Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
jesus is king.
I am emperor.
Kneel before me, son of yahweh!
(//http://www.zod2008.com/img/kneel.jpg)
If it pains you to say it, you don't actually love us.
If the only reason you say you love us, even though you really don't, is because jesus does it, you're not a very good person either. You are, at best, a meek little sheep.
But welcome regardless. Since I don't have to keep up appearances to fool some omnipotent being (how silly is that idea, anyway) I can just honestly say: I don't know you, and I don't care about you, but if you make good posts and know the concepts of reason and logic, I'll probably grow to like you.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part
Quite a shock, wasn't it?
Quoteand as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all.
Salespitch love is best love. :heart:
QuoteOnly true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Just look at what we're missing out on:
[youtube:3o7mgcmp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNL-V3KfH8[/youtube:3o7mgcmp]
I am so jealous.
I'll give you one chance to prove you aren't a proselytizing troll.
Starting now.
Make a second post to prove you shouldn't be banned immediately.
Let's hope you make it before some other, less patient moderators ban you before you can do so.
I love you too, but because as a living being you deserve my affection, regardless of if someone tells me to or not.
I'm not trying to one up you, but love people because you love people, not because your expected to. I think it is a far greater "spiritual" sensation to love life for what it is and not because your boss does.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part
Nice finding. Your Nobel prize is in the mail.
Quoteand as much as it pains me to say it....
If it pains you, save the effort. I don't give a rat's ass about your "love" anyway.
QuoteI love you all.
My, my... quite the picky type.
QuoteBecause Jesus Christ does.
Ah, that's why! Talk about sincere feelings... anyway, tell your imaginary, zombified carpenter I don't give a rat's ass about his "love", either.
QuoteAnd the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ.
I'd rather have other kinds of spirits residing in me.
QuoteOnly true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
I don't find delusion and lunacy that amazing. I'll pass.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does.
Glad to see that you make your own decisions.
QuoteOnly true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Bliss? I'm guessing bliss.
I have to admit, JesusIsKing, If you came in here saying:
"Hey I'm a christian and I have a feeling that we don't see eye to eye on any beliefs. At all. But, I am hoping to understand why athiests don't believe in Jesus and accept him as our Lord and savior."
If you said that it would sound like you're actually serious about being in this community. Instead what you typed is sort of the equivelant of showing up at someone's house ringing the doorbell and leaving a flaming bag of poop on our door step.
I'm willing to give you a chance like Jason is, but in the end, I'm not a moderator, so it's not up to me.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Hey everyone!
This guy loves us! I mean, he views us as sub-human in comparison to him, but that's ok, because he's willing to overlook our terrible nature as godless heathens and extend to us an alm of love.
Fuck you, man. You're only willing to say "I love you" because your goddamn sky fairy supposedly says so as well? Well bobidy boo, how magnanimous and sincere of you.
Lots of love.
Jesus Christ doesn't exist and very soon, neither will you.
So whats your goal ? If its entertaining us by showing us what a complete moron you are, you're doing a great job! But if you want to convince us about something you will have to take a different approach.
You love me!? Well, this is...well, it's just so sudden! :oops:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
And actually, I would totally believe you if you replaced the word "love" with the word "judge".
8-)
1.Are you a creationist ?
2.Do you believe in the flood ?
3.What do you say about contradictions in the OT ?
4.What do you say about contradictions in the NT ?
5.What is your Christian denomination ?
Quote from: "Mermaid"You love me!? Well, this is...well, it's just so sudden! :oops:
is it too early for the "it's not you, it's me" speech? or "I think we should see other gods"?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I love you all.
Define love.
Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Mermaid"You love me!? Well, this is...well, it's just so sudden! :oops:
is it too early for the "it's not you, it's me" speech? or "I think we should see other gods"?
I knew it. Story of my life. I knew I should have waited, but we prayed together too soon, didn't we?
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "surly74"Quote from: "Mermaid"You love me!? Well, this is...well, it's just so sudden! :oops:
is it too early for the "it's not you, it's me" speech? or "I think we should see other gods"?
I knew it. Story of my life. I knew I should have waited, but we prayed together too soon, didn't we?
it wasn't that it was too soon...i just heard stories of you praying around.
Methinks someone might be a bit confused as to the meaning of the word: love.
eh?
:evil:
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Methinks someone might be a bit confused as to the meaning of the word: love.
eh?
What he means is "Oh you poor unenlightened saps. You don't know anything. I am so much wiser and it sucks to be you".
That is what he means by "love". Even though it pains him.
QuoteOnly true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Just look at what we're missing out on:
[youtube:w8iq2l80]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNL-V3KfH8[/youtube:w8iq2l80]
There are crazy people in the world no matter what group you look at. It is illogical and a fallacy to use that video since I could find one of an Atheist basically going insane as well. To the rest of you who say that it is "sales pitch love" that I have for you are wrong as well. The only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus setting the example of how to do that. I can already see how arguments work on this forum: By picking out little details that aren't supposed to matter when looking at the big picture of what someone is saying.
QuoteThe only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
So basically you're only doing this because someone is making you? Such a nice guy you are. And such a nice guy your jesus friend is, for forcing you do be someone you're not.
Fake love is the worst love. And you and your religion are full of it :)
Quote from: "viocjit"1.Are you a creationist ?
2.Do you believe in the flood ?
3.What do you say about contradictions in the OT ?
4.What do you say about contradictions in the NT ?
5.What is your Christian denomination ?
1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteThe only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
So basically you're only doing this because someone is making you? Such a nice guy you are. And such a nice guy your jesus friend is, for forcing you do be someone you're not.
Fake love is the worst love. And you and your religion are full of it :)
This is a perfect example of you hang on a specific detail rather than looking at the big picture of what I'm trying to say. I love you, and so does Jesus. But if it weren't for him setting the good example in the first place I probably wouldn't love you since there is no such thing as a perfect Christian who can show love and compassion for EVERYONE.
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"Methinks someone might be a bit confused as to the meaning of the word: love.
eh?
Yeah, well, if your definition of ultimate love is having yourself killed to calm your genocidal rage towards people you supposedly love, then it's little wonder that these people have a pretty screwed-up understanding of the concept.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"QuoteThe only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
So basically you're only doing this because someone is making you? Such a nice guy you are. And such a nice guy your jesus friend is, for forcing you do be someone you're not.
Fake love is the worst love. And you and your religion are full of it :)
This is a perfect example of you hang on a specific detail rather than looking at the big picture of what I'm trying to say. I love you, and so does Jesus. But if it weren't for him setting the good example in the first place I probably wouldn't love you since there is no such thing as a perfect Christian who can show love and compassion for EVERYONE.
You haven't said enough to be able to talk about a "big picture", you literally only posted like 5 sentences on the boards so far. Start by actually explaining your big picture, if you want to be taken seriously :)
(Also, and you're going to whine about me hammering on details again but I'm still gonna do it, if jesus didn't set the good example, there would be no christians, period. This is simply cause and effect, but that seems to be
really hard for many of the religious, so I figured I'd point it out.)
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
(//http://i.imgur.com/y91Dmrk.gif)
Quote from: "Solitary"Welcome aboard JustIsKing! I am Lord Solitary. Explain to everyone hear where and when you found out Jesus is King and the Holy Spirit resides in anyone that accepts Jesus H. Christ. Are you saying there are false believers. I have taken shrooms and felt an amazing spiritual feeling, does this mean Jesus Christ is in a mushroom? 8-) Solitary
I found Jesus Christ at the age of 11 but I didn't have much of an idea what I was doing. I had my "awakening" about a year ago and have been doing research ever since. So far, my research has done nothing but confirm my beliefs and I would love to share all that research with Atheists. If I could just show one of you that Jesus is the Way to Heaven then I would be happy. I am prepared for the anxiety I will suffer from reading replies.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
[ Image (//http://i.imgur.com/y91Dmrk.gif) ]
Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
Ohhhhh!
We love research :D
Bring it on.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"QuoteThe only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
So basically you're only doing this because someone is making you? Such a nice guy you are. And such a nice guy your jesus friend is, for forcing you do be someone you're not.
Fake love is the worst love. And you and your religion are full of it :)
This is a perfect example of you hang on a specific detail rather than looking at the big picture of what I'm trying to say. I love you, and so does Jesus. But if it weren't for him setting the good example in the first place I probably wouldn't love you since there is no such thing as a perfect Christian who can show love and compassion for EVERYONE.
Again, there is no goal in doing so. You're either really insecure about your faith, or you're trying to convince us that god is real. If it's the latter, try a different approach, you're making a fool out of yourself. And if it's not, then why post on an atheist board that you love us. Do you think that will make a change in how we view christians ? To me, it just sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you truly "love" us so that you will feel closer to jesus or whatever imaginary friend you have.
