G'day,
I'm not sure if I'm shopping around for a new forum after leaving my old online home at a forum I won't name or whether I'll just kinda lick my wounds here for a while and then return to the old forum.
The old forum appeared to me to have a bit too much theocratic influence on the moderation team so this one may suit me better.
I'm spiritual but not religious but I agree with atheists that there is no sound reason for believing in God, however I still believe in a sort of God for irrational reasons.
I'm more one of the rabble than a refined educated gent, but I vote for the Australian Labor party, and am generally a left leaning spiritually liberal (not to be confused with the political party known as the Liberals) type of guy.
I also think atheists get way too much flak for pointing out the bleeding obvious - that there is no reliable evidence for God.
Anyway looking forward to getting to know you.
Hi TDofA!
What is the definition of "sort of God"?
Welcome to the forum, I hope you can find here whatever it is you're looking for.
At least you seem to be sufficiently literate! Many who come here are sadly lacking in that department.
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 11, 2024, 12:10:06 AMHi TDofA!
What is the definition of "sort of God"?
Welcome to the forum, I hope you can find here whatever it is you're looking for.
At least you seem to be sufficiently literate! Many who come here are sadly lacking in that department.
Well my God largely reflects a post-hoc rationalised version of my indoctrination minus a lot of stuff I dumped because it looked a little too scientifically bogus even for an irrational type like myself, so it's going to sound weird but here goes;
In my beliefs all that is is divided into the physical realm and the spirit realm. God in my beliefs doesn't/has never intervened in the physical realm because it is a lazy God that doesn't immediately get around to being benevolent, but I would describe it as ultimately benevolent in the sense that it eventually gets round to being benevolent by providing a living spirit to all who desire it for as long as they desire it after the death of our physical body.
Apart from doing that it is too lazy to do anything else.
So I would define my God as Omnipotent, All-knowing and lazy but ultimately benevolent.
(Hope that wasn't too much useless background info for you)
Welcome, to our little band of heathens.
Greetings!
Here there be dragons!
So pull up a place by the fire.
Greetings and welcome. It's funny that you'd describe your god as "lazy." I can see how that would rile people up. lol
It sounds like your god is just a vehicle for cheating death, though. I understand death can be scary, but eternal life is a much scarier concept.
You from sidney or melbourne, stranger?
Quote from: Blackleaf on June 11, 2024, 12:44:17 PMGreetings and welcome. It's funny that you'd describe your god as "lazy." I can see how that would rile people up. lol
It sounds like your god is just a vehicle for cheating death, though. I understand death can be scary, but eternal life is a much scarier concept.
Maybe, but there is no reason an afterlife need be eternal. It could just go on till one gets bored of it, or maybe there is none
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 11, 2024, 02:05:38 PMYou from sidney or melbourne, stranger?
That's an interesting dichotomy of choices for a large country.
But by chance I am from Sydney :)
I seem to recall Jackie Chan climbing on the Sidney Opera House in one of his movies.
Quote from: Theisticdefenderofatheism on June 11, 2024, 11:14:52 PMMaybe, but there is no reason an afterlife need be eternal. It could just go on till one gets bored of it, or maybe there is none
Reminds me of the show 'the good place'.
Haven't watched it fully, but i know how it ends.
Good show, handeling philosofical questions with a dollop of humor.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 12, 2024, 01:25:35 AMReminds me of the show 'the good place'.
Haven't watched it fully, but i know how it ends.
Good show, handeling philosofical questions with a dollop of humor.
I've heard about this show, but regrettably it's not on Netflix that I'm aware of
Quote from: Theisticdefenderofatheism on June 12, 2024, 03:32:21 AMI've heard about this show, but regrettably it's not on Netflix that I'm aware of
Probably varies by country, but it's on Netflix where I live (America).
Pretty sure i watched it either on either netflix or disneyplus.
But yeah, different countries, different assortment of shows.
Never really went into vpn stuff, to log into different country netflix
Quote from: Blackleaf on June 12, 2024, 11:20:40 AMProbably varies by country, but it's on Netflix where I live (America).
Thanks, I'll double check it when I get home
Quote from: Theisticdefenderofatheism on June 11, 2024, 11:14:52 PMMaybe, but there is no reason an afterlife need be eternal. It could just go on till one gets bored of it, or maybe there is none
One of my favorite what-ifs is an immortal being who gets too close to a neutron star and crashes there. Plasters to the surface by the gravity, impossible to escape, and he'll live forever. (Long after the heat death of the universe? Worst case.)
I think I (and we) will live again in the next iteration of the universe, but I (and we) won't remember this time around. I think I (and we) have lived (and will live) an infinite number of lives, but I (and we) have no continuity of memory of that infinite number of lives.
I could, of course, be wrong about that.
Success in life is escape from the wheel.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on June 12, 2024, 01:25:35 AMReminds me of the show 'the good place'.
Haven't watched it fully, but i know how it ends.
Good show, handeling philosofical questions with a dollop of