wild unsubstantiated claims. They don't go on forums and start insulting the members of those forums with condescending bullshit. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or the American Enterprize Institute does, but they don't have real experts with REAL credentials. Essentially those last two I mentioned were formed to counter The Brookings Institute with lies and propaganda, because the conservatives didn't like the findings by an expert independent foundation, so they formed pseudo-scientic groups to publically put out whatever the oil and various corrupt corporations wanted to promote.
Old Seer is either a one off nut case or he is working for a religious organiztion, either way he is a troll.
If you're insulted it wasn't done by me. The american enterprise institute would recognize this immediately and have me arrested. All those organization are highly biased and can't accept anything they doesn't meet with their approval. We don't go to any PP&A to determine things--they keep everything going the way they are going. We're not looking for anyone's approval and don't rely on such for truth. Truth with those types are transient. What's true today will be false tomorrow. They have you trained to use their brain. Is your reality what you're told or is it what you find. Why give them your brain when you can think for yourself. All these organizations do is maintain the status quo. I say as a plain statement, not in a negative. We have plenty of guys to do our own investigating, and from seats of higher learning--as it is referred to. Lotsa degrees in stuff.
The Brookings institute would be a click wouldn't it. How many people does it take to make a "click. There's 30 of us, how many are at the Institute. How come they have a right to think and we don't. You mean only approved people are chosen to have the right to think, not around here. Go ahead and think, it's OK with us. Consider that you are trained to think within an authority based system, you definitely have the right to think without their permission, we do. If not--we'll do so anyway. I do not post in a negative attitude, just plain and straight forward, no ill intent. Is asking you to use your own intellect an attack, I wouldn't say so.. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"So this troll thinks he hasn't insulted anyone. His condescention is an insult to everyone. His assertions and refusing to provide ANY proof whatsoever to back them up is a blantant insult to our collective intelligence. His calling us all animals "stuck in animal thinking" is an insult and an attack on each of us personally.
Heres another thing: The only place that I know of where academics of all disiplines meet to discuss subjects on a regular basis is the Brookings Institute and they don't lower themselves by forming clicks and giving that click a childish sillyass name. They also don't make wild unsubstantiated claims. They don't go on forums and start insulting the members of those forums with condescending bullshit. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or the American Enterprize Institute does, but they don't have real experts with REAL credentials. Essentially those last two I mentioned were formed to counter The Brookings Institute with lies and propaganda, because the conservatives didn't like the findings by an expert independent foundation, so they formed pseudo-scientic groups to publically put out whatever the oil and various corrupt corporations wanted to promote.
Old Seer is either a one off nut case or he is working for a religious organiztion, either way he is a troll.
If you're insulted it wasn't done by me. The american enterprise institute would recognize this immediately and have me arrested. All those organization are highly biased and can't accept anything they doesn't meet with their approval. We don't go to any PP&A to determine things--they keep everything going the way they are going. We're not looking for anyone's approval and don't rely on such for truth. Truth with those types are transient. What's true today will be false tomorrow. They have you trained to use their brain. Is your reality what you're told or is it what you find. Why give them your brain when you can think for yourself. All these organizations do is maintain the status quo. I say as a plain statement, not in a negative. We have plenty of guys to do our own investigating, and from seats of higher learning--as it is referred to. Lotsa degrees in stuff. :)
Could you please explain the "we"? And No - do not refer to your group as 'smurfs'. Don't want to hear that nonsense. Explain what body of human/social/survival/spiritual people it is that you represent/speak for. If you represent and speak for some body of people who hold authority/knowledge/etc regarding some subject - I'd like to know who they actually are.
And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
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No, I'm Atheist. :)
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See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
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No, I'm Atheist. :)
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I already posted our understanding of god, somewhere around here. I think you'll have to look for it. It's in this thread somewhere. :)
No, I usually bring my lunch.
Frank
Quote from: "Old Seer"I already posted our understanding of god, somewhere around here. I think you'll have to look for it. It's in this thread somewhere. :)
It is customary when trying to communicate well with people to simply answer their questions. If your belief in god is strong or true you should have no problem answering Fidel. It's not nice to just toss someone back into a thread with a 'go find it' response. This thread is already long because we had to spend so much time discussing your poor forum technique. That's not Fidel's fault. You want respect here? You must first show respect towards others; especially long standing members like Fidel. And if not respect - at least you should want to be taken seriously.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
So - then you're gonna have to nut-shell it for us:
(1) What's different about Your interpretation of the bible?
(2) Why should we care what your interpretation is? Who are YOU to decide
you're right? What makes you (A) More special? or (B) Smarter than anyone else who's tried before you?
(3) Many have come before you (and failed miserably). You're just going to have to up your game if you want to play.
We once had a guy here named, Dave, who was Absolutely convinced that Noah's Ark was the Human mind, yada yada yada. He was a fun chew toy. Yes, Dave was special--- In a short-bus sort of way.
Get it said. What's your gig and why?
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"I already posted our understanding of god, somewhere around here. I think you'll have to look for it. It's in this thread somewhere. :)
It is customary when trying to communicate well with people to simply answer their questions. If your belief in god is strong or true you should have no problem answering Fidel. It's not nice to just toss someone back into a thread with a 'go find it' response. This thread is already long because we had to spend so much time discussing your poor forum technique. That's not Fidel's fault. You want respect here? You must first show respect towards others; especially long standing members like Fidel. And if not respect - at least you should want to be taken seriously.
I did answer the question. I directed to a previous post. Are you asking me to post it all over again. I went to where he directed and found I didn't understand what was wanted. So I came back here. What was I supposed to do there- on the other forum. What was I being asked to do. ???? I don't know. I was asked if I was a theist--I posted no, I'm an atheist. How did that "not" answer the question. I have to say --I'm baffled. Why are you all thinking I'm attacking. I'm not, I'm making statements, trying to show you something, not kick anyone around. I'm saying what the book says to us, then, you have to take it to the book so see if it's there and determine for yourselves if it makes sense over the "other" interpretation and make a comparence. It can't be done any other way. If you need forensic evidence--there isn't any. There's no one else in the world having this interpretation except those that acquired it in the last 1-1/2 years so there's no place else to go. It takes reasoning not forensic evidence. There is no forensic evidence of the mind itself--there is only a recognized result if a physical action is undertaken to show a link to a mental state. The book is about the mind, so how can it supply material evidence, or where could material and physical evidence be found---it can't.
OK--- we say creation in the book is mental. How can that be shown. Apply the creation terminology to a biblical event. The easiest is the flood of Noah's time. If the waters in creation are the mental workings then how does that apply to the Flood. In the flood there is waters. If the waters in creation denote a mental condition then apply that to the Noah's flood. That means then that the flood happens from a mental condition. What did the flood do--it killed everybody. So- doers it make sense that there was that much H2O on the planet at that time--no, that's silly. Now, one needs to go to the ancient Hebrew alphabet and find the meaning of 40. (40 days and 40 nights) 40= waters without bounds. Now then--if waters is a mental state in creation then we have a mental state without bounds during the flood, deducing to- they killed each other. How do we know--because killing was happening and H2O isn't feasible so what did the killing--which deduces to---people. There's also other items in creation that apply but this is the gist of it. You have to determine for yourself if we're correct, we can't do that for you. This is the basis for our interpretation. It's up to the receiver to accept or throw away, not us. If you throw it away someone else may not. OK- what makes sense in this case, the material or the mental/spiritual interpretation. it's easy to see that the material one cannot be true because it doesn't make sense. On the other hand, well, that's for the individual to decide. We sat we're right, but don't expect others to agree. we only ask you to look and determine for yourself. Don't let us or the Pope tell you it's right or wrong. We say it's correct because it's correct for us. We're not saying it's correct for others. It does make sense doesn't it. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"I already posted our understanding of god, somewhere around here. I think you'll have to look for it. It's in this thread somewhere. :)
It is customary when trying to communicate well with people to simply answer their questions. If your belief in god is strong or true you should have no problem answering Fidel. It's not nice to just toss someone back into a thread with a 'go find it' response. This thread is already long because we had to spend so much time discussing your poor forum technique. That's not Fidel's fault. You want respect here? You must first show respect towards others; especially long standing members like Fidel. And if not respect - at least you should want to be taken seriously.
I did answer the question. I directed to a previous post. Are you asking me to post it all over again. I went to where he directed and found I didn't understand what was wanted. So I came back here. What was I supposed to do there- on the other forum. What was I being asked to do. ???? I don't know. I was asked if I was a theist--I posted no, I'm an atheist. How did that "not" answer the question. I have to say --I'm baffled. Why are you all thinking I'm attacking. I'm not, I'm making statements, trying to show you something, not kick anyone around. I'm saying what the book says to us, then, you have to take it to the book so see if it's there and determine for yourselves if it makes sense over the "other" interpretation and make a comparence. It can't be done any other way. If you need forensic evidence--there isn't any. There's no one else in the world having this interpretation except those that acquired it in the last 1-1/2 years so there's no place else to go. It takes reasoning not forensic evidence. There is no forensic evidence of the mind itself--there is only a recognized result if a physical action is undertaken to show a link to a mental state. The book is about the mind, so how can it supply material evidence, or where could material and physical evidence be found---it can't.
OK--- we say creation in the book is mental. How can that be shown. Apply the creation terminology to a biblical event. The easiest is the flood of Noah's time. If the waters in creation are the mental workings then how does that apply to the Flood. In the flood there is waters. If the waters in creation denote a mental condition then apply that to the Noah's flood. That means then that the flood happens from a mental condition. What did the flood do--it killed everybody. So- doers it make sense that there was that much H2O on the planet at that time--no, that's silly. Now, one needs to go to the ancient Hebrew alphabet and find the meaning of 40. (40 days and 40 nights) 40= waters without bounds. Now then--if waters is a mental state in creation then we have a mental state without bounds during the flood, deducing to- they killed each other. How do we know--because killing was happening and H2O isn't feasible so what did the killing--which deduces to---people. There's also other items in creation that apply but this is the gist of it. You have to determine for yourself if we're correct, we can't do that for you. This is the basis for our interpretation. It's up to the receiver to accept or throw away, not us. If you throw it away someone else may not. OK- what makes sense in this case, the material or the mental/spiritual interpretation. it's easy to see that the material one cannot be true because it doesn't make sense. On the other hand, well, that's for the individual to decide. We sat we're right, but don't expect others to agree. we only ask you to look and determine for yourself. Don't let us or the Pope tell you it's right or wrong. We say it's correct because it's correct for us. We're not saying it's correct for others. It does make sense doesn't it. :)
Nope......... cannot go there, Smurfman. Can't do it. You're typing gibberish in my opinion. Good luck with that.
Still don't know who this "we" shit is............ and now I don't care anymore.
Witch over and out.
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Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
So - then you're gonna have to nut-shell it for us:
(1) What's different about Your interpretation of the bible?
(2) Why should we care what your interpretation is? Who are YOU to decide you're right? What makes you (A) More special? or (B) Smarter than anyone else who's tried before you?
(3) Many have come before you (and failed miserably). You're just going to have to up your game if you want to play.
We once had a guy here named, Dave, who was Absolutely convinced that Noah's Ark was the Human mind, yada yada yada. He was a fun chew toy. Yes, Dave was special--- In a short-bus sort of way.
Get it said. What's your gig and why?
See the next post. I hope I did OK with it. Bear in mind floks there's a lot to keep up with. :)
Whoa, hold it. We're not special, where did you get that from. We're only showing our interpretaion. it doesn't require special people. I don't feel special.
1-We're not smarter. How did you arrive at that idea.
2-We're not playing games. There's no games to play ??.
3-We're not here to fail or win. What's to win.
You're taking this all the wrong way. My goodness people get a grip on yourselves. Your going off in all directions. There's no one on this side of the fence wishing any harm. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"See the next post. I hope I did OK with it. Bear in mind floks there's a lot to keep up with. :)
Whoa, hold it. We're not special, where did you get that from. We're only showing our interpretaion. it doesn't require special people. I don't feel special.
1-We're not smarter. How did you arrive at that idea.
2-We're not playing games. There's no games to play ??.
3-We're not here to fail or win. What's to win.
You're taking this all the wrong way. My goodness people get a grip on yourselves. Your going off in all directions. There's no one on this side of the fence wishing any harm. :)
I read your post. You did fine.
And really the only True harm you're doing is to yourself. Here - you've only proven to be annoying really.
good luck to you.
May you toss that bible away at some point and read something valuable. Apparently you missed My post regarding getting your head into the game. (aka with
science not bible nonsense)
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"You're typing gibberish in my opinion.
You just now figured that out? :P
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"You're typing gibberish in my opinion.
You just now figured that out? :P
No. Actually I pointed out gibberish back on page 2. I've been trying very hard to be nice, to listen, to hear the guy out. That's all. I have to say I'm really not that surprised that once digging into deeper *waters* with explanation that it turned out to be Reeeeeeally crazy stuff like Dave and Noah's Ark = human mind nutsville business.
Isn't that just ALWAYS what fucking happens?
::: sigh:::
Motherfucker................ a girl tries to be nice.............. but NOOOooooooo............ batshit crazy raises its ugly head on the internet once again.
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"So this troll thinks he hasn't insulted anyone. His condescention is an insult to everyone. His assertions and refusing to provide ANY proof whatsoever to back them up is a blantant insult to our collective intelligence. His calling us all animals "stuck in animal thinking" is an insult and an attack on each of us personally.
Heres another thing: The only place that I know of where academics of all disiplines meet to discuss subjects on a regular basis is the Brookings Institute and they don't lower themselves by forming clicks and giving that click a childish sillyass name. They also don't make wild unsubstantiated claims. They don't go on forums and start insulting the members of those forums with condescending bullshit. Maybe the Heritage Foundation, or the American Enterprize Institute does, but they don't have real experts with REAL credentials. Essentially those last two I mentioned were formed to counter The Brookings Institute with lies and propaganda, because the conservatives didn't like the findings by an expert independent foundation, so they formed pseudo-scientic groups to publically put out whatever the oil and various corrupt corporations wanted to promote.
Old Seer is either a one off nut case or he is working for a religious organiztion, either way he is a troll.
If you're insulted it wasn't done by me. The american enterprise institute would recognize this immediately and have me arrested. All those organization are highly biased and can't accept anything they doesn't meet with their approval. We don't go to any PP&A to determine things--they keep everything going the way they are going. We're not looking for anyone's approval and don't rely on such for truth. Truth with those types are transient. What's true today will be false tomorrow. They have you trained to use their brain. Is your reality what you're told or is it what you find. Why give them your brain when you can think for yourself. All these organizations do is maintain the status quo. I say as a plain statement, not in a negative. We have plenty of guys to do our own investigating, and from seats of higher learning--as it is referred to. Lotsa degrees in stuff.
The Brookings institute would be a click wouldn't it. How many people does it take to make a "click. There's 30 of us, how many are at the Institute. How come they have a right to think and we don't. You mean only approved people are chosen to have the right to think, not around here. Go ahead and think, it's OK with us. Consider that you are trained to think within an authority based system, you definitely have the right to think without their permission, we do. If not--we'll do so anyway. I do not post in a negative attitude, just plain and straight forward, no ill intent. Is asking you to use your own intellect an attack, I wouldn't say so.. :)
Oh hell no you don't!!!!! Don't start with I'M brainwashed just because I'm not buying YOUR crap. You aren't asking anyone to use their intellect. Your asking them to accept your crap and if they don't you say that they aren't using their human side. Thats the condescending tactic that every theist uses. BTW The Brookings Institute doesn't demand any conformity to their findings. So don't start with they do the thinking for me, they don't. I do rely on expert analysis when needed, but I think for myself. I have thought about the crap that you offered, the way you offered it and concluded well read my earlier post!
You're a crank, a crackpot, a troll. You just don't like being exposed!
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No, I'm Atheist. :)
No you're not, not even close!
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
It's not our job nor is it logical to prove what something isn't. It's your job to prove what it is! See you are using the same tactic of every theist. "Prove there isn't a god." is the typical tactic of theist because they no that proving a negative is an impossibility.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
It's not our job nor is it logical to prove what something isn't. It's your job to prove what it is! See you are using the same tactic of every theist. "Prove there isn't a god." is the typical tactic of theist because they no that proving a negative is an impossibility.
Yes. Prove it "Isn't God" is just something that gets really old. Frankly it's a child's argument. Sounds like my granddaughter. (she is 7)
Yes. Prove it "Isn't God" is just something that gets really old. Frankly it's a child's argument. Sounds like my granddaughter. (she is 7)[/quote]
YOU have a granddaughter?
Quote from: "mykcob4"Yes. Prove it "Isn't God" is just something that gets really old. Frankly it's a child's argument. Sounds like my granddaughter. (she is 7)
YOU have a granddaughter?[/quote]
Yep. And a grandson. I'm 54. Just turned 54 in fact. lol
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
So, you can degrade another but can't take it yourselves. I haven't degraded anyone. I merely state our position. where did all this "I'm degrading someone come from". Explain this degrading idea--where did I do that. :)
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"See I just cannot comprehend why an atheist would work So So very hard to turn the bible into something it's not.
Why would any atheist bother with that? :rollin:
How do you know it's 'Not" what we say it is. You'd have to study it from our perspective to know that. If not you don't you have a basis to criticize. If you know theirs and think it's junk we agree. But, we didn't know that until after a certain point of study. I'm trying to make the point you all keep over looking---we have a new interpretation. OK, back we go again. Is biblical creation a material happening or a spiritual happening. If you don't care to investigate then you won't see it. The spiritual/mental interpretation has a different result then the material. OK don't look, we might be right and we can't have that can we. :)
It's not our job nor is it logical to prove what something isn't. It's your job to prove what it is! See you are using the same tactic of every theist. "Prove there isn't a god." is the typical tactic of theist because they no that proving a negative is an impossibility.
See post tue jul 30, 5:46 PM.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
So, you can degrade another but can't take it yourselves. I haven't degraded anyone. I merely state our position. where did all this "I'm degrading someone come from". Explain this degrading idea--where did I do that. :)
Honey, you can try and degrade me all you want. Knock yourself out. You won't even come close to bothering me. I did try but I just cannot take you seriously. And because I cannot take you seriously your opinion of me does me no harm whatsoever. None. People I respect can get under my skin because I Care what their opinion is. You? Not so much.
And for the record - word salad doesn't go over well here. I said you were condescending. When you're condescending towards someone you basically insult them. Bizarre that I must explain this to you. I never at any time said "you are degrading someone". Nope - I didn't say those words.
want to try again?
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Whelp... looks like I missed out on a great shit-show. I would like to get involved but I don't feel like reading a 2 day / 16 page thread right now.
Maybe later.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
So, you can degrade another but can't take it yourselves. I haven't degraded anyone. I merely state our position. where did all this "I'm degrading someone come from". Explain this degrading idea--where did I do that. :)
When you insult our intelligence with your incoherent posts you degrade us----thus:
'The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood."
"See there's no such person/thing as a deity."
"Force=God." Contradiction of the above.
"One could say the big bang is God, for instance." Ditto!
"That's the essence of Adam, to know one's self." Wrong author, try again. :roll:
"Our biblical interpretations known." Who gives a rats behind?
"Not one of the material universe." Is there any other kind? Even energy or force is carried by particles like photons, phonons, and gravitons.
"The biblical God is "you, me and everyone else", not what the Euros say."Again you contradict yourself. :roll:
"A god is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are god if you rule others." You forgot about money!
"The one known as the bible."Written by sheep herders that didn't know squat about modern science.
"The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there." Really?
"God wears hats with different labels, authority is one of them. Authority is power/force, God. Or. I can be God, or you can. If you want to be God then I can be a counter force, this is where wars come from." I agree! From force which=God in your delusional mind.
"The book is about the Human verses the animal mind. It is a book of psychiatry." And just like psychology and psychiatry bull shit!,
"Christianity is nothing more then being a proper human toward others, known as 'social values'." "Christianity is a person minus the animal values." You may be correct there because animal show unconditional love and don't have inquisitions, religious wars, or a buybull to justify their hatreds, bigotries, prejudices, cruelties, and intolerances of other religions like Christians do.
"That's the one that works, which means, this book is not about a material universe, it's about the spiritual, and if that be the case it is about people." Right! And how fucked up they are compared to physical animals that can die unlike Christians that never stay dead.
"The physical is not the person, the mind is." So a person that is out of their mind and a lunatic is still a person without a body? Good luck with that one. :roll: Solitary
"We no longer belong to your world so we don't venture the same." OK Einstein.
"This is not a dealing of normal thought patterns." No truer thing has ever been said! =D> :rollin: :cry:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
So, you can degrade another but can't take it yourselves. I haven't degraded anyone. I merely state our position. where did all this "I'm degrading someone come from". Explain this degrading idea--where did I do that. :)
Honey, you can try and degrade me all you want. Knock yourself out. You won't even come close to bothering me. I did try but I just cannot take you seriously. And because I cannot take you seriously your opinion of me does me no harm whatsoever. None. People I respect can get under my skin because I Care what their opinion is. You? Not so much.
And for the record - word salad doesn't go over well here. I said you were condescending. When you're condescending towards someone you basically insult them. Bizarre that I must explain this to you. I never at any time said "you are degrading someone". Nope - I didn't say those words.
want to try again?
I didn't degrade anyone at anytime. Where is the condescending I'm supposed to have done. I have no opinion of you nor anyone else here-where did you get that from. Condescending-degrading whatever--never did any of it. Why are you floks so abrasive and abusive toward others just because you don't agree with them. No one on our side is trying to harm anyone. Where did I degrade you--point that out please. What post-where. All I've done is make plain statements for analysis and it's taken for degrading and condescension. How so. we're trying to be helpful not abusive. If what you say is true Alpha Smurf would be on me like hound. It looks like they disagree with you. Anything I say is and has been for informational purposes. Holy smokes--you all need to get a grip on yourselves. I'm accused of being nuts, crazy, stupid etc. but a mention of something you all misinterpret or disagree with is used as an excuse to attack with conjured charges. Would you point out where it is, which posts that I harmed anyone. Where have I been condescending or anything else in that category of things. Where? :)
Quote from: "Solitary"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"And yes - when you speak condescendingly here to any of our members - yes, that is insulting. Mykcob is not wrong about that.
So, you can degrade another but can't take it yourselves. I haven't degraded anyone. I merely state our position. where did all this "I'm degrading someone come from". Explain this degrading idea--where did I do that. :)
When you insult our intelligence with your incoherent posts you degrade us----thus:
'The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood."
"See there's no such person/thing as a deity."
"Force=God." Contradiction of the above.
"One could say the big bang is God, for instance." Ditto!
"That's the essence of Adam, to know one's self." Wrong author, try again. :roll:
"Our biblical interpretations known." Who gives a rats behind?
"Not one of the material universe." Is there any other kind? Even energy or force is carried by particles like photons, phonons, and gravitons.
"The biblical God is "you, me and everyone else", not what the Euros say."Again you contradict yourself. :roll:
"A god is that which rules you. The US Government is God. Your boss is god, you are god if you rule you, and you are god if you rule others." You forgot about money!
"The one known as the bible."Written by sheep herders that didn't know squat about modern science.
"The only other is---the creation of a special person, and the 7 days are the tenements of that creation-which is Adam. There's no material creation going on there." Really?
"God wears hats with different labels, authority is one of them. Authority is power/force, God. Or. I can be God, or you can. If you want to be God then I can be a counter force, this is where wars come from." I agree! From force which=God in your delusional mind.
"The book is about the Human verses the animal mind. It is a book of psychiatry." And just like psychology and psychiatry bull shit!,
"Christianity is nothing more then being a proper human toward others, known as 'social values'." "Christianity is a person minus the animal values." You may be correct there because animal show unconditional love and don't have inquisitions, religious wars, or a buybull to justify their hatreds, bigotries, prejudices, cruelties, and intolerances of other religions like Christians do.
"That's the one that works, which means, this book is not about a material universe, it's about the spiritual, and if that be the case it is about people." Right! And how fucked up they are compared to physical animals that can die unlike Christians that never stay dead.
"The physical is not the person, the mind is." So a person that is out of their mind and a lunatic is still a person without a body? Good luck with that one. :roll: Solitary
"We no longer belong to your world so we don't venture the same." OK Einstein.
"This is not a dealing of normal thought patterns." No truer thing has ever been said! =D> :rollin: :cry:
As you see it. But that's not how we see it. Of course this isn't dealing with normal thought patterns. We're pointing out that "the normal thought patterns" is where the world's problems are originating from. Those problems cannot be originating from anything else. Social problems originate from how people think. What you say is normal is what people were taught and forwarded by authorities. What's happened is all are living under "their" idea of right and wrong which is anything they find necessary to run the show. They can change normal by slightly changing the meaning of a word or a word string. Politicians do it regularly. Politics is a profession of deception. Civilization can exist only on deception. Truth will destroy it. It's why civilizations fail and must fail as anything false cannot survive itself. I don;'t care to go to the book because it turns floks here sideways but--- here's a biblical example. The time of Nimrod--- Nimrod is the founder of Babylon, he had to deceive in order to found it (typical politician) The passage is--as it has been said, as Nimrod a mighty hunter before the lord. -This is said by the people saying they've become as Nimrod the predator. (hunter =predator) This is typical of any civilization where under the people become as those running it. It is the same today-no different. So, what we see is --if those running create reality for the masses how do the people know what is real--they don't. They've been duped into thinking the authorities know best. Consider Nazi Geramy. There, one man recreates reality from the norm (which very likely wasn't reality either) and the people believed him. I'm sure you can reason this farther along then this yourself. Now the question we forward is (now I'm not accusing anyone here of anything) who's reality are we/the people under and what is it. Most floks think they can't be fooled, but the original fooling took place a few thousand years ago and is still in play today and isn't recognized. Nimrod created a new reality and fooled/deceived the people into following him as god. OK lets have a look at "the lord". Who's that? There wasn't anyone else around but---the people. The lord is the people. The tower of babel was never built except in small representative towers. The tower represents those towering over the masses. It's phoney. The tower was built of mudbrick and slime representative of Nimrods lies. A little truth arrives and it begins to slide and fall apart which Nimrods government did. It became so lie-bound the people became aware of it and in disgust threw up their hands and took off in all directions. So much for Nimrod's tower of power. No other civilization has lasted either unless it's constantly reinventing itself with more lies and the people fall for it--because the truth is kept from the people to keep them ignorant of the proceeding. Every government today works the same way, bar none. That is what we find. So then--how does one know what reality they are actually living under/within. In order to rule one must fool. It can never be any other way. What are normal thought patterns, True enough, the book is outside our normal thought patterns, that's why the Euros created a mess of it. :)
Force is not a deity, it is just force. Bear in mind I'm physicist. I understand force. All in the universe are under the same forces.
The term "God" is a Euro application and means nothing more then an unknown force. The tern is from ancient Europe and really doesn't apply correctly in the book. But their interpretation is most prominent in the world so it has to be used.
You need to look in a dictionary for proper definitions of animal and human. You'll find a mental one and a physical one for each. We and the book deal with the mental.
The book was not written by sheep herders. However-even tho sheep herders can be smart also. David was a very smart sheep herder, he became king.
So, I'm to believe you I take it--why, we don't feel that you have to believe us. What makes you right. (This is an experimental entry)
No I didn't forget money. Money can be and is god for many. I just didn't enter it.
We don't see where Atheist would do any different then Christians. There is no real Christians in the world today.
War doesn't need religion to happen.
Where there is no brain there is no one. Spiritual is a biblical term for "person". Person is mentality, there-fore spiritual is the person. There cannot be a spiritual out side a body. The person resides in the brain, no brain=no person.
Force need not be person. but in any case all a subject to it. God is that which one is subject to. But, the term god needs not to be used.
:)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"See post tue jul 30, 5:46 PM.
Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
I'm going to use that logic and start a career as an attorney.
-"you see your honor, my client said his claim of not robbing that bank is proof enough and therefore is innocent."
-"oh ok, you do have a point. he did say that he didn't do it. I guess I just have to interpret that he is innocent."
:rolleyes:
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Whelp... looks like I missed out on a great shit-show. I would like to get involved but I don't feel like reading a 2 day / 16 page thread right now.
Maybe later.
There's nothing to read. Move along.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Whelp... looks like I missed out on a great shit-show. I would like to get involved but I don't feel like reading a 2 day / 16 page thread right now.
Maybe later.
There's nothing to read. Move along.
Fidel:
We need different/better/more advanced methods of dealing with these people. Any suggestions? Cause I've tried everything from kindness and direct questions to throwing tomatoes at their noggins - ? And nothing seems to work. They seem to speak English and our responses are typed in English - but no - the communication is so lousy it could make your head hurt. WTF Fidel? What can we do with these people? What IS the problem?
