Well, he's got him two gen-u-ine miracles, so he must be a mutha fuckin saint! =D>
//http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/05/world/europe/vatican-pope-sainthood/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
:) Thanks for the info! Solitary
Finally pedophiles will also have their patron saint .
Pope John Paul a saint because some magic tricks ? Very funny .
QuoteSister Marie-Simon-Pierre, a nun whose order prayed to the pope after he died, said she was cured of the disease, an ailment that also afflicted John Paul.
The second miracle reportedly occurred in Costa Rica, where a woman said she recovered from a severe brain injury thanks to the intervention of John Paul, sources told CNN Vatican analyst John Allen.
Well what can I say, another dead catholic canonized for two more instances of medical quakery
QuotePatrick Kelly, executive director of the Blessed John Paul II Shrine in Washington, explained the church's process for investigating reported miracles.
"A team of doctors first examine the miracle. Secondly, the team of theologians look at the miracles, and then they discuss amongst themselves the legitimacy and all the facts surrounding the miracles," he said.
Theologians discussing the legitimacy of facts. Hilarious. What's next? Nigerians discussing the legitimacy of the email they send to everyone?
Quote from: "St Giordano Bruno"QuoteSister Marie-Simon-Pierre, a nun whose order prayed to the pope after he died, said she was cured of the disease, an ailment that also afflicted John Paul.
The second miracle reportedly occurred in Costa Rica, where a woman said she recovered from a severe brain injury thanks to the intervention of John Paul, sources told CNN Vatican analyst John Allen.
Well what can I say, another dead catholic canonized for two more instances of medical quakery
You can't be cured of Parkinson. I know it far too well.
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Well, he's got him two gen-u-ine miracles, so he must be a mutha fuckin saint! =D>
I love the two miracle rule.
First miracle: Eh, might be bullshit.
Second miracle: Well that settles it!
:rolleyes:
One of JPs "miracles" was that lots of altar boys suddenly had huge assholes under his reign.
In my eyes he should be the saint of birth control.
Well, we got saints for drunken sailors and prostitutes. Now we got one for pedophiles. Oh happy day.
Come to think of wound't that be a form of idolatry; that practice of praying to dead people as a substitute for their God to enact a miracle? Little wonder most Christian religions have given up that shit in the Middle Ages. We atheists just gave up on one more piece of shit, God
I heard a wonk on NPR mentions that the waiving of one miracle for John XXIII might be politically motivated.
Really? Ya think? These guys will go out of their way to discredit Tent Revival faith healing, but when one of their own political elites does it, it's a miracle. :roll:
I really don't get it. How can some popes perform miracles after they die and others can't? If he can cure one woman's Parkinson's then why can't he do it for everyone? Does it have to be a fatal illness that is cured to be considered a miracle or would curing something like a foot fungus count?
Quote from: "gussy"I really don't get it. How can some popes perform miracles after they die and others can't? If he can cure one woman's Parkinson's then why can't he do it for everyone? Does it have to be a fatal illness that is cured to be considered a miracle or would curing something like a foot fungus count?
It's all bullshit . The catholic church priests are experts in bullshit.
I see 2 things here:
1) Frankie wants to make more saints than any other pope.
2) They're making "sainthood" so ludicrous that 5 year olds will be seeing through the bullshit any day now.
Quote from: "Colanth"I see 2 things here:
1) Frankie wants to make more saints than any other pope.
Well, to be fair, the calls for pedopopsky's sainthood started right after his death and even before popenführer's elections. It was just a matter of time. Dandy Frankie is just putting the official seal on a de-facto situation.
Quote2) They're making "sainthood" so ludicrous that 5 year olds will be seeing through the bullshit any day now.
Isn't sainthood ludicrous in itself? Not to mention it's also a form of idolatry, which clearly clashes with one of christinsanity's basic tenets.
Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Isn't sainthood ludicrous in itself? Not to mention it's also a form of idolatry, which clearly clashes with one of christinsanity's basic tenets.
It's okay. It was cleared with the Virgin Mary herself. :P
I would say the RCC by it's very nature clashes with the core tenrts of Christianity.
Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Quote from: "Colanth"I see 2 things here:
1) Frankie wants to make more saints than any other pope.
Well, to be fair, the calls for pedopopsky's sainthood started right after his death and even before popenführer's elections. It was just a matter of time. Dandy Frankie is just putting the official seal on a de-facto situation.
So if the people acclaim a pope a saint, the hierarchy is just putting the official seal on a de-facto situation - but if the people acclaim birth control or divorce to be okay ... oops, you can't do things just because most of the laity wants it. I see a problem here.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I would say the RCC by it's very nature clashes with the core tenrts of Christianity.
I would say that Christianity itself does.
"Sainthood"
Yea, that is like being a member of a si fi club and being promoted president.
"This credulous moron loves Harry Potter so much he fucked a broom and had a baby"
Ok, so if I devote my entire life to ABBA, that means they are gods?
I'm praying to be cured of missing teeth and none of this bullshit VA false teeth bullshit I may or may never get, but brand fucking new 6 year old teeth to grow right the fuck where the old ones fell out.