:evil:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Solitary"Welcome aboard JustIsKing! I am Lord Solitary. Explain to everyone hear where and when you found out Jesus is King and the Holy Spirit resides in anyone that accepts Jesus H. Christ. Are you saying there are false believers. I have taken shrooms and felt an amazing spiritual feeling, does this mean Jesus Christ is in a mushroom? 8-) Solitary
I found Jesus Christ at the age of 11 but I didn't have much of an idea what I was doing. I had my "awakening" about a year ago and have been doing research ever since. So far, my research has done nothing but confirm my beliefs and I would love to share all that research with Atheists. If I could just show one of you that Jesus is the Way to Heaven then I would be happy. I am prepared for the anxiety I will suffer from reading replies.
Well then by all means, enlighten us !
:evil:
Quote from: "Solitary"You really don't get it do you? It can't pain someone to love! Also, you have not answered my questions. Why don't you look at the big picture and take the blinkers off. Jesus was not the best example of love because it was conditional just like yours is: kiss my ass and believe in me and I'll love you, but if you don't go to hell. If you can't answer a simple question when asked you are a being a troll. :evil: Solitary
Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally. I personally will never be able to have unconditional love for people because humans are incapable of legitimately unconditionally loving everyone. Ask me a question please... I am happy to answer. Don't be rude.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
[ Image (//http://i.imgur.com/y91Dmrk.gif) ]
Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
One reapes what he sows.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Solitary"You really don't get it do you? It can't pain someone to love! Also, you have not answered my questions. Why don't you look at the big picture and take the blinkers off. Jesus was not the best example of love because it was conditional just like yours is: kiss my ass and believe in me and I'll love you, but if you don't go to hell. If you can't answer a simple question when asked you are a being a troll. :evil: Solitary
Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally. I personally will never be able to have unconditional love for people because humans are incapable of legitimately unconditionally loving everyone. Ask me a question please... I am happy to answer. Don't be rude.
That's not how it works. You came here stating that your "research" has proven you the truth of the babble and want us filthy heathens to see the light.
[blink:39qvqwzt]Show us your evidence.[/blink:39qvqwzt]
Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
One reapes what he sows.
Interesting, I haven't sowed anything yet by telling you what I am. If you are so accepting then why would you bother laughing at my answers. I will be just as well off in every aspect of life as you while believing the opposite of you.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"There are crazy people in the world no matter what group you look at.
That's rich. Here I am talking to a YEC. And he calls Christians going a bit overboard with their dancing crazy. Ever look in the mirror?
QuoteTo the rest of you who say that it is "sales pitch love" that I have for you are wrong as well. The only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
Then you don't truly love us. In fact, we've all seen this sort of "love" (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing) before.
You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
One reapes what he sows.
Interesting, I haven't sowed anything yet by telling you what I am. If you are so accepting then why would you bother laughing at my answers. I will be just as well off in every aspect of life as you while believing the opposite of you.
No, you came here with the clear intent of proselytizing. This is something that doesn't go down well over here.
Put up or shut up.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Solitary"You really don't get it do you? It can't pain someone to love! Also, you have not answered my questions. Why don't you look at the big picture and take the blinkers off. Jesus was not the best example of love because it was conditional just like yours is: kiss my ass and believe in me and I'll love you, but if you don't go to hell. If you can't answer a simple question when asked you are a being a troll. :evil: Solitary
Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally. I personally will never be able to have unconditional love for people because humans are incapable of legitimately unconditionally loving everyone. Ask me a question please... I am happy to answer. Don't be rude.
Hm. Interesting that you'd use the word rude.
Your being here and saying what you are saying implies that you believe you know more than we do, are smarter than we are, and your responsibility is to show us the error of our ways.
I appreciate the fact that you think you have what amounts to the cure for cancer for all of mankind, but I am smart enough to make that kind of a decision for myself. I have had my own religious upbringing and education, and I have decided for myself that I don't believe any of it. I do not welcome your attempts at persuading me otherwise. I see that as fundamentally disrespectful. But thanks anyway.
Quote from: "Hydra009"Then you don't truly love us. In fact, we've all seen this sort of "love" (//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_bombing) before.
Call it what you want. I know how I feel toward you all. Whether you care that I love you or not.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
So basically you're failing science 101 by not actually basing your research on the real world?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
And here I was, thinking that "Microsoft Works" was the biggest oxymoron ever...
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
So tell me, King. How do you feel about the theory of evolution? :popcorn:
:evil:
Love existed LONG before Jesus. Where did people learn to grudgingly love others before that?
Quote from: "Solitary"I appreciate the fact that you think you have what amounts to the cure for cancer for all of mankind, but I am smart enough to make that kind of a decision for myself. I have had my own religious upbringing and education, and I have decided for myself that I don't believe any of it. I do not welcome your attempts at persuading me otherwise. I see that as fundamentally disrespectful. But thanks anyway.
That is fine. Though it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that, you aren't the person I am here to convince.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Solitary"I appreciate the fact that you think you have what amounts to the cure for cancer for all of mankind, but I am smart enough to make that kind of a decision for myself. I have had my own religious upbringing and education, and I have decided for myself that I don't believe any of it. I do not welcome your attempts at persuading me otherwise. I see that as fundamentally disrespectful. But thanks anyway.
That is fine. Though it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that, you aren't the person I am here to convince.
In fact, you're so dumb you can't even quote properly. (Hint: look at the poster's name)
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Solitary"I appreciate the fact that you think you have what amounts to the cure for cancer for all of mankind, but I am smart enough to make that kind of a decision for myself. I have had my own religious upbringing and education, and I have decided for myself that I don't believe any of it. I do not welcome your attempts at persuading me otherwise. I see that as fundamentally disrespectful. But thanks anyway.
That is fine. Though it makes me sick to my stomach to hear that, you aren't the person I am here to convince.
What makes you think anyone here is "the person to convince"?
And why do you even give a shit what I do? It has no effect on you. You can bleed your biblical blood all over the place if you want to, but leave other people out of it.
:evil:
Quote from: "Plu"So basically you're failing science 101 by not actually basing your research on the real world?
Actually, I am a science major in my Junior year of college. I'm doing quite well thank you. I go to a very secular school. You think I don't know how great science is and how much it can solve? I witness it firsthand... But I also believe that science will only take us so far because humans are not the answer to everything.
My professor who is just as devout an atheist as any admitted to the entire class that believing in a Big Bang is as much a belief as Creationism.
Quote from: "Solitary"Did God make poodles?
=D>
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"So basically you're failing science 101 by not actually basing your research on the real world?
Actually, I am a science major in my Junior year of college. I'm doing quite well thank you. I go to a very secular school. You think I don't know how great science is and how much it can solve? I witness it firsthand... But I also believe that science will only take us so far because humans are not the answer to everything.
My professor who is just as devout an atheist as any admitted to the entire class that believing in a Big Bang is as much a belief as Creationism.
Interesting. I am a scientist as well. I suspected from the beginning that you are college-age. Therefore you know everything.
You'll learn.
:evil:
QuoteActually, I am a science major in my Junior year of college.
Then you should be able to have a good idea of why your proof isn't scientific, and thus lacks any ability to convince based on its empirical evidence.
Which means nobody here gives a damn, because things that have no effect on reality have no value to people who don't believe in things that aren't part of reality.
(Also your professor is something of an idiot.)
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
Okay that's it, anyone who cannot see that this guy is a troll is blind. Get a life bro.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"So basically you're failing science 101 by not actually basing your research on the real world?
Actually, I am a science major in my Junior year of college. I'm doing quite well thank you. I go to a very secular school. You think I don't know how great science is and how much it can solve? I witness it firsthand... But I also believe that science will only take us so far because humans are not the answer to everything.
My professor who is just as devout an atheist as any admitted to the entire class that believing in a Big Bang is as much a belief as Creationism.
So, you are a science major and a young heart creationist? A science major who rejects all the solid evidence that the earth is older than 6000 years (regardless of whether it's been created by a gawd or not)? :lol: :lol: :lol:
As for your "atheist professor" anectode: allow me to doubt it.
Quote from: "Mermaid"My professor who is just as devout an atheist as any admitted to the entire class that believing in a Big Bang is as much a belief as Creationism.
Interesting. I am a scientist as well. I suspected from the beginning that you are college-age. Therefore you know everything.
You'll learn.[/quote]
I would never make a claim to know everything. I'm not your average college student who acts like they know it all. I'm just here to give my points of view and people who read your points vs. mine can believe what they want based on what they feel.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I would never make a claim to know everything. I'm not your average college student who acts like they know it all. I'm just here to give my points of view and people who read your points vs. mine can believe what they want based on what they feel.