::sigh::
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
It proves the book is a different story then previously thought. It's up to the individual to decide for them self. We only want to make the interpretation known. It works and makes sense. Using creation as the interpreter the book is a different story and makes sense. It shows clearly that creation is a matter of the mind not material. :)
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Whelp... looks like I missed out on a great shit-show. I would like to get involved but I don't feel like reading a 2 day / 16 page thread right now.
Maybe later.
There's nothing to read. Move along.
Fidel:
We need different/better/more advanced methods of dealing with these people. Any suggestions? Cause I've tried everything from kindness and direct questions to throwing tomatoes at their noggins - ? And nothing seems to work. They seem to speak English and our responses are typed in English - but no - the communication is so lousy it could make your head hurt. WTF Fidel? What can we do with these people? What IS the problem?
::sigh::
Sometimes, Bri, when life give you lemons, you've just got to eat bacon.
Point is, it's a little bit like asking google how it is. You'll just get loads of links to stuff that's completely irrelevent because google can't think, because it's a search engine.
In fact, I'd imagine that the responses by our smurf fellow guy person are similar to when you put something through google translate over and over and see what the response is. For example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01 ... 85249.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/16/fresh-prince-of-bel-air-rap-google-translate_n_2485249.html)
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
I'm going to use that logic and start a career as an attorney.
-"you see your honor, my client said his claim of not robbing that bank is proof enough and therefore is innocent."
-"oh ok, you do have a point. he did say that he didn't do it. I guess I just have to interpret that he is innocent."
:rolleyes:
It's not a matter of proof, it's a matter of acceptance. If it works it's correct. It proves creation is spiritual rather then material. This is what we are relaying--Whether one accepts it or not is not our concern. We say creation interprets to spiritual and it is. we are correct. The pope is a gonner. It might not be seen right off but if the religions are wrong which this shows clearly their religion is phoney in biblical terms that they rely on. In order to be biblically legit they have to interpret it our way. If they do--they destroy their religion. Their trapped. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"It's up to the individual to decide for them self.
And we have all decided that you're wrong. So why the fuck are you still here ?
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
I'm going to use that logic and start a career as an attorney.
-"you see your honor, my client said his claim of not robbing that bank is proof enough and therefore is innocent."
-"oh ok, you do have a point. he did say that he didn't do it. I guess I just have to interpret that he is innocent."
:rolleyes:
We're not trying to prove anything particularly. You're all missing the point why I'm here. Our interest is to make the alternative interpretation known. That's all we care about. Whether anyone accepts it is not our concern on the first count. We merely want others to have it and know about it. If it doesn't prove anything to anyone so be it---but now you do know it exists--that's the objective. Then I'm to give a few explanations and examples to show how it works and then move on. I said at the start that I'll be here only a short time. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"I said at the start that I'll be here only a short time. :)
So what are we talking about here. Days, months?
Quote from: "bada94"Quote from: "Old Seer"It's up to the individual to decide for them self.
And we have all decided that you're wrong. So why the fuck are you still here ?
To answer questions of any interested party. I'll be checking back from time to time, but for now I stand pat and wait to see where I'll be sent next. The other Smurfs will notify me if I'm needed back. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"We're not trying to prove anything particularly. You're all missing the point why I'm here. Our interest is to make the alternative interpretation known. That's all we care about. Whether anyone accepts it is not our concern on the first count. We merely want others to have it and know about it. If it doesn't prove anything to anyone so be it---but now you do know it exists--that's the objective. Then I'm to give a few explanations and examples to show how it works and then move on. I said at the start that I'll be here only a short time. :)
The fact that you've come here with an agenda to sell some regurgitation of the bible with No regard whatsoever to prove your findings says plenty.
It saddens me on behalf of your 'group of smurfs' that you won't explain who you are And that You are their spokesman - for you communication skills are sorely lacking. I said back on page 3 of this thread "move along" and we're back to that. (1) because you really don't READ what is written TO you. (2) you often do not respond. (3) your complaints are the same as all would-be knowers who pop by here to share **wisdom**.
It's not happening. Your group might consider another messenger - for this has been complete bullshit. And no amount of patience on My part has been able to bring you along.
Most members here consider the bible highly suspect so we aren't interested in some new tangled translation. Unless you hold some kind of credibility [which apparently you do not] we've no interest in your biblical interpretations. The book is full of crap and so are you.
You wish people here to Go Back into the thread and directly read and respond to you BUT you refuse to do the same. Questions have been posed which you averted - probably because to answer might reveal actual information abotu you. Cryptic crap is not really accepted here. And that's really all you have isn't it? Cryptic whatnots that you cannot prove and we've know idea who you might be to trust or not trust YOU as a source...
you follow?
So --- after all the back & forth and 'discussion' (if we can call it that) --- you only seem More full of crap than you did originally. I hope you've enjoyed your game. Take your translation and stick it. Shut up. Stop posting unless you can add something relevant.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"We're not trying to prove anything particularly. You're all missing the point why I'm here. Our interest is to make the alternative interpretation known. That's all we care about. Whether anyone accepts it is not our concern on the first count. We merely want others to have it and know about it. If it doesn't prove anything to anyone so be it---but now you do know it exists--that's the objective. Then I'm to give a few explanations and examples to show how it works and then move on. I said at the start that I'll be here only a short time. :)
The fact that you've come here with an agenda to sell some regurgitation of the bible with No regard whatsoever to prove your findings says plenty.
It saddens me on behalf of your 'group of smurfs' that you won't explain who you are And that You are their spokesman - for you communication skills are sorely lacking. I said back on page 3 of this thread "move along" and we're back to that. (1) because you really don't READ what is written TO you. (2) you often do not respond. (3) your complaints are the same as all would-be knowers who pop by here to share **wisdom**.
It's not happening. Your group might consider another messenger - for this has been complete bullshit. And no amount of patience on My part has been able to bring you along.
Most members here consider the bible highly suspect so we aren't interested in some new tangled translation. Unless you hold some kind of credibility [which apparently you do not] we've no interest in your biblical interpretations. The book is full of crap and so are you.
You wish people here to Go Back into the thread and directly read and respond to you BUT you refuse to do the same. Questions have been posed which you averted - probably because to answer might reveal actual information abotu you. Cryptic crap is not really accepted here. And that's really all you have isn't it? Cryptic whatnots that you cannot prove and we've know idea who you might be to trust or not trust YOU as a source...
you follow?
So --- after all the back & forth and 'discussion' (if we can call it that) --- you only seem More full of crap than you did originally. I hope you've enjoyed your game. Take your translation and stick it. Shut up. Stop posting unless you can add something relevant.
" But we're not trying to prove anything, we're just offering our interpretation. Wether you accept it or not is not our concern :) " sounds like something he would respond with.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"We're not trying to prove anything particularly. You're all missing the point why I'm here. Our interest is to make the alternative interpretation known. That's all we care about. Whether anyone accepts it is not our concern on the first count. We merely want others to have it and know about it. If it doesn't prove anything to anyone so be it---but now you do know it exists--that's the objective. Then I'm to give a few explanations and examples to show how it works and then move on. I said at the start that I'll be here only a short time. :)
The fact that you've come here with an agenda to sell some regurgitation of the bible with No regard whatsoever to prove your findings says plenty.
It saddens me on behalf of your 'group of smurfs' that you won't explain who you are And that You are their spokesman - for you communication skills are sorely lacking. I said back on page 3 of this thread "move along" and we're back to that. (1) because you really don't READ what is written TO you. (2) you often do not respond. (3) your complaints are the same as all would-be knowers who pop by here to share **wisdom**.
It's not happening. Your group might consider another messenger - for this has been complete bullshit. And no amount of patience on My part has been able to bring you along.
Most members here consider the bible highly suspect so we aren't interested in some new tangled translation. Unless you hold some kind of credibility [which apparently you do not] we've no interest in your biblical interpretations. The book is full of crap and so are you.
You wish people here to Go Back into the thread and directly read and respond to you BUT you refuse to do the same. Questions have been posed which you averted - probably because to answer might reveal actual information abotu you. Cryptic crap is not really accepted here. And that's really all you have isn't it? Cryptic whatnots that you cannot prove and we've know idea who you might be to trust or not trust YOU as a source...
you follow?
So --- after all the back & forth and 'discussion' (if we can call it that) --- you only seem More full of crap than you did originally. I hope you've enjoyed your game. Take your translation and stick it. Shut up. Stop posting unless you can add something relevant.
Even with excellent communications skills, the essence of the "philosophy" will still be logically flawed. It might be presented faster and to the point, but it's still going to be wonky.
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"So --- after all the back & forth and 'discussion' (if we can call it that) --- you only seem More full of crap than you did originally. I hope you've enjoyed your game. Take your translation and stick it. Shut up. Stop posting unless you can add something relevant.
Even with excellent communications skills, the essence of the "philosophy" will still be logically flawed. It might be presented faster and to the point, but it's still going to be wonky.
Exactly. Because biblical interpretation has been THE #1 problem and issue since the book was compiled in the first place. Why would THIS time be any different? *sigh* How many denominations lay claim to have interpreted the 'word of god' correctly? Isn't that number well into the 400s by now?
:rollin: When people believe in nonsense and quit believing in it they will believe in anything with the same kind of irrational thinking. :roll:
Time flies when you're not wondering about the welfare of the Smurfs, those diminutive, animated blue-skinned forest-dwellers. Turns out they've been just fine since their 2011 big-screen outing, but there's trouble brewing in their new adventure-comedy that will require their curious blend of wide-eyed optimism and goofy enthusiasm to peacefully resolve.
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Quote from: "Old Seer"To answer questions of any interested party. I'll be checking back from time to time, but for now I stand pat and wait to see where I'll be sent next. The other Smurfs will notify me if I'm needed back. :)
Antoine de Caunes would be proud! :D
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"So --- after all the back & forth and 'discussion' (if we can call it that) --- you only seem More full of crap than you did originally. I hope you've enjoyed your game. Take your translation and stick it. Shut up. Stop posting unless you can add something relevant.
Even with excellent communications skills, the essence of the "philosophy" will still be logically flawed. It might be presented faster and to the point, but it's still going to be wonky.
Exactly. Because biblical interpretation has been THE #1 problem and issue since the book was compiled in the first place. Why would THIS time be any different? *sigh* How many denominations lay claim to have interpreted the 'word of god' correctly? Isn't that number well into the 400s by now?
This is a point that you are all having trouble with, and of course we expect people would have troubles with it. It will take one a bit of time to realize things. That's why, if you notice -I have extreme patience with all. What you don't see today you may see sometime later, that's how it worked with us--and still today we come across things not seen previous.
IF this is an alternate interpretation and it does better for one's understanding then the other, and the present Christian (so called--they're not) religions didn't have it all this time the public will know they've been had all these years. Be aware now--all these religions are saying they're not wrong, and the leaders are inspired and chosen by some god or another--that claim has to be a deception and will be shown to the public as such. If they are all that enlightened why didn't they see this. There are 3 billion people on the planet that say they are Christian, and if they have been misled or find their leaders have been wrong, 3 billion floks find out they haven't been Christians--(and they're not). The spiritual interpretation proves from the book that "they" use that they have been deceived, and in many cases willfully so by the leaders. There can be only 2 directions of interpretation of the book, and impossible for there to be any others. There is various interpretations of the present one, true it is, and there can be various of the spiritual one. But, each variation of the spiritual one still is going to be a different story then the material one. We now have two competing interpretations. Which one is the true. Each has to decide that for them self--but, it clearly shows the leaders to be wrong. If they're wrong the people will now know. They can't have it both ways once both are known, a person then is forced <--- to go to one or the other. The spiritual interpretation will cause a different result on society then the material one. If you compare the difference in the interpretation of the flood (that I posted)of Noah's time correlated and interpreted from the symbolism's of creation, and the spiritual/mental makes sense over the material----OOOps somebody goofed. Somebody is wrong. Both can't be right and both can't be wrong. If one is a Christian (so called), somebody's religion is gone. Wouldn't one be forced to go with what makes sense over what doesn't. If you're the Pope you have a lot of explaining to do. If I was a Christian I want to why you (the Pope) didn't know this, and if you did, you've been hiding it to keep you bogus religion going. This is where it's not a matter of proving--it's a matter of what makes sense. Proof or not--one has to go with what makes sense. As a Christian of any denomination you would be trapped. You would have some decisions to make. :)
I'm not having any trouble translating talking snakes and donkeys, or even a woman made from a man's rib. :rollin: :rolleyes: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"I'm not having any trouble translating talking snakes and donkeys, or even a woman made from a man's rib. :rollin: :rolleyes: Solitary
Mores the point why would anyone Bother trying to translate the Bible - again? :rollin:
Quote from: "Old Seer"IF this is an alternate interpretation and it does better for one's understanding then the other, and the present Christian (so called--they're not) religions didn't have it all this time the public will know they've been had all these years.
I'll give you this much. What you're up to is probably no worse than Christianity.
But you are still pitching this to a group of atheists. The problem is that most atheists are atheists for a reason, and that reason is that most of us here (I think) are skeptics first. Not all of course; You can be an atheist for no logical reason, but that doesn't make any more logical sense than theism to me.
What you obviously lack in your [so called] atheist philosophy is healthy skepticism, and while I can't speak for all atheists, I would venture to say that most of us here are skeptics first. We aren't closed to new ideas, but without evidence, we don't embrace anything somebody tells us without convincing evidence.
You won't get away with "Well just go and see for yourself." If that's all it took, we would have to start researching teapots that orbit Jupiter, the possibility that little blue smurfs actually exist in woodlands, and well, you get the idea. We are not inclined to bother looking into any cockamamie thought that could possibly farkle through someone's head. This would overwhelm even an Einstein.
I'm sure you have an inkling about the type of common sense I'm talking about, because you're not about to research cockamamie ideas either. But you have selectively chosen one pet farkle thought of your own as worthy for a reason that is beyond logical comprehension. It's just something you have attached yourself to.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
that right there made me dismiss him some 10 pages ago. You guys are generous troll feeders.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
that right there made me dismiss him some 10 pages ago. You guys are generous troll feeders.
It's a sport. Not a hobby. :rollin:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Solitary"I'm not having any trouble translating talking snakes and donkeys, or even a woman made from a man's rib. :rollin: :rolleyes: Solitary
Mores the point why would anyone Bother trying to translate the Bible - again? :rollin:
It achieved perfection with the lolcats translation.
I like to feed the birds in my back yard too, and they may be dumber, or not, than this troll. :wink: :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
that right there made me dismiss him some 10 pages ago. You guys are generous troll feeders.
Adam was over 7000 years ago or even a long time before. He/they was the basis of the ancient Hebrew religion, and the basis of Christianity. Christianity is derived from Adam and is the same. It is his tenants the Hebrews they fell away from. They themselves don't even know that because they lost it. Today the Hebrew religion is no different then any other. We researched it. It's labeled Christianity today because of JC, But Christianity can be labeled Adamism. If we used "Adamism" it would be more confusing. (this is intended to be informative only)
To AITM--We "are" Skeptics. Our skepticism is why we made the study. We understand Atheism -. I've been an Atheist since 1964 or there abouts. This is not an attack on Atheists. We're not about preaching to anyone--we are conveying our interpretation. We can find no intelligent being in the book that created the material universe. There is/was no Hebrew religion before Adam. An Atheist can be a Christian/Adamite. Christian/Adam technically isn't a religion, it's a particular personage that anyone can be or aspire to. It's the Europeans that made it a religion from their former one. They never have been true Christians. ( not to preach but to be informative). :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Adam was over 7000 years ago or even a long time before.
[citation needed]
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Saw it. It doesn't PROVE a thing!
Yeah, but if you re-read it and interpret it as proof, then it proves EVERYTHING!
It proves the book is a different story then previously thought. It's up to the individual to decide for them self. We only want to make the interpretation known. It works and makes sense. Using creation as the interpreter the book is a different story and makes sense. It shows clearly that creation is a matter of the mind not material. :)
No it doesn't. You could say that about anything. "I looked at a stone first as a stone, then I decided that I would just change the definition of stone to apple. And now it's an apple. It's all in how you look at it." Pretty stupid and childish. Not at all scientific or logical. It doesn't make sense at all. The fallicy is that you are trying to make something different than it really is for YOUR purposes.
Heres the thing. Even if we could accept your nutjob idea. You can't make the fundemental connection of a god/force/authority/paperclip and a creation that is controlled by said god/force/authority/paperclip.
Does science think that our universe was created by the big bang. YUUUUUP, but that doesn't mean that that "force" is in anyway a god. It only means that a HUUUUUUGE explotion took place billions of years ago, and that's it!
I could go around relabeling evrything to suit my fancy, and then with utter condescention decide that everyone that doesn't accept MY labels are just animals or whatever label I decide to give them.
All you've done is a bunch of relabeling. You haven't constructed one single shred of evidence to supprt your hairbrained idea.
Then you've decided to use the bible to supprot your nutjob idea. The fact is the bible is a collection of folklore written down by primative men. There is nothing special about it. It wasn't influence or inspired by any god. The people that wrote the book of allagory didn't write it with any thought of your idea at all. It isn't about animal vs. human, or humane vs. inhumane. It's just a collection of old stories. You just can't spin what you are trying to spin. Historically scientifically it just doesn't fit.
The bible has several flaws. The most telling is that it doesn't exceed its timeframe of when it was actually written. It doesn't exceed a geographic location beyond about 25 miles. It doesn't have any knowledge of cultures and creatures beyond that time period or location. It doesn't provide knowledge beyond what was known at the time.
There is NO revelation in the bible other than the title of one of its books.
You can't glean from it what you have decided to make up.
You are using a well known overused tactic that every snake oil salesman and theist has used for centuries. The simple words in the bible have a "mysterious" meaning that can't be known by normal people using normal methods. What a bunch of crap. The bible was written using the normal method. So don't come here and spew your utter bullshit and essentially say that we are all subhuman just because we demand that you PROVE your sillyass ideas and the fact that you won't and can't we just don't believe you.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I looked at a stone first as a stone, then I decided that I would just change the definition of stone to apple. And now it's an apple. It's all in how you look at it.
If I interpret a stone as an apple, I still can't eat it :(
yeah my belly says a big "NO" to eating stones. Nope Nope Nope. :rollin: I don't even need science to set me straight on that one.
:wtf:
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Great guns. (he exclaimed) It looks like you all got a hold of something you can't let go of. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Great guns. (he exclaimed) It looks like you all got a hold of something you can't let go of. :)
Yup. Our contempt for you.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
that right there made me dismiss him some 10 pages ago. You guys are generous troll feeders.
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Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Old Seer"Great guns. (he exclaimed) It looks like you all got a hold of something you can't let go of. :)
Yup. Our contempt for you.
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Christianity is the oldest known religion.
that right there made me dismiss him some 10 pages ago. You guys are generous troll feeders.
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Alpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is) charge by your legal definitions and delete this entire tread. As far as we know I've done nothing to be a troll---(whatever that is). According to them (ahem) a troll is one who causes purposeful disruption of normal discourse.--end quote (whatever that is). I didn't do any of that and they know it. You did it to yourselves (according to them). I'm not responsible for anyone's failure to obey the rules. They don't know of anywhere on the thread that I called anyone subhuman,dolts, idiots ingrates or any of the like. See, we have our own monitors. Any references to human, animal, etc was strictly for insight purposes. Anyone taking offense to those insights are responsible for their own interpretations. Ok, proceed with the proceedings. :)
Alpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is) charge by your legal definitions and delete this entire tread. As far as we know I've done nothing to be a troll---(whatever that is). According to them (ahem) a troll is one who causes purposeful disruption of normal discourse.--end quote (whatever that is). I didn't do any of that and they know it. You did it to yourselves (according to them). I'm not responsible for anyone's failure to obey the rules. They don't know of anywhere on the thread that I called anyone subhuman,dolts, idiots ingrates or any of the like. See, we have our own monitors. Any references to human, animal, etc was strictly for insight purposes. Anyone taking offense to those insights are responsible for their own interpretations. Ok, proceed with the proceedings. :)[/quote]
Ah the old denial of guilt by talking to the voices(smurfs) in your head trick. We've seen it before o' condescending one. Try again poohead!
Quote from: "Old Seer"Alpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is) charge by your legal definitions and delete this entire tread.* As far as we know I've done nothing to be a troll---(whatever that is). According to them (ahem) a troll is one who causes purposeful disruption of normal discourse.--end quote (whatever that is). I didn't do any of that and they know it. You did it to yourselves (according to them). I'm not responsible for anyone's failure to obey the rules. They don't know of anywhere on the thread that I called anyone subhuman,dolts, idiots ingrates or any of the like. See, we have our own monitors. Any references to human, animal, etc was strictly for insight purposes. Anyone taking offense to those insights are responsible for their own interpretations. Ok, proceed with the proceedings. :)
Troll be trollin' :lol:
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*As an aside, we don't delete threads. Victim complex much? Perhaps if you simply
LURKED MOAR you'd know this. Oh the trollz.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Alpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is) charge by your legal definitions and delete this entire tread. As far as we know I've done nothing to be a troll---(whatever that is). According to them (ahem) a troll is one who causes purposeful disruption of normal discourse.--end quote (whatever that is). I didn't do any of that and they know it. You did it to yourselves (according to them). I'm not responsible for anyone's failure to obey the rules. They don't know of anywhere on the thread that I called anyone subhuman,dolts, idiots ingrates or any of the like. See, we have our own monitors. Any references to human, animal, etc was strictly for insight purposes. Anyone taking offense to those insights are responsible for their own interpretations. Ok, proceed with the proceedings. :)
Ah the old denial of guilt by talking to the voices(smurfs) in your head trick. We've seen it before o' condescending one. Try again poohead![/quote]
Any questions on biblical insights. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Adam was over 7000 years ago or even a long time before.
We "are" Skeptics.
you're an idiot. blab on about being an atheist then jump on the idea that some book proven to be babbling nonsense has the factual truth to it that is hidden in more gibberish. Gobleki Tepi existed 4,000 years before the jews called themselves the jews. Chavet has images 35,000 yrs ago that suggest religious beliefs. Go away, you're making a fool of yourself.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Great guns. (he exclaimed) It looks like you all got a hold of something you can't let go of. :)
Right! Like a piece of shit that stinks to high heaven. :rollin: :roll: :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Adam was over 7000 years ago or even a long time before.
We "are" Skeptics.
you're an idiot. blab on about being an atheist then jump on the idea that some book proven to be babbling nonsense has the factual truth to it that is hidden in more gibberish. Gobleki Tepi existed 4,000 years before the jews called themselves the jews. Chavet has images 35,000 yrs ago that suggest religious beliefs. Go away, you're making a fool of yourself.
Any questions on biblical insights. :)
QuoteAlpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is)
You want to make a bet on that?
Make sure you look at the definition of a troll in red below!
Here's what a troll is so you know: In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
While this sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling also used to describe intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do. Others have addressed the same issue, e.g., Claire Hardaker, in her Ph.D. thesis "Trolling in asynchronous computer-mediated communication:
From user discussions to academic definitions", and Dr. Phil. Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely, in sources as diverse as the Urban Dictionary, Nicole Sullivan's keynote speech at the 2012 Fluent Conference, titled "Don't Feed the Trolls" Gizmodo, online opinions on the subject written by Silicon Valley executives and comics.
Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
A popular early article defining and explaining the issue of Internet Trolls included the suggestion, The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls..
The "trollface" is an image occasionally used to indicate trolling in Internet culture.
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
We have no doubt about being atheist, so it isn't going to happen here phony atheist! :rollin:
An example of this occurred in 2006 when Tad Furtado, a staffer for then-Congressman Charles Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass' opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH". "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable Hodes eventually won the election.
Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline. For example, James Wolcott of Vanity Fair accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to what Saul Alinsky calls "Do-Nothings", giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothings' method and effects:
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" These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'. "
The Hill published an op-ed piece by Markos Moulitsas of the liberal blog Daily Kos titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'". The concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient".
He could be a Christian Atheist (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism).
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"He could be a Christian Atheist (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_atheism).
Yes he could, because he does seem like an oxymoron. :lol: Solitary
...and fails to recognize the importance of her Dental Deity and where fossils come from. They're ground up childrens teeth and THAT takes a buttload of money.. :-k
I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Boredom. We haven't had a live troll in some time here and they ARE fun to play with, but ultimately dull in the long run..
Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well there is an ignore button. I happen to be using it on him at the moment. I'm kind of interested to know why no one else is.
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well there is an ignore button. I happen to be using it on him at the moment. I'm kind of interested to know why no one else is.
I think the guy above you explained it very well. I get his point, my only point here is that some people responding to him seem to be getting somewhat stressed/angry, and it's unneeded and unnecessary.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"Adam was over 7000 years ago or even a long time before.
We "are" Skeptics.
you're an idiot. blab on about being an atheist then jump on the idea that some book proven to be babbling nonsense has the factual truth to it that is hidden in more gibberish. Gobleki Tepi existed 4,000 years before the jews called themselves the jews. Chavet has images 35,000 yrs ago that suggest religious beliefs. Go away, you're making a fool of yourself.
Any questions on biblical insights. :)
Biblical insights? Are you serious. You haven't offered any biblical insights. And BTW saying that Adam is 7000 years old and the basis for christianity is as chronolically incorrect and inaccurate a statement as could be made. This PROVES that you have no credibility. You couldn't provide and insight for anything, other than being the subject of a case study for the mentally disturbed.
Lets get real shall we? You are misinterpriting the bible for your own agenda. You haven't provided ANY evidence to support what you have been posting. Adam being 7000 years old....Hmmmm....got any proof to substantiate that claim. Adam being the basis of christianity, well that can't be correct. You see jesus christ appeared about 2000 years ago roughly, http://www.mitchellteachers.org/WorldHi ... ianity.htm (http://www.mitchellteachers.org/WorldHistory/AncientRome/BeginningsofChristianity.htm) and you couldn't call ANYTHING "christian" until after that appearence. So there ya go, proof positive that you are just making shit up. Actually even though "christianity" started roughly 2000 years ago, it really didn't come into being until 400 years after christ was supposedly crucified. Even then the bible had been so modified that the original writters would have hardly have recognized it.
Don't know what version you and all the smurfs in your head are using but rest assured it isn't even close to the original.
Can't you see why in the world everyone is calling bullshit on your fucked up theory, and you claiming that we should all have patience and all will be revealed, doesn't help. We have given you ample time and opportunity to substantiate your claims, but you won't even try. I honestly believe that you haven't a clue what a fact is, let alone substantiating a fact. Which also leads me to the conclussion that you are not what you claim to be. Any proffessional highly educated person, witha degree, and a second level degree at that, has had to wite a thesis, has to argue for that thesis, has to provide facts to substantiate their claims in that thesis. In fact, you'd have to do it many many times. Not just for the term paper for just about every class in all but the most elementary classes, but to achieve a Masters Degree, a Phd, and even just to obtain a Bachelors in some subjects, you would have to master that discipline. You haven't done that at all here and that is what is required.
So I am calling you flat out a fraud!!!!!!!
Quote from: "frosty"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well there is an ignore button. I happen to be using it on him at the moment. I'm kind of interested to know why no one else is.
I think the guy above you explained it very well. I get his point, my only point here is that some people responding to him seem to be getting somewhat stressed/angry, and it's unneeded and unnecessary.
Thank you. If I would have posted this i would be called a troll. I can't understand what all the anger is about either. :)
In response to a post.--but we do have guys with all those credentials you mentioned. Several are retired college profs, Especially the Psycho Smurfs who have years "in the chair" as they call it. Are you saying these guys don't know what they're looking at. They are the basis for the findings. The 3rd one joined only a year ago last spring --and jumped at the opportunity to be with this outfit--absolutely baffled as to why he's never seen this before. When I met him at Quartzsite AZ he pointed out how he wished he had known these things during his practice. If he had known the concept of the "animal vs human concept he could have helped his patients understand many of their problems---especially in marriages. :)
Quote from: "Solitary"QuoteAlpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is)
You want to make a bet on that?
Make sure you look at the definition of a troll in red below!
Here's what a troll is so you know: In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
While this sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling also used to describe intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do. Others have addressed the same issue, e.g., Claire Hardaker, in her Ph.D. thesis "Trolling in asynchronous computer-mediated communication:
From user discussions to academic definitions", and Dr. Phil. Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely, in sources as diverse as the Urban Dictionary, Nicole Sullivan's keynote speech at the 2012 Fluent Conference, titled "Don't Feed the Trolls" Gizmodo, online opinions on the subject written by Silicon Valley executives and comics.
Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
A popular early article defining and explaining the issue of Internet Trolls included the suggestion, The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls..
The "trollface" is an image occasionally used to indicate trolling in Internet culture.
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
We have no doubt about being atheist, so it isn't going to happen here phony atheist! :rollin:
An example of this occurred in 2006 when Tad Furtado, a staffer for then-Congressman Charles Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass' opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH". "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable Hodes eventually won the election.
Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline. For example, James Wolcott of Vanity Fair accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to what Saul Alinsky calls "Do-Nothings", giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothings' method and effects:
Solitary
" These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'. "
The Hill published an op-ed piece by Markos Moulitsas of the liberal blog Daily Kos titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'". The concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient".