Tell the pope soon as he dies I'll promise to brush and floss daily although frankly I shouldn't have to if GOD had done his fucking job the first time.. :evil:
Quote from: "Brian37"Ok, so if I devote my entire life to ABBA, that means they are gods?
It means you'll be the patron saint of crappy music! :)
Quote from: "Brian37""Sainthood"
Yea, that is like being a member of a si fi club and being promoted president.
More like being promoted to alien or "chief telepath". "President" actually means something. What's a saint? A corpse in a fancier casket?
Quote from: "caseagainstfaith"Well, he's got him two gen-u-ine miracles, so he must be a mutha fuckin saint! =D>
//http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/05/world/europe/vatican-pope-sainthood/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
How the miracle squad can seriously investigate and deliberate on nonsense is amazing on so many levels. Imagine sitting at a conference table and arriving at a conclusion that some bullshit or other is authentic, and with theatrical seriousness, too. Do they write down testimony collected at the scene of the miracle in little spiral notebooks? Do they close an area off with tape that says, "Keep Out. Miracle Investigation Area By Order of the Pope." Do they get a bonus for certifying a miracle?
Now, I have to admit that seeing a magician pull a rabbit out of a hat is pretty convincing to me, but the investigators would probably write that off as a hoax. How to they separate pure bullshit from real bullshit?
We are not talking about 4 year olds claiming to have seen ghosts. These are grown men being paid by the Vatican to respond to calls on the Miracle Hotline from people like Pedro's wife who runs a tourist trap in Tijuana and thinks she saw a face in her soup.
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "Brian37"Ok, so if I devote my entire life to ABBA, that means they are gods?
It means you'll be the patron saint of crappy music! :)
Laugh it up you you FUDDY DUDDY! Neeener Neeener Neener!
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"Quote from: "Brian37"Ok, so if I devote my entire life to ABBA, that means they are gods?
It means you'll be the patron saint of crappy music! :)
At least he'll have plenty to do.
I love that mere humans decide who attains sainthood.
a duh
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I love that mere humans decide who attains sainthood.
a duh
Have you been gone?
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I love that mere humans decide who attains sainthood.
a duh
Have you been gone?
I have. And I've missed you.
Sainthood: The most positive comfirmation that you are dead
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I'm praying to be cured of missing teeth and none of this bullshit VA false teeth bullshit I may or may never get, but brand fucking new 6 year old teeth to grow right the fuck where the old ones fell out.
Tell the pope soon as he dies I'll promise to brush and floss daily although frankly I shouldn't have to if GOD had done his fucking job the first time.. :evil:
Your teeth died for your sins. It's true. Worship them. I do mine.
Hey, so now we'll have a saint for pedophiles. Seems weirdly relevant, if you think about it. But don't.
I'm applying for sainthood. Last night I found a friends impossibly stashed weed and THEN found the little bag of gummy bears he lost in the same bushes AT NIGHT! It was nothing short of two, count em, TWO miracles in the span of like 20 minutes! :)
Saint Pothead! :flowers: :weed:
Quote from: "SGOS"How the miracle squad can seriously investigate and deliberate on nonsense is amazing on so many levels. Imagine sitting at a conference table and arriving at a conclusion that some bullshit or other is authentic, and with theatrical seriousness, too. Do they write down testimony collected at the scene of the miracle in little spiral notebooks? Do they close an area off with tape that says, "Keep Out. Miracle Investigation Area By Order of the Pope." Do they get a bonus for certifying a miracle?
Now, I have to admit that seeing a magician pull a rabbit out of a hat is pretty convincing to me, but the investigators would probably write that off as a hoax. How to they separate pure bullshit from real bullshit?
We are not talking about 4 year olds claiming to have seen ghosts. These are grown men being paid by the Vatican to respond to calls on the Miracle Hotline from people like Pedro's wife who runs a tourist trap in Tijuana and thinks she saw a face in her soup.
This started no later than 325 CE, so they've had a LOT of experience making it look sane.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I love that mere humans decide who attains sainthood.
a duh
Have you been gone?
I have. And I've missed you.
:flowers:
Quote from: "SGOS"I have. And I've missed you.
:flowers:[/quote]
Thanks!
Hey I think I'll apply for Sainthood (after I die and all, of course). Right? Shouldn't witches have a patron Saint, too?
QuoteI think I'll apply for Sainthood (after I die and all, of course). Right? Shouldn't witches have a patron Saint, too?
Well, I'm all for it, but considering you can only be sainted by the Catholic Church, I think it might be an uphill battle. The Church has had a personal feud with witches for centuries.
Quote from: "SGOS"QuoteI think I'll apply for Sainthood (after I die and all, of course). Right? Shouldn't witches have a patron Saint, too?
Well, I'm all for it, but considering you can only be sainted by the Catholic Church, I think it might be an uphill battle. The Church has had a personal feud with witches for centuries.
See. Now to me other groups should start handing out (awarding if you will) Sainthood. Who says the Catholic church has cornered the market on that? Hmmm? Oh - They said that? Right.
(you follow me?)
Yeah..........
people should stop fearing or fighting against church power and just TAKE that power back. Like appointing saints, demons, etc.