It's not a matter of "believing" one point of view or the other:
science doesn't ask for belief, offers evidence. On the contrary, religion asks for blind belief and rejects all evidence.
ETA: And you still can't quote for shit.
You aren't here to give your POV, you said yourself you are here to proselytize.
Quote from: "DunkleSeele"So, you are a science major and a young heart creationist? A science major who rejects all the solid evidence that the earth is older than 6000 years (regardless of whether it's been created by a gawd or not)? :lol: :lol: :lol:
As for your "atheist professor" anectode: allow me to doubt it.
Yes, he was an atheist and yes he made that anecdote. I am unique aren't I? Anyways, what you call "solid" evidence, I call man trying to piece together a reason for us being on earth.
By the way, can an atheist be "devout"?
Isn't the very definition of atheist a lack of belief in a deity? How can one be devout to nothing?
This if fun. :popcorn:
Quote from: "Mermaid"You aren't here to give your POV, you said yourself you are here to proselytize.
Let me fix this for you. I am here to convince those who are not like you and haven't entirely made their mind up.
QuoteI'm not your average college student
Well, no. Judging by your posts so far, you are a decidedly
below average college student.
So, anything worthwhile you're going to post? You know, actual science? Or should we just let you go?
QuoteLet me fix this for you. I am here to convince those who are not like you and haven't entirely made their mind up.
Nobody here is interested in "believing". So unless you have "evidence", you will not get very far. Everyone here has made their mind up about only accepting things that are real, not make-believe. Even if they aren't entirely sure if there is/is not a god.
Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, can an atheist be "devout"?
Isn't the very definition of atheist a lack of belief in a deity? How can one be devout to nothing?
Or you can look at in the sense that you are believing in the fact that you don't believe in anything. Therefore making you a devout athiest.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "DunkleSeele"So, you are a science major and a young heart creationist? A science major who rejects all the solid evidence that the earth is older than 6000 years (regardless of whether it's been created by a gawd or not)? :lol: :lol: :lol:
As for your "atheist professor" anectode: allow me to doubt it.
Yes, he was an atheist and yes he made that anecdote. I am unique aren't I?
Don't flatter yourself, you aren't. You are one of the many young earth creationist idiots spouting off the same, old bovine manure.
QuoteAnyways, what you call "solid" evidence, I call man trying to piece together a reason for us being on earth.
On top of that, it's clear you can't even read properly: I didn't talk about the "reason for us being on earth". I talked about the evidence for the earth being older than 6000 years.
Quote from: "Plu"Well, no. Judging by your posts so far, you are a decidedly below average college student.
So, anything worthwhile you're going to post? You know, actual science? Or should we just let you go?
haha really? I am a science major in my junior year at an Ivy League school with a 3.86 GPA. Ask me a question. It is hard to keep up when it is 100 vs. 1.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"You aren't here to give your POV, you said yourself you are here to proselytize.
Let me fix this for you. I am here to convince those who are not like you and haven't entirely made their mind up.
Ok, fair enough.
Can you tell me why exactly you find this to be your job or your business who believes in what?
:evil:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"Well, no. Judging by your posts so far, you are a decidedly below average college student.
So, anything worthwhile you're going to post? You know, actual science? Or should we just let you go?
haha really? I am a science major in my junior year at an Ivy League school with a 3.86 GPA. Ask me a question. It is hard to keep up when it is 100 vs. 1.
Oh my. What kind of science?
TO EVERYONE HERE : IF HE DOES NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION, CONSIDER HIM A TROLL.
What evidence do you have for the world being (around) 6000 years old ?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"Well, no. Judging by your posts so far, you are a decidedly below average college student.
So, anything worthwhile you're going to post? You know, actual science? Or should we just let you go?
haha really? I am a science major in my junior year at an Ivy League school with a 3.86 GPA. Ask me a question. It is hard to keep up when it is 100 vs. 1.
Yeah, you clearly can't read. I explained it to you before: you claim to have proof, you bring it to the table. It's not up to us to ask you questions, troll.
I'll just leave this here...
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
- Epicurus [341–270 B.C.]
I love a man with big strong science muscles.
Quote from: "Mermaid"Ok, fair enough.
Can you tell me why exactly you find this to be your job or your business who believes in what?
Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Today, what better way to proclaim the gospel than online for the world to see? That is why I am doing it. Because I want everyone to be as secure as I am about what happens to me after I die.
For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Ok, fair enough.
Can you tell me why exactly you find this to be your job or your business who believes in what?
Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Today, what better way to proclaim the gospel than online for the world to see? That is why I am doing it. Because I want everyone to be as secure as I am about what happens to me after I die.
Yep, shining example of "unconditional love". :rollin:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Ok, fair enough.
Can you tell me why exactly you find this to be your job or your business who believes in what?
Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Today, what better way to proclaim the gospel than online for the world to see? That is why I am doing it. Because I want everyone to be as secure as I am about what happens to me after I die.
I am sorry, but that is fucking ludicrous.
Ok, I just chastised you for being disrespectful and here I am doing the same to you.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
Just as i thought, consider yourself dismissed, idiot.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
Want some cheese with that whine? :rollin:
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Ok, fair enough.
Can you tell me why exactly you find this to be your job or your business who believes in what?
Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Today, what better way to proclaim the gospel than online for the world to see? That is why I am doing it. Because I want everyone to be as secure as I am about what happens to me after I die.
I am sorry, but that is fucking ludicrous.
Ok, I just chastised you for being disrespectful and here I am doing the same to you.
yeah...
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
I asked you a legit question that you haven't answered yet. You are a science major at an Ivy Leage uni with a near perfect GPA: What do you think about the theory of evolution as it applies to the natural world?
Also, what kind of science are you studying?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"yeah...
ok, so we're even.
I'll give you one more post to show some of your "logic" or "research", before I dismiss you as a waste of time. We have no reason to ask you anything until you show us what you think you know.
:evil:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
:-s
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
I asked you a legit question that you haven't answered yet. You are a science major at an Ivy Leage uni with a near perfect GPA: What do you think about the theory of evolution as it applies to the natural world?
Also, what kind of science are you studying?
I am studying natural sciences and pursuing med school. I think evolution is rather preposterous.. I am not going to bash Darwin because I think his ideas of natural selection and survival of the fittest are incredible. I just think he takes it too far with evolution. I don't believe that people evolved from animals who don't have souls. I know I have a soul. A part of me that is different from any animal that has ever walked this Earth.
:evil:
QuoteI know I have a soul.
How do you know that?
QuoteInteresting, I haven't sowed anything yet by telling you what I am. If you are so accepting then why would you bother laughing at my answers. I will be just as well off in every aspect of life as you while believing the opposite of you.
Funny enough, this actually shows you we are right. If you believe a lot, and we believe nothing, and the end result is the same, apparently your believing is completely pointless.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
I asked you a legit question that you haven't answered yet. You are a science major at an Ivy Leage uni with a near perfect GPA: What do you think about the theory of evolution as it applies to the natural world?
Also, what kind of science are you studying?
I am studying natural sciences and pursuing med school. I think evolution is rather preposterous.. I am not going to bash Darwin because I think his ideas of natural selection and survival of the fittest are incredible. I just think he takes it too far with evolution. I don't believe that people evolved from animals who don't have souls. I know I have a soul. A part of me that is different from any animal that has ever walked this Earth.
If you don't believe that, can you explain why humans and so many other animals have so many commonalities in our genomes?
And that this pattern is the same for all animals?
Do you believe that humans are not "animals"?
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
:-s
He does love everyone unconditionally. Which is why He put people like me here to show you how to get eternal life with Him. When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
:-s
He does love everyone unconditionally. Which is why He put people like me here to show you how to get eternal life with Him. When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
Jesus=Fail! :rollin:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Actually Jesus loves everyone unconditionally.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, "Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
:-s
He does love everyone unconditionally. Which is why He put people like me here to show you how to get eternal life with Him. When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
That doesn't sound very unconditional to me.
:evil:
Quote from: "Mermaid"If you don't believe that, can you explain why humans and so many other animals have so many commonalities in our genomes?
And that this pattern is the same for all animals?
Do you believe that humans are not "animals"?
So we share 50% of our genome with a banana and like 99% with a monkey. Well, monkeys behave much more like us than a banana so obviously their genome would make sense to be closer to ours. Our genome isn't what makes us unique. It's something that we will never discover.
I believe that humans are created in God's image and that we were given a soul unlike animals so that we may have the natural urge to seek God throughout our lives.
QuoteIt's something that we will never discover.
Some scientist you are. That attitude will get you far in the field of natural science :roll:
:evil:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I believe that humans are created in God's image and that we were given a soul unlike animals so that we may have the natural urge to seek God throughout our lives.