We can find no intelligent god in the book except people. Therefore we recognize no deity, theocracy, or any thing else. We do not believe in any god other then man. We believe in the human entity and have faith in man. The universe is formed out of the big bang. We accept that but there are physicists that question that to be true. but we accept it until it is bettered or changed--to that which we agree with. The god idea belongs to the Euro concept, not ours. We do not worship "people", there's no need to. The god that the Euros claim to exist does not. There's no such thing or personage. People, all are a development of evolution, which is quite obvious to us. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Solitary"QuoteAlpha Smurf predicts--- you'll all run with your tales between your legs on some troll (whatever that is)
You want to make a bet on that?
Make sure you look at the definition of a troll in red below!
Here's what a troll is so you know: In Internet slang, a troll (/?tro?l/, /?tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
While this sense of the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling also used to describe intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."
Application of the term troll is subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation.
As noted in an OS News article titled "Why People Troll and How to Stop Them" (January 25, 2012), "The traditional definition of trolling includes intent. That is, trolls purposely disrupt forums. This definition is too narrow. Whether someone intends to disrupt a thread or not, the results are the same if they do. Others have addressed the same issue, e.g., Claire Hardaker, in her Ph.D. thesis "Trolling in asynchronous computer-mediated communication:
From user discussions to academic definitions", and Dr. Phil. Popular recognition of the existence (and prevalence) of non-deliberate, "accidental trolls", has been documented widely, in sources as diverse as the Urban Dictionary, Nicole Sullivan's keynote speech at the 2012 Fluent Conference, titled "Don't Feed the Trolls" Gizmodo, online opinions on the subject written by Silicon Valley executives and comics.
Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts – hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".
A popular early article defining and explaining the issue of Internet Trolls included the suggestion, The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls..
The "trollface" is an image occasionally used to indicate trolling in Internet culture.
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
We have no doubt about being atheist, so it isn't going to happen here phony atheist! :rollin:
An example of this occurred in 2006 when Tad Furtado, a staffer for then-Congressman Charles Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass' opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH". "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable Hodes eventually won the election.
Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline. For example, James Wolcott of Vanity Fair accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to what Saul Alinsky calls "Do-Nothings", giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothings' method and effects:
Solitary
" These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'. "
The Hill published an op-ed piece by Markos Moulitsas of the liberal blog Daily Kos titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'". The concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient".
We can find no intelligent god in the book except people. Therefore we recognize no deity, theocracy, or any thing else. We do not believe in any god other then man. We believe in the human entity and have faith in man. The universe is formed out of the big bang. We accept that but there are physicists that question that to be true. but we accept it until it is bettered or changed--to that which we agree with. The god idea belongs to the Euro concept, not ours. We do not worship "people", there's no need to. The god that the Euros claim to exist does not. There's no such thing or personage. People, all are a development of evolution, which is quite obvious to us. We are in no way sowing discord. The objective is to make persons aware of a new interpretation of the book. It is not up to us to say it's true for anyone else. Any acceptance is strictly decided by the receivers and is not our concern. We are in no way recruiting anyone, badgering anyone, degrading anyone, forcing anyone or expecting anyone to believe in or follow us. The Smufdom is closed and only close friends of a present member are considered. There-for-there is nothing for us to gain.
You'll have to do better than that Old Seer. I want names. I want references. I want facts. I want independent verification. Don't submit a little quaint story about someone that probably isn't real. I don't think you have ANY qualifications. I don't think there is anyone but YOU! I think that you are some lonely sad person trolling for attention.
Quote from: "mykcob4"You'll have to do better than that Old Seer. I want names. I want references. I want facts. I want independent verification. Don't submit a little quaint story about someone that probably isn't real. I don't think you have ANY qualifications. I don't think there is anyone but YOU! I think that you are some lonely sad person trolling for attention.
Sorry about that- It takes more then one person to find what was found. It took different people with different points of view and backgrounds. What one doesn't see or know another may or see and know for sure. The team was put together before I ever joined--so the group is not my idea. If not--I would be a genius then--right---naaah not hardly. I would be beyond the MENZA society. :)
Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well it is true that any of us can hit the ignore button at any time. True enough. But if you don't understand mine or anyone else's frustration then you've not really read the thread. And that's ok. Probably shouldn't read through it if you're not interested enough. But....... I will add that a couple of us Were interested enough to give the guy the benefit of a doubt. That's all.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well it is true that any of us can hit the ignore button at any time. True enough. But if you don't understand mine or anyone else's frustration then you've not really read the thread. And that's ok. Probably shouldn't read through it if you're not interested enough. But....... I will add that a couple of us Were interested enough to give the guy the benefit of a doubt. That's all.
Frosty is correct.
1- if you attack I will defend-if you don't post there's nothing more to defend, and I can be on my way sooner.
2- Their stress is self inflicted, true. But you don't need to lock the thread. Someone may see some merit to this and ask a question that I will find sometime later. Or, be notified by the others when on the road.
3- No Frosty--this is not being done to antagonize anyone. We don't work that way and such things aren't in our agenda. Remember--our objective is to be human. To do what you said would be inhuman. Alpha smurf would be on me like a hound. I am representative of a group not just myself.
4- My assignment basically is to post the interpretation, hang around to answer questions if any, when the questions cease---move on to next assignment. This is why I began to ask for questions.
5- You all want proof---Ok, but there isn't any. There are no academics type except us that know about this. So you can't go to them and they would reject it just as you-we know that. The only thing you can do is wait for this to spread (which we find is) and see what people say--or think. Over time it will work for you as it did us. Your brain works on things automatically- storing that, putting that there, collating and coalescing and filing on it's own. Occasionally something will occur to you all on it's own. You don't even have to think about it. At some point things will begin to come together. It will eventually become something accepted or rejected depending upon one,s personal makeup. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"You'll have to do better than that Old Seer. I want names. I want references. I want facts. I want independent verification. Don't submit a little quaint story about someone that probably isn't real. I don't think you have ANY qualifications. I don't think there is anyone but YOU! I think that you are some lonely sad person trolling for attention.
Sorry about that- It takes more then one person to find what was found. It took different people with different points of view and backgrounds. What one doesn't see or know another may or see and know for sure. The team was put together before I ever joined--so the group is not my idea. If not--I would be a genius then--right---naaah not hardly. I would be beyond the MENZA society. :)
Not good enough! I want credentials. I want names! I at least want references! I want facts, verification, and independent verification.
What I don't want is some lame reference to MENZA, as if you could even come close to qualify. I don't want to hear how many people it takes. I want facts. I want substaintiated proof, of not only your supposed findings, but who and what you are.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "frosty"I just don't understand why so many people here are saying this guy is a troll, and are starting to get visibly frustrated with the guy yet they keep on feeding him. All the stress as a result of "Old Seer" being here is self inflicted. Lock the thread, ignore him and he will be forgotten in 10 minutes.
Old Seer knows exactly what he is doing and he is getting a huge kick out of it.
Well it is true that any of us can hit the ignore button at any time. True enough. But if you don't understand mine or anyone else's frustration then you've not really read the thread. And that's ok. Probably shouldn't read through it if you're not interested enough. But....... I will add that a couple of us Were interested enough to give the guy the benefit of a doubt. That's all.
Frosty is correct.
1- if you attack I will defend-if you don't post there's nothing more to defend, and I can be on my way sooner.
2- Their stress is self inflicted, true. But you don't need to lock the thread. Someone may see some merit to this and ask a question that I will find sometime later. Or, be notified by the others when on the road.
3- No Frosty--this is not being done to antagonize anyone. We don't work that way and such things aren't in our agenda. Remember--our objective is to be human. To do what you said would be inhuman. Alpha smurf would be on me like a hound. I am representative of a group not just myself.
4- My assignment basically is to post the interpretation, hang around to answer questions if any, when the questions cease---move on to next assignment. This is why I began to ask for questions.
5- You all want proof---Ok, but there isn't any. There are no academics type except us that know about this. So you can't go to them and they would reject it just as you-we know that. The only thing you can do is wait for this to spread (which we find is) and see what people say--or think. Over time it will work for you as it did us. Your brain works on things automatically- storing that, putting that there, collating and coalescing and filing on it's own. Occasionally something will occur to you all on it's own. You don't even have to think about it. At some point things will begin to come together. It will eventually become something accepted or rejected depending upon one,s personal makeup. :)
No goofball! You didn't answer any questions. The only thing that you have spread is a bunch of nonsense. Noone has inflicted stress on themselves except maybe YOU!
Man am I get stressed! :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :lol: Laughter always stresses me out. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :lol: :roll: ANGRY? I don't get angry with Old Seer's ignorance. :lol: Solitary
A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.
We have no doubt about being atheist, so it isn't going to happen here phony atheist! :rollin:
An example of this occurred in 2006 when Tad Furtado, a staffer for then-Congressman Charles Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a "concerned" supporter of Bass' opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms "IndieNH" or "IndyNH". "IndyNH" expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable Hodes eventually won the election.
Although the term "concern troll" originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline. For example, James Wolcott of Vanity Fair accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of "concern troll" behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to what Saul Alinsky calls "Do-Nothings", giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothings' method and effects:
Solitary
" These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, 'I agree with your ends but not your means'. "
The Hill published an op-ed piece by Markos Moulitsas of the liberal blog Daily Kos titled "Dems: Ignore 'Concern Trolls'". The concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines "concern trolling" as "offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient".
We can find no intelligent god in the book except people. Therefore we recognize no deity, theocracy, or any thing else. We do not believe in any god other then man. We believe in the human entity and have faith in man. The universe is formed out of the big bang. We accept that but there are physicists that question that to be true. but we accept it until it is bettered or changed--to that which we agree with. The god idea belongs to the Euro concept, not ours. We do not worship "people", there's no need to. The god that the Euros claim to exist does not. There's no such thing or personage. People, all are a development of evolution, which is quite obvious to us. We are in no way sowing discord. The objective is to make persons aware of a new interpretation of the book. It is not up to us to say it's true for anyone else. Any acceptance is strictly decided by the receivers and is not our concern. We are in no way recruiting anyone, badgering anyone, degrading anyone, forcing anyone or expecting anyone to believe in or follow us. The Smufdom is closed and only close friends of a present member are considered. There-for-there is nothing for us to gain.
Double post and "WE" are getting stressed out? :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P 8-) =D> :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"You'll have to do better than that Old Seer. I want names. I want references. I want facts. I want independent verification. Don't submit a little quaint story about someone that probably isn't real. I don't think you have ANY qualifications. I don't think there is anyone but YOU! I think that you are some lonely sad person trolling for attention.
Sorry about that- It takes more then one person to find what was found. It took different people with different points of view and backgrounds. What one doesn't see or know another may or see and know for sure. The team was put together before I ever joined--so the group is not my idea. If not--I would be a genius then--right---naaah not hardly. I would be beyond the MENZA society. :)
Not good enough! I want credentials. I want names! I at least want references! I want facts, verification, and independent verification.
What I don't want is some lame reference to MENZA, as if you could even come close to qualify. I don't want to hear how many people it takes. I want facts. I want substaintiated proof, of not only your supposed findings, but who and what you are.
What you have to do is take the interpretation to a Psychiatrist and see what he or she thinks of it. We don't need to take it to a Psychiatrist because we have 3 of our own. it will take him/her a bit to understand what you have--but eventually he/she will understand it. You may run into the same problem we're having here. He/she like you all, see human as human animal and it will take him/her a while to understand or work through that. Being this is a book of the mind (except for Hebrew history) a Psycho type is the ones to take it to. No other Psycho dude in the world has this--yet. The easiest way that we know of is to explain what creation is in our interpretation and compare it with Noah's flood to show why it works the way it does, and then he/she can make an analysis. What you need to understand is (as I said before) this is a new interpretation and there's few at this time that know about it. There's no way at this time to accommodate your request. Whose names do you want--I don't have any to give. I can't give you any Smurfs background--I've never had any records of them. I don't even know at this time where any are because we travel a great deal, and it's important they remain anonymous for their safety. Any Psycho dude when recognizing what this is will deem it very dangerous material. So-- the Smurfs must remain anonymous. One at a time goes public if necessary. If you don't think this is dangerous do with it as I say. Any clergy won't listen so no sense going there. We only want to deal with the public and let the people decide. There is no independent verification at this time as we haven't given it to any other then the public and at this time it's only a small number of people. We're just getting started at this time. Don't worry--the government floks will get it in due time, and they'll be looking for us. So far I'm the only one they'll find right off. Do as I request--take it to a psycho dude. We know what's going to happen. He/she won't see it right away maybe, but when he/she does you'll get a call. Be sure they have you phone number.
Quote from: "Old Seer"The god idea belongs to the Euro concept, not ours. The god that the Euros claim to exist does not.
You keep using that word, Euro.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Frosty is correct.
1- if you attack I will defend-if you don't post there's nothing more to defend, and I can be on my way sooner.
2- Their stress is self inflicted, true. But you don't need to lock the thread. Someone may see some merit to this and ask a question that I will find sometime later. Or, be notified by the others when on the road.
3- No Frosty--this is not being done to antagonize anyone. We don't work that way and such things aren't in our agenda. Remember--our objective is to be human. To do what you said would be inhuman. Alpha smurf would be on me like a hound. I am representative of a group not just myself.
4- My assignment basically is to post the interpretation, hang around to answer questions if any, when the questions cease---move on to next assignment. This is why I began to ask for questions.
5- You all want proof---Ok, but there isn't any. There are no academics type except us that know about this. So you can't go to them and they would reject it just as you-we know that. The only thing you can do is wait for this to spread (which we find is) and see what people say--or think. Over time it will work for you as it did us. Your brain works on things automatically- storing that, putting that there, collating and coalescing and filing on it's own. Occasionally something will occur to you all on it's own. You don't even have to think about it. At some point things will begin to come together. It will eventually become something accepted or rejected depending upon one,s personal makeup. :)
[ahem] Let me see if I've got this straight? You and your other pals make some huge Discovery about the True meaning of the bible and your first stop is Here? Really? You've this incredible explanation for the actual Meaning/symbolism/purpose of Why of How the bible was written and You Alone hold the secret to that famous book..... and what did you do? You thought you'd pop by a random Atheist Forum and share your discovery?
Really? Really? That's your plan?
Not CNN, Not Huffington Post, Not even The New Yorker or Fox News --- You. Came.
Here. with your amazing revelation; your wondrous discovery ???
(anyone else find that ............. odd?)
:rollin:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"[ahem] Let me see if I've got this straight? You and your other pals make some huge Discovery about the True meaning of the bible and your first stop is Here? Really?
Really? Really? That's your plan?
Not CNN, Not Huffington Post, Not even The New Yorker or Fox News --- You. Came. Here. with your amazing revelation; your wondrous discovery ??
:rollin:
As they would tell you at the New Yorker, "Thank you for your submission, but we are not interested in your findings at this time. You might consider submitting your material to a more appropriate publisher such as Astrology Weekly."
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"[ahem] Let me see if I've got this straight? You and your other pals make some huge Discovery about the True meaning of the bible and your first stop is Here? Really?
Really? Really? That's your plan?
Not CNN, Not Huffington Post, Not even The New Yorker or Fox News --- You. Came. Here. with your amazing revelation; your wondrous discovery ??
:rollin:
As they would tell you at the New Yorker, "Thank you for your submission, but we are not interested in your findings at this time. You might consider submitting your material to a more appropriate publisher such as Astrology Weekly."
Absolutely. lol
Yanno - had the old site not blown up I'd just go find all the old posts to StupidDave and copy/paste them all here.
There is NOTHING new going on here - in This thread. Just another round of bullshit from a would-be preacher.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Just another round of bullshit from a would-be preacher.
It's not great preaching.
I give him 3/10 for effort though. Must try harder.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Just another round of bullshit from a would-be preacher.
It's not great preaching.
I give him 3/10 for effort though. Must try harder.
Yes - it's not that "come to jesus" bible-banging-southern-baptist sort of preaching; that's for sure. But it is that "I've a message that I need to tell you no matter HOW many times you say buzz-off" sort of evangelism. Otherwise he'd have caught the not-so-subtle hint by page 2.
:-k I think the psychiatrist in his group are the ones in the lunatic asylum he and his friends are in. The ward of obsessive compulsive, schizophrenics with delusions of grandeur that want to save the world with their superior intelligence. #-o :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Just another round of bullshit from a would-be preacher.
It's not great preaching.
I give him 3/10 for effort though. Must try harder.
3/10; I like that. Instead of debating or even trying to understand these guys. We should have access to smilies that that go from 1 to 10. We just leave posts with similies that rate his preaching. Of course, one of us assholes is sure to get pranky and just post :wtf:
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Just another round of bullshit from a would-be preacher.
It's not great preaching.
I give him 3/10 for effort though. Must try harder.
3/10; I like that. Instead of debating or even trying to understand these guys. We should have access to smilies that that go from 1 to 10. We just leave posts with similies that rate his preaching. Of course, one of us assholes is sure to get pranky and just post :wtf:
Yeah ::sigh::: I used that one already. LOL Two days ago when I thought I could *reach* him with compassion mixed with logic.
Funny - how that didn't work though. :rollin:
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Gooood morning everyone (Not every "body"))
I won't engage in any more verbal shoot outs, unless there is a pertinent question within it, as I have been doing anyway, and attempt to answer that question only. I will respond only to questions pertaining to the use and process of the interpretation. I have other people to see, places to go, and things to do. (I do have Grand children you know)
Now-are there any questions. I will check back later. :)
:wtf:
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:Hangman:
Quote from: "aitm":Hangman:
Notice how it stopped responding to itself as 'we' and now says 'I'?
He fell out of character! No Oscar for them!
The other smurfs dissapeared no less than 30 years back yanno.
I say props for holding 'true' for that long.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "aitm":Hangman:
Notice how it stopped responding to itself as 'we' and now says 'I'?
He fell out of character! No Oscar for them!
Good point! Maybe his personality got integrated with the other personality Smurfs and is cured now. :shock: :-k We can hope! Solitary
yeah, I say lets not waste time asking HIM any questions and just talk among ourselves. That way he will either go away or make up somebody to join the forum and start asking himself questions. There is a technical name for it but I am at a loss right now for remembering it.
:popcorn:
Oh for cryin' out loud!!!!!! Take it to a "psycho dude." What are you a thirteen year old? Do you mean a psychologist or maybe a psychoanalyst? Geesh what a complete dumbass. How conveinent that there is NO independent varification, and how utterly irresponsible. I don't think what you are asserting is dangerous at all. It can't be anymore dangerous than anyone of us being honest and public about being atheist which nearly all of us on this forum are. You are acting like an immature child that just ran out of excuses and are now grasping at straws to explain yourself. You couldn't be anymore of a fraud than you are right now. I say there is no group, no real findings, no credentials at all, and you are an utter fraud, a baldfaced liar.
How did I know I'd check this thread and it would be dead in the water? Count me - not surprised. :rollin: :rollin:
What is it with trolls and their "I will only answer questions based on my Own Very special quest" ??? WTF?
Can you imagine? Going to a completely new site to *share* your wisdom/findings? Then getting actually pissy when people don't want what you're selling? Can you imagine doing something like that? What? The??
Quote from: "oldseer"2- Their stress is self inflicted, true. But you don't need to lock the threaad. Someone may see some merit to this and ask a question that I will find sometime later. Or, be notified by the others when on the
shit.I hate to break it to you oldseer but your about the only user on this site dumb enough to buy into this ridiculous Bullshit. You have been suckered and brainwashed into preaching this nonesense. Let me guess, the smurfs haves a membership fee or tithe of which your current on? Did the Pappa smurf select you to spread the news to us here atat AF? They told you they'd be watching to insure you were doing this correctly? Guess what, they're watching and laughing just like we are!
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "aitm":Hangman:
Notice how it stopped responding to itself as 'we' and now says 'I'?
He fell out of character! No Oscar for them!
Oh god, what if breaking the fourth wall was part of the script?
No... no no nooooo!!!!
I dont know, I just felt like posting something here because this seems like a pretty important thread and I wanted to be a part of it.
I still want to know what this great insight is that he thinks he has revealed.
Quote from: "Jason78"I still want to know what this great insight is that he thinks he has revealed.
That god exists, but he is a god that transcends the Christian and the atheist's interpretation (Which just so happens to be what most Christians, Jews and Muslims say... that their god, "Is beyound human comprehension!"). Which if it's so hard to comprehend, it's interesting someone as brain boiled as Seer somehow concluded it's nature while no one else has.
More of the same-old, same-old, he/she/it/they are just so deluded that they think their product is somehow different.
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "aitm":Hangman:
Notice how it stopped responding to itself as 'we' and now says 'I'?
He fell out of character! No Oscar for them!
Oh god, what if breaking the fourth wall was part of the script?
No... no no nooooo!!!!
I dont know, I just felt like posting something here because this seems like a pretty important thread and I wanted to be a part of it.
You're part of history now shiranu
Quote from: "Shiranu"Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "aitm":Hangman:
Notice how it stopped responding to itself as 'we' and now says 'I'?
He fell out of character! No Oscar for them!
Oh god, what if breaking the fourth wall was part of the script?
No... no no nooooo!!!!
I dont know, I just felt like posting something here because this seems like a pretty important thread and I wanted to be a part of it.
:rollin: :rollin: classic :rollin: :rollin:
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maybe it comes in blue?
:-D
I never thought a car could look adorable but that one sure is. What is it? Solitary
Okay, from what I can assertain form Old Seer's posts, He and a group of his buddies(who knows if they really exist) have decided that they and only they have found the true meaning of the bible. Not withstanding the fact that he/they have ignored every single fact concerning the bible, like who wrote it, how many wrote it, when, and why, what the bible REALLY came from, and the fact that the original(if there ever was one single original and not a conglomeration of many other text) has been altered beyond recognition. Still he/they have decided that the bible was written to be read as if there is a god and he wants everyone to understand that they have to leave their animal instinct behind and start blindly following faith. That faith being that everything HUMAN is a god, anything with any authority is a god to include computers that dictate behavior. And they/he offer as evidence the fact that WE meaning us, we logical "animals" refute his/their interpretation. Thus supposedly proving that his/their theory is correct.
We "animals" are to take for granted what they say is true. If we don't agree and demand REAL proof, we are suppose to present his/their theory to a "psych-dude" and eventually that person will get it and they will inturn tell us that we are crazy for not buying into this theory. We are suppose to just believe without one shred of evidence that he/they are REAL scientist, professionals, etc even though they haven't presented their theory to any REAL scientific or theological body of and record or credibility. No they/he decided the best place to reveal this stellar finding to a random atheist forum and the people therein.
Now it is crucial that we "animals" know that it is dangerous for he/them to actually reveal who they are AND that he/they have limited time to make this revelation known to us, because schedule doesn't permit long periods. He/they are apparently on the move. Where? Hell noone knows, not even he/they.
And the really painful thing is this organization, that holds all wisdom, that exudes credentials(not revealed) beyond any body ever put together have decided in their/his emense wisdom to call themselves "SMURFS."
It is an accident that he/they were condescending and insulting and it is only because we are thinking with our animal minds that we were insulted, and that we demand proof, evidence that supports his/their theory. If only we could understand that the bible was written as a book of creation and not one of material (whatever the hell that actually means), then we could realise the human side of ourselves.
I think thats it in a nutshell and speaking of nuts, Old Seer is not only nuts because of his hairbrained theory, but for the amny personalities in his head, and for the crazy sceme of bringing goofy garbage to this forum and expecting anything but sketisism.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Okay, from what I can assertain form Old Seer's posts, He and a group of his buddies(who knows if they really exist) have decided that they and only they have found the true meaning of the bible. Not withstanding the fact that he/they have ignored every single fact concerning the bible, like who wrote it, how many wrote it, when, and why, what the bible REALLY came from, and the fact that the original(if there ever was one single original and not a conglomeration of many other text) has been altered beyond recognition. Still he/they have decided that the bible was written to be read as if there is a god and he wants everyone to understand that they have to leave their animal instinct behind and start blindly following faith. That faith being that everything HUMAN is a god, anything with any authority is a god to include computers that dictate behavior. And they/he offer as evidence the fact that WE meaning us, we logical "animals" refute his/their interpretation. Thus supposedly proving that his/their theory is correct.
We "animals" are to take for granted what they say is true. If we don't agree and demand REAL proof, we are suppose to present his/their theory to a "psych-dude" and eventually that person will get it and they will inturn tell us that we are crazy for not buying into this theory. We are suppose to just believe without one shred of evidence that he/they are REAL scientist, professionals, etc even though they haven't presented their theory to any REAL scientific or theological body of and record or credibility. No they/he decided the best place to reveal this stellar finding to a random atheist forum and the people therein.
Now it is crucial that we "animals" know that it is dangerous for he/them to actually reveal who they are AND that he/they have limited time to make this revelation known to us, because schedule doesn't permit long periods. He/they are apparently on the move. Where? Hell noone knows, not even he/they.
And the really painful thing is this organization, that holds all wisdom, that exudes credentials(not revealed) beyond any body ever put together have decided in their/his emense wisdom to call themselves "SMURFS."
It is an accident that he/they were condescending and insulting and it is only because we are thinking with our animal minds that we were insulted, and that we demand proof, evidence that supports his/their theory. If only we could understand that the bible was written as a book of creation and not one of material (whatever the hell that actually means), then we could realise the human side of ourselves.
I think thats it in a nutshell and speaking of nuts, Old Seer is not only nuts because of his hairbrained theory, but for the amny personalities in his head, and for the crazy sceme of bringing goofy garbage to this forum and expecting anything but sketisism.
derr de durrr :rolleyes:
:-D Sabrina, What you need is some of this:
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"What's that wonderful smell?" someone will ask you about your new perfume, Smurfette Blue Magic. "It's Smurf perfume," you'll mumble, wishing a hole would open up beneath you. "Excuse me?" they'll press. "It's my SMURF PERFUME, inspired by 'Smurfs 2' — you know, the children's movie with the posters with the pale-looking Smurfs on them?" It will get very quiet. In the silence, the blossoming aroma of oriental mandarin, pink pepper, patchouli and hyacinths will become almost unbearably sweet. "Is it a ... children's perfume?" the bewildered person will ask. "They do make a children's Smurf perfume, called Blue Style, but this scent is for grown-ups," you'll reply. A pause. "Oh. Well, where did you get it?" As you flee the room, you will cry out, "Toys 'R' Us!"
:rollin: :rollin: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary":-D Sabrina, What you need is some of this:
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"What's that wonderful smell?" someone will ask you about your new perfume, Smurfette Blue Magic. "It's Smurf perfume," you'll mumble, wishing a hole would open up beneath you. "Excuse me?" they'll press. "It's my SMURF PERFUME, inspired by 'Smurfs 2' — you know, the children's movie with the posters with the pale-looking Smurfs on them?" It will get very quiet. In the silence, the blossoming aroma of oriental mandarin, pink pepper, patchouli and hyacinths will become almost unbearably sweet. "Is it a ... children's perfume?" the bewildered person will ask. "They do make a children's Smurf perfume, called Blue Style, but this scent is for grown-ups," you'll reply. A pause. "Oh. Well, where did you get it?" As you flee the room, you will cry out, "Toys 'R' Us!"
:rollin: :rollin: Solitary
OMG :rollin: :rollin:
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Quote from: "SGOS"We should have access to smilies that that go from 1 to 10. We just leave posts with similies that rate his preaching.
Could we start the smilies with .001 and increment from there?
I've really been at work the past 72 hours and only able to peek for a moment in here........ did our official smurf run off then? Maybe polishing the story-telling techniques?
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've really been at work the past 72 hours and only able to peek for a moment in here........ did our official smurf run off then? Maybe polishing the story-telling techniques?
Greets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
I can only speak for myself. I never thought you did. I just don't agree with you. :-| Solitary
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've really been at work the past 72 hours and only able to peek for a moment in here........ did our official smurf run off then? Maybe polishing the story-telling techniques?
Greets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
Hopefully you get to read this particular post from me because I, for one, would like to clarify a few things (for you). Unless I am mistaken you've been asked by several members to verify yourself (and/or smurf group) as credible. IE who are you (established credibility please) that we should take seriously as a source on bible authority? Also, when we (members here) have tackled some of the assertions made by you (and Co) you've dodged the fact that we've pointed out that they Are- in fact- assertions and not real information we can use or at the very least examine.
So...... in earnest and with respect (I'll stop making a punch line from your posts IF you can please be serious) ---
Do you have
anything other than assertions?
thanks
Quote from: "Old Seer"I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective
We're not smurfs.
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Plu"Hateful? I don't think anyone here feels anything other than amusement and perhaps pity towards you. And since you've claimed that "Animal" is "Inhumane", I obviously cannot blindly assume that if I look in the dictionary for "Humane" I get the definition you're using. So you'll have to define a bunch more stuff before we can get anywhere sensical.