Witches already have a patron saint
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_of_Sens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_of_Sens)
Columba of Sens.
QuoteThe tale states that Comba converted to Christianity and was martyred for her faith after refusing to deny it, or after refusing the sexual advances of men. She became the patron saint of witches in Galicia, acting both as an intercessor on behalf of witches and as an intercessor against witches.
Quote from: "stromboli"Columba of Sens.
QuoteThe tale states that Comba converted to Christianity and was martyred for her faith after refusing to deny it, or after refusing the sexual advances of men. She became the patron saint of witches in Galicia, acting both as an intercessor on behalf of witches and as an intercessor against witches.
Sheesh! Talk about an inner conflict!
:rollin:
Fake witches don't count. Especially if they're appointed by the church for having denied their witch-ness.
Pssshaaaa
:pirate:
I too missed you Bri. I was panicky thinking you'd been burned at the stake by the Westboro bunch.. I am more than relieved. I actually relieved myself in your honor I missed you so much.
Sad commentary to learn I wet my pants to your return, huh? :shock:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Shouldn't witches have a patron Saint, too?
How about St. Glinda?
Glinda was an asshole. Who'd want her for a saint?
Despite being a comfirmed ?! atheist I going to try (more likely fail ) a defence of catholics, [-X your average catholic I have found is kind, honest ,never in your face religion nut usually working class/blue collar ,salt of the earth and any other saying which describes your average joe.
As a basis a way of life catholicism its one of the better freak shows but it has its faults ,well it has many now and in its past (dont mention the Spanish inquistion(English humour!) which we all know, blond haired Jesus ,pro life ,vatican paedophiles the vatican itself the list is well known.
Your average catholic I believe is looking for what Marx described as the opium of the people, something to believe in to give meaning and hope to their usually impoverished life, I know we can spend all day taking the rise but as a human and nothing else Pope John Paul II tried to improve and represent his followers,maybe Francis is trying to do the same if we are just going to make fun of catholics then we are doing atheism a dis-service.I dont agree with Gods Jesus,bibles,islam whatever but I do believe in finding a basis for all to live
Rant over and ready to be shot down
Quote from: "David"Despite being a comfirmed ?! atheist I going to try (more likely fail ) a defence of catholics, [-X your average catholic I have found is kind, honest ,never in your face religion nut usually working class/blue collar ,salt of the earth and any other saying which describes your average joe.
Same deal with every major religion. The people are generally quite agreeable (except for the loons), but the religion itself is contemptibly idiotic.
QuoteYour average catholic I believe is looking for what Marx described as the opium of the people, something to believe in to give meaning and hope to their usually impoverished life, I know we can spend all day taking the rise but as a human and nothing else Pope John Paul II tried to improve and represent his followers,maybe Francis is trying to do the same if we are just going to make fun of catholics then we are doing atheism a dis-service.
How does poking fun at the Catholic tendency to confer sainthood on people that we know full well were 100% human do a disservice to atheism? :-k
Come to think of it, giving this sort of crap a free pass is exactly the wrong thing to do.
QuoteI dont agree with Gods Jesus,bibles,islam whatever but I do believe in finding a basis for all to live
Relevance?
QuoteRant over and ready to be shot down
Well, if you insist...
How does poking fun at the Catholic tendency to confer sainthood on people that we know full well were 100% human do a disservice to atheism? :-k
Nice shooting,this whole thread is just taking the piss out of the Pope and his sainthood we know its not possible, couldnt atheists be a bit move constructive in discussing and pointing that out,if we are here just to take the piss perhaps atheism is just as shallow as catholicism.I always hoped atheism is based a bit more in the real world... :shock:
Quote from: "David"couldnt atheists be a bit move constructive in discussing and pointing that out,if we are here just to take the piss perhaps atheism is just as shallow as catholicism.I always hoped atheism is based a bit more in the real world... :shock:
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Seems Im wrong,back to the mockery of every religion everyone,
Quote from: "David"perhaps atheism is just as shallow as catholicism.I always hoped atheism is based a bit more in the real world... :shock:
Atheism isn't shallow, it's not deep and all it's based on is lack of belief in any gods. If you don't believe in any gods you're an atheist. You can be an idiot, a nasty SOB, an antisocial murderer, but if you don't believe in any gods you're still an atheist.
Meh, if the RCC can tell Africans its okay to get AIDS and have 10 more kids than you can afford because, "At least you aren't using a condom, which god hates!", promotes anti-homosexual mindsets that lead to gays being tortured and killed... then I think its more than perfectly fine for us to take the piss on a guy who let sexual abuse run rampant under his reign being deemed a "saint".
That's just me, though.
And Catholics have been regular Joes from my experience as well; hypocritical to hell about their religion, but no better or worse than anyone else. Doesn't mean I cant laugh at the silly things they do.
Quotecouldnt atheists be a bit move constructive in discussing and pointing that out,
Anyone dumb enough to fall for the sainthood farce is not going to change their mind because of anything said here.
Quote from: "David"Seems Im wrong,back to the mockery of every religion everyone,
Welcome. I see you haven't become properly bitter yet...that will change.