So how do you explain someone like me who doesn't naturally seek God?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"If you don't believe that, can you explain why humans and so many other animals have so many commonalities in our genomes?
And that this pattern is the same for all animals?
Do you believe that humans are not "animals"?
So we share 50% of our genome with a banana and like 99% with a monkey. Well, monkeys behave much more like us than a banana so obviously their genome would make sense to be closer to ours. Our genome isn't what makes us unique. It's something that we will never discover.
.
So if you truly understood ANYTHING about biology, you would realize the likelihood of two organisms that share 99% of their genome being unrelated.
:evil:
Quote from: "Mermaid"So how do you explain someone like me who doesn't naturally seek God?
Naturally you do seek a higher being. But you have made your mind up that there is no such thing and therefore you will never seek him.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"So how do you explain someone like me who doesn't naturally seek God?
Naturally you do seek a higher being. But you have made your mind up that there is no such thing and therefore you will never seek him.
And who the fuck do you think you are, to tell someone else what they think?
QuoteNaturally you do seek a higher being. But you have made your mind up that there is no such thing and therefore you will never seek him.
"You seek a higher being, but you don't seek him."
Is this the kind of "biblical logic" you were talking about?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"So how do you explain someone like me who doesn't naturally seek God?
Naturally you do seek a higher being. But you have made your mind up that there is no such thing and therefore you will never seek him.
Ok, I see. So you are telling me that I don't know myself and you know better than me? I am a stupid child and need to learn The Way from you.
That is why people don't welcome this sort of thing, buddy. You have a lot to learn about life in general.
By the way, you are talking down to a 50 year old woman.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteNaturally you do seek a higher being. But you have made your mind up that there is no such thing and therefore you will never seek him.
"You seek a higher being, but you don't seek him."
Is this the kind of "biblical logic" you were talking about?
8-[
Quote from: "Mermaid"So if you truly understood ANYTHING about biology, you would realize the likelihood of two organisms that share 99% of their genome being unrelated.
That is a scientific likelihood. How does a scientist formulate how closely related or how distantly related 1% is? Maybe that genome is how our bodies are built, having nothing to do with a soul.
This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"So if you truly understood ANYTHING about biology, you would realize the likelihood of two organisms that share 99% of their genome being unrelated.
That is a scientific likelihood. How does a scientist formulate how closely related or how distantly related 1% is? Maybe that genome is how our bodies are built, having nothing to do with a soul.
What the fuck is a soul? Define it.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"So if you truly understood ANYTHING about biology, you would realize the likelihood of two organisms that share 99% of their genome being unrelated.
That is a scientific likelihood. How does a scientist formulate how closely related or how distantly related 1% is? Maybe that genome is how our bodies are built, having nothing to do with a soul.
What is a scientific likelihood? That the two are unrelated?
This post tells me a lot about what you understand about natural sciences. I wish you lots of luck in your medical career.
Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Nobody is buying anything. We're just making fun of him.
Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Does replying mean we don't think he's a troll? I don't know and frankly, I don't care either way.
Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Awww.... come on! We haven't had a good chew toy for some time now, let us have a bit of fun! :twisted:
Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, you are talking down to a 50 year old woman.
Age doesn't make a difference in God's eyes. How did I talk down to you? I simply said that you are just like everyone else and are born with the natural urge to seek a higher being. That is our reason for being on Earth. I then said that you will never seek a higher being because you have convinced yourself there is no such thing. That isn't talking down to.
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Nobody is buying anything. We're just making fun of him.
Speak for yourself. He has a huge GPA from an IVY LEAGUE school! In science!
How can one make fun of that!?
Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Nobody is buying anything. We're just making fun of him.
Okay, then you're on the same page as me lol
If Mr. JesusIsKing sees this :
What do you think of dinosaur fossils ? Has man lived with dinosaurs ?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, you are talking down to a 50 year old woman.
Age doesn't make a difference in God's eyes. How did I talk down to you? I simply said that you are just like everyone else and are born with the natural urge to seek a higher being. That is our reason for being on Earth. I then said that you will never seek a higher being because you have convinced yourself there is no such thing. That isn't talking down to.
Says who? You?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, you are talking down to a 50 year old woman.
Age doesn't make a difference in God's eyes. How did I talk down to you? I simply said that you are just like everyone else and are born with the natural urge to seek a higher being. That is our reason for being on Earth. I then said that you will never seek a higher being because you have convinced yourself there is no such thing. That isn't talking down to.
:rollin:
:evil:
I am beginning to think you don't actually REALLY love us. Is that true, Big Guy? :cry:
Quote from: "Solitary"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, can an atheist be "devout"?
Isn't the very definition of atheist a lack of belief in a deity? How can one be devout to nothing?
Or you can look at in the sense that you are believing in the fact that you don't believe in anything. Therefore making you a devout atheist.
We don't believe in anything because we don't believe in a magical man in the sky? Do you believe in all the Pagan gods? If you don't it is the same reason we don't believe in yours. I for one belong to the Church of Reality, which means I believe in reality from empirical evidence and not my "feeling" for my beliefs. This is why the code word for church is "feel good" in the special forces. Solitary
Tell the truth. You actually eat kittens, don't you?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"So if you truly understood ANYTHING about biology, you would realize the likelihood of two organisms that share 99% of their genome being unrelated.
That is a scientific likelihood.
NO. It's a comparison of similarity of genetic code. It's mathematics.
QuoteHow does a scientist formulate how closely related or how distantly related 1% is? Maybe that genome is how our bodies are built, having nothing to do with a soul.
What? You mean aside from that statistic alone coupled with large phenotypical similarities, anatomical commonalties, shared psychological dispositions and behavioral patterns? No clue how dem darn scientists figer dat one out....
The genome dictates how we're built, there's no implication of a "soul" being anywhere.
Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "Plu"Quote from: "bada94"This is hilarious, I can't wait until you're exposed. And I can't believe people are still buying this xD
Nobody is buying anything. We're just making fun of him.
Speak for yourself. He has a huge GPA from an IVY LEAGUE school! In science!
How can one make fun of that!?
Thank you. It is people who make foolish remarks about my beliefs that I cannot stand. I am completely happy with where I am headed in life and what I believe in will not change whether I am "Earthly" successful or not.
The research that lead you to accept the jewish war god Yahweh, his son Yeshua ben Yusuf and young earth creationism comes from a book that is itself not back up by any credible sources.
You said you know researching the bible for truth won't convince you because we don't take it seriously - and you know why. Nothing backs it up. Nothing suggests it's real. In fact we know huge portions of it is direct fiction. Hell, we know for a fact that the earth is older than 6000 years old. That is unquestionable! We got a pretty precice number 4.5 billion years. That might be slightly adjusted - but we know, for a fact, that the number is far, far larger than 6000 years - regardless of the potential existence of any god. Evolution is a fact. All we know of evolution and cosmology disproves the entire creation story in your book.
So why would you believe that book? What logic did you use? Why not the Quran? Why not Edda? Why the Bible?
Why believe in something that goes against everything we know to be true? Why believe anything this book that is full of incorrect fact claims says? Why would any research of it be relevant? Why would that convince you? Your conclusions and beliefs comes from pure irrationality.
And no, you will never be able to convince anyone here. For that you need facts! And actual logic. You need to demonstrate that what you claim is true. And you have already stated that you can't. Few people's minds are made up here. Most are open for the concept of a god, and even those who aren't would likely change their mind if any evidence of any value was presented. But your side has none!
Quote from: "bada94"If Mr. JesusIsKing sees this :
What do you think of dinosaur fossils ? Has man lived with dinosaurs ?
Yes, man lived with dinosaurs. They were wiped out in the flood and couldn't adapt after they came off the ark when the flood was over. That is my Biblical reasoning. I don't have time to go into depth but it can be Googled. It is interesting to me that birds have been found to be the closest ancestor to dinosaurs and that they were the only things that could fly to avoid the flood.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"It is hard to keep up when it is 100 vs. 1.
You're the one who thought it would be a good idea to bring god to logic fight cochise.
Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"The research that lead you to accept the jewish war god Yahweh, his son Yeshua ben Yusuf and young earth creationism comes from a book that is itself not back up by any credible sources.
You said you know researching the bible for truth won't convince you because we don't take it seriously - and you know why. Nothing backs it up. Nothing suggests it's real. In fact we know huge portions of it is direct fiction. Hell, we know for a fact that the earth is older than 6000 years old. That is unquestionable! We got a pretty precice number 4.5 billion years. That might be slightly adjusted - but we know, for a fact, that the number is far, far larger than 6000 years - regardless of the potential existence of any god. Evolution is a fact. All we know of evolution and cosmology disproves the entire creation story in your book.