OK--go to the dictionary and look it up. Take a look at animalism also. You'll find there are separate definitions of both human and animal. We use the one that defines animal as --brutuish, abrasive, low character, disrespectful of others etc. You'll find dictionaries have more or less definitions, so look in a few not just one. You'll find there is a physical one--and a mental one. Now we're getting somewhere here. :)
You're slowly starting to make a bit of sense. If you can survive until I get back from my trip I'll give you a serious response, but I haven't the time now.
You actually survived. Looking over the word "animalism", I can find no reference to what you're talking about.
But, I'll take your word and definition for it. So we'll say that "animal" means "-brutuish, abrasive, low character, disrespectful of others etc." That's just a bunch of bad character traits.
This pretty much literally converts your entire argument into "be good, not bad". Which is so easy to understand that the ability to read isn't even required for it, let alone the need to read some dusty old tome. Making the bible completely superfluous to your point, basically.
You could drop the references to scripture, drop all the poetic language, all the poorly defined and unexplained words and say "we're a bunch of people who would like to see other people do good in the world" and everyone here would say "yeah, so are we. welcome to the club".
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've really been at work the past 72 hours and only able to peek for a moment in here........ did our official smurf run off then? Maybe polishing the story-telling techniques?
Greets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
It just never stops with you. The bullshit that you spew is endless. For the record I am a retired USMC veteran, or as we like to say, an inactive Marine. I don't believe in the slightest that you are a writer. Name dropping gunny sgt Emery is about a childesh trick as there is in the book. Oh and BTW Emery isn't well respected in the USMC world because of his crass commercialism of the profession. He is a sellout. You may have well as name dropped Oliver North the disgraced Marine that committed treason to protect Reagan's sorry ass.
AAAAAAND just saying that you have written a few screen plays doesn't prove a damned thing. Do you even know what credentials are?!!!!
You keep moving to even more bizarre post, that STILL don't prove anything and ellude to your extreme faulty mental condition.
Don't worry about typos. Noone here will condem you for a few punctuation or spelling mistakes.
For someone that is self proclaimed to not only being an expert, but to have come upon a "new" discovery/revelation, you haven't provided anything that would confirm anything that you have claimed. Noone and I mean noone is going to buy your little travel story scenario. Hell I live less than 2 miles from I-35 IN TEXAS! I know that there are ample places to get on the net. Almost every stop on the high traffic highway. Homeless people can get on the net on I-35!
Again, you're a sad little wannabe, that has made up a bunch of ridiculous stuff to impress anyone that will bother to read your crap. Well heres a clue pal, you haven't impressed anyone, least of all me. And by the way, as a 22 year veteran of the USMC, I certainly don't appreciate YOU using the USMC to try and give yourself some weird fashion of credibility.
Name dropping, using the reputation USMC, evassion of questions, switching topics, making up lame excuses, referring to a ficticious group of experts, not being specific, not providing a shred of evidence to back up anything that you've stated, making wild claims about yourself, being condescending,.....you have really created a real humdinger of a reputation here.
I think you have wild fantacies and when you make these fantacies public you have to resort to a web of lies to conceal what is REALLY the truth. I have challenged you over and over again to provide any proof what so ever, to make public your socalled organization so we can investigate it's credibility, and you have done nothing but run from that challenge.
So heres another challenge.
What is an MOS?
What is the MOS 0317?
What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year?
Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon?
How many holes in a John Wayne cracker?
In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge?
What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper?
What is a "John Wayne"?
Who was the first USMC pilot?
What is 8th & I?
What is a fireteam?
What is the job of every Marine?
What are the standard orders?
I know everyone of those answers by memory and many many more. If you ARE a writer, then your research would have given you the answers. These are EASY questions, softball tosses. You should have no problem with answering all of them as soon as you "speed read" them. I expect an answer within ten minutes.
It's 505 PM CST. I expect an answer by 515 PM CST! Anything later is a copout and proves you to be a fraud!
Ah oh! Times up Old Seer or should I say FRAUD SMURF! You blew it you lying piece of crap!
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've really been at work the past 72 hours and only able to peek for a moment in here........ did our official smurf run off then? Maybe polishing the story-telling techniques?
Greets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
It just never stops with you. The bullshit that you spew is endless. For the record I am a retired USMC veteran, or as we like to say, an inactive Marine. I don't believe in the slightest that you are a writer. Name dropping gunny sgt Emery is about a childesh trick as there is in the book. Oh and BTW Emery isn't well respected in the USMC world because of his crass commercialism of the profession. He is a sellout. You may have well as name dropped Oliver North the disgraced Marine that committed treason to protect Reagan's sorry ass.
AAAAAAND just saying that you have written a few screen plays doesn't prove a damned thing. Do you even know what credentials are?!!!!
You keep moving to even more bizarre post, that STILL don't prove anything and ellude to your extreme faulty mental condition.
Don't worry about typos. Noone here will condem you for a few punctuation or spelling mistakes.
For someone that is self proclaimed to not only being an expert, but to have come upon a "new" discovery/revelation, you haven't provided anything that would confirm anything that you have claimed. Noone and I mean noone is going to buy your little travel story scenario. Hell I live less than 2 miles from I-35 IN TEXAS! I know that there are ample places to get on the net. Almost every stop on the high traffic highway. Homeless people can get on the net on I-35!
Again, you're a sad little wannabe, that has made up a bunch of ridiculous stuff to impress anyone that will bother to read your crap. Well heres a clue pal, you haven't impressed anyone, least of all me. And by the way, as a 22 year veteran of the USMC, I certainly don't appreciate YOU using the USMC to try and give yourself some weird fashion of credibility.
Name dropping, using the reputation USMC, evassion of questions, switching topics, making up lame excuses, referring to a ficticious group of experts, not being specific, not providing a shred of evidence to back up anything that you've stated, making wild claims about yourself, being condescending,.....you have really created a real humdinger of a reputation here.
I think you have wild fantacies and when you make these fantacies public you have to resort to a web of lies to conceal what is REALLY the truth. I have challenged you over and over again to provide any proof what so ever, to make public your socalled organization so we can investigate it's credibility, and you have done nothing but run from that challenge.
So heres another challenge.
What is an MOS?
What is the MOS 0317?
What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year?
Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon?
How many holes in a John Wayne cracker?
In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge?
What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper?
What is a "John Wayne"?
Who was the first USMC pilot?
What is 8th & I?
What is a fireteam?
What is the job of every Marine?
What are the standard orders?
I know everyone of those answers by memory and many many more. If you ARE a writer, then your research would have given you the answers. These are EASY questions, softball tosses. You should have no problem with answering all of them as soon as you "speed read" them. I expect an answer within ten minutes.
It's 505 PM CST. I expect an answer by 515 PM CST! Anything later is a copout and proves you to be a fraud!
I can't just sit around here all day waiting for responses to my posts. I've have things to do.
1- Military Occupational Specialty. Mine is 0781 Hawk Missleman, Senior Launcher crewman.
My MCRD was SD
My outfits were 1st MAAM Battalion-- at The Stumps, Terrier
Support Comany B Pendleton
1st LAAM Battalian Hawk Missiles (back to the Stumps)I am one of the USMCs original Hawk Missilemen.
I don't know what a 0317 is I'd have to look it up. I am also a trained 0311 combat infantryman (that's was why I was at Pendleton, where I also helped train Snipers. An 0317 would be in the infantry MOS category.
The Oldest Branch of then US Military is the United States Marine Corps. Brought into service on 10 Nov 1775. In the Corps it the Marine Corps birthday, celebrated by every Marine every year including me..
I know of O'bannon But don't know his specifics--Chesty-- we're surrounded, we got'em right where we want'em.
I don't know anything about John Wayne's cracker. What da deuce is it?
A scout sniper team is normally made up of a spotter and a sniper. The Sniper is in charge. (at least so in my time in the Corps).
The Primary Weapon of a Scout Sniper is the M-24. I don't know it's specifics. At Pendelton in 59 it was the M-1 Garand fitted with a flipover 8X scope. I still have today - US Rifle Cal. 30 M-1. I also have a 8mm Mauser with a 24X, and can put 8 out of 10 in a 20" bull at 1200 yds. putting the cross at 6:00 on the bull.
Don't know who the first USMC pilot was--I know he was a winger, right.
The main job of every marine is -the rifleman-up to and including the Commandant.
In the Army the commanding general isn't called a soldier.
In the navy the commanding Admiral is called a sailor.
In the Air Force the Commanding general isn't called an a Airman.
The commandant of the Marine Corps is God damn proud to be called a Marine.
Don't recall all the standard orders. But they are referred to in the Corps as the 11 general orders which pertain to guard duty.
8th and I is the Marine barracks in DC, on the corner of 8th and I streets. I have a young Bro there now.
A fire team is- a 4 man team which is 1/3 of a squad, lead by the team leader, having assistant rifleman, an automatic rifleman (the M-249 Squad automatic rifle) and a rifleman which is also the assistant automatic rifleman. In my day it was the BAR which I carried in ITR at pendleton. Today, ITR is named the school of infantry. ITR is-infantry training regiment.
No Marine forgets his Drill Instructors----(who's God in boot camp)
My Sr DI SSgt. Morgan, Assts---Macado and Dixon.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
I can't post to some because the forum allows only 3 quotes in a post. I don't know what to do about that., :)
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "Old Seer"I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective
We're not smurfs.
I know. But, I've been going about this not taking that into account. To us this isn't very complicated at all, at one time it was. Once one knows something it seems more simple then when first encountered. That's why I say--this will take time to understand. At a certai8n point it becomes self teaching. :)
Lets see how you did Old Seer(fraud)
1)What is an MOS? You got this correct
2)What is the MOS 0317? Scout/Sniper
3)What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year? You got this correct but you spent too much time looking it up!
4)Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon? The Marine officer that fought valiently at Tripoli....very famous, every Marine knows it!
5)How many holes in a John Wayne cracker? 52, every Marine knows that
6)In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge? The spotter is in charge!
7)What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper? M24!
8)What is a "John Wayne"? It's a can opener.
9)Who was the first USMC pilot? A.J. Cunningham famous for inventing close bombing during the Banana Wars!
10)What is 8th & I? Home of the USMC Silent Drill Team! Located at the streets 8th and I in Washington D.C.!
11)What is a fireteam? It's a four man fighting unit part of a platoon squad.
12)What is the job of every Marine? 0311 basic infantryman or rifleman.
13)What are the standard orders?
1. Take charge of this post and all government property in view
2. Walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. Report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls [from posts]more distant from the guardhouse than my own.
5. Quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.
7. Talk to no one except in the line of duty.
8. Give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the Corporal of the Guard in any case not covered by instructions.
10. Salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. Be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority
They are the orders that every Marine memorizes in Boot Camp. They are the oders of the Sentry!
You missed quite a few Old Seer. Every REAL Marine not only knows the answers but has them memorized. Most of them are drummed in your head in boot camp to the point that you would never forget them.
You are a fraud Old Seer and nothing less than a Fraud!
I am so sick of this fraud that started this thread. It pains me that he smears the good reputation and name of the USMC to try and acquire credibility. He answered my questions far too late meaning that he looked the answers up for answers that he should have answered off the top of his head. He missed a few because most people assume things like the shooter is in charge in a scout/sniper team, but the fact is the spotter is in charge. Not knowing things like who Presley O'Bannon and A.J. Cunningham were, not knowing what a John Wayne, what a John Wayne craker is is a simple test that every true Marine will get correct, but if you are getting your information from the internet and not from experience, there is NO WAY that you could get it correct. So he is most definately a fraud.
My test was easy if you are a Marine but impossible if you were never a Marine and just posing.
Take the issue that he says that he sent his scripts to GySgt Emery. Well hell Emery is on the History Channel 24/7.
1. Emery is NOT a produecer, not even a good actor. He is just a personality that happens to have been a USMC Drill Instructor, which is how he got his job in 'Full Metal Jacket'.
2. If you have a script and you actually want it looked at, you'd go through an agent.
This goofball Old Seer is such a liar, and now he is pissing me off for using the USMC in his lies!
BTW he took an hour an 20 minutes to answer the post. More than enough time to answer the questions that you CAN answer by going on the internet. He got the answers wrong to the questions that you CAN'T get from the internet. This proves to me atleast that he is a fraud.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Lets see how you did Old Seer(fraud)
1)What is an MOS? You got this correct
2)What is the MOS 0317? Scout/Sniper
3)What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year? You got this correct but you spent too much time looking it up!
4)Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon? The Marine officer that fought valiently at Tripoli....very famous, every Marine knows it!
5)How many holes in a John Wayne cracker? 52, every Marine knows that
6)In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge? The spotter is in charge!
7)What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper? M24!
8)What is a "John Wayne"? It's a can opener.
9)Who was the first USMC pilot? A.J. Cunningham famous for inventing close bombing during the Banana Wars!
10)What is 8th & I? Home of the USMC Silent Drill Team! Located at the streets 8th and I in Washington D.C.!
11)What is a fireteam? It's a four man fighting unit part of a platoon squad.
12)What is the job of every Marine? 0311 basic infantryman or rifleman.
13)What are the standard orders?
1. Take charge of this post and all government property in view
2. Walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. Report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls [from posts]more distant from the guardhouse than my own.
5. Quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.
7. Talk to no one except in the line of duty.
8. Give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the Corporal of the Guard in any case not covered by instructions.
10. Salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. Be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority
They are the orders that every Marine memorizes in Boot Camp. They are the oders of the Sentry!
You missed quite a few Old Seer. Every REAL Marine not only knows the answers but has them memorized. Most of them are drummed in your head in boot camp to the point that you would never forget them.
You are a fraud Old Seer and nothing less than a Fraud!
I'm in my 70's. Get real Marine. In my day 58-61 A snipers MOS was in the 4500s. Today some are in o200 depending upon what outfit they serve, or to what gov, agency they on duty with. There are Marine snipers that are with the NSA and--with a different MOS until they get back to their assigned outfits. My Bootcamp platoon number is 141, San Diego. That's a long time even before you may have been born. I was shootin down aircraft while you were still shittin civilian chow. I was in under Ike and Kennedy. I'm online to this day with other Marines on a daily basis since 97 when I got my first computer. I still have a pot helmet and Deuce gear. Don,t tell me "Boot". You remind me of PVT Thomas with 4 hash marks. The commandant of at my time at SD was Shoop. You couldn't have been a 10 percenter having been active to retirement, but I'm beginning to wonder. Your demeanor is unbecoming of a United States Marine, and, toward a Brother Marine. I have pics in my foot l;ocker aplenty of 29 Palms and Pendleton. On a 3 day pass I rode my 46 Harley from Oceanside to Astoria OR between Washington and Oregon, and on the coast highway 101. There was no freeway at that time. You want brave--try that at 70 to 80 MPH. You want brave- you want danger---in Oceanside A Bro and I encountered Hell's Angels at the light across the intersection. One gave us the finger. The Bro gave one back. One went for something inside his jacket---we both came up with .30 cal grease guns he borrowed from his 20MM antiaircraft tracked vehicle. 20 to 30 Hell's Angels couldn't get out of each others way fast enough to head the other way. Yeahhhhh you tell me Marine. You spew shit you get shit. Been there donit. Google Probo Pansoy. He's the father of Feranndo A Pansoy my best buddy at the Stumps. We ran together in LA and in the desert. He was an accomplished martial arts type and oriental swordsman from the Island of Cebu in the Philippines who taught me a great deal. I have pics of him still. We'd hung out at the Jewish Community Center USO on Olympic Blvd, LA. Get off this hog pucky and stand tall and act like a Marine instead of some out of control civilian. It's not making you look good. Eat crow Marine. (no smiley for you)
Quote from: "mykcob4"I am so sick of this fraud that started this thread. It pains me that he smears the good reputation and name of the USMC to try and acquire credibility. He answered my questions far too late meaning that he looked the answers up for answers that he should have answered off the top of his head. He missed a few because most people assume things like the shooter is in charge in a scout/sniper team, but the fact is the spotter is in charge. Not knowing things like who Presley O'Bannon and A.J. Cunningham were, not knowing what a John Wayne, what a John Wayne craker is is a simple test that every true Marine will get correct, but if you are getting your information from the internet and not from experience, there is NO WAY that you could get it correct. So he is most definately a fraud.
My test was easy if you are a Marine but impossible if you were never a Marine and just posing.
Take the issue that he says that he sent his scripts to GySgt Emery. Well hell Emery is on the History Channel 24/7.
1. Emery is NOT a produecer, not even a good actor. He is just a personality that happens to have been a USMC Drill Instructor, which is how he got his job in 'Full Metal Jacket'.
2. If you have a script and you actually want it looked at, you'd go through an agent.
This goofball Old Seer is such a liar, and now he is pissing me off for using the USMC in his lies!
BTW he took an hour an 20 minutes to answer the post. More than enough time to answer the questions that you CAN answer by going on the internet. He got the answers wrong to the questions that you CAN'T get from the internet. This proves to me atleast that he is a fraud.
I did present it to Screen agents. They said it very good. It won't make a movie because it's going to cost to much. About 3 million to make. It's not epic enough for that monetary layout. It's Time Zero. look it up on the copyright site. One agent tried for a year.
It's 180 pages, and will post it here if admin permits. I have to dig out discs and find latest versions. I haven't dealt with Time Zero since about 2005. If admin permits you got shit in your messgear Marine. It's been years since I've dealt with Marine exactitudes. I don't give a damn if Ermey is a producer or not, or if you think he's a horseshit actor--others do or don't . He and his staff reviewed it and called it Outstanding. Copy right is 2000 if you care to hang yourself. Eat shit and die you pouge.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Lets see how you did Old Seer(fraud)
1)What is an MOS? You got this correct
2)What is the MOS 0317? Scout/Sniper
3)What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year? You got this correct but you spent too much time looking it up!
4)Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon? The Marine officer that fought valiently at Tripoli....very famous, every Marine knows it!
5)How many holes in a John Wayne cracker? 52, every Marine knows that
6)In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge? The spotter is in charge!
7)What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper? M24!
8)What is a "John Wayne"? It's a can opener.
9)Who was the first USMC pilot? A.J. Cunningham famous for inventing close bombing during the Banana Wars!
10)What is 8th & I? Home of the USMC Silent Drill Team! Located at the streets 8th and I in Washington D.C.!
11)What is a fireteam? It's a four man fighting unit part of a platoon squad.
12)What is the job of every Marine? 0311 basic infantryman or rifleman.
13)What are the standard orders?
1. Take charge of this post and all government property in view
2. Walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. Report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls [from posts]more distant from the guardhouse than my own.
5. Quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.
7. Talk to no one except in the line of duty.
8. Give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the Corporal of the Guard in any case not covered by instructions.
10. Salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. Be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority
They are the orders that every Marine memorizes in Boot Camp. They are the oders of the Sentry!
You missed quite a few Old Seer. Every REAL Marine not only knows the answers but has them memorized. Most of them are drummed in your head in boot camp to the point that you would never forget them.
You are a fraud Old Seer and nothing less than a Fraud!
I'm in my 70's. Get real Marine. In my day 58-61 A snipers MOS was in the 4500s. Today some are in o200 depending upon what outfit they serve, or to what gov, agency they on duty with. There are Marine snipers that are with the NSA and--with a different MOS until they get back to their assigned outfits. My Bootcamp platoon number is 141, San Diego. That's a long time even before you may have been born. I was shootin down aircraft while you were still shittin civilian chow. I was in under Ike and Kennedy. I'm online to this day with other Marines on a daily basis since 97 when I got my first computer. I still have a pot helmet and Deuce gear. Don,t tell me "Boot". You remind me of PVT Thomas with 4 hash marks. The commandant of at my time at SD was Shoop. You couldn't have been a 10 percenter having been active to retirement, but I'm beginning to wonder. Your demeanor is unbecoming of a United States Marine, and, toward a Brother Marine. I have pics in my foot l;ocker aplenty of 29 Palms and Pendleton. On a 3 day pass I rode my 46 Harley from Oceanside to Astoria OR between Washington and Oregon, and on the coast highway 101. There was no freeway at that time. You want brave--try that at 70 to 80 MPH. You want brave- you want danger---in Oceanside A Bro and I encountered Hell's Angels at the light across the intersection. One gave us the finger. The Bro gave one back. One went for something inside his jacket---we both came up with .30 cal grease guns he borrowed from his 20MM antiaircraft tracked vehicle. 20 to 30 Hell's Angels couldn't get out of each others way fast enough to head the other way. Yeahhhhh you tell me Marine. You spew shit you get shit. Been there donit. Google Probo Pansoy. He's the father of Feranndo A Pansoy my best buddy at the Stumps. We ran together in LA and in the desert. He was an accomplished martial arts type and oriental swordsman from the Island of Cebu in the Philippines who taught me a great deal. I have pics of him still. We'd hung out at the Jewish Community Center USO on Olympic Blvd, LA. Get off this hog pucky and stand tall and act like a Marine instead of some out of control civilian. It's not making you look good. Eat crow Marine. (no smiley for you)
Oh hell no you don't goofball. Your the one acting unbecoming. I'm not putting up with your lying bullshit any longer. Now you have a bullshit story about scaring a bunch of Hells Angels? You supposedly had a grease gun? They got rid of grease guns right after WWII dumbass you can't be that old. Anyway the Hells angels didn't exist until the late 50's so trying to blend a story about grease guns and the Hells Angels is so absurd only YOU would come up with such bullshit. I'm 55 and I served 22+ years of honorable service. I'm not a poser like YOU asshole. And talk about out of control, YOU are one to talk. Making up a bunch of nonsense, condescending to everyone that wants you to stop lying and offer one single shred of credible evidence. Again evry Marine especially the OLD ones would know what a John Wayne is and what a John Wayne cracker is! Simple question that only a Marine would actually know because the only way to know it was to be a Marine and not some internet Marine poser like you. The rest of the questions were place there knowing that you could get the answers easy enough of the net, but I purposely added the John Wayne questions to ferret you out. So you are not only disgracing the USMC by posing as one us but you are lying about everything else.
I'm done with you and if I ever meet up with you, I will give you what you deserve and no court in this great nation will convict for doing so.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Lets see how you did Old Seer(fraud)
1)What is an MOS? You got this correct
2)What is the MOS 0317? Scout/Sniper
3)What is the oldest branch of the US military and when was it born month/day/ and year? You got this correct but you spent too much time looking it up!
4)Who is Lt.Presley O'Bannon? The Marine officer that fought valiently at Tripoli....very famous, every Marine knows it!
5)How many holes in a John Wayne cracker? 52, every Marine knows that
6)In a scout/sniper team, who is in charge? The spotter is in charge!
7)What is the primary weapon designation of a scout/sniper? M24!
8)What is a "John Wayne"? It's a can opener.
9)Who was the first USMC pilot? A.J. Cunningham famous for inventing close bombing during the Banana Wars!
10)What is 8th & I? Home of the USMC Silent Drill Team! Located at the streets 8th and I in Washington D.C.!
11)What is a fireteam? It's a four man fighting unit part of a platoon squad.
12)What is the job of every Marine? 0311 basic infantryman or rifleman.
13)What are the standard orders?
1. Take charge of this post and all government property in view
2. Walk my post in a military manner, keeping always on the alert and observing everything that takes place within sight or hearing.
3. Report all violations of orders I am instructed to enforce.
4. To repeat all calls [from posts]more distant from the guardhouse than my own.
5. Quit my post only when properly relieved.
6. To receive, obey, and pass on to the sentry who relieves me, all orders from the Commanding Officer, Officer of the Day, Officers, and Non-Commissioned Officers of the guard only.
7. Talk to no one except in the line of duty.
8. Give the alarm in case of fire or disorder.
9. To call the Corporal of the Guard in any case not covered by instructions.
10. Salute all officers and all colors and standards not cased.
11. Be especially watchful at night and during the time for challenging, to challenge all persons on or near my post, and to allow no one to pass without proper authority
They are the orders that every Marine memorizes in Boot Camp. They are the oders of the Sentry!
You missed quite a few Old Seer. Every REAL Marine not only knows the answers but has them memorized. Most of them are drummed in your head in boot camp to the point that you would never forget them.
You are a fraud Old Seer and nothing less than a Fraud!
I'm in my 70's. Get real Marine. In my day 58-61 A snipers MOS was in the 4500s. Today some are in o200 depending upon what outfit they serve, or to what gov, agency they on duty with. There are Marine snipers that are with the NSA and--with a different MOS until they get back to their assigned outfits. My Bootcamp platoon number is 141, San Diego. That's a long time even before you may have been born. I was shootin down aircraft while you were still shittin civilian chow. I was in under Ike and Kennedy. I'm online to this day with other Marines on a daily basis since 97 when I got my first computer. I still have a pot helmet and Deuce gear. Don,t tell me "Boot". You remind me of PVT Thomas with 4 hash marks. The commandant of at my time at SD was Shoop. You couldn't have been a 10 percenter having been active to retirement, but I'm beginning to wonder. Your demeanor is unbecoming of a United States Marine, and, toward a Brother Marine. I have pics in my foot l;ocker aplenty of 29 Palms and Pendleton. On a 3 day pass I rode my 46 Harley from Oceanside to Astoria OR between Washington and Oregon, and on the coast highway 101. There was no freeway at that time. You want brave--try that at 70 to 80 MPH. You want brave- you want danger---in Oceanside A Bro and I encountered Hell's Angels at the light across the intersection. One gave us the finger. The Bro gave one back. One went for something inside his jacket---we both came up with .30 cal grease guns he borrowed from his 20MM antiaircraft tracked vehicle. 20 to 30 Hell's Angels couldn't get out of each others way fast enough to head the other way. Yeahhhhh you tell me Marine. You spew shit you get shit. Been there donit. Google Probo Pansoy. He's the father of Feranndo A Pansoy my best buddy at the Stumps. We ran together in LA and in the desert. He was an accomplished martial arts type and oriental swordsman from the Island of Cebu in the Philippines who taught me a great deal. I have pics of him still. We'd hung out at the Jewish Community Center USO on Olympic Blvd, LA. Get off this hog pucky and stand tall and act like a Marine instead of some out of control civilian. It's not making you look good. Eat crow Marine. (no smiley for you)
Oh hell no you don't goofball. Your the one acting unbecoming. I'm not putting up with your lying bullshit any longer. Now you have a bullshit story about scaring a bunch of Hells Angels? You supposedly had a grease gun? They got rid of grease guns right after WWII dumbass you can't be that old. Anyway the Hells angels didn't exist until the late 50's so trying to blend a story about grease guns and the Hells Angels is so absurd only YOU would come up with such bullshit. I'm 55 and I served 22+ years of honorable service. I'm not a poser like YOU asshole. And talk about out of control, YOU are one to talk. Making up a bunch of nonsense, condescending to everyone that wants you to stop lying and offer one single shred of credible evidence. Again evry Marine especially the OLD ones would know what a John Wayne is and what a John Wayne cracker is! Simple question that only a Marine would actually know because the only way to know it was to be a Marine and not some internet Marine poser like you. The rest of the questions were place there knowing that you could get the answers easy enough of the net, but I purposely added the John Wayne questions to ferret you out. So you are not only disgracing the USMC by posing as one us but you are lying about everything else.
I'm done with you and if I ever meet up with you, I will give you what you deserve and no court in this great nation will convict for doing so.
John Wayne was [after] my time in the Corps. We didn't have any understanding of a John Wayne or the cracker. We called the c-rats can opener -the P-38. John Wayne wasn't a Marine Corps item biggy in my time.
And I will not respond to your posts any more. This has gone to far and enough is enough. If Admin will allow Time Zero on the site I'll post it. I'll check to see of the disc is compatible with my present machine. I was working on my air conditioning in the truck today. It's awful hot along the interstates, it is August you know--the hottest month of the year. I have been on I-35 in TX a number of times. You misread again. I know there's internet at the reststops, I said that. OK Enough.
Just hit the ignore button on Mr. Smurf, myk. Plenty of others have.
QuoteCopy right is 2000 if you care to hang yourself. Eat shit and die you pouge.
Uh oh, someone broke character again!
U mad bro?
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Just hit the ignore button on Mr. Smurf, myk. Plenty of others have.
Oh sure--it's my fault. I log on for questions and he slanders a Brother Marine and it's my fault. HE- is the one that's renders and originates these types of posts not me. I have posted nothing that is intended to harm anyone. Someone a bit back alluded to a "hive mind". Well---hive minds are somewhat necessary for any society or group to co-exist. What in tarnation is all this hatred for and about. Now someone will say it's not hatred and find some reason to turn it around and---it's my fault.
Any questions on our interpretation. It's the only way you'll get to understanding it. For me to post it all will take 2000 pages. :)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Just hit the ignore button on Mr. Smurf, myk. Plenty of others have.