So why would you believe that book? What logic did you use? Why not the Quran? Why not Edda? Why the Bible?
Why believe in something that goes against everything we know to be true? Why believe anything this book that is full of incorrect fact claims says? Why would any research of it be relevant? Why would that convince you? Your conclusions and beliefs comes from pure irrationality.
And no, you will never be able to convince anyone here. For that you need facts! And actual logic. You need to demonstrate that what you claim is true. And you have already stated that you can't. Few people's minds are made up here. Most are open for the concept of a god, and even those who aren't would likely change their mind if any evidence of any value was presented. But your side has none!
I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
:evil:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Speak for yourself. He has a huge GPA from an IVY LEAGUE school! In science!
How can one make fun of that!?
Thank you. It is people who make foolish remarks about my beliefs that I cannot stand. I am completely happy with where I am headed in life and what I believe in will not change whether I am "Earthly" successful or not.
Oh, dude.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
This is good stuff.
:evil:
Quote from: "Solitary"OK! At what speed are we going through space-time science major? :-k What is the speed of gravity? What is a Catalyst? What is Centrifugal force? What is Fission and Fusion? What is a Half Life, and why does it matter? What is Mass? What is a Matrix? What is osmosis? What is a Parameter? What is a Quantum? What is a Quark? What is Symbiosis? What is a Synapse? What is Synergy?---that should be an easy one for you. What is a valance? What does Energy equals Mass times the speed of light squared mean? Just answer the last question Science Major. Try to keep up!Solitary
I know the answers to 16 out of 18 of the questions you just asked and I could easily look up the other two. I don't need another test right now. Summer classes are enough work.
Quote from: "Solitary"But you don't believe you will die if baptized. But believe you me, you will die just like every other living thing, no matter what you believe. :twisted: Solitary
Is that what theists believe? If I was baptized as a kid (which I was), can I be a atheist and still get a free ticket to eternal life?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
So Jesus says you must accept me so that you can be let into my kingdom. That sounds a lot like a
condition to me. Methinks that for such a brainy young college student, you might still be a little lacking in your knowledge of what the word unconditional means. You did say you were a junior though. Maybe they don't teach the meaning of unconditional until senior year now a days. :shrug:
Edit: Wrong spelling of accept
Quote from: "Solitary"But you don't believe you will die if baptized. But believe you me, you will die just like every other living thing, no matter what you believe. :twisted: Solitary
Of course I will die because that is the punishment for sin. However, I will die, and then enjoy all of eternity chilling in Heaven.
Baptism isn't what saves someone anyway. It is accepting Jesus Christ.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"The research that lead you to accept the jewish war god Yahweh, his son Yeshua ben Yusuf and young earth creationism comes from a book that is itself not back up by any credible sources.
You said you know researching the bible for truth won't convince you because we don't take it seriously - and you know why. Nothing backs it up. Nothing suggests it's real. In fact we know huge portions of it is direct fiction. Hell, we know for a fact that the earth is older than 6000 years old. That is unquestionable! We got a pretty precice number 4.5 billion years. That might be slightly adjusted - but we know, for a fact, that the number is far, far larger than 6000 years - regardless of the potential existence of any god. Evolution is a fact. All we know of evolution and cosmology disproves the entire creation story in your book.
So why would you believe that book? What logic did you use? Why not the Quran? Why not Edda? Why the Bible?
Why believe in something that goes against everything we know to be true? Why believe anything this book that is full of incorrect fact claims says? Why would any research of it be relevant? Why would that convince you? Your conclusions and beliefs comes from pure irrationality.
And no, you will never be able to convince anyone here. For that you need facts! And actual logic. You need to demonstrate that what you claim is true. And you have already stated that you can't. Few people's minds are made up here. Most are open for the concept of a god, and even those who aren't would likely change their mind if any evidence of any value was presented. But your side has none!
I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
I need to be there? We can't know anything unless we see it with our own eyes? Shall we toss out paternity tests out of court? They weren't there ... No? Well, what about the DNA tests showing that we are related to monkeys? What about how we can use DNA to actually track our lineage??? Sure, life started long, long after the earth was here, but all the evidence for evolution alone - hell, human history, shows that young earth creationism is 100% false. And then you can add all the methods we use to pin-point how old the earth, and the universe is. Sorry, but we know for an absolute fact that the earth is older that 6000 years old. This is something you can never get around. It's demonstrably true. Your claim is demonstrably false.
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
So Jesus says you must accept me so that you can be let into my kingdom. That sounds a lot like a condition to me. Methinks that for such a brainy young college student, you might still be a little lacking in your knowledge of what the word unconditional means. You did say you were a junior though. Maybe they don't teach the meaning of unconditional until senior year now a days. :shrug:
Edit: Wrong spelling of accept
He loves us by giving us Life and a chance to find Him. He doesn't love the choices we make.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
were you there when the bible was written?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"When people deny Him, He will also deny you in His kingdom.
So Jesus says you must accept me so that you can be let into my kingdom. That sounds a lot like a condition to me. Methinks that for such a brainy young college student, you might still be a little lacking in your knowledge of what the word unconditional means. You did say you were a junior though. Maybe they don't teach the meaning of unconditional until senior year now a days. :shrug:
Edit: Wrong spelling of accept
He loves us by giving us Life and a chance to find Him. He doesn't love the choices we make.
Then it's:
NOT UNCONDITIONAL
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "Plu"Nobody is buying anything. We're just making fun of him.
Speak for yourself. He has a huge GPA from an IVY LEAGUE school! In science!
How can one make fun of that!?
Thank you. It is people who make foolish remarks about my beliefs that I cannot stand. I am completely happy with where I am headed in life and what I believe in will not change whether I am "Earthly" successful or not.
For a science major, you're quite a dimwit. Mermaid's post was sarcastic; here, I spelt it out for you, idiot.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I simply said that you are just like everyone else and are born with the natural urge to seek a higher being. That is our reason for being on Earth. I then said that you will never seek a higher being because you have convinced yourself there is no such thing. That isn't talking down to.
I am 45 years old. I came to realization that I am atheist only recently. I was not raised in an atheist household and had no idea what atheists were until I got into my teens. But I can honestly say that I have never once felt any kind of urge to seek a higher being. Not one single time.
So what I'm saying here in case its not clear is that while I'm sure you believe the statement you made above it true, I can assure you it is not.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
Where you or your parents there to witness the flood? Dinosaurs living along with humans? Jayzus nailed to a plank? The zombie carpenter getting out of the grave?
See, it works both ways... :twisted:
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
You don't "love" anybody. That is just a bunch of condescending crap. All you know about "JEEZUS" is fictional folklore handed down generation after generation, and it's nothing but a story.
Prove that there was ever the jesus that you think you know.
Prove that there is or was ever a spirit, holy or otherwise. Then prove the thoughts and intentions of said mythological beast.
The thing is that you have accepted this made up myth and want everyone else to do so. You either make up crap and speak for this myth or accept what others have told you.
You condescend to everyone using this myth as justification to do so.
Heres what I know. Noone is better than anyone else based on their beliefs. No one has a magical philosophy that allows them to reign over anyone else. There is no birthright. So don't you dare to say that you "love" me. You don't even know me. There is no god, no holy spirit, no heaven, no hell!
I am so sick and tired of your condescending bullshit. So take a long walk off of a short pier. FUCK YOU!!!!!!
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Everybody loves me baby..what's the matter with you? Wontcha tell me what did I do to offend you.. --Don MacLain.
Jesus lives in me? He better start paying rent.
As much as it pains me.. You're full of shit.
/debate and conversation
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Quote from: "Solitary"QuoteTell the truth. You actually eat kittens, don't you?
Actually I have in China. I had a meal there and didn't know what the meat was and said to the waiter, "Bow Wow?" He shook his head and said, "Meow Meow." It was actually good. Solitary
Dear God in heaven.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "viocjit"1.Are you a creationist ?
2.Do you believe in the flood ?
3.What do you say about contradictions in the OT ?
4.What do you say about contradictions in the NT ?
5.What is your Christian denomination ?
1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
Now I have others questions.
1.Did you read all the Bible ?
2.You are a native Christian or you're a Christian by conversion ?
3.Do you believe that evolution theory is a conspiracy who was made by secret societies ?
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Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"QuoteThe only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus commanding us to love everyone.
So basically you're only doing this because someone is making you? Such a nice guy you are. And such a nice guy your jesus friend is, for forcing you do be someone you're not.
Fake love is the worst love. And you and your religion are full of it :)
This is a perfect example of you hang on a specific detail rather than looking at the big picture of what I'm trying to say. I love you, and so does Jesus. But if it weren't for him setting the good example in the first place I probably wouldn't love you since there is no such thing as a perfect Christian who can show love and compassion for EVERYONE.
Mr. Rogers.
And again, as an atheist I love you, without anyone twisting my arm and making me say, "If I wasn't being judged, I wouldn't actually love you" WHICH means you don't love you just do what you are told.
QuoteI can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
Were you there for WW2? No? Then you cant prove it happened.
Were you there for JFKs assassination? No? Then you cant prove it happened.
Did you go to the moon withe NASA? No? Then you cant prove its not a ball of cheese in the sky.
Have you ever SEEN gravity? No. Then you cant tell me its not god using magic magnets on our feet.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
I asked you a legit question that you haven't answered yet. You are a science major at an Ivy Leage uni with a near perfect GPA: What do you think about the theory of evolution as it applies to the natural world?
Also, what kind of science are you studying?
I am studying natural sciences and pursuing med school. I think evolution is rather preposterous.. I am not going to bash Darwin because I think his ideas of natural selection and survival of the fittest are incredible. I just think he takes it too far with evolution. I don't believe that people evolved from animals who don't have souls. I know I have a soul. A part of me that is different from any animal that has ever walked this Earth.
First of all fucktard DNA has proved evolution to be a fact.
Secondly noone here believes for one second that you are a science major in an ivy league school and that you are doing well.
Third, you said that you provide logic proof of your jibberish, but haven't even tried to do so. You can't and won't answer one question. You keep saying that you would be logical but you evade any logical course of conversation.
So if your a student at an ivy league school, certainly you can provide info to prove that? What is your name? Where are you enrolled? What courses are you in? Who are your professors? Can you provide transcripts?
You won't and can't answer these questions or any other, because you're a young dumbass just stirring the pot to get your jollies off. BTW noone at 11 could actually know what the hell they are talking about, so you are just brainwashed like all the other christian morons. You want to know why the church insist on teaching their nonsense to kids at an early age? Because kids are impressionable, easily brainwashed, and anyone of age, education, and experience would instantly know that the god crap is a bunch on nonsense.
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Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "La Dolce Vita"The research that lead you to accept the jewish war god Yahweh, his son Yeshua ben Yusuf and young earth creationism comes from a book that is itself not back up by any credible sources.
You said you know researching the bible for truth won't convince you because we don't take it seriously - and you know why. Nothing backs it up. Nothing suggests it's real. In fact we know huge portions of it is direct fiction. Hell, we know for a fact that the earth is older than 6000 years old. That is unquestionable! We got a pretty precice number 4.5 billion years. That might be slightly adjusted - but we know, for a fact, that the number is far, far larger than 6000 years - regardless of the potential existence of any god. Evolution is a fact. All we know of evolution and cosmology disproves the entire creation story in your book.
So why would you believe that book? What logic did you use? Why not the Quran? Why not Edda? Why the Bible?
Why believe in something that goes against everything we know to be true? Why believe anything this book that is full of incorrect fact claims says? Why would any research of it be relevant? Why would that convince you? Your conclusions and beliefs comes from pure irrationality.
And no, you will never be able to convince anyone here. For that you need facts! And actual logic. You need to demonstrate that what you claim is true. And you have already stated that you can't. Few people's minds are made up here. Most are open for the concept of a god, and even those who aren't would likely change their mind if any evidence of any value was presented. But your side has none!
I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
Okay dumbass, let's use YOUR fucked up logic. Was there a jesus? Were YOU there? Fuck no you weren't. What a fucking illogical hypocrit. You deny science and fact by saying that it can't be true because people weren't there, yet you profess the bible bullshit and we know you weren't there. Using YOUR illogic, you should be a "devout atheist" because you weren't around when the bible was written, therefore you shouldn't believe a damn thing in it.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I am studying natural sciences and pursuing med school. I think evolution is rather preposterous..
So you don't believe in evolution. That's fine So tell me young doctor in training, do you believe in flu shots?
Still haven't answered the question- you believe the earth is 6,000 year old. Prove it with nonbiblical evidence. I would even accept a valid argument.
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Meaningful conversation with young Earth evangelicals is not possible so I wrote our new friend a song.
Sung to the tune of Camptown ladies
Faith in Christ is fuckin' lie.
It's bull shit, bull shit.
Evangelical Christians are full of shit.
It's all a fuckin' lie.
They believe the universe is younger than beer.
It's bull shit, bull shit.
Beer has been around for twelve thousand years.
It's all just a fuckin' lie.
Chorus:
Jesus is a fuckin' lie.
Evangelicals are full of shit.
They bet their money on a big ol lie.
And it made Billy Graham stinkin' rich.
There aint no talking snakes.
Noah didn't build a boat.
Moses didn't part the sea.
It's bull shit, bull shit.
Gabriel didn't blow his horn.
Yahweh is just another fairy tale.
Jesus Christ didn't raise from the dead.
It's all a just fuckin' lie.
Chorus:
Jesus is a fuckin' lie.
Evangelicals are full of shit.
They bet their money on a big ol lie.
And it made Billy Graham stinkin' rich.
Chorus:
If Yahweh is another fairy tale,
Then there wasn't an original sin.
Jesus Christ didn't rise from the grave that day.
There is no salvation through him.
Faith in Christ is fuckin' lie.
It's bull shit, bull shit.
Evangelical Christians are full of shit.
It's all a fuckin' lie.
Nice song, Pappy. totally nailed it. :-D
Still waiting on the 6,000 year thing there, scientist.
The op seems to think that a murderer can get away with his crime if nobody or no recording device was there to witness it. He doesn't seem to understand that evidence is taken more seriously than eye witness accounts.
Imagine a defense attorney telling a judge that their client can't be convicted with a crime because nobody was there to confirm that they did it. Forensics, examining the weapon used (if one was found), determining motives, investigating suspects behavior before and after the crime are all useless processes.
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I swear this is deja vu. Seems like every 3 months or so we get some guy on here with the same claims, i.e. a scientist that doesn't believe in evolution and is a young earth creationist. Weird.
^^^
It must be true. God works in mysterious ways.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Only true alcoholics will understand that amazing feeling of being totally drunk.
That doesn't mean that being continuously drunk is a good thing. And it doesn't mean that continuously having "that amazing spiritual feeling" is a good thing either. They're both just allowing your intelligence to be reduced by some external factor. (At least there's objective evidence that alcohol actually exists.)
So "that amazing spiritual feeling" isn't a good argument for religion, it's a good argument against religion.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
We don't take it seriously because modern science only began around late 1700's. Since then we have traveled through space, we have observed countless lightyears worth of the universe, and dug and swam beneath the surface of the ocean and the earth. We still have found no evidence of heaven or hell... or god for that matter.
I do enjoy that you put "research" in quotes though.
I'm going to ride my unicorn over to my garage so I can slay the dragon that isn't paying me my rent now.
I have two questions though. There are a ton of people that don't beleive in god and even more that don't believe in you're model of god. In fact aside from the larger religions today like chistianity and islam and judaism, there are countless smaller religions practiced by tribes around the world. If god wants us to believe in him, why does he allow such little hard evidence of him? And what makes you think your religion is more correct than one like islam or the religions of south american and african tribes?
Well, guess he up and disappeared. We pro'ly shouldn't have ganged up on him so much...
...then again he was spouting some stupid bullshit so he kinda had it comin'.
Well, that escalated quickly.
I notice that JesusIsKing hasn't yet show us yet how to believe in something that is obviously false.
He hasn't shown anything yet. To be honest, I kinda lost interest somewhere at the halfway point because he doesn't actually spew any kind of original bull. It's all just stuff that seems to come straight from other lunatics, and he doesn't even try to explain himself.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
Biblical logic? That is the best oxymoron I've encountered since 'military intelligence' and 'postal service'.
Oh hey, hang on. Jesus could leap in here any second with evidence that will just floor us all. So stay tuned!
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Quote from: "stromboli"Oh hey, hang on. Jesus could leap in here any second with evidence that will just floor us all. So stay tuned!
:popcorn:
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If the only reason he loves us is because of his god, then he is a horrible person.
The only reason he loves us is because God tells him so. I suppose the only reason he doesn't walk around stabbing random people in the eye sockets is because God says it's wrong.
Oh hey, a new chew toy! Don't you guys go being mean and scaring him off too fast!! [-X I see he is already giving himself plenty of rope, all we need to do is sit back and enjoy the show.
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Love.
You keep using that word.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
> 2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
If you would like to convert us all, here's the recipe:
Read Matthew 21:22. Then pray that tomorrow morning, when we wake up, all the sick children in the world will be made well. If that happens, we will all become believers.
If not, then either you are not a believer, or the Bible is wrong.