Oh sure--it's my fault. I log on for questions and he slanders a Brother Marine and it's my fault. HE- is the one that's renders and originates these types of posts not me. I have posted nothing that is intended to harm anyone. Someone a bit back alluded to a "hive mind". Well---hive minds are somewhat necessary for any society or group to co-exist. What in tarnation is all this hatred for and about. Now someone will say it's not hatred and find some reason to turn it around and---it's my fault.
Any questions on our interpretation. It's the only way you'll get to understanding it. For me to post it all will take 2000 pages. :)
Face it, you were called out on your claims and you basically crumbled under the pressure. You fell out of character because it upset that you nobody thought you were important or smart. You can keep posting as much as you want, you are proving nothing to nobody and nobody really cares about you at all. Perceive this comment however you want, but I'm just alerting you that your attempts here at whatever you were trying to do was an absolute, abject failure.
Well this has gotten entertaining. What can be more fun than two Jar-Heads getting it on. Well maybe two Squids? :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "frosty"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Just hit the ignore button on Mr. Smurf, myk. Plenty of others have.
Oh sure--it's my fault. I log on for questions and he slanders a Brother Marine and it's my fault. HE- is the one that's renders and originates these types of posts not me. I have posted nothing that is intended to harm anyone. Someone a bit back alluded to a "hive mind". Well---hive minds are somewhat necessary for any society or group to co-exist. What in tarnation is all this hatred for and about. Now someone will say it's not hatred and find some reason to turn it around and---it's my fault.
Any questions on our interpretation. It's the only way you'll get to understanding it. For me to post it all will take 2000 pages. :)
Face it, you were called out on your claims and you basically crumbled under the pressure. You fell out of character because it upset that you nobody thought you were important or smart. You can keep posting as much as you want, you are proving nothing to nobody and nobody really cares about you at all. Perceive this comment however you want, but I'm just alerting you that your attempts here at whatever you were trying to do was an absolute, abject failure.
Do you have a question. No one came here to be a smarty. That's what you all think and it was contrived within your own minds. No one has yet pointed to where I referred to any one as a monkey or dumbiciles., or made out like I/we was smarter then anyone. What you're saying is, anyone that trys to converse or show anything is being smarter then you all. Hogwash. If your embarrassed by finding out you have an animal entity---well so do we have one, we're not embarrassed. It's 1/2 of everyones nature given through and by evolution. What's embarrassing about that. Find where I started this pissing session or any of them and I'll admit it. I've been sadly mistakened by all of you. If you can't understand what an animal mind is what in living hell do you think has been going on here on this thread. You all just found out I have one too. Why the hell do you think Marines win their battles--We're an animal on a leash. When the president lets go of the leash someone's got Devil Dogs coming their way. Someone attacks me I defend. I pointed out in a post--there's no wimps on this side. None of the Smurf are. We are trying to inform of what we say/think is the problem in the world. Hatred of the bible doesn't make it wrong--the wrong interpretation does. There's an introductory thread posted by "Morals", read the damn thing--he sees what we see, and so also many other Atheists have his same points of view. There's are many people who know what the worlds problems are and can't properly express it, or put their finger on it exactly, we can. Now--go find one of my Claims and show it to me.
Quote from: "frosty"QuoteCopy right is 2000 if you care to hang yourself. Eat shit and die you pouge.
Uh oh, someone broke character again!
U mad bro?
You fucking aye right I'm pissed. He's not going to respond to any of my posts now because he found out I'm a bonifide US Marine, L/Cpl ser# 1819671, we didn't use SS numbers in my day. He's wrong and is eating his shitty skivvies. He insisted and stepped in shit. So now--not to have to admit he's wrong he won't post. Yes- I broke character with the blessing of the Smurfs. They said to go get,em and don't save his face. He's wrong about everything else too. We only started putting this out to the public so how does he expect everyone or anyone else to know about it. The Brookings institute will get it like every other elitist high kaflooters. We're using the "grapevine" so the people will have it first so it cannot be removed by the same high kaflooters he wants us to give it to. In time everyone will have it. I ain't afraid of no god damn body--never have been. When I was 15 I was whipping 19 year olds behind the bank. Now it's time to move on and promote a bit of peace on this god forsaken planet (oops, pardon me) and we have our way/idea and merely want others to look at it. It's up to others (the people as far as we're concerned) to determine if it's right or not, not elitist high kaflooters. The "people" are the ultimate authority on this planet. Which character do you wish I be. :)
Hey look, someone just started posting with his "Animal side". So much for your whole story, right Old Seer? Looks like you haven't gotten all that far with "being Human" as you think you have.
I was just trying to make him see that what he is doing is extremely pointless. But, what I am doing is also pointless, trying to convince a delusional religionist he is wrong should be the definition of insanity.
I think I'm still waiting for the Smurfs to get around to their point.
It would be nice to have it in a form a human being could understand.
Quote from: "Old Seer"I've have things to do.
No you've haven't.
Good writing skills bro.
:popcorn:
Quote from: "Plu"Hey look, someone just started posting with his "Animal side". So much for your whole story, right Old Seer? Looks like you haven't gotten all that far with "being Human" as you think you have.
Everyone has a right to be animal just like the next guy. JC showed his animal side when he drove the money changers out of the temple. There are situations that demand it's use. One's self defense comes from that side. There is no self defense on the human side. A human/Christian isn't required to be stupid. If someone repeatedly compels you to defend---let'em have it. Have you learned something from our observations now, did you notice the difference. All are living in this very system that compels one to animal existence. Until it is removed not a thing will change. I didn't ever say that we were Christians, we're not. It cannot be maintained in the world as it is because the system in "force" interferes with it and demands use of the animal mind. The system gives one no choice. One can leave off on the animal mind from time to time but as long as it's what the system operates on and demands one won't remain there very long. That's why there are no true Christians in the world---and those that say they are don't realize what the worlds problems emanate from. When one retires it becomes quite a bit easier (we find) because one need'nt be so involved in most of it. That's why on the rear of my travel trailer I have the sign--I'm retired, I don't have to be a prick anymore. Many a Truckers has given me a honk and a thumb up when passing, I only drive 55. Hokay--that's the lesson for today--back to the trucks air conditioner. Take care. :)
So pretty much you went from saying "be good, not bad" to saying literally nothing at all. Ok then.
um........
(from 2 pages ago)
QuoteGreets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
QuoteHopefully you get to read this particular post from me because I, for one, would like to clarify a few things (for you). Unless I am mistaken you've been asked by several members to verify yourself (and/or smurf group) as credible. IE who are you (established credibility please) that we should take seriously as a source on bible authority? Also, when we (members here) have tackled some of the assertions made by you (and Co) you've dodged the fact that we've pointed out that they Are- in fact- assertions and not real information we can use or at the very least examine.
So...... in earnest and with respect (I'll stop making a punch line from your posts IF you can please be serious) ---
Do you have anything other than assertions?
thanks
Man what a goofball. He claims that he came before John Wayne and that's why he got the answers wrong on my little test. He says that he was in the USMC from 58-61. Hmmmmm.....little problem about that if he indeed was in the USMC from 58-61 he couldn't have been in "BEFORE" John Wayne. John Wayne made his most famous movies in the 40's. Thats nearly 2 decades before this fraudulant internet Marine claims that he was even in the USMC.
Man this just keeps getting better.
The only credentials that he post is information that you can GOOGLE. I give him a simple test that you have to EXPERIENCE as a Marine, and he completely blows it. Not only that he starts frothing at the mouth with anger. He starts making up more lies screwing up timelines to boot. Everything from supposedly scaring off Hells Angels with "grease guns", to saying he was in the USMC BEFORE John Wayne was famous.
And since the USMC has used the "John Wayne" can opener since the end of WWII and the same goes for the cracker which came in K-rations, this guys proves that not only is he a fruad but a complete and utter lunatic.
Now he has an excuse for his supposed screen plays. "Oh they are great, but they would cost too much to produce", and "They aren't "epic" enough to produce."
Oh sure. He sends them to GySgt Emery as if that would do any good, when there are many GREAT outlets for amaterurs to submit their creation.
Triggerstreet.com or the Greenlight project for starters.
At any rate he could send them to Dorrance publishing or to Authorhouse and at least get an honest review of his work.
This guy is a complete an utter fraud but now it has become fun just to watch him squirm and try and lie his way out of ever increasing situations that he gets himself into.
Branch of Service Date of Changeover
Army and Air Force July 1, 1969
Navy and Marine Corps January 1, 1972
Coast Guard October 1, 1974
I'm curious about why you and the other Smurfs think your interpretations are correct when the Bible is ambiguous and one can pick and choose to support any view they have. You say you have a right to defend yourself even though the Bible says: "Thou shall not kill." If you went willingly into a situation of invading another country when you could have objected on moral grounds, how do you justify doing it and claiming self defense. If it was because it was your animal side, then your whole argument is meaningless because it shows that a belief system does not prevent the animal side from coming out. Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gondi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make? Well you haven't succeeded yourself and yet expect others to do so. Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Man what a goofball. He claims that he came before John Wayne and that's why he got the answers wrong on my little test. He says that he was in the USMC from 58-61. Hmmmmm.....little problem about that if he indeed was in the USMC from 58-61 he couldn't have been in "BEFORE" John Wayne. John Wayne made his most famous movies in the 40's. Thats nearly 2 decades before this fraudulant internet Marine claims that he was even in the USMC.
Man this just keeps getting better.
The only credentials that he post is information that you can GOOGLE. I give him a simple test that you have to EXPERIENCE as a Marine, and he completely blows it. Not only that he starts frothing at the mouth with anger. He starts making up more lies screwing up timelines to boot. Everything from supposedly scaring off Hells Angels with "grease guns", to saying he was in the USMC BEFORE John Wayne was famous.
And since the USMC has used the "John Wayne" can opener since the end of WWII and the same goes for the cracker which came in K-rations, this guys proves that not only is he a fruad but a complete and utter lunatic.
Now he has an excuse for his supposed screen plays. "Oh they are great, but they would cost too much to produce", and "They aren't "epic" enough to produce."
Oh sure. He sends them to GySgt Emery as if that would do any good, when there are many GREAT outlets for amaterurs to submit their creation.
Triggerstreet.com or the Greenlight project for starters.
At any rate he could send them to Dorrance publishing or to Authorhouse and at least get an honest review of his work.
This guy is a complete an utter fraud but now it has become fun just to watch him squirm and try and lie his way out of ever increasing situations that he gets himself into.
Mykcob - we've already beaten the poor man for his assertion game. You don't have to drag him around - do you? Or were you trying to really make him [s:brkc2h1g]black[/s:brkc2h1g] and blue?
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "mykcob4"Man what a goofball. He claims that he came before John Wayne and that's why he got the answers wrong on my little test. He says that he was in the USMC from 58-61. Hmmmmm.....little problem about that if he indeed was in the USMC from 58-61 he couldn't have been in "BEFORE" John Wayne. John Wayne made his most famous movies in the 40's. Thats nearly 2 decades before this fraudulant internet Marine claims that he was even in the USMC.
Man this just keeps getting better.
The only credentials that he post is information that you can GOOGLE. I give him a simple test that you have to EXPERIENCE as a Marine, and he completely blows it. Not only that he starts frothing at the mouth with anger. He starts making up more lies screwing up timelines to boot. Everything from supposedly scaring off Hells Angels with "grease guns", to saying he was in the USMC BEFORE John Wayne was famous.
And since the USMC has used the "John Wayne" can opener since the end of WWII and the same goes for the cracker which came in K-rations, this guys proves that not only is he a fruad but a complete and utter lunatic.
Now he has an excuse for his supposed screen plays. "Oh they are great, but they would cost too much to produce", and "They aren't "epic" enough to produce."
Oh sure. He sends them to GySgt Emery as if that would do any good, when there are many GREAT outlets for amaterurs to submit their creation.
Triggerstreet.com or the Greenlight project for starters.
At any rate he could send them to Dorrance publishing or to Authorhouse and at least get an honest review of his work.
This guy is a complete an utter fraud but now it has become fun just to watch him squirm and try and lie his way out of ever increasing situations that he gets himself into.
Mykcob - we've already beaten the poor man for his assertion game. You don't have to drag him around - do you? Or were you trying to really make him [s:22lsyqlx]black[/s:22lsyqlx] and blue?
Point taken but it gets my dander up whenever a fruad tries to get credibility by claiming that they are a Marine. As a proud inactive retired U.S. Marine I take exception to that behavior. It slanders the good name of the Corps!
Quote from: "mykcob4"Point taken but it gets my dander up whenever a fruad tries to get credibility by claiming that they are a Marine. As a proud inactive retired U.S. Marine I take exception to that behavior. It slanders the good name of the Corps!
Well I can understand that. Remember I'm an ARMY mom so I can get my shorts in a twist when I feel my daughter is somehow misrepresented or put down...... so....... yeah I get that, Mykcob. I do.
cheers
It's one thing to try and pitch the bible to us (door reads: Atheist Forum) or dodge legitimate questions. That's one thing. We see that sort of drive-by, would-be-eers all the time around here. Actually, they're a dime a dozen on this forum.
Announcement: A new and Improved version of the bible - hear ye hear ye !!! *ding ding* lol
Riiiight......... sure....... ok.............. :: yawn:: But misrepresenting Marines? That's something else entirely - huh?
gotcha
Just because we don't agree with his assertions, we don't have to make them correct by acting like wild animals do we? Did you ever think that is just the point he is making? :-k Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Just because we don't agree with his assertions, we don't have to make them correct by acting like wild animals do we? Did you ever think that is just the point he is making? :-k Solitary
I am more than happy to confirm that Yes, I am an animal - who is also sometimes Wild. No problem.... hand up..... I confess. Yes, I am animal. (not mineral or vegetable) I'd never claim otherwise.
I'd even confess to at times being a snarky, pain-in-the-ass bitch - very animal.
yep
:-"
Still don't think it has two shakes to do with the fucking bible. Zip. Zero. Nada.
You said it I didn't. 8-[ [-( :wink: :lol: Solitary
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"um........
(from 2 pages ago)
QuoteGreets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
QuoteHopefully you get to read this particular post from me because I, for one, would like to clarify a few things (for you). Unless I am mistaken you've been asked by several members to verify yourself (and/or smurf group) as credible. IE who are you (established credibility please) that we should take seriously as a source on bible authority? Also, when we (members here) have tackled some of the assertions made by you (and Co) you've dodged the fact that we've pointed out that they Are- in fact- assertions and not real information we can use or at the very least examine.
So...... in earnest and with respect (I'll stop making a punch line from your posts IF you can please be serious) ---
Do you have anything other than assertions?
thanks
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "Old Seer"I've have things to do.
No you've haven't.
Does he remind anyone else of MR?
Quote from: "Solitary"Just because we don't agree with his assertions, we don't have to make them correct by acting like wild animals do we?
Chew toys are made for chewing on, not for making nice to.
QuoteDid you ever think that is just the point he is making?
He made a point? I must have missed it.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "Solitary"Just because we don't agree with his assertions, we don't have to make them correct by acting like wild animals do we?
Chew toys are made for chewing on, not for making nice to.
QuoteDid you ever think that is just the point he is making?
He made a point? I must have missed it.
Precisely!
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "Solitary"Just because we don't agree with his assertions, we don't have to make them correct by acting like wild animals do we?
Chew toys are made for chewing on, not for making nice to.
QuoteDid you ever think that is just the point he is making?
He made a point? I must have missed it.
I think his point was we all act like animals. Whatever. Pointless point if you ask me. Who gives a rats ass? Why any of us should be expected to behave in any other fashion than completely annoyed by being pitched COMPLETE BUNK - is beyond me.
No Real point made. No quarter given.
I've asked very Simple questions and still await straight, simple answers.
All gibberish aside - the bullshit needs to stop. Now.
I can see him now--- :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: --- I knew they'd come around to their animal side, the stupid atheists. :shock:
Smurfs one, atheists zero. (//http://i.imgur.com/kPUfwp6.jpg) :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"um........
(from 2 pages ago)
QuoteGreets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
QuoteHopefully you get to read this particular post from me because I, for one, would like to clarify a few things (for you). Unless I am mistaken you've been asked by several members to verify yourself (and/or smurf group) as credible. IE who are you (established credibility please) that we should take seriously as a source on bible authority? Also, when we (members here) have tackled some of the assertions made by you (and Co) you've dodged the fact that we've pointed out that they Are- in fact- assertions and not real information we can use or at the very least examine.
So...... in earnest and with respect (I'll stop making a punch line from your posts IF you can please be serious) ---
Do you have anything other than assertions?
thanks
Sorry. I made out a long post--apparently to long. My login timed out on the forum or on this machine. when I posted it the forum went back this your post and lost login and the contents went south. I have to start all over again. You have appropriate questions. I'll try again later. Grandkids need money from grampa. :)
Oh no now it's the sympathy route. He's on the road supposedly....broken down. He doesn't have time to respond to post because he's working on the truck. He is so intelligent he doesn't know and can't understand how this forum works, even though he has a group of smurf geniuses at his disposal.
And NOW all of a sudden his grandkids show up from thin air and demand money.
Maybe he's BEN10's grandpa working on the rustbucket and the Smurfs are really the super secret government organization that battles aliens...the Plumbers.
It just never stops with these unbelievable excuses. Time and time again with illogical unbelievable excuses.
Is he really 70?
We know he's lying about being a Marine.
Is he really part of a highly intelligent organization that apparently call themselves...Smurfs?
Does he really have any real insight to the bible, and if so why is he avoiding realistic simple questions?
Is he REALLY on "assignment", on the road?
Does he even HAVE a truck?
If so, is he really where he says he is, AND is he really broken down?
Does he really have screen plays that he has written?
Has anybody other than he and maybe a few of his demented friends read these creations?
We know one thing for sure, the answer to the question: Is he full of shit? Of course he is!!!!!
You have to have faith my son! :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Oh no now it's the sympathy route. He's on the road supposedly....broken down. He doesn't have time to respond to post because he's working on the truck. He is so intelligent he doesn't know and can't understand how this forum works, even though he has a group of smurf geniuses at his disposal.
And NOW all of a sudden his grandkids show up from thin air and demand money.
Maybe he's BEN10's grandpa working on the rustbucket and the Smurfs are really the super secret government organization that battles aliens...the Plumbers.
It just never stops with these unbelievable excuses. Time and time again with illogical unbelievable excuses.
Is he really 70?
We know he's lying about being a Marine.
Is he really part of a highly intelligent organization that apparently call themselves...Smurfs?
Does he really have any real insight to the bible, and if so why is he avoiding realistic simple questions?
Is he REALLY on "assignment", on the road?
Does he even HAVE a truck?
If so, is he really where he says he is, AND is he really broken down?
Does he really have screen plays that he has written?
Has anybody other than he and maybe a few of his demented friends read these creations?
We know one thing for sure, the answer to the question: Is he full of shit? Of course he is!!!!!
Personally I don't care (much) about any of that stuff really. I just wanted to know if he has anything other than assertions. Which IS a simple yes or no kind of thing really. He could have easily answered that in lieu of explaining his grandkids needing money, etc.
so......
typical........
full of shit.
Do we get ANY other kind (who are bible salesmen) - really?
a
No
This just gets better and better. :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "mykcob4"Oh no now it's the sympathy route. He's on the road supposedly....broken down. He doesn't have time to respond to post because he's working on the truck. He is so intelligent he doesn't know and can't understand how this forum works, even though he has a group of smurf geniuses at his disposal.
And NOW all of a sudden his grandkids show up from thin air and demand money.
Maybe he's BEN10's grandpa working on the rustbucket and the Smurfs are really the super secret government organization that battles aliens...the Plumbers.
It just never stops with these unbelievable excuses. Time and time again with illogical unbelievable excuses.
Is he really 70?
We know he's lying about being a Marine.
Is he really part of a highly intelligent organization that apparently call themselves...Smurfs?
Does he really have any real insight to the bible, and if so why is he avoiding realistic simple questions?
Is he REALLY on "assignment", on the road?
Does he even HAVE a truck?
If so, is he really where he says he is, AND is he really broken down?
Does he really have screen plays that he has written?
Has anybody other than he and maybe a few of his demented friends read these creations?
We know one thing for sure, the answer to the question: Is he full of shit? Of course he is!!!!!
Personally I don't care (much) about any of that stuff really. I just wanted to know if he has anything other than assertions. Which IS a simple yes or no kind of thing really. He could have easily answered that in lieu of explaining his grandkids needing money, etc.
so......
typical........
full of shit.
Do we get ANY other kind (who are bible salesmen) - really?
a
No
I know. If he is a theist, why not just say so. People here aren't put off by theist. A different slant on the old book of allagory would be interesting. BUT NOOOOO, we get a guy trying to hide his identity, making up a bunch of cornball BS, lying like a dog, and making up excuse after excuse.
Look I wouldn't haven't even questioned or investigated his claim of being a Marine if he'd been honest in the fisrt place. His way of giving excuses and avoiding direct questions, made me smell a rat. THEN when he tried to gain some credibilty by dropping names and associating himself with the USMC, that made me hot. I had to know if he was lying or if one of my brothers just fell off the deep end. I was prepared emotionally, organizationally and financially to help in any way I could if he was ligit. Hell, if he was a Marine and broken down on I-35, I was prepared to go find him and give assistance. BUT NOOOOO, he just had to be a fraud, easily ferreted out, and now he is back peddling and devising even more outrageous excuses to cover his lies.
This happens every time. Every single time :rollin: I swear we could set all the clocks by number of dodges, excuses, MR-ish styled behavior and answers.
every
single
time.
Does anyone else find it interesting that the recipe is exactly the same for each and every bible salesman that strolls in here?
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(from 2 pages ago)
QuoteGreets : To some degree you are correct. I didn't run off--I stated I will only answer questions relateing directly to the interpretation. You did ask a question , maybe not for insights on the interpretation, but not polishing techs, but changeing word strings and presentations.
I'll give you another laugh so here goes. I am a writer, but in this presentation I was in a hurry and wasn't watching word strings. I went about it as though writing to another Smurf who knows the subject matter and would have no problems with it from that perspective, I also have limited time before I have to get under way on my usual travels. If a question is asked I won't be available to respond and am wanting to convey as much a possible before jump off time. I would need to go online at a MacDonalds (they have WiFi) truck stop, or motel. A few way side rests (like Texas) have internet along I-35. I am also a speed reader, and in speed reading one gleans mostly what is important in writing and let the rest go. However- I'm a terrible typist. I tend to type faster then my ability, make a bunch of mistakes, (the 2 keys wrong key at a time thing) and after a few posts get tired of correcting all the typos and let it go as is.
So, now you want my writing credetials :). That's not meant as a negative. I,ve rute <--- a few screen plays all on USMC plots. One was reviewed By R. Lee. Ermey (DI in Full Metal Jacket) and given an "Outstanding".
Any sentence can have 2 to 5 different meanings depending upon where words are placed. I'm not watching my word placements and am being taken drastically wrong. There are sentences that have two ways of string and still mean the same---such as --- For Sale, Campfire wood, as compared to, For Sale, Camp Firewood. No mistaken the means there. Sentences have primary words and secondary words. Depending upon where they are put in a sentence, a sentence can mean slightly different things even using all the same words.
One of the reasons I haven't answered some posts is because I don't even know it's there. I find how forums work is very confusing. But, I can see that's the way they are by there nature.
So, back to questions.
My Smiley isn't there for drill---it's meant to show I have no animosity in the works..
QuoteHopefully you get to read this particular post from me because I, for one, would like to clarify a few things (for you). Unless I am mistaken you've been asked by several members to verify yourself (and/or smurf group) as credible. IE who are you (established credibility please) that we should take seriously as a source on bible authority? Also, when we (members here) have tackled some of the assertions made by you (and Co) you've dodged the fact that we've pointed out that they Are- in fact- assertions and not real information we can use or at the very least examine.
So...... in earnest and with respect (I'll stop making a punch line from your posts IF you can please be serious) ---
Do you have anything other than assertions?
thanks
OK, what do you mean by credentials. Would that be credited authority on the bible, or gone to school, or bible college, seminary, etc.
We're just plain people like everyone else. There's nothing special about us. Do you want to know our education specifically or our education in bible studies. I was brought up on the bible but never went to any special bible classes. I was well schooled on Catholicism at one time. The others very likely never went to any special bible schooling that I know of. I had that all written out and the post went south. They simply are/were professionals in their fields. We're not all in the same State. The States we're in are North and South Dakota, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, maybe Michigan. I've only met 3 of them face to face. Communication in the 80's to 92 was by the sales man of who all were his clients. The study wasn't completed. We left off in 92 because of lack of interest. We were satisfied with what we found and let it go. From time to time I would get something new and I would have something new, and loosely stayed in touch. We were tied together by the salesman of insurance and investments all of who were his clients. I met him in town here passing through, and that's when I gave him some biblical creation possibilities and he took them to the physicist whom was a client of his. But no one has had any special bible schooling that I know of. It always has been a loose confederation, if the word applies.
Could you post an assertion made so I can respond to it. I'm confuse on that. Or pick one off the top that you know about. I'm asking so I can clarify what I said.
Yes, The grandkids were here and got their bucks for gas movie etc. I have 8 grand kids. I'm camped on the family 20 acres that I gave to my oldest daughter in 2009. I have WiFi to the house. I live in my trailer exclusively. She has 2 kids, Jimbo and Shelby. Jimbo is out of high school and Shelby is on her last year in high school. My son has two kids ,Jacob and Koty. Koty will be on his 3rd year of college this next school term. My youngest dauther has 3 kids, Erland, Garret, and Wanna. Wanna is adopted from Guatemala. She was adopted at the age of 4 and is now 14-1/2. She was born with a deformed leg and knee which had to be removed.
If mycob needs proof that I am a US Marine he can goto USMC forum board 1. My handle is Gruntosaurus Rex. If that's not enough I will email a copy of my DD-214 to Frank Duffy and mycob can take his word or not for it. The Duffsters handle is Long Gone I have a boot camp Bro on the wall that stood next to me in ranks- Samuel L Reed.
People- I'm having a hard time keeping up with all this--but will keep trying.
I have a 2000 Chev 3500 (one ton)to pull my trailer with--I also use the rig to transport interstate, such as motor cycles, ATVs, small cars, and general freight. I have bids that could materialize at any time--if so I have to be under way on short notice. Once a bid is accepted I have a client to make happy. My trailer is a 26 foot enclosed car hauler that has accommodations for living. The counters fold up and all things get put away or left home leaving a wide open trailer to use for transport. Go to http://www.uship.com (http://www.uship.com) --find Eddy's Small Haul. or eddyssmaulhaul OK how much personal info do I have to give out to satisfy mycob. Did anyone check the copyright office for a script--Time Zero--it's there with m name attached.
Well well many of the things you state made be atleast partially true. Part of your new story though has a couple of holes. The big glaring one is the part that you all communicated through an insurance agent.
1) Insurance agents don't actually travel to more than two states.
2) Insurance agents make a slae and don't actually don't keep in touch all that often, maybe once a year.
The scenerio that you offered makes no sense. It's illogical and follows the same pattern of ridiculousness that the rest of your post have been.
I don't care that you wanted to be a Marine. I don't care who your family is. You should have never introduced those eliments in your post.
What you should have done is present your theory, the whole thing. You shouldn't have been coy or tried to be mysterious. This forum is filled with highly well educated people and I'm sure that is atleast one of us that comprehend even the most complicated issues.
2) You should have presented credible sources that verify your findings, you know like a theme paper!
So if you want to start fresh please do so. This time be professional about it and don't play games!
If you are honest I won't attack you, but no more trying to gain credibility by dropping names or making up shit, or bringing up unrelated crap.
QuoteBranch of Service Date of Changeover
Army and Air Force July 1, 1969
Navy and Marine Corps January 1, 1972
Coast Guard October 1, 1974
I'm curious about why you and the other Smurfs think your interpretations are correct when the Bible is ambiguous and one can pick and choose to support any view they have. You say you have a right to defend yourself even though the Bible says: "Thou shall not kill." If you went willingly into a situation of invading another country when you could have objected on moral grounds, how do you justify doing it and claiming self defense. If it was because it was your animal side, then your whole argument is meaningless because it shows that a belief system does not prevent the animal side from coming out. Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gandhi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make? Well you haven't succeeded yourself and yet expect others to do so. Solitary
Seer, why can't you answer this simple question? Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gandhi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make? We have all given you chances to answer our questions and you refuse or come up with excuses. This sounds to me that your nothing more than a troll that everyone at this thread seems to know but you. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: Solitary
Seer - an assertion is when you make a claim for which you have no factual evidence. We've been waiting for you to produce factual evidence for the *assertions* you make with your biblical claims.
Your personal life doesn't prove anything to me. Years worth of experience only count for so much in my (personal) opinion. I've met some pretty screwy people who are well into their 80s. My mom is a good example of this.
You are probably a nice person and mean well......... but ........... that doesn't counter any question(s) here regarding our request that you provide some sort of evidence for your claims.