Hope that helps.
Frank
> Ask me a question please... I am happy to answer.
Do you have any evidence to support your beliefs? That you believe isn't evidence. That others believe isn't evidence. That everyone in the world except the people on this forum believed wouldn't be evidence. That you had a "feeling" while in church or while reading the Bible or while praying isn't evidence.
Curing all the sick children in the world overnight would be evidence.
> Don't be rude.
Good advice. There's some value in that.
I used to be a born-again, Bible-believing Christian, saving souls for Christ. Then I read the Bible and thought about it. After a while, I became an atheist.
Read what people post. (Ignore the rude stuff.) Think about it. Be logical. Eventually, you may see what we see. Here are some exercises:
Do you believe in Thor? Why or why not?
Do you believe in any of the thousands of gods people have invented other than the one you call, "God"? Why or why not?
Once you understand why you don't believe in any of the other gods, you will begin to understand why we don't believe in yours.
Frank
Gees, and I had a whole bunch of websites lined up to debunk the young earth shit. So disappointed right now. :(
Quote from: "stromboli"Gees, and I had a whole bunch of websites lined up to debunk the young earth shit. So disappointed right now. :(
I thought we were finally going to have some entertainment around here. Disappointed.
Look, JesusIsKing, I'm feeling bored and generous. I'm going to pretend (despite my better judgment) that you actually have something to say. Why don't you make your best pitch, either in this thread or a new one--makes no difference to me--and I'll give it the response that it deserves. If it is no better then what's plopped out of you so far then I'll agree with the majority that your just another poor quality troll. However, if you produce something of (even marginal) quality--or at least provide marginal entertainment--I'm prepared to engage you seriously.
Quote from: "Voskhod"Love.
You keep using that word.
I don't think it means what you think it means.
=D>
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Only true alcoholics will understand that amazing feeling of being totally drunk.
That doesn't mean that being continuously drunk is a good thing. And it doesn't mean that continuously having "that amazing spiritual feeling" is a good thing either. They're both just allowing your intelligence to be reduced by some external factor. (At least there's objective evidence that alcohol actually exists.)
So "that amazing spiritual feeling" isn't a good argument for religion, it's a good argument against religion.
Oh I'm quite sure that religion exists and it has a measurable effect. That's what provides a believer with that "spiritual" feeling.
Gods don't exist though, and therefore have no measurable effect and cannot be responsible for that "spiritual" feeling.
Looks like JayzusIsStink has disappeared... :lol:
JesusIsKing
King of what? Lies?
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
If it pains you to say you love us, you don't love us. Something for you to work on. It never hurts to say 'I love you' if you really love someone.
Welcome to the forum.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"QuoteOnly true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Just look at what we're missing out on:
[youtube:yx078dgw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NNL-V3KfH8[/youtube:yx078dgw]
There are crazy people in the world no matter what group you look at. It is illogical and a fallacy to use that video since I could find one of an Atheist basically going insane as well. To the rest of you who say that it is "sales pitch love" that I have for you are wrong as well. The only reason I said it pains me is because I will tell you right now I would not love you if it weren't for Jesus setting the example of how to do that. I can already see how arguments work on this forum: By picking out little details that aren't supposed to matter when looking at the big picture of what someone is saying.
It's not an argument to point out that the love you claim to hold for us is insincere by any reasonable standard. It's an accusation of hypocrisy. We're not even up to arguing yet.
At least you're not a drive-by. I hope we can get past this initial difficulty and grow to have a mutual respect for each other. That would be a far greater gift than indiscriminate 'love' you give grudgingly only because you think you should.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Hydra009"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"1. I am a young Earth creationist.
2. I believe in the flood. And the rest of the Bible for that matter.
3/4. I believe contradictions that people see are either a person reading the context wrong or that the contradictions come from faulty translations over the years. I believe that God originally created a flawless work that has been slightly ruined over time by man.
5. I am a Baptist.
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Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
It's nothing compared to what we face in Christian territory if we aren't the very soul of politeness and deference. Be brave, it's only strangers on the internet, I believe you can do it.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "DunkleSeele"Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Perfect example of what I am ready to face being in Atheist territory.
One reapes what he sows.
Interesting, I haven't sowed anything yet by telling you what I am. If you are so accepting then why would you bother laughing at my answers. I will be just as well off in every aspect of life as you while believing the opposite of you.
Who claimed we were accepting? Our love isn't unconditional. If we love you, it's because of the kind of person that you are. What you sowed was an insincere declaration of impersonal (!) love that you admittedly only hold because you think the king of the universe wants you to. The reaction you're getting to that grudging affection that you hold for us the same as you would for an axe murderer or a child raper is due to the fact that we see it for the slap in the face that it is.
There are people who love unconditionally. People who hold intense affection for all of humanity, even for all of life and everything that exists, understanding that the worst of us was someone's precious baby once and feeling sadness instead of anger or hate when someone who could have been a precious treasure winds up a danger to others...and not giving too much credit to the best of us, who might not have achieved that in different circumstances. They tend not to go around announcing it on the internet, though.
I observe that Christians aren't especially likely (or unlikely) to be one of those rare people.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"You won't like my "research" because much of it is Bible based... which you don't take seriously. My point is that I can refute your earthly logic with Biblical logic.
At least you recognize that trying to argue from 'the Bible says so' makes about as much sense as trying to argue from 'the Bhagavad Ghita says so'.
Logic works on us. Logic isn't divided into earthly and biblical. It's divided into sound and unsound. If your arguments are sound, they will be persuasive.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Plu"So basically you're failing science 101 by not actually basing your research on the real world?
Actually, I am a science major in my Junior year of college. I'm doing quite well thank you. I go to a very secular school. You think I don't know how great science is and how much it can solve? I witness it firsthand... But I also believe that science will only take us so far because humans are not the answer to everything.
My professor who is just as devout an atheist as any admitted to the entire class that believing in a Big Bang is as much a belief as Creationism.
Atheism doesn't require devotion. Undergraduate college professors are rarely the cream of the crop of science. What is your professor a professor of? Because there is a lot of evidence that the universe started out very small and expanded rapidly; which is what 'the Big Bang' means.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "Mermaid"By the way, can an atheist be "devout"?
Isn't the very definition of atheist a lack of belief in a deity? How can one be devout to nothing?
Or you can look at in the sense that you are believing in the fact that you don't believe in anything. Therefore making you a devout atheist.
So everyone who believes in the fact that they do believe in God is a devout theist? What a low bar to set. All you need to be devout these days is to believe you believe or don't believe something.
It's hard to respect someone who will throw the word 'devotion' under the bus to keep from admitting it was an inappropriate adjective to use.
And we don't have much respect for people just because they're atheists around here. We have respect for people who demonstrate an ability to think critically. We prefer a critically-thinking theist to an atheist who is a sloppy thinker.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"For those who tell me I'm a troll and don't have any legitimate questions, I am not going to bother to answer. I am here to express my logic against yours so that people may make their own decisions who read it.
That's a healthy attitude to take. Looking forward to reading your upcoming posts expressing your logic.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"So we share 50% of our genome with a banana and like 99% with a monkey. Well, monkeys behave much more like us than a banana so obviously their genome would make sense to be closer to ours. Our genome isn't what makes us unique. It's something that we will never discover.
Here's the thing: sure, if I were the creator of life, that's the reason monkeys and humans would have similar DNA. Even with lots of training and a century more of science to make it possible for me to create life in a lab, that's how I would have to do it. Because I have limited brainpower and limited resources. I can't afford to write entirely new code for my crowning achievement. It might even be that for me, there is only one way to make a human. All these reasons apply to me, but they wouldn't apply to an omniscient and omnipotent God. Such a being doesn't gain anything by being frugal with resources; it's no more effort to make a human with an entirely unique form of heredity than it was to make a bacterium. Such a being would only make our DNA so similar to a monkey's for some other reason...like fooling us into concluding that we are related to them.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I believe that humans are created in God's image and that we were given a soul unlike animals so that we may have the natural urge to seek God throughout our lives.
Why would god be a biped with hands and eyes? But sure, if God is real, he could have given us souls and not given them to animals, whether creationism or evolution is actually the case. If there supposed to give people the natural urge to seek God throughout their lives, they arguably don't work very well; considering hundreds of millions of people are atheists and billions believe in other Gods than yours.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Thank you. It is people who make foolish remarks about my beliefs that I cannot stand. I am completely happy with where I am headed in life and what I believe in will not change whether I am "Earthly" successful or not.
Like the foolish remarks about Mermaid's beliefs that you made? If you had an ounce of self-awareness, you might have better luck at faking sincerity with us.