We - as a rule - tend to be highly skeptical of the bible. This is why you've been questioned regarding your credentials for being some sort of authority who has a proper background for pulling the bible apart and offering a better explanation than any we've heard thus far.
Otherwise - why would/should we listen to you?
People who (1) try to pitch their ideas about the bible
or/and (2) make claims they cannot back up
or/and (3) act all butthurt when they are questioned
don't do well here.
So
Answer questions that are put to you OR leave.
EXPECT to be questioned. That's the deal. We even grill one another when someone makes some hair-brained claim here. Stop stalling.
When you don't give simple, direct answers to questions you are called a Troll.
A troll is someone who wastes everyone's time on internet forums.
this post by me **should** clear EVERYTHING up for you. I've bothered to explain to you AGAIN how this all works. I hope you are respectful that I bothered to do this and answer questions members here have put to you.
If you cannot do so........ please take your little blue self elsewhere on the internet.
thanks
Quote from: "Solitary" Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gandhi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make?
Gandhi? That guy that slept with all those underage girls?
Including his grandniece.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Well well many of the things you state made be atleast partially true. Part of your new story though has a couple of holes. The big glaring one is the part that you all communicated through an insurance agent.
1) Insurance agents don't actually travel to more than two states.
2) Insurance agents make a slae and don't actually don't keep in touch all that often, maybe once a year.
The scenerio that you offered makes no sense. It's illogical and follows the same pattern of ridiculousness that the rest of your post have been.
I don't care that you wanted to be a Marine. I don't care who your family is. You should have never introduced those eliments in your post.
What you should have done is present your theory, the whole thing. You shouldn't have been coy or tried to be mysterious. This forum is filled with highly well educated people and I'm sure that is atleast one of us that comprehend even the most complicated issues.
2) You should have presented credible sources that verify your findings, you know like a theme paper!
So if you want to start fresh please do so. This time be professional about it and don't play games!
If you are honest I won't attack you, but no more trying to gain credibility by dropping names or making up shit, or bringing up unrelated crap.
The Troops are on the way. I'm not going any farther on this site (one thing at a time) until I show that this Marine has unjustifiably berated and another Marine in the face of the public, which is a sacrilege in MY United States Marine Corps. I took it up the chain of command to other Marines. I want him standing tall before the man. Today on the the few, the proud, the Marines forum , board 1 and 2. I will post my drivers license, DD-214, PFC certificate, L/Cpl certificate, Honorable discharge. A pic of me and Samuel L Reed along side each other in my platoon book form 1958. Samuel L Reed is on the Veit Nam memorial wall. You get your ass over there buster and make an accounting of yourself. NO Marine has the right to do to another Marine what you did to me. They are going to hold inspection on you Marine.
Quote from: "Old Seer"NO Marine has the right to do to another Marine what you did to me. They are going to hold inspection on you Marine.
Why are you so fixated on trying to show you are a marine? You were in the army, ok, we get it.
It doesn't matter if you were in the Womens Auxiliary Balloon Core or the SAS, it doesn't help whatever point you might be trying to make in this thread (I'm still trying to work out what that is.)
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Well well many of the things you state made be atleast partially true. Part of your new story though has a couple of holes. The big glaring one is the part that you all communicated through an insurance agent.
1) Insurance agents don't actually travel to more than two states.
2) Insurance agents make a slae and don't actually don't keep in touch all that often, maybe once a year.
The scenerio that you offered makes no sense. It's illogical and follows the same pattern of ridiculousness that the rest of your post have been.
I don't care that you wanted to be a Marine. I don't care who your family is. You should have never introduced those eliments in your post.
What you should have done is present your theory, the whole thing. You shouldn't have been coy or tried to be mysterious. This forum is filled with highly well educated people and I'm sure that is atleast one of us that comprehend even the most complicated issues.
2) You should have presented credible sources that verify your findings, you know like a theme paper!
So if you want to start fresh please do so. This time be professional about it and don't play games!
If you are honest I won't attack you, but no more trying to gain credibility by dropping names or making up shit, or bringing up unrelated crap.
The Troops are on the way. I'm not going any farther on this site (one thing at a time) until I show that this Marine has unjustifiably berated and another Marine in the face of the public, which is a sacrilege in MY United States Marine Corps. I took it up the chain of command to other Marines. I want him standing tall before the man. Today on the the few, the proud, the Marines forum , board 1 and 2. I will post my drivers license, DD-214, PFC certificate, L/Cpl certificate, Honorable discharge. A pic of me and Samuel L Reed along side each other in my platoon book form 1958. Samuel L Reed is on the Veit Nam memorial wall. You get your ass over there buster and make an accounting of yourself. NO Marine has the right to do to another Marine what you did to me. They are going to hold inspection on you Marine.
So -
Your purpose in coming here (to pitch Your version of the bible) has taken a back seat to Your NEED to prove yourself a Marine? Am I getting that right?
Ok then.......
checkmate
on that whole "how you've learned how NOT to be an animal via your bible translation"....
You tried to pitch another version of the bible and proved FOR US what animal You are.
IE - your translation - credible or not - doesn't work.
for petesake.......
can you say stupid?
:roll: Oh brother! Can't even answer one simple question and still defending his being a Marine after being called out, as if anyone here gives a damned after he shows himself as is to what he really is---a troll that was here just to upset everyone and it back fired, and then he shows his true colors---give him enough rope and he hangs himself. =D> Good job everyone. Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"QuoteBranch of Service Date of Changeover
Army and Air Force July 1, 1969
Navy and Marine Corps January 1, 1972
Coast Guard October 1, 1974
I'm curious about why you and the other Smurfs think your interpretations are correct when the Bible is ambiguous and one can pick and choose to support any view they have. You say you have a right to defend yourself even though the Bible says: "Thou shall not kill." If you went willingly into a situation of invading another country when you could have objected on moral grounds, how do you justify doing it and claiming self defense. If it was because it was your animal side, then your whole argument is meaningless because it shows that a belief system does not prevent the animal side from coming out. Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gandhi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make? Well you haven't succeeded yourself and yet expect others to do so. Solitary
Seer, why can't you answer this simple question? Unless you are a truly brave moral person like Mahatma Gandhi it won't work. Is that the point you're trying to make? We have all given you chances to answer our questions and you refuse or come up with excuses. This sounds to me that your nothing more than a troll that everyone at this thread seems to know but you. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: Solitary
Would you please all give me some time. I cannot keep up with the demands. Please ---one thing at a time for now. I'm calling out Mycob4 --or whatever. I'm going to deal with that first. Already. The Marines on the forum may have found a Phoney Marine and it ain't me. we'll see. Some of them guys can hack just like the hacker Smufers. Please people--I can't handle this all and am being judged by my inability to to go any faster. I'm posting my USMC specs on the Marine forum so there will be no doubts --it will take a bit. I have to scan and upload pics to my photo bucket account. :)
Time for what? In the amount of time it took you to post this you could have answered at least one question. I wish you the best in life because with your attitude you are going to need it. I actually feel sorry for you now. I have PTSD, do you also? Yes or no? If yes have your doctor put you on Paroxetine. Solitary
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Old Seer, you can't control what other people post. You don't have to respond to everything in order to respond to something. Focusing on the most substantive posts and ignoring the others is what I've found to be the best policy in this situation.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Would you please all give me some time. I cannot keep up with the demands. Please ---one thing at a time for now.
You've had plenty of time. The only thing you are being asked to do is to explain yourself.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Well well many of the things you state made be atleast partially true. Part of your new story though has a couple of holes. The big glaring one is the part that you all communicated through an insurance agent.
1) Insurance agents don't actually travel to more than two states.
2) Insurance agents make a slae and don't actually don't keep in touch all that often, maybe once a year.
The scenerio that you offered makes no sense. It's illogical and follows the same pattern of ridiculousness that the rest of your post have been.
I don't care that you wanted to be a Marine. I don't care who your family is. You should have never introduced those eliments in your post.
What you should have done is present your theory, the whole thing. You shouldn't have been coy or tried to be mysterious. This forum is filled with highly well educated people and I'm sure that is atleast one of us that comprehend even the most complicated issues.
2) You should have presented credible sources that verify your findings, you know like a theme paper!
So if you want to start fresh please do so. This time be professional about it and don't play games!
If you are honest I won't attack you, but no more trying to gain credibility by dropping names or making up shit, or bringing up unrelated crap.
The Troops are on the way. I'm not going any farther on this site (one thing at a time) until I show that this Marine has unjustifiably berated and another Marine in the face of the public, which is a sacrilege in MY United States Marine Corps. I took it up the chain of command to other Marines. I want him standing tall before the man. Today on the the few, the proud, the Marines forum , board 1 and 2. I will post my drivers license, DD-214, PFC certificate, L/Cpl certificate, Honorable discharge. A pic of me and Samuel L Reed along side each other in my platoon book form 1958. Samuel L Reed is on the Veit Nam memorial wall. You get your ass over there buster and make an accounting of yourself. NO Marine has the right to do to another Marine what you did to me. They are going to hold inspection on you Marine.
So -
Your purpose in coming here (to pitch Your version of the bible) has taken a back seat to Your NEED to prove yourself a Marine? Am I getting that right?
Ok then.......
checkmate
on that whole "how you've learned how NOT to be an animal via your bible translation"....
You tried to pitch another version of the bible and proved FOR US what animal You are.
IE - your translation - credible or not - doesn't work.
Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
Good call! Let's see, I'm 71, so 1960 there was a draft, that would have made me 19. There was an undeclared war then. But we were just advisors to the French then. I would have thought he would have said he had been an advisor then. But it is possible he was a Marine then.
It started in 1954 (the same year the Algerian War for Independence from France began) and ended in 1975. It went on longer in Vietnam until the North Vietnamese took over South Vietnam and made the entire country communist governed. The Vietnamese had been fighting for a lot longer than before the US stepped in to help.
1. If one could think about direct army involvement then it would be Sept. 27, 1950 when the US establishes the Military Assistance Advisory Group, Indochina (MAAG) in Saigon to aid the French military (the French had been fighting communist rebels in Vietnam, their pre-WWII colony, since 1945 A.D.).
2. If one could think about direct combat engagement then it would be November 1, 1955 -- The US re-designates MACG, Indochina, as MACG, Vietnam to specify its new direct combat advisory role with the North Vietnamese Army. The US essentially took over the advisory role from the French, who were leaving Vietnam after their defeat at Diem Bien Phu in 1954. The Department of Defense views this date as the earliest qualifying date for inclusion on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. In fact this allows US military personnel to use live weapons in Vietnam aka 'to win'!
3. March 1959 -- Ho Chi Minh declares a People's War to unite all of Vietnam under his leadership. His Politburo orders a changeover to an all-out military struggle. From the communist perspective, the "Vietnam War" against the US has now officially started.
4. December 11, 1961 -- US aircraft carrier "Core" arrives in Saigon with 65 helicopters and 4000 air and ground crewmen assigned to operate them for the North Vietnamese Army. Also, US pilots start to train & fly support missions with the North Vietnamese Air Force. This really marks the first larger scale participation of US military "advisers.
5. August 7, 1964 -- In response to the incidents involving US naval vessels USS. Maddox and the USS Turner Joy, the US Congress overwhelmingly passes the "Gulf of Ton-kin Resolution," allowing the President "to take all necessary steps, including the use of armed force" to prevent further attacks against US forces. Many people view this as the "official" start of the war, although there was never a declaration of war.
6. March 8, 1965 -- The first US combat troops arrive in Vietnam, as 3500 Marines land at China Beach to defend the American air base at Da Nang. They join 23,000 American military advisers already in Vietnam. The arrival of combat troops is considered by some the start of the war, although American military advisers had been in Vietnam for over 10 years.
Here is more input and answers from others:
For the US, the start date would have to be around July of 1961. My battalion was on patrol in the South China sea when President Kennedy ordered us to Laos. We were to be issued live ammo and to wait for further instructions. We floated in the South China sea for several months before we were ordered back to our home base of Okinawa. I was with 2nd bat. 9th Marines on the USS Paul Revere when all of this happened.
The US military typically views the beginning of its official military deployment in 1961, when we sent 400 helicopters (as well as the crews to fly & maintain them) to South Vietnam. Others point to the Gulf of Ton-kin Resolution and the subsequent massive build-up of US forces in 1964 as the real beginning of the "war." Of course, American military "advisers" had been in South Vietnam since the late 1950's.
After the French defeat in 1954 the communists agreed to a partitioned country. The US. sent advisers to Vietnam in late 1959 and early 1960 under President Kennedy. It escalated from this point on until the US. withdrew in 1973. Vietnam was at war from 1945 until 1973. Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
This phoney is NOT a US Marine by any means. He has been found out by AB on the few the proud the marines forum. He has been on Marines forums where he has been found to be absolutely phoney and a Marine wannbe. You bet you're done here scumbag. You're a troll that has slandered my name and image. I have spent more useless time here being hated because of you, and can't answer anything appropriately because of your constant interference. Anyone here can go to the a fore mentioned site and view my presented "credentials". I implore you all to ask this turd for "his" credentials and record of service. This man is known as a glory hound and comes under the headings in "Stolen Valor". There's no doubt that he has Marine Dress Blues (uniform) with a chest full of medals from the first world war to the present, and no doubt displays a Congressional Medal of Honor in the works. Ok slimeball present your material. The Marines on the forum are waiting your arrival. Get your ass over there and be accountable. You've all been had by this bottom of the ocean whale shit.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
This phoney is NOT a US Marine by any means. He has been found out by AB on the few the proud the marines forum. He has been on Marines forums where he has been found to be absolutely phoney and a Marine wannbe. You bet you're done here scumbag. You're a troll that has slandered my name and image. I have spent more useless time here being hated because of you, and can't answer anything appropriately because of your constant interference. Anyone here can go to the a fore mentioned site and view my presented "credentials". I implore you all to ask this turd for "his" credentials and record of service. This man is known as a glory hound and comes under the headings in "Stolen Valor". There's no doubt that he has Marine Dress Blues (uniform) with a chest full of medals from the first world war to the present, and no doubt displays a Congressional Medal of Honor in the works. Ok slimeball present your material. The Marines on the forum are waiting your arrival. Get your ass over there and be accountable. You've all been had by this bottom of the ocean whale shit.
Ah how funny.
1) I have never been on the website that state the socalled "the few the proud the Marines". (funny how you don't include a web address)!
2)I don't know where or to whom I would be known as a "gloryhound" since I don't proclaim glory nor have I ever sought it. So this is just more blustering by you.
You can't provide a web address for anything.
3) I have never ever stated in any form or forum that I have a CMH medal. I don't know where you got that idea. Oh wait, I know where, YOUR DELLUSSIONAL MIND!!!!!
4) I am not a troll. I didn't start a thread and REFUSE to be accountible for my claims. That is exactly what YOU did goofball!
5) You're psychotic. You can't even present a consistant well constructed argument. This blabber about WW I, Dress Blues, you're all over the place.
6) This asking for my credentials is just another game to deflect attention away from your obvious lies. It's called killing the messenger. Bad politicians and evangelicals do it to distract people away from their lies.
7) Noone has slandered your name but YOU. When you can't answer simple questions put to you, and when you do answer softball questions you get them WRONG, you are obviously a fraud in every sense of the word.
Your timelines are fucked up. Your logic is fucked up. Your claims are unsubstaintiated. You keep dropping names as if they have anything to do with the issue or REALITY. You refer to websites and give no web addresses. You refer to people that may indeed be real but doesn't in anyway lend to YOUR credibility. You create wild stories and offer them as excuses for not answering or posting proof of your claims, when it is obvious that in the time that you create these little unbelievable scenerios you could have just answered the original question.
Any reasonable person that is confident in who they are, and is honest in who they are, would ignore any personal attack and just provide proof of their theory. BUT NOOOOOO...you can't do that. In stead you just lose your fucking mind and create even more elaborate stories.
Now you are backed into a corner and the only way you think that you can get out of it is to try and turn the tide, but heres the problem. I don't need to make up a bunch of people from some random website and make claims about what they supposedly said. Since I have never ever visited that website and since I am not a public figure, there is NO WAY any of these supposed people would even know who I am. BTW my moniker "mycob4" is the one I use for this site and only this site, so just how in the world would anybody from a differsnt site know who I am.
Of course this isn't about me, it's about you. You made the wild claims and just can't handle that you have been called out on them. I haven't made any claim that I'd have to defend, not one.
It cracks me up how childish and immature you are. No one with that level of total immaturity could ever "discover" anything of value, least of all the true meaning of life!
Okay so I did a little digging. I looked up this supposed website or tried to. Heres what I found:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 0824,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20few%20the%20proud%20the%20marines&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marines.com%2F&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&usg=AFQjCNHT58pApa6vl_f6zUdm0B7x9421RQ&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 0824,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20few%20the%20proud%20the%20marines&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CEMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fusmilitary.about.com%2Fod%2Fmarines%2Fl%2Faamarines.htm&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&usg=AFQjCNGPeoYfG_Z53tfJr_NwI0K025BcVg&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 0824,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20few%20the%20proud%20the%20marines&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEkQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBzccgMy0P6s&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&usg=AFQjCNEHywQkEHu0ZFMapmj9jU41gH5x2A&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 0824,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20few%20the%20proud%20the%20marines&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&ved=0CF4QFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marines.mil%2F&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&usg=AFQjCNHZRiWhQ5P9F4rK8h6cPMBK4J3AAg&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 0824,d.aWc (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20few%20the%20proud%20the%20marines&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&ved=0CGkQFjAJ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FThe-few-the-proud-the-US-Marine-corps%2F110824315606269&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&usg=AFQjCNGB1zvOyhAILoMF9OBh9Tqx32qH3Q&bvm=bv.50310824,d.aWc)
http://www.google.com/search?q=the+few+ ... d=0CE8QsAQ (http://www.google.com/search?q=the+few+the+proud+the+marines&biw=1024&bih=596&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=KZoCUu3SCKbUyQHxmICIBA&ved=0CE8QsAQ)
the few the proud the marines quotes
the few the proud the marines slogan
the few the proud the marines voice
the few the proud the marines poster
the few the proud the marines commercial
the few the proud the marines song
the few the proud the marines t-shirts
the few the proud the marines origin
And thats just the Google search, more than 5 million hits.
I don't think that there IS a site that you claim(nev er didn't think that there would be)! This is just more proof that you are a liar and are lying out of your ass.
This little chew toy is SOOOOO fucking easy. He makes a wild claim and it is SO easy to prove he is lying.
Maybe next he'll claim that he died in Veitnam and his name is on the memorial. Or maybe his image is imortalized in the form of the statue "Raisnig of Colors on Iwo Jima".
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
This phoney is NOT a US Marine by any means. He has been found out by AB on the few the proud the marines forum. He has been on Marines forums where he has been found to be absolutely phoney and a Marine wannbe. You bet you're done here scumbag. You're a troll that has slandered my name and image. I have spent more useless time here being hated because of you, and can't answer anything appropriately because of your constant interference. Anyone here can go to the a fore mentioned site and view my presented "credentials". I implore you all to ask this turd for "his" credentials and record of service. This man is known as a glory hound and comes under the headings in "Stolen Valor". There's no doubt that he has Marine Dress Blues (uniform) with a chest full of medals from the first world war to the present, and no doubt displays a Congressional Medal of Honor in the works. Ok slimeball present your material. The Marines on the forum are waiting your arrival. Get your ass over there and be accountable. You've all been had by this bottom of the ocean whale shit.
Ah how funny.
1) I have never been on the website that state the socalled "the few the proud the Marines". (funny how you don't include a web address)!
2)I don't know where or to whom I would be known as a "gloryhound" since I don't proclaim glory nor have I ever sought it. So this is just more blustering by you.
You can't provide a web address for anything.
3) I have never ever stated in any form or forum that I have a CMH medal. I don't know where you got that idea. Oh wait, I know where, YOUR DELLUSSIONAL MIND!!!!!
4) I am not a troll. I didn't start a thread and REFUSE to be accountible for my claims. That is exactly what YOU did goofball!
5) You're psychotic. You can't even present a consistant well constructed argument. This blabber about WW I, Dress Blues, you're all over the place.
6) This asking for my credentials is just another game to deflect attention away from your obvious lies. It's called killing the messenger. Bad politicians and evangelicals do it to distract people away from their lies.
7) Noone has slandered your name but YOU. When you can't answer simple questions put to you, and when you do answer softball questions you get them WRONG, you are obviously a fraud in every sense of the word.
Your timelines are fucked up. Your logic is fucked up. Your claims are unsubstaintiated. You keep dropping names as if they have anything to do with the issue or REALITY. You refer to websites and give no web addresses. You refer to people that may indeed be real but doesn't in anyway lend to YOUR credibility. You create wild stories and offer them as excuses for not answering or posting proof of your claims, when it is obvious that in the time that you create these little unbelievable scenerios you could have just answered the original question.
Any reasonable person that is confident in who they are, and is honest in who they are, would ignore any personal attack and just provide proof of their theory. BUT NOOOOOO...you can't do that. In stead you just lose your fucking mind and create even more elaborate stories.
Now you are backed into a corner and the only way you think that you can get out of it is to try and turn the tide, but heres the problem. I don't need to make up a bunch of people from some random website and make claims about what they supposedly said. Since I have never ever visited that website and since I am not a public figure, there is NO WAY any of these supposed people would even know who I am. BTW my moniker "mycob4" is the one I use for this site and only this site, so just how in the world would anybody from a differsnt site know who I am.
Of course this isn't about me, it's about you. You made the wild claims and just can't handle that you have been called out on them. I haven't made any claim that I'd have to defend, not one.
It cracks me up how childish and immature you are. No one with that level of total immaturity could ever "discover" anything of value, least of all the true meaning of life!
Google it- it'll come up on any search engine. OK--copy and paste this, scumbag.
http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi (http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi)
You pull this same stunt on Marine forums. How about a forum back in 2009. Go to the site--AB has the info right on the page. You're phoney.
Why is it that I don't see your name there? See what they say of your posts if you join. Solitary
I have never been on that website(http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi (http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi)). It's a pretty small website or forum and it isn't very well constructed. I don't see ANYTHING refering to me or YOU for that matter. I counted 84 names on the list and the only one I recognize is Alan Shepard. I don't know if it's the astronaut. I suspect it isn't.
This certainly doesn't lend to your credibility nor does it in anyway even refer to mine. It only proves that you will play games and you don't have a shred of evidence about, well lets face it ANYTHING!
Since I haven't ever been on this website you call "Marine Forums" in 2009 or ever, I have no idea what you are talking about. I have a strong suspicion that you don't either.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
This phoney is NOT a US Marine by any means. He has been found out by AB on the few the proud the marines forum. He has been on Marines forums where he has been found to be absolutely phoney and a Marine wannbe. You bet you're done here scumbag. You're a troll that has slandered my name and image. I have spent more useless time here being hated because of you, and can't answer anything appropriately because of your constant interference. Anyone here can go to the a fore mentioned site and view my presented "credentials". I implore you all to ask this turd for "his" credentials and record of service. This man is known as a glory hound and comes under the headings in "Stolen Valor". There's no doubt that he has Marine Dress Blues (uniform) with a chest full of medals from the first world war to the present, and no doubt displays a Congressional Medal of Honor in the works. Ok slimeball present your material. The Marines on the forum are waiting your arrival. Get your ass over there and be accountable. You've all been had by this bottom of the ocean whale shit.
Nope I did not find you on the site you provided. Sorry, but no.
And as for Mykcob - I may not always agree with him but I've known him ever since being a member here and know him to be NO LIAR. I'd have his back any day of the week no matter how many subjects we might not totally agree on. I have a thing for people who tend to tell the truth. He may be brutal but at least he is honest. And I think I know him a little better than you - so fuck off with YOU calling Him a liar. A No!!!
You, sir, have completely worn out your welcome here. Patience is running too thin with you. Time for you to Smurf somewhere else. Take your bible translation and your overblown ego and go troll some other forum.
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Old Seer, let me make it REALLY simple for you. (As we get older - and I can remember the day FDR died - a wall of text sometimes confuses us.)
The Bible is assertion. That's all it is. No evidence, just a book.
Jesus Christ is just assertion. No actual evidence that the person described in the gospels ever existed. (And don't get started on Paul - he described a godlet living in the 7th heaven, not a man.)
So, if you have any actual evidence - archaeological, physical, chemical, etc., that any of the extraordinary claims in the Bible are true, or that the Jesus described in the gospels actually existed, post it.
Be prepared to be shown that most of the claims about Jesus in the gospels can be proved false. Like Nazareth didn't exist in the 1st century, so Jesus couldn't have been "of" it. (We even know the mistranslation that caused the Bible to claim that he was a Nazarene.) Like Rome never required that people return to their place of birth for the census, they had to to return to their place of residence, so the whole "inn" story is made up. Like the fact that the Romans, who were anal record keepers, never wrote a single word about this miracle worker while he was alive or immediately after he was sentenced and executed.
You have to counter all these things, and hundreds more like them, before we'll even consider anything you say about the Bible. You start with the assumption that the Bible is true, at least in part. We start with the assertion that it's true and wait for actual evidence to back up that assertion. Until we see the evidence, and see reasons to ignore the actual evidence that says it's a fairy tale (and there's tons of it in many different scientific disciplines), we're as convinced that the Bible is any more than just a book of nonsense as you are that the Egyptian Book of the Dead is the actual words of Ra (the sun god), written in his own hand by god-magic.
So post your evidence.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "mykcob4"Hey goofball, I offered you an olive branch and you broke it in two. I more than proved that you are not and never were a Marine so get over it. I don't need to go to all these other websites that you haven't even provided a web address for, and guess what? I'm not going to. If you are who you say you are I can go to ONE site to actually find out....Marine Locator! I don't need to look at a doctored photo, or any of the other fake crap that you have proposed. Funny how you didn't include any web address. That tells me that you don't REALLY want me to research for the TRUTH!
So fake internet Marine, lying bullshit artist troll, lets get to the nitty gritty.
State your theory with bullet point notation and cite reliable credible sources that back up your theory. Don't interject any crap about your ficticious family, or make wild claims about writing movies, drop famous names just because they are famous and don't have anything to do with your theory, and most importantly QUIT USING THE REPUTATION OF THE USMC to try and give you some assemblance of credibility. Even if you were a Marine(which you obviously never were) it doesn't matter. It doesn't prove a damned thing about your crackpot theory.
It is painfully obvious to the most casual observer that you are full of shit. We have given you ample time and numerous opportunity to back up all your crap. You have failed to do so on everything. Either you deflected the questions by creating another outrageous story, or dropped a famous name that has nothing to do with the issue, or avoided the question altogether.
BTW moron, I did the math. You say that you are 70 and you claim that you were in the USMC from 58-61. Well idiot that means that you had to have joined when you were 15 or 16. That couldn't have happened. You can join the Corps at seventeen with a parental consent waiver as long as you have a HS diploma, or in the time of war. 58-61, can't think of ANY war at that time, so that part of your story is BULLSHIT also.
The fact that you didn't take the opportunity to actually address the issue when given a golden chance, and decided instead to keep flooding the thread with more elaborate crap is evident that you a liar, a wannabe, and a troll.
We're done here!
This phoney is NOT a US Marine by any means. He has been found out by AB on the few the proud the marines forum. He has been on Marines forums where he has been found to be absolutely phoney and a Marine wannbe. You bet you're done here scumbag. You're a troll that has slandered my name and image. I have spent more useless time here being hated because of you, and can't answer anything appropriately because of your constant interference. Anyone here can go to the a fore mentioned site and view my presented "credentials". I implore you all to ask this turd for "his" credentials and record of service. This man is known as a glory hound and comes under the headings in "Stolen Valor". There's no doubt that he has Marine Dress Blues (uniform) with a chest full of medals from the first world war to the present, and no doubt displays a Congressional Medal of Honor in the works. Ok slimeball present your material. The Marines on the forum are waiting your arrival. Get your ass over there and be accountable. You've all been had by this bottom of the ocean whale shit.
Nope I did not find you on the site you provided. Sorry, but no.
And as for Mykcob - I may not always agree with him but I've known him ever since being a member here and know him to be NO LIAR. I'd have his back any day of the week no matter how many subjects we might not totally agree on. I have a thing for people who tend to tell the truth. He may be brutal but at least he is honest. And I think I know him a little better than you - so fuck off with YOU calling Him a liar. A No!!!
You, sir, have completely worn out your welcome here. Patience is running too thin with you. Time for you to Smurf somewhere else. Take your bible translation and your overblown ego and go troll some other forum.
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It works for me
Try again, I'm Gruntosaurus Rex
http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi (http://www.usmcforum.net/cgi-bin/mb1/index.cgi)
=D> That's just what he needed, a Colanthoscopy. :rollin: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"=D> That's just what he needed, a Colanthoscopy. :rollin: Solitary
And you all here are going to tell me that the URL provided doesn't work. It works for me.
So, I heard you had places to go and things to see, people to spread the good word to and all that mumbo-jumbo bullshit.