Young earth creationism is rarely a barrier to being an effective medical practitioner, as long as you don't go so far as to reject giving updated vaccines; so I doubt your belief will be a barrier to future success. Baptists seem to like going to a doctor that's also a Baptist.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"I can't question it? I can question you saying that the Earth is older than that. Were you there? Did you or your parents witness the Earth more than 6000 years ago? What you call Earthly evidence, I call people's mistake.
Would you consider that a rebuttal if someone made it about the resurrection of Jesus? Were you there?
You are now obliged to give up belief in the resurrection if you think 'were you there?' is a sufficient rebuttal to a claim made about events that happened before we or our parents were born. If you don't, honesty and integrity would compel you to acknowledge how impoverished the argument you just made was.
He said he loved us! Then he left. Not feelin' the love. :(
By somegreybloke:
Sorry for posting this in two different threads, but I thought it would also be appropriate here....
[youtube:1teo3b5w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2bpc7LSRZc[/youtube:1teo3b5w]
Gerard
Everyone is still posting on this thread and JesusIsKing isn't even here to talk to us back.
It's like we're at church.... talking to no one. :rollin:
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Everyone is still posting on this thread and JesusIsKing isn't even here to talk to us back.
It's like we're at church.... talking to no one. :rollin:
Oh well, that's life I suppose. At least we're still talking to each other and whenever JesusIsKing wants to join in... Muy bien!
Gerard
Poor guy probably feels like he's being picked apart by piranhas.
Maybe he'd fare better in a one on one discussion?
I doubt it. He doesn't stand a chance on anyone here. He's already admitted he doesn't have any logical arguments.
Love is a biological function that we evolved to bond together into groups or tribes, because survival is easier with a group and because it makes raising our young much easier and it's actually become necessary since our young are completely helpless at birth unlike some animals whose young take their first steps mere minutes after birth.
So the question is, why would god love? Is god a biological being? If so, what biological function does love serve this being. How did it evolve the ability to love? If not, then why would a non-biological being have the capacity to love?
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Love is a biological function that we evolved to bond together into groups or tribes, because survival is easier with a group and because it makes raising our young much easier and it's actually become necessary since our young are completely helpless at birth unlike some animals whose young take their first steps mere minutes after birth.
So the question is, why would god love? Is god a biological being? If so, what biological function does love serve this being. How did it evolve the ability to love? If not, then why would a non-biological being have the capacity to love?
God=Love, you heathen!
[-X
I like the concept of it, and I like to think it's an integral part of the human condition. Of what we are, so to speak.
Gerard
Quote from: "Jason78"Poor guy probably feels like he's being picked apart by piranhas.
Maybe he'd fare better in a one on one discussion?
Poor guy probably should have jumped into a different pool. #-o
[youtube:25bby6nv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc[/youtube:25bby6nv]
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Love is a biological function that we evolved to bond together into groups or tribes, because survival is easier with a group and because it makes raising our young much easier and it's actually become necessary since our young are completely helpless at birth unlike some animals whose young take their first steps mere minutes after birth.
So the question is, why would god love? Is god a biological being? If so, what biological function does love serve this being. How did it evolve the ability to love? If not, then why would a non-biological being have the capacity to love?
Hypothetically speaking, God could actually have love and be some sort of immaterial biological being. He did impregnate a woman 2000 years ago...
That still sort of wierds me out... He basically is his own father... talk about paradoxes...
anyway. back to the hypothetical stuff.
If he didn't get her pregnant and she did get knocked up by a mortal, maybe he pulled a Viggo the Carpathian? from Ghostbusters 2?
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"...and be some sort of immaterial biological being.
I'm sorry, but that is a contradictory term. Biological beings are by definition material and immaterial beings are also by definition not material. If you're speaking of both at the same time, then how does the immaterial effect the material since this is so commonly considered impossible the word immaterial is a synonym for irrelevant. As in it has no effect.
Yea. I realized that it contradited it'self, but I had to throw out some logic in order to play by theist rules and come up with that.
That's why I think (hypothetically) god did this:
[youtube:1segyqqi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP2JPwbtq0g[/youtube:1segyqqi]
Damn. Late to the party again.
It's already been pointed out that love based on shared humanity and cohesion is superior to a "love because I say so." That being could just as easily say "hate because I say so..." wwwwwhich he does. So I've got just one thing to ask:
Can you point out to us where in the Bible it actually says that Jesus loves us?
Quote from: "the_antithesis"Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP7SPJllNoc)
You just made me feel bad about love... Which is a considerable accomplishment... Interesting video you posted by the way.....
Gerard
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Yea. I realized that it contradited it'self, but I had to throw out some logic in order to play by theist rules and come up with that.
That's why I think (hypothetically) god did this:
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP2JPwbtq0g)
Didn't he play a role in Ally McBeal? I liked that a lot better.....
Gerard
*after making jokes about talking to people not even here*
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Quote from: "bada94"If Mr. JesusIsKing sees this :
What do you think of dinosaur fossils ? Has man lived with dinosaurs ?
Yes, man lived with dinosaurs. They were wiped out in the flood and couldn't adapt after they came off the ark when the flood was over. That is my Biblical reasoning. I don't have time to go into depth but it can be Googled. It is interesting to me that birds have been found to be the closest ancestor to dinosaurs and that they were the only things that could fly to avoid the flood.
[youtube:3l8dt6bs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s13X66BFd8[/youtube:3l8dt6bs]
So, the Flinstsones were pre-flood... Ok. I got it.
Quote from: "JesusIsKing"Even though you are atheists here for the most part and as much as it pains me to say it.... I love you all. Because Jesus Christ does. And the Holy Spirit resides in anyone who accepts Jesus Christ. Only true believers will understand that amazing spiritual feeling.
Wow, that was impressive. And by "impressive" I mean boringly mundane.
Oh and look up "true Scotsman" fallacy.
Now, in your quote, everywhere you typed "Jesus" replace it with "Allah" or "Vishnu" or "Mickey Mouse" and see if you would buy your own earth shattering argument if someone with another pet god were using the same argument.
I don't love Christians. I sort of pity them.
Quote from: "Jmpty"I don't love Christians. I sort of pity them.
In what context? I love people who have religious beliefs. But that does not mean I value their claims. I love my mom to no end. But I do think it is a pity that she values the idea of communion which is symbolized cannibalism.
I pity our species in the collective sense that we have not gotten a good hold on the importance of reality vs going with what feels good. I hate religion AS A CONCEPT as a CLAIM. But I do not hate humans merely because they might say something that may make me want to pull my hair out.
I cant hate human rights, I can hate the claims humans may make, even if I don't hate them personally.
Dude's made it to 32 posts. I'm certainly impressed.
QuoteI cant hate human rights, I can hate the claims humans may make, even if I don't hate them personally.
Pity and hate are too completely different emotions; not even opposite ends of the spectrum, rather on completely different spectrum all together.
I've been away. Are we still "loved"? Cause that's kinda funny.
Quote from: "Brian37"In what context? I love people who have religious beliefs. But that does not mean I value their claims. I love my mom to no end. But I do think it is a pity that she values the idea of communion which is symbolized cannibalism.
I pity our species in the collective sense that we have not gotten a good hold on the importance of reality vs going with what feels good. I hate religion AS A CONCEPT as a CLAIM. But I do not hate humans merely because they might say something that may make me want to pull my hair out.
I cant hate human rights, I can hate the claims humans may make, even if I don't hate them personally.
Love the theist, but not the theism? :D
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've been away. Are we still "loved"? Cause that's kinda funny.
I still love ya!
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "WitchSabrina"I've been away. Are we still "loved"? Cause that's kinda funny.
I still love ya!
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So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned?
[youtube:2uvtvylw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfDVLsBXYcM[/youtube:2uvtvylw]
Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
Used. And not even in a good way.
*wink*
Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
Well, objects, props, toys and lab rats are cheap. And since god God can do what he wants with us. My only advice is get some industrial strength lube because God uses us like a John on meth who uses a barbed wire condom.
Why have any self worth or dignity when you can worship an abuser?
Damn, he wasn't even banned. What a dick.
Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
We need to find this guy... I just found out that I'm pregnant.
Quote from: "kilodelta"Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
We need to find this guy... I just found out that I'm pregnant.
Me too, which is weird... because I'm a guy.
Quote from: "PickelledEggs"Quote from: "kilodelta"Quote from: "stromboli"So.... basically we've been loved and abandoned? I'm feeling so cheap right now.....
We need to find this guy... I just found out that I'm pregnant.
Me too, which is weird... because I'm a guy.
Shit. Now I see what's happened...... I thought it was just a cold sore.
Did another hit-&-run theist troll trollop through here ? They say they "love" and "save" for Jesus - but damn they got no staying power, do they?
Maybe they need some.................
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