Was it a small world and you made a full loop, or did you just decide you love us too much to leave?
Touchy aren't we! This is going to get even more interesting I guaranty it. Oh! Gruntosaurus Rex was a Marine. Well Jar Head Ed, now that I now you were a Marine would you be so kind to answer my last question, or anyone else's? Solitary
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Solitary"=D> That's just what he needed, a Colanthoscopy. :rollin: Solitary
And you all here are going to tell me that the URL provided doesn't work. It works for me.
We didn't say it doesn't work. We said it doesn't PROVE anything. Also it's just a distraction. It isn't about the issue of the thread.
So what you found a forum that YOU joined. Big deal, so what.
I don't think you actually know what PROOF is!
I never joined that forum. I've never been on that forum. Theres only 84 people that are on that forum and I'm not one of them, in 2009 or any other time.
And lets take the issue at hand. You say that you have a revelation about the bible. So WHEN are you going to stop being mysterious and reveal in its entirity what the hell it really is? And when in the world are you going to substantiate this earth shattering news?!!!!
Lets disregard your smurf story, your travel story, your family story, your screenplay story, your name dropping, your fake Marine crap, your obscure forum crap, your insurance agent bullshit!
Lets concentrate on supposedly why you came here in the first place. We have tried to be nice. We have tried to be helpful. We have even tried to be informative, but you just can't get your shit together pvt Smuckatelly.
Heres how it goes.
1) You propose a theory.
2) You back up that theory with credible evidence.
Pretty simple.....KISS motherfucker KISS!!!! Keep It Simple Stupid!
Going off on unrelated tangants got you in this mess in the first place. The smurf story was unbelievable enough, BUT we gave you the benefit of the doubt. Then you went on to be coy and mysterious as if these intelligent people here couldn't HANDLE your wacked out theory. We asked for evidence and a complete theory, not some unsubstaintiated half baked crackpot idea. Then you started becoming condescending and rude. Then you started trying to gain some wild idea that you could get credibility by dropping names and using the CORPS. From tehn on you started inventing story after story. It was absurd, and IS absurd.
All anybody here wanted was for you to state your complete theory without excuses and provide evidence. That means answering questions HONESTLY. It doesn't mean that you can just say that you will answer questions and then just avoid them!
:popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Solitary"=D> That's just what he needed, a Colanthoscopy. :rollin: Solitary
And you all here are going to tell me that the URL provided doesn't work. It works for me.
We didn't say it doesn't work. We said it doesn't PROVE anything. Also it's just a distraction. It isn't about the issue of the thread.
So what you found a forum that YOU joined. Big deal, so what.
I don't think you actually know what PROOF is!
I never joined that forum. I've never been on that forum. Theres only 84 people that are on that forum and I'm not one of them, in 2009 or any other time.
And lets take the issue at hand. You say that you have a revelation about the bible. So WHEN are you going to stop being mysterious and reveal in its entirity what the hell it really is? And when in the world are you going to substantiate this earth shattering news?!!!!
Lets disregard your smurf story, your travel story, your family story, your screenplay story, your name dropping, your fake Marine crap, your obscure forum crap, your insurance agent bullshit!
Lets concentrate on supposedly why you came here in the first place. We have tried to be nice. We have tried to be helpful. We have even tried to be informative, but you just can't get your shit together pvt Smuckatelly.
Heres how it goes.
1) You propose a theory.
2) You back up that theory with credible evidence.
Pretty simple.....KISS motherfucker KISS!!!! Keep It Simple Stupid!
Going off on unrelated tangants got you in this mess in the first place. The smurf story was unbelievable enough, BUT we gave you the benefit of the doubt. Then you went on to be coy and mysterious as if these intelligent people here couldn't HANDLE your wacked out theory. We asked for evidence and a complete theory, not some unsubstaintiated half baked crackpot idea. Then you started becoming condescending and rude. Then you started trying to gain some wild idea that you could get credibility by dropping names and using the CORPS. From tehn on you started inventing story after story. It was absurd, and IS absurd.
All anybody here wanted was for you to state your complete theory without excuses and provide evidence. That means answering questions HONESTLY. It doesn't mean that you can just say that you will answer questions and then just avoid them!
It proves I'm a bonifide US Marine. I'm not avoiding questions. I won't answer any as long as they accept you for what you are and let you get in the way. What we do know---you all learned the difference between the animal mind and the human mind--you'll all say you always knew that, not so. That alone has accomplished a lot. You all know but without the fine points. From now on it will always be with you. Each will get to know them self, for what one is and is not. All will know the other--for what the other is and is not. It is self teaching and undeniable. You've been found a phoney and all here know it--Alpha Smurf says so and he knows. We cannot be fooled. The Psycho Smurfs/Seers are masters of the mind far better then any before. They don't know your names but they know each and all by what you post, how you post it, and by what words are used to express a thought. Each here know you.
You're pathetic.
Just thought you might like to know that.
I was in the Uintahs camping for a week and I come back and this thread is still here. Who cares if you are a
Marine? You've made assertions and not proved them and failed to respond to numerous posts in any coherent manner. All you've done is sidetracked issues and avoided them. Stop evading and answer the responses to your assertions.
I didn't see anything that proved you to be a real Marine. All I saw was a rather unprofessional forum. Anyone can get on that forum and make claims. Infact that forum isn't really a very good venue for discussion as it is in a format that is rather outdated and unusable.
your lastest post proves that you are completely insane. I mean what kind of psychobabble are you on about? Geesh you are all knowing and all seeing? Oh sure you are and I'm Napoleon!
Masters of the mind? My goodness you have fallen off the deep end.
"I'm not avoiding questions. I won't answer any as long as they accept you for what you are and let you get in the way. " That is just batshit crazy. You're not going to answer any questions because the forum accepts me for who I am. What should they do accept me for who I am not?
Lame excuse after lame excuse.
You seriously need a doctor and some strong meds. Maybe thats it, you're off your meds. I don't know which but you are seriously unhinged.
QuoteThat is just batshit crazy. You're not going to answer any questions because the forum accepts me for who I am. What should they do accept me for who I am not?
Completely irrelevant, anyways. You could be the Buddha reincarnate and it would be irrelevant to his obligation to answer questions after making fucking moronic claims.
I take the pathetic comment back; he is just a whiney little bitch.
Quote from: "stromboli"I was in the Uintahs camping for a week and I come back and this thread is still here. Who cares if you are a
Marine? You've made assertions and not proved them and failed to respond to numerous posts in any coherent manner. All you've done is sidetracked issues and avoided them. Stop evading and answer the responses to your assertions.
I'd be happy to attempt answering questions, but the phoney Marine has to get out of the way. Whether I'm a Marine or not seems to be important to him. I would like to (if possible) get onto a regular new forum and start over. Whats the sense if this belligerent fellow is going to show up and foul the deal with his acute negative mental disorder. If I need proof and credentials for every item for item statement I make--so I made a statement and supplied the best credentials I have and the wannabe attacked. And as long as he's going to keep doing so I find no sense in carrying on. As long as his phoney presence is acceptable --no go. If you can all accept is negative diatribe of -all proof is no proof why join him in attacking me. The best I can do at the moment is check back periodically to see if there are any questions. If you all accept his interference why blame me. OK- so you favor him over me--then you only buy into his false presentations and where does that leave me. I'm expected to remain online on a continuous basis to answer any question on moments notice. If I don't respond within a minute I'm ducking the question and the phoney Marine is given right of way to make decision as to being true or not. I make a post and then go offline to do other things, the come back a few hours later to see what's up, and run into a post that expected me to be online waiting for the post to be made. There is, it seems, no allowance for me to make a mistake. I am going to make mistakes--it's been 20 years since dealing with this subject such as--- Christianity is the oldest religion---- I'm wrong. The one that posted to that statement is correct, religion was before Adam. Why was this mistake made. Because 20 years ago that was an observation made and let stand as is. But right off (if I recall correctly) the poster attacked as though I was stupid and uninformed. ( don't think that was exactly it but in that line) Being so busy with keeping up with all the posts I didn't get back to it. But. as it looks- if I had I would have been called a hypocrite. So be it for now. :)
QuoteI'd be happy to attempt answering questions, but the phoney Marine has to get out of the way.
Ignore him then. I thought Marines were suppose to be tough guys, so why do you act like a little 10 year old cry baby pussy? What a disgrace; at least you weren't really a Marine, otherwise you would be completely disgrace to them.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"I was in the Uintahs camping for a week and I come back and this thread is still here. Who cares if you are a
Marine? You've made assertions and not proved them and failed to respond to numerous posts in any coherent manner. All you've done is sidetracked issues and avoided them. Stop evading and answer the responses to your assertions.
I'd be happy to attempt answering questions, but the phoney Marine has to get out of the way. Whether I'm a Marine or not seems to be important to him. I would like to (if possible) get onto a regular new forum and start over. Whats the sense if this belligerent fellow is going to show up and foul the deal with his acute negative mental disorder. If I need proof and credentials for every item for item statement I make--so I made a statement and supplied the best credentials I have and the wannabe attacked. And as long as he's going to keep doing so I find no sense in carrying on. As long as his phoney presence is acceptable --no go. If you can all accept is negative diatribe of -all proof is no proof why join him in attacking me. The best I can do at the moment is check back periodically to see if there are any questions. If you all accept his interference why blame me. OK- so you favor him over me--then you only buy into his false presentations and where does that leave me. I'm expected to remain online on a continuous basis to answer any question on moments notice. If I don't respond within a minute I'm ducking the question and the phoney Marine is given right of way to make decision as to being true or not. I make a post and then go offline to do other things, the come back a few hours later to see what's up, and run into a post that expected me to be online waiting for the post to be made. There is, it seems, no allowance for me to make a mistake. I am going to make mistakes--it's been 20 years since dealing with this subject such as--- Christianity is the oldest religion---- I'm wrong. The one that posted to that statement is correct, religion was before Adam. Why was this mistake made. Because 20 years ago that was an observation made and let stand as is. But right off (if I recall correctly) the poster attacked as though I was stupid and uninformed. ( don't think that was exactly it but in that line) Being so busy with keeping up with all the posts I didn't get back to it. But. as it looks- if I had I would have been called a hypocrite. So be it for now. :)
Oh HORSESHIT! Anybody that post that christianity is the oldest religion didn't just make a mistake. They are uneducated and just plain stupid. Adam isn't the start of christianity or even the start of religion. That again isn't just a mistake, it's flat out stupidity. And your projection on me is about as psychotic as can be. You basically repeat everything I say about you, with one exception. I PROVE that you are a fraud and you haven't proven ANYTHING, about ME, about your THEORY.....NOTHING!
You're a whinny little punk!
I have a feeling this thread is just about to get alot better....really.....er.......
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And you are still dodging all the responses to your OP and not responding. All you've done is a lot of long winded window dressing to avoid defending the topics you yourself brought here.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Old Seer"Are you saying the Euros got it right? If they got it right they had no need for the book. They would have had to have been Christians before JC arrived. At no time were the Euros Christainans, and aren't genetically related to Adam. The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners. So- the Euros have the wrong interpretation. It's an Eastern writing not European. :)
What book are we talking about?
The one known as the bible. :)
The bible as a whole did not exist as such prior to the 3rd century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_translations)
QuoteThe Talmud ascribes the translation effort to Ptolemy II Philadelphus (r. 285-246 BC) who is said to have hired 72 Jewish scholars for the purpose, for which reason the translation is commonly known as the Septuagint, a name which it gained around AD 354-430, "the time of Augustine of Hippo".[3] The Septuagint (LXX) was the very first translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, and later became the accepted text of the Old Testament in the church and the basis of its canon. The Latin Vulgate by Jerome was based upon the Hebrew for those books of the Bible preserved in the Jewish canon (as reflected in the masoretic text), and on the Greek text for the
Translated 285-246 BCE but not accepted as canon until 6 centuries later, the Old Testament. The Septuagint was a translation into Greek- the first so- called "European" version.
The books of the New Testament are variously dated from 48 ACE to 100 ACE. The problem is the oldest fragment known of any writing is dated to 200 ACE. So any dating is done by attribution, not by possession of written text. The Septuagint was a "European" book. So were the New Testament, since they were written in Greek, not translated from Aramiac or Hebrew.
There is no indication that the Bible per se is an "Eastern" writing. The Bible and Christianity were introduced to Europe by the Romans after Justinian, period. they were not Christians prior to that and had no knowledge of Christianity.
Quote from: "stromboli"And you are still dodging all the responses to your OP and not responding. All you've done is a lot of long winded window dressing to avoid defending the topics you yourself brought here.
The object is not to dodge anything. I would gladly carry on, but as long as you here allow the the interference of, and disruption by, a certain party I will not proceed. I said it before and say now, again.
I am done posting until this matter is resolved. Don't give me the ---run off with with tail between legs routine---not the case. I'll be checking back from time to time.
QuoteThe descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners. So- the Euros have the wrong interpretation. It's an Eastern writing not European. :)
"Adam" of the Bible did not exist. Y Chromosome Adam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam)
QuoteA paper published in March 2013 discovered a rare and previously unknown lineage and determined that, with 95% confidence and provided there are no systematic errors in the study's analysis, Y-chromosomal Adam lived between 237,000 and 581,000 years ago.[2] Studies before this discovery estimated the date for Y-MRCA as between 60,000[3] and 142,000 years ago.[4]
Please show your evidence to prove your Adam existed at all. Our ancestry- Homo sapiens- originates in Africa, not the Middle East.
Mitochondrial Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve)
QuoteMitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived approximately 200,000 years ago,[3] most likely in East Africa,[4] when Homo sapiens sapiens (anatomically modern humans) were developing as a population distinct from other human sub-species.
Please show evidence of Adam's rib being made into Eve.
QuoteThere's no word in the Hebrew language as "God". It will require patience.
Wrong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism)
QuoteThe name of God in Judaism used most often in the Hebrew Bible is the four-letter name ???? (YHWH), also known as the Tetragrammaton. El (god), Elohim (god, plural form), El Shaddai (god almighty), Adonai (master), Elyon (highest) and Avinu (our father) are regarded by many religious Jews not as names, but as epithets highlighting different aspects of YHWH and the various 'roles' of God. Other Jewish sources believe that the use of various names of God in the Hebrew Bible, and the fact that Elohim is a plural word, suggests a polytheistic origin.[1]
However, in the Kaballah- Jewish mysticism- YHWH is referred to as the "unpronounceable name of God" based on the belief that God was so remote he could not be comprehended by humans. He was referred to by several attributes, rather than by any personal name.
Are you a Kabalist then?
QuoteGod wears hats with different labels, authority is one of them. Authority is power/force, God. Or. I can be God, or you can. If you want to be God then I can be a counter force, this is where wars come from.
Be careful, you may end up eating a hat. :)
Again, this sounds like the Kaballah. Built your Golem yet?
QuoteThe book is about the Human verses the animal mind. It is a book of psychiatry. Someone understood the mind/being far greater then any today, except the Smurfs who learned from them. At any given moment one is "being" animal, or human, there is no other being/way possible. These are 2 states of mind, none other is possible except neutral. One of these is Christianity, one is not. Christianity is nothing more then being a proper human toward others, known as "social values". Christianity is a person minus the animal values. The Euros had no understanding of these concepts, and likewise, people today. If you want to live in peace you must cage the animal, and it is the animal mind that runs the world. This is what the book is about. Civilizations operates on the animal mind and this the problem. No one can assume a position above another without it originating from the animal mind. Our Psycho Smurfs know this perfectly.
We have to tell you--because we know. We encountered this from the book, it is correct. The Euro version is the problem. :)
Referred to in the bible as the "natural man" which is a fallen state, not living in the knowledge of JC.
News flash- Christianity is a European religion from the beginning. It succeeded because Justinian gave it the green light, and for no other reason.
Most of Europe after about 700 ACE was under the sway of the RNC. Christianity was literally the only choice in most countries. Later, with the Reformation from Martin Luther, still Christian. We refer to this period as the "Dark Ages" in case you haven't heard of it. Christianity is rightly referred to as the Opium of the masses- as Napoleon put it, religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
I'm sorry, but any claims you make of enlightenment from Christianity or any interpretation, Smurfdom or otherwise, is highly flawed. Religion is the halter that holds people down, not the ladder that lets them rise up.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"And you are still dodging all the responses to your OP and not responding. All you've done is a lot of long winded window dressing to avoid defending the topics you yourself brought here.
The object is not to dodge anything. I would gladly carry on, but as long as you here allow the the interference of, and disruption by, a certain party I will not proceed. I said it before and say now, again.
I am done posting until this matter is resolved. Don't give me the ---run off with with tail between legs routine---not the case. I'll be checking back from time to time.
You think cowardly tactic will work? Not gonna happen internet Marine.
Your mission if you choose to accept it:
Join an atheist forum. Pose as an expert on theology. Refer to a ficticious group of experts. Be mysterious and don't offer any insights, just SAY that you have a revelation and then back off and hide. When pressed and questioned just say things like "all will be revealed in due time." Make up some wild shit about yourself like that you are a Marine. Like you have written a fantastic screen play that is just too good to actually make a movie out of. Drop some famous names. Become condescending and refer to the people asking you questions as mere animals. Get angry and say shit others that only YOU know will get you and shit like that. Pretend that you won't answer any questions unless the one that has exposed you as the fraud you are is eliminated/sanctioned/killed.
Well you almost accomplished your mission. Don't think anyone, least of all the moderators are going to do what you request/demand.
So heres your options.
1) You can leave
2) You can pout like the pussy you are and keep playing games. Oh BTW YOU'RE MY BITCH!
3) OR you can grow up and just answer the questions like a HUMAN BEING!
My guess is that you'll continue to be my bitch and keep whinning like the pussy you are!
Hey guys and girls, I found a translation of Luke 6 in Smurf language. Maybe now we will understand what Old Seer is trying to say.
Luke 6:
20 Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are smurfily you who the smurf are smurfily poor, for yours is smurfily the kingdom of God. Smurfilicious!
21 Blessed are smurfily you who the smurf hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Smurfy, isn't it? Blessed are smurfily you who the smurf weep now, for you will laugh.
22 Blessed are smurfily you when smurfs hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Smurfy, isn't it?
23 Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because smurfy is smurfily your reward in heaven. Smurfy, isn't it? For that is smurfily how their fathers treated the prophets. Smurfilicious!
24 But woe to you who the smurf are smurfily rich, for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who the smurf are smurfily well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who the smurf laugh now, for you will mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when all smurfs speak well of you, for that is smurfily how their fathers treated the false prophets.
Papa Smurf hailed the move as "...a great leap forward in the evangelism of all Smurfkind. History will mark this day as a great milestone."
Brainy Smurf, however, criticized some of the Greek translation as misunderstanding Smurf verb tenses.
Purpose Driven Smurf, smiling to reporters at a press conference, responded, "This translation stresses formal equivalence too strongly. I will continue to use The Message paraphrase, although I respect the viewpoints of other Smurfs who will make use of Wycliffe's efforts."
KJV Onlyist Smurf could not be reached for comment.
And Old Seer Smurf is on a mission at the atheist forum where he is suppose to be converting, but instead let his animal side take over and became a Marine battling another Marine in a pissing contest instead of doing his duty for the Smurfs. This should be brought up at the next meeting. Signed: I am God Smurf. :shock: :roll: Semper Fi! Solitary
Quote from: "mykcob4"Your mission if you choose to accept it:
Make up some wild shit about yourself like that you are a Marine. Like you have written a fantastic screen play that is just too good to actually make a movie out of. Drop some famous names. Become condescending and refer to the people asking you questions as mere animals.
He kinda reminds me of that catholic guy we had in that reckoned he had written "THE GREATEST BOOK EVER!". And he was sure that it would definitely get made into a movie.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "mykcob4"Your mission if you choose to accept it:
Make up some wild shit about yourself like that you are a Marine. Like you have written a fantastic screen play that is just too good to actually make a movie out of. Drop some famous names. Become condescending and refer to the people asking you questions as mere animals.
He kinda reminds me of that catholic guy we had in that reckoned he had written "THE GREATEST BOOK EVER!". And he was sure that it would definitely get made into a movie.
Oh man that was awesome. What was that guy called again? I remember he went onto loads of forums and basically posted the same shit over and over.
Shit that guy was a total nut job, but hilarious as fuck.
Did this thread actually just get --- worse?
jesus :shock:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did this thread actually just get --- worse?
jesus :shock:
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"And you are still dodging all the responses to your OP and not responding. All you've done is a lot of long winded window dressing to avoid defending the topics you yourself brought here.
The object is not to dodge anything. I would gladly carry on, but as long as you here allow the the interference of, and disruption by, a certain party I will not proceed. I said it before and say now, again.
I am done posting until this matter is resolved. Don't give me the ---run off with with tail between legs routine---not the case. I'll be checking back from time to time.
There is a function on your control panel that allows you to place particular posters on Ignore, after which you will no longer see the content of their posts unless someone quotes them. A poster who doesn't violate forum rules can post as they choose.
Quote from: "Fidel_Castronaut"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Did this thread actually just get --- worse?
jesus :shock:
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Best. Meme. Ever.
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"A poster who doesn't violate forum rules can post as they choose.
And one of the forum's rules (a rule on any forum, actually) that Old Seer may not be aware of is:
Don't piss off the mods.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Here's what has to happen.
But first off- Stromboli has some excellent posts I'd like to respond to. Sabrina wanted a serious discussion on one thing or another at one time and that went sour because I wasn't Johnny on the spot available. I'm making a simple statement at this point, not attempting or wishing to kick anyone's guts out. I forget who, but there was another a while back seemingly interested also. 95% are fouling it up for the 5%. We can't get there like this floks, it's not going to work.
OK- for Stromboli- I understand the posts. But (no attack intended) this is going to be confusing for you maybe. The info you posted may be true and I'll take your word for it, but, we know all that, or, at least within the confines of our group someone does. We're not dealing with Jewish/Hebrew history any more, and in most things within our interpretation it doesn't apply. Does that confuse you, if so--I'd like to clarify. But we can,t get there with a multitude of negative inputs can we.
What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
That's asking for my own thread--true--but what sense does it make if it all ends up as is.
OK :)
It sounds like what you want is a formal debate. The mods can arrange that.
Start a thread in the formal debate section outlining your thesis and challenging an opponent. Otherwise:
Quote from: "Old Seer"What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Here's what has to happen.
But first off- Stromboli has some excellent posts I'd like to respond to. Sabrina wanted a serious discussion on one thing or another at one time and that went sour because I wasn't Johnny on the spot available. I'm making a simple statement at this point, not attempting or wishing to kick anyone's guts out. I forget who, but there was another a while back seemingly interested also. 95% are fouling it up for the 5%. We can't get there like this floks, it's not going to work.
OK- for Stromboli- I understand the posts. But (no attack intended) this is going to be confusing for you maybe. The info you posted may be true and I'll take your word for it, but, we know all that, or, at least within the confines of our group someone does. We're not dealing with Jewish/Hebrew history any more, and in most things within our interpretation it doesn't apply. Does that confuse you, if so--I'd like to clarify. But we can,t get there with a multitude of negative inputs can we.
What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
That's asking for my own thread--true--but what sense does it make if it all ends up as is.
OK :)
Three - 3 times I've been patient and kind and asked you completely responsible, reliable and valid questions. Three.
Did you answer me OR did you pout and go off on your own tangent of claiming foul of members here?
You've had Every opportunity to engage in adult conversation. Why did I go sour? Because each time I offered you patient discourse and asked perfectly legitimate questions - you blew me off. I gave you chance after chance to prove yourself ANYthing but a troll. I even explained things to you over and over and over - WITH kindness. Don't believe me? Read through this thread - my posts and your responses AGAIN and you'll see how ridiculous you were to my olive branches and attempts to discuss with you rationally. but no.
I didn't kiss your ass so you're nothing but Butthurt over HOW fucking important you think you are. You seriously need to get over yourself. Are you Usually the center of the universe? Why would you need the bible for that pray-tell?
jesus!!!!!!!
You can go fuck yourself.
No serious thread ANYWHERE will do you ONE bit of good because You are like all the OTHER THEIST who come here selling the bible then crying and whining when we don't lap it up.
Get. lost. troll.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Here's what has to happen.
But first off- Stromboli has some excellent posts I'd like to respond to. Sabrina wanted a serious discussion on one thing or another at one time and that went sour because I wasn't Johnny on the spot available. I'm making a simple statement at this point, not attempting or wishing to kick anyone's guts out. I forget who, but there was another a while back seemingly interested also. 95% are fouling it up for the 5%. We can't get there like this floks, it's not going to work.
OK- for Stromboli- I understand the posts. But (no attack intended) this is going to be confusing for you maybe. The info you posted may be true and I'll take your word for it, but, we know all that, or, at least within the confines of our group someone does. We're not dealing with Jewish/Hebrew history any more, and in most things within our interpretation it doesn't apply. Does that confuse you, if so--I'd like to clarify. But we can,t get there with a multitude of negative inputs can we.
What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
That's asking for my own thread--true--but what sense does it make if it all ends up as is.
OK :)
Hey goofball the fact is that you can't handle the truth, nor can you handle ligit questions. You act as if noone gave you a chance and the opposite is true. We gave you ample time. We gave you ample space. You just never ever came through. YOU FAILED. If you think that this thread went sour, then take a look in the mirror.
You want a onesided conversation. You don't want questions or a debate. You wouldn't know intelligence if it slapped you in the face.
I and others outlined what you needed to do, but you ran away like a bitch. Since then you have been whinning like a little bitch.
"Because I said so" doesn't work here. The bullshit "all will be revealed" crap isn't going to cut it either. Either you step up to the plate or you leave. Your whinning is becoming tiresome! BIATCH!!!!
QuoteHere's what has to happen.
But first off- Stromboli has some excellent posts I'd like to respond to. Sabrina wanted a serious discussion on one thing or another at one time and that went sour because I wasn't Johnny on the spot available. I'm making a simple statement at this point, not attempting or wishing to kick anyone's guts out. I forget who, but there was another a while back seemingly interested also. 95% are fouling it up for the 5%. We can't get there like this floks, it's not going to work.
OK- for Stromboli- I understand the posts. But (no attack intended) this is going to be confusing for you maybe. The info you posted may be true and I'll take your word for it, but, we know all that, or, at least within the confines of our group someone does. We're not dealing with Jewish/Hebrew history any more, and in most things within our interpretation it doesn't apply. Does that confuse you, if so--I'd like to clarify. But we can,t get there with a multitude of negative inputs can we.
What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
That's asking for my own thread--true--but what sense does it make if it all ends up as is.
Huh?
Again: Well Jar Head Ed, now that I now you were a Marine would you be so kind to answer my last question, or anyone else's? You may be the biggest phony I have seen on any forum and that's saying a lot. It's been fun, but I'm really bored with your constant refusal to answer any questions. :P Solitary
You managed to piss off Sabrina. There should be a forum achievement for that, because AFAIK that's impossible.
Quote from: "stromboli"QuoteHere's what has to happen.
But first off- Stromboli has some excellent posts I'd like to respond to. Sabrina wanted a serious discussion on one thing or another at one time and that went sour because I wasn't Johnny on the spot available. I'm making a simple statement at this point, not attempting or wishing to kick anyone's guts out. I forget who, but there was another a while back seemingly interested also. 95% are fouling it up for the 5%. We can't get there like this floks, it's not going to work.
OK- for Stromboli- I understand the posts. But (no attack intended) this is going to be confusing for you maybe. The info you posted may be true and I'll take your word for it, but, we know all that, or, at least within the confines of our group someone does. We're not dealing with Jewish/Hebrew history any more, and in most things within our interpretation it doesn't apply. Does that confuse you, if so--I'd like to clarify. But we can,t get there with a multitude of negative inputs can we.
What has to happen--- As previous, I would like to start a new thread on a regular forum. The thread would be locked and only interested parties admitted. The thread would still be able to be seen by outside parties. Any one wanting to post would have to request permission to enter. When admitted they can ask a question to post their idea(s)/comments and questions. If it's just to disrupt or cause grief---out, gone. And the posts would have to be minus Snidley Whiplash. A poster can do so, but I'll just inform that the snide part is unnecessary, and move on. About the third time ---out. As can be seen this thread is so over-run with snide and intentionally hurt posts what's important and of interest cannot be gotten to.
That's asking for my own thread--true--but what sense does it make if it all ends up as is.
Huh?
Yeah, thats right. We've been dealing with this asshole's immaturity for nearly 10 days or more. He's a fraud that has been exposed. He's a troll that has been ferreted out.
He is absolutely afraid of me because I called him on his shit and the curtain came down.
Witch Sabrina is as you know probably the most accomidating person on the forum, gave him every opportunity to present his case. He just started rambling on with lame excuses. Now his excuse is that he won't answer any questions unless the forum bands
me!Why do you think that is? I took the time to read every single post on this thread, and yeah I have been rough on him, but not to the point that if he had just been honest he wouldn't be in the mess he is in now.
He's not a Marine. He claims he is, but he only has association, not real proof. He failed a simple test I gave him that every Marine could pass off the top of their head. He's not the intellect that he pretends. I doubt if he really even past high school. He doesn't belong to any REAL organization (smurfs) or at least can't and won't provide any evidence to that point. His timelines are screwed up both in his theory and in the wild stories that constantly fabricates.
He continually comes up with the lamest excuses for the simplest of things. He actually tried to tell us that his smurf organization communicated and was held together by his insurance agent that apparently passed information via his rounds, AND that this agent had to travel about a dozen states that don't corrolate to any logical sales territory. He claimed that he was in the USMC from 58-61 and that he was 70. Doing the math means that he had to join when he was 15 or 16 in a time when this nation was not in a hot war, in a time when the USMC required a HS diploma. In a time where the USMC would let you join at 17 with a parental consent waiver and a HS diploma.
He is a liar and a fraud, and NOW he is making demands. He doesn't want to discuss anything on an even ground. He wants a one sided conversation. He doesn't want to explain his theory or himself. He wants us all just to accept his bullshit and revere him for it.
Quote from: "Jason78"You managed to piss off Sabrina. There should be a forum achievement for that, because AFAIK that's impossible.
Thanks Jason. But yes, sometimes I do totally get pissed off.
I think it was him calling OUR forum members liars that took me to the brink. Then to issue directives as though we all orbit HIS needs just knocked me off the edge.
pityssake......... what a lameass.
:wtf:
[youtube:4vaf3ssg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9YU8D2k5I[/youtube:4vaf3ssg] :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV9YU8D2k5I) :roll: Solitary
What a complete piece of crap. Marines don't have to go around and say "we're killing machines"! That is utter crap It's like Barney Fife pretending that he knows Karate. It would be commical if it were not so sad!
I would love to get Old Seer in front of a camera!
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Let me be helpful.
Why isn't anyone asking any questions, such as, explain your idea/understanding of Adam. Stromboli posted the present idea of Adam, and we understand that one, but, it's not ours. Ok, so you might think, what other idea/concept can there be of Adam. Then I would explain. But, if you check my other posts you'll find that we do not expect anyone to accept or believe it, and, the object is for others to know ours compared to the existing. That's the objective. I also expressed I/We are not here to offend. I also explained when I say we're right, we're right for us, but our right may not be for others. Our right mostly means we understand an item to be right within the context of our interpretation. The other "right" of course is --we say our interpretation is the right one. But we don't expect another to believe that. The person has to decide it for them self. We don't make right and wrong for others. It's very simple. We're no offended if found wrong, that how all others learn also. We're no different.
QuoteWhy isn't anyone asking any questions, such as, explain your idea/understanding of Adam.
Because we did, but you couldn't properly answer them, so we just started to fuck around with you instead. The first few pages of the tread are full of questions that are either dodged, receive vague answers or are simply ignored.
And instead of going back and answering them properly, you instead decide to spend all your time here to bicker with mykob instead of trying to do something productive, while constantly whining that we don't allow you to be constructive.
We're still waiting on answers from pages back. Feel free to go back and come up with actual answers and explanations. Hell, one of the first questions asked was "explain yourself" and you haven't even done that.
Quote from: "Old Seer"The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners.
from page two of your nonsense....
You fail at: Christianity is the oldest religion.
You fail at: The line starts at Adam
You want us to ask you pre-scripted questions so you can click them off your pre-written scrib sheet?
Fail.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Let me be helpful.
Why isn't anyone asking any questions, such as, explain your idea/understanding of Adam. Stromboli posted the present idea of Adam, and we understand that one, but, it's not ours. Ok, so you might think, what other idea/concept can there be of Adam. Then I would explain. But, if you check my other posts you'll find that we do not expect anyone to accept or believe it, and, the object is for others to know ours compared to the existing. That's the objective. I also expressed I/We are not here to offend. I also explained when I say we're right, we're right for us, but our right may not be for others. Our right mostly means we understand an item to be right within the context of our interpretation. The other "right" of course is --we say our interpretation is the right one. But we don't expect another to believe that. The person has to decide it for them self. We don't make right and wrong for others. It's very simple. We're no offended if found wrong, that how all others learn also. We're no different.
QuoteWhy isn't anyone asking any questions
Oh believe me you are different. you are a pathological liar, and a pathetic jerk to say that after so many hear have asked you questions that you refuse to answer to say that. You are a troll and don't come close to others I have seen on forums. Because if you were no one would keep posting to your dribble. But with you it is fun because you make us laugh at your phoniness and incoherent ideas about Scripture. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: But your ignorance doesn't make anyone mad, only your outlandish claims. =D> #-o Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Let me be helpful.
Why isn't anyone asking any questions, such as, explain your idea/understanding of Adam. Stromboli posted the present idea of Adam, and we understand that one, but, it's not ours. Ok, so you might think, what other idea/concept can there be of Adam. Then I would explain. But, if you check my other posts you'll find that we do not expect anyone to accept or believe it, and, the object is for others to know ours compared to the existing. That's the objective. I also expressed I/We are not here to offend. I also explained when I say we're right, we're right for us, but our right may not be for others. Our right mostly means we understand an item to be right within the context of our interpretation. The other "right" of course is --we say our interpretation is the right one. But we don't expect another to believe that. The person has to decide it for them self. We don't make right and wrong for others. It's very simple. We're no offended if found wrong, that how all others learn also. We're no different.
QuoteWhy isn't anyone asking any questions
Oh believe me you are different. you are a pathological liar, and a pathetic jerk to say that after so many hear have asked you questions that you refuse to answer to say that. You are a troll and don't come close to others I have seen on forums. Because if you were no one would keep posting to your dribble. But with you it is fun because you make us laugh at your phoniness and incoherent ideas about Scripture. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: But your ignorance doesn't make anyone mad hear, only your outlandish claims. =D> #-o Solitary
Ok, there are so many post here, mostly negative, so I wouldn't know where to go to find any of the claims. So would you post one and I'll answer it.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Let me be helpful.
Why isn't anyone asking any questions
I've been asking you questions!
The real question is: Why haven't you been answering them?
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"The descendants of Adam (according to our findings) are Middle Easterners.
from page two of your nonsense....
You fail at: Christianity is the oldest religion.
You fail at: The line starts at Adam
You want us to ask you pre-scripted questions so you can click them off your pre-written scrib sheet?
Fail.
Ok, very good.
I did fail at Christianity is the oldest religion. But, we migrated away form finishing our study because it went on long enough. ( posted that). We are/were aware of others with religious tendencies and it's an understood fact of prehistory found in ancient grave sites. It was a statement by one of the guys that I received in my usual drop off of info by the sales guy. He would come around about once a month.
Now I have to ask---what line starts at Adam. The lineage of the Hebrews starts at Adam, but however, we have a different understanding of Adam.
So, here goes. (now we're getting somewhere). It has been shown quite conclusively that all on the earth today originated from a migration of African Bushmen into all regions of the planet. We were aware that there were many other people on the planet before and at the time of Adam. The book starts with Adam as the ancestor of the the Arab peoples, not of all on the planet. The DNA done recently shows that to be true. We were puzzled as to who those peoples were that we understood to have been here at that time. The DNA evidence then gave us a better understanding of events. (I'm going to stop here and continue on another post. If I post to long something times out and I loose the post).
Quote from: "Old Seer"I did fail at Christianity is the oldest religion. But, we migrated away form finishing our study
Study? 10 year old kids know that Christianity isn't the oldest religion.
QuoteNow I have to ask---what line starts at Adam. The lineage of the Hebrews starts at Adam
Of course
science knows that the human species didn't have a single male ancestor, and neither did almost any single large group of people.
QuoteSo, here goes. (now we're getting somewhere). It has been shown quite conclusively that all on the earth today originated from a migration of African Bushmen into all regions of the planet. We were aware that there were many other people on the planet before and at the time of Adam.
Bush
MEN isn't one single male human being. However:
1) We don't all descend from San.
2) We aren't all descended from a single male ancestor.
3) Some groups may be descended from previous migrations from Africa.
and
4) "Adom", the Hebrew word you're misusing, refers to mankind, not to a single person.
You're presenting a religious viewpoint, not a real one.
QuoteThe book starts with Adam as the ancestor of the the Arab peoples, not of all on the planet. The DNA done recently shows that to be true.
False. DNA studies show that we're not all descended from a single male ancestor, neither are all Arabs (or any other large single group) descended from a single male ancestor.
QuoteWe were puzzled as to who those peoples were that we understood to have been here at that time.
You may well be, but scientists aren't.
Quote(I'm going to stop here and continue on another post. If I post to long something times out and I loose the post).
Just hit the Submit button again if that happens, and the post will submit.
Quote from: "Old Seer"(now we're getting somewhere)
No, no we're not. YOU may be getting somewhere but we're not. This is not a forum for frying chicken or speaking pig latin or a shen fu forum. Most of us here have spent many years studying religion, history and multiple science fields to find answers to the "greatest mystery". Now in you walk and ask us to set aside all of the research we have done while you set up some ridiculous scenario that can only be accepted if one abandons reason, common sense and science. You don't have an audience here, you have a laugh track. I suggest you go your own way, 30 odd pages of this crap is enough.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Old Seer,
Is a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes. The Smurfs originate from a sports/adventure club who collectively took up the study of a book referred to as "The Bible". We took on the likeness of Smurfs from the various field of life's endeavors we are in. We have found/encountered a new and different interpretation of the book and have taken on the undertaking to make that interpretation known to others/people.
For concept. We find:
The Atheist to be correct that there is no super human intelligent being existing that created the universe.
The Creationist to be wrong in asserting that there is, and that an intelligent being created the universe.
The Atheist is wrong. There "is" a God, but not as thought of in the usual terms, nor commonly understood. :)
Continuation of post from Aug 8 2013 3:24
I received a note from "the guys" to watch for a program coming to tho this area , so I did, and it was this one that covered the DNA findings. It has also been found since that we all have Genetics from the Neanderthals, and that they didn't die out but were absorbed into the migrants from Africa.
Now then--according to us, as we see it- The ones that settled in the Tigress Euphrates region are the one's that became Adam. This is where you may have a problem understanding. No, you're not stupid.
What is understood in the world is the "genetic Adam". (and here is where the book comes in). The book isn't about the genetic Adam. Adam in the book is a mental state or condition and deals with the mind. While there is a body/physical, the book isn't dealing with that. It deals with a mental makeup of those that settled in that region. In the book it is the "person type' that is Adam. The Hebrews and Arabs are genetic descendants of the physical, but today and so after the fall they do not think or are as the same mental condition/makeup/beliefs etc as Adam.
The African migrants that settled in the Tigress Euphrates region weren't physically different then others on the planet at that time--but they thought different and had different social values as the others. The difference in their understandings and mental makeup is what makes the biblical Adam, not the physical. The genetics is the same but the tribe (if you will) has different social values and minds. The brain is the same as everyone else's but how they perceive life is different, that is, they don't recognize each other as the physical, but rather the spiritual itself. The difference being, they don't recognize each other on the physical plain. Spiritual is recognized as "person".
Ok, that's how we see that. If others don't agree so be it.
Biblical creation is a depiction in symbolic terms of that state of mind put in ancient context. In creation there are "waters" that we interpret as mind, thought, cognitives etc . There are waters above and below the firmament equating to two different states of mind. Now then---when carried to other problems as in the Flood of Noah, creation terms can be applied there also and to the rest of the book which produces a different understanding of the book. The prime interpreter of the book then-id creation. It works for us.
Are there any other of my assertions that I made that anyone can post that I can explain. We don't expect to be believed or accepted. All we wish to do is make others aware of these insights,. This is right for us, but it's up to others to decide for them self. :)
QuoteThere are waters above and below the firmament equating to two different states of mind.
Really. I mean, really? This whole thing is simply smoking some dope and coming up with some whacked up version of what ignorant goat herders wrote two thousand years ago? I mean from all the of works of humanity you think the babble has the secret code? Why not the Veda's? They are older. Why the babble? Is it because it is the only book all you smurfs have of any type of religion and so dedicated your copious amounts of Columbian Gold to? Seriously dude, you're whacked, you smurfs got way too much time on your hands.
Hey lets stand on our head for an hour then read a cosmo and see what kind of crazy ass shit we can interpret.....
What a nut.
Heres the thing:
"Adam in the book is a mental state or condition and deals with the mind. While there is a body/physical, the book isn't dealing with that. It deals with a mental makeup of those that settled in that region."
Do you have any proof of this? Can you PROVE that the bible is dealing with a mental state?
That is the problem you have. You always make a great deal of statements but you don't support ANY of it with PROOF.
If we ask for proof, you just get mad and claim we are picking on you. Or you'll say that we aren't using are human mind but are thinking with our animal side.
Or you'll say that you need time to reveal things.
You have only spewed out a bunch of crap since you've been here and nothing more. Be clear, I am not even refering to being a Marine, or dropping famous names, or even writing some movie script. I specifically talking about your supposed theory.
Ok, there are so many post here, mostly negative, so I wouldn't know where to go to find any of the claims. So would you post one and I'll answer it
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There is absolutely no way you can prove any of this balderdash. It is beyond any reasoning and is just make it up as you go shit. You are either a level 10 troll or the densest twit we've ever had on here.
Quote from: "stromboli"There is absolutely no way you can prove any of this balderdash. It is beyond any reasoning and is just make it up as you go shit. You are either a level 10 troll or the densest twit we've ever had on here.
Level 10? Really? Come on strom, I thought you had class.
[youtube:3n3efp4i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY[/youtube:3n3efp4i] :-k I think we can all learn from her. Old seer can't change us, and we need to love him even if he is a megatroll. [-X 8-[ :popcorn: Solitary
Quote from: "stromboli"There is absolutely no way you can prove any of this balderdash. It is beyond any reasoning and is just make it up as you go shit. You are either a level 10 troll or the densest twit we've ever had on here.
It's not a matter of proof. it's a matter of acceptance. We're not trying to prove anything, we're merely forwarding our findings. It's for the receiver to accept or deny. It's an interpretation for the analysis of the receiver. We really don't care if it's believed. One has to make up there own mind. We know fairly well the physical histories of the planet. We're not into the physical histories, we're about understanding the "person" not the physical origin. But of course there are physical origins, the mind has to go where it directs the body to go. . The genetic Adam was long before the spiritual Adam of the book. The term Adam in genetics is borrowed from the book. The book doesn't deal with a physical Adam. Adam in the book is about the/or personage. The biblical Adam starts the mental/spiritual history of the Hebrews and Arab regions, as we understand it. The biblical Adam still had a body of course. History is about the results of people's or someone's thinking. And in turn, the Hebrew history is also about the results of their thinking. So it is the mind that is important. The Psycho Seers (if Smurf isn't acceptable) know that any psychologist or those in the psychiatric fields will recognize this almost immediately once they get it. It's the grapevine we're interested in. But this has to be thought about to get the real sense of what this is. :)
This whole thread and your entries amount to nothing but long winded gobbledygook. You have not posted anything that can be tested in any real way, nor is there any explanation at how you arrived at any of your "findings". Old Adam vs new, European vs Eastern, WTF? This is just semantic noise, which is why everyone here assumes you are a troll. And nothing you have submitted says otherwise.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"There is absolutely no way you can prove any of this balderdash. It is beyond any reasoning and is just make it up as you go shit. You are either a level 10 troll or the densest twit we've ever had on here.
It's not a matter of proof. it's a matter of acceptance. We're not trying to prove anything, we're merely forwarding our findings. It's for the receiver to accept or deny. It's an interpretation for the analysis of the receiver. We really don't care if it's believed. One has to make up there own mind. We know fairly well the physical histories of the planet. We're not into the physical histories, we're about understanding the "person" not the physical origin. But of course there are physical origins, the mind has to go where it directs the body to go. . The genetic Adam was long before the spiritual Adam of the book. The term Adam in genetics is borrowed from the book. The book doesn't deal with a physical Adam. Adam in the book is about the/or personage. The biblical Adam starts the mental/spiritual history of the Hebrews and Arab regions, as we understand it. The biblical Adam still had a body of course. History is about the results of people's or someone's thinking. And in turn, the Hebrew history is also about the results of their thinking. So it is the mind that is important. The Psycho Seers (if Smurf isn't acceptable) know that any psychologist or those in the psychiatric fields will recognize this almost immediately once they get it. It's the grapevine we're interested in. But this has to be thought about to get the real sense of what this is. :)
Your not trying PROVE anything? You just want people to accept this theory? What a fucking cop out! This crap that Psychologist get it is utter bullshit. All that a psychologist would get is that you are out of your everlovin' mind.
You haven't discovered a damned thing. There is nothing new here, just the same old religious crap repackaged. You know what the theist call acceptance without proof? They call it FAITH!
So you're selling faith and nothing more. The definition of faith is believing in something with NO evidence whatsoever!
Quote from: "stromboli"This whole thread and your entries amount to nothing but long winded gobbledygook. You have not posted anything that can be tested in any real way, nor is there any explanation at how you arrived at any of your "findings". Old Adam vs new, European vs Eastern, WTF? This is just semantic noise, which is why everyone here assumes you are a troll. And nothing you have submitted says otherwise.
I said from the start I have limited time here. I need to hit the rack early to hook up the trailer. I have transports awaiting and need to be under way in the morning. For any proofs all have to now wait for the one's you rely upon for making and dispensing good and evil, right and wrong. They being your religious leaders, high financiers, great industrial and business leaders, and your government. They will make the decisions for you as to we be right or wrong. It is not for us to say--it is they that you follow, and who's authority you accept. Or you can follow yourself and the truths you find to guide yourself with. There is more, but we leave it to the grapevine to get to you. Take care all, and be good. The prophets before time were called "Seers".
Quote--it is they that you follow, and who's authority you accept.
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Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"This whole thread and your entries amount to nothing but long winded gobbledygook. You have not posted anything that can be tested in any real way, nor is there any explanation at how you arrived at any of your "findings". Old Adam vs new, European vs Eastern, WTF? This is just semantic noise, which is why everyone here assumes you are a troll. And nothing you have submitted says otherwise.
I said from the start I have limited time here. I need to hit the rack early to hook up the trailer. I have transports awaiting and need to be under way in the morning. For any proofs all have to now wait for the one's you rely upon for making and dispensing good and evil, right and wrong. They being your religious leaders, high financiers, great industrial and business leaders, and your government. They will make the decisions for you as to we be right or wrong. It is not for us to say--it is they that you follow, and who's authority you accept. Or you can follow yourself and the truths you find to guide yourself with. There is more, but we leave it to the grapevine to get to you. Take care all, and be good. The prophets before time were called "Seers".
You've got limited time here? BULLSHIT for nearly 10+ days you have spent your whole life on this thread. I think all you have is this thread. You're a lying piece of crap.
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"There is absolutely no way you can prove any of this balderdash. It is beyond any reasoning and is just make it up as you go shit. You are either a level 10 troll or the densest twit we've ever had on here.
It's not a matter of proof. it's a matter of acceptance. We're not trying to prove anything, we're merely forwarding our findings. It's for the receiver to accept or deny. It's an interpretation for the analysis of the receiver. We really don't care if it's believed. One has to make up there own mind. We know fairly well the physical histories of the planet. We're not into the physical histories, we're about understanding the "person" not the physical origin. But of course there are physical origins, the mind has to go where it directs the body to go. . The genetic Adam was long before the spiritual Adam of the book. The term Adam in genetics is borrowed from the book. The book doesn't deal with a physical Adam. Adam in the book is about the/or personage. The biblical Adam starts the mental/spiritual history of the Hebrews and Arab regions, as we understand it. The biblical Adam still had a body of course. History is about the results of people's or someone's thinking. And in turn, the Hebrew history is also about the results of their thinking. So it is the mind that is important. The Psycho Seers (if Smurf isn't acceptable) know that any psychologist or those in the psychiatric fields will recognize this almost immediately once they get it. It's the grapevine we're interested in. But this has to be thought about to get the real sense of what this is. :)
And just like shamans, witch doctors, medicine men, priests, pastors, psychologists and psychiatrist etc. you have no reliable evidence to support your hypothesize nor can they be falsified, and are just your opinions. It may make you or others feel good, but I can do that with drugs. Psycho Seers is the correct term. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Old Seer"Quote from: "stromboli"This whole thread and your entries amount to nothing but long winded gobbledygook. You have not posted anything that can be tested in any real way, nor is there any explanation at how you arrived at any of your "findings". Old Adam vs new, European vs Eastern, WTF? This is just semantic noise, which is why everyone here assumes you are a troll. And nothing you have submitted says otherwise.
I said from the start I have limited time here. I need to hit the rack early to hook up the trailer. I have transports awaiting and need to be under way in the morning. For any proofs all have to now wait for the one's you rely upon for making and dispensing good and evil, right and wrong. They being your religious leaders, high financiers, great industrial and business leaders, and your government. They will make the decisions for you as to we be right or wrong. It is not for us to say--it is they that you follow, and who's authority you accept. Or you can follow yourself and the truths you find to guide yourself with. There is more, but we leave it to the grapevine to get to you. Take care all, and be good. The prophets before time were called "Seers".
WTF! I'm blinded. [-X
And they were all wrong accept for the obvious that any normal person could do also. :roll: Solitary
I am so glad that the moderators saw fit to take down the porno that was on this thred. Iminhell was wrong to post it. I noticed that he didn't limit his porno posting on just this thread, he has invaded the chatroom as well.
Quote from: "mykcob4"I am so glad that the moderators saw fit to take down the porno that was on this thred. Iminhell was wrong to post it. I noticed that he didn't limit his porno posting on just this thread, he has invaded the chatroom as well.
I sort of thought it fit this thread though. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Quote from: "mykcob4"I am so glad that the moderators saw fit to take down the porno that was on this thred. Iminhell was wrong to post it. I noticed that he didn't limit his porno posting on just this thread, he has invaded the chatroom as well.
I sort of thought it fit this thread though. :rollin: :rollin: :rollin: Solitary
HAHAHAHAHA don't make me laugh. I'm trying to work AND stay current on the forum. You blew me out of my chair....stop it, PLEASE stop it!!!!!!
Okay someone PLEASE explain to me how Old SEER keeps saying that he has limited time and just doesn't leave. Is he dying, waiting for the second coming (not that first ever happened), or is he doing his usual lying BS and just avoiding. I really don't get it. It's like when Jack Benny kept retiring from show business, and kept coming back. He had a one more time special a full three years after he died and they buried him.
Quote from: "Old Seer"It's not a matter of proof. it's a matter of acceptance. We're not trying to prove anything, we're merely forwarding our findings.
You've shown nothing acceptable yet.
Still waiting on those findings...
...Any time you're ready.
QuoteIt's not a matter of proof.
Then it doesn't matter.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteIt's not a matter of proof.
Then it doesn't matter.
There are three basic kinds of people:
(1)Evidence matters to me because I'm a clear, clean, rational thinker. I like things to make Sense. I'm part of the world. I study & investigate. Scholarship matters.
(2)Delusional Anything is welcomed because I'm all about purple unicorns. I like things convoluted & filled with invented wonder. I am special. Credentials & credibility do not matter to me.
(3)Do not give a rats ass.
Quote from: "mykcob4"Is he dying[?]
Let's hope so. :Hangman:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "Plu"QuoteIt's not a matter of proof.
Then it doesn't matter.
There are three basic kinds of people:
(1)Evidence matters to me because I'm a clear, clean, rational thinker. I like things to make Sense. I'm part of the world. I study & investigate. Scholarship matters.
(2)Delusional Anything is welcomed because I'm all about purple unicorns. I like things convoluted & filled with invented wonder. I am special. Credentials & credibility do not matter to me.
(3)Do not give a rats ass.
(4) Potatoes
Quote from: "Old Seer"I have limited time here.
*Mod*- Yeah, that just ran out...toodles, which in our world means, may the spaghetti sandwich rise to the cheese......or some shit like that- aitm
Quote from: "aitm"Quote from: "Old Seer"I have limited time here.
*Mod*- Yeah, that just ran out...toodles, which in our world means, may the spaghetti sandwich rise to the cheese......or some shit like that- aitm
=D>
Whut......... you didn't want to watch him whine more?
:rollin:
Yeah! I kind of miss him, like a does of clap. :shock: :lol: Who says don't feed the trolls? Give them enough feed and they explode. 8-) Solitary
We do love our
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now and then
:rollin:
I think Aitm puts up with me till I tell someone to 'fuck off' --- then it's time to pull the plug I guess.
My bad.
125 posts of pushing nonsense. Give this guy a medal.
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Quote from: "PickelledEggs"125 posts of pushing nonsense. Give this guy a medal.
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Agree & Disagree.
His posts = nonsense. Ours? DoubleBeefPattiedGoodness With cheeeeese!
From what I and others have put up with at other forums he is a lightweight. One of them was finally arrested after ten years by the Canadian Mounties for actually going to atheist meet ups and threatening them. He made the mistake of going to a police site and spouting his garbage and threats. He was a kid staying in his mother's basement. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "PickelledEggs"125 posts of pushing nonsense. Give this guy a medal.
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Agree & Disagree.
His posts = nonsense. Ours? DoubleBeefPattiedGoodness With cheeeeese!
Edit: I'm only assuming it's nonsense because-
1: Every time I click this thread someone is either disagreeing with him or he is disagreeing with you guys
2: I'm too lazy and tired to read an over 30 page thread
3: I only got about 4 hours of sleep last night.
4: Something about smurfs (smurfs is actually number 1, but I'm too tired to re order my list)
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "PickelledEggs"125 posts of pushing nonsense. Give this guy a medal.
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Agree & Disagree.
His posts = nonsense. Ours? DoubleBeefPattiedGoodness With cheeeeese!
Edit: I'm only assuming it's nonsense because-
1: Every time I click this thread someone is either disagreeing with him or he is disagreeing with you guys
2: I'm too lazy and tired to read an over 30 page thread
3: I only got about 4 hours of sleep last night.
4: Something about smurfs (smurfs is actually number 1, but I'm too tired to re order my list)
Whut? You can't take a Smurf seriously? Gee why not?
:rollin:
PS hope you get some sleep. I need some too.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Whut? You can't take a Smurf seriously? Gee why not?
:rollin:
PS hope you get some sleep. I need some too.
Ummm no. I cannot take someone who insists he is a smurf seriously. :lol:
QuoteIs a member of a contingent of individuals referring to themselves as "The Smurfs". Collectively we refer to ourselves as "Alpha Smurf". The group consists of 2 physicists (myself being one), 3 Psycho Smurfs, 1 Engineer Smurf, 1 Bio smurf, 2 Farmer Smurfs, 1 Doctor Smurf GP, 3 Electronic Smurfs (or hacker Smurfs), 1 Archeo Smurf, 30 individuals in all. There are no Smurfettes.
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And thanks. I will get some sleep.
The dude lasted like what, 12 days? 33 pages? I was gone for a week camping and came back, and figured him to be long gone. Is that a record? :shock:
Quote from: "stromboli"The dude lasted like what, 12 days? 33 pages? I was gone for a week camping and came back, and figured him to be long gone. Is that a record? :shock:
Nope - StupidDave (aka Noah's ark=Human mind) dude lasted even longer. But........ Dave *was* special. And I think MR held his own for quite awhile - right? Till the site crashed?
We should contact Guinness. I think we may have a new entry.
I don't think he's gone. I think he is trying to find a new story to tell. I think he only has this forum, and maybe only this thread in his pathetic life. It's fun for me because I work at home and my hours are 4pm till 2am usually and I can post longer than most.
He wants so bad to be thought of as an intellectual. I gave up on that idea in junior high. He wants friends. I guess that he sought comfort in a religious cult. It is hard when you're old and haven't accomplished a damned thing in life. When you haven't anything to show for it. You start out with promise and bam, life is almost over. I'm sure he wanted to be a Marine hero, a fireman, a pilot, superman, batman, and all those things that you draw on your spiral in 1st grade, but it never happened for him.
Now he's left with this silly Smurf idea. It's a crock of shit and he knows it. That's why he is so evasive(sp).
Hes waiting to spring a new one on us, rest assured. He's not gone yet. Get ready to gnaw on that chew toy some more!
Quote from: "Solitary"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY) :-k I think we can all learn from her. Old seer can't change us, and we need to love him even if he is a megatroll. [-X 8-[ :popcorn: Solitary
I noticed what that girl is doing is becoming a popular method of venting (complaining?) among younger people these days. But hey, at least kids are still reading and writing!!
Quote from: "frosty"Quote from: "Solitary"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YXINEYdnkY) :-k I think we can all learn from her. Old seer can't change us, and we need to love him even if he is a megatroll. [-X 8-[ :popcorn: Solitary
I noticed what that girl is doing is becoming a popular method of venting (complaining?) among younger people these days. But hey, at least kids are still reading and writing!!
Liked the video!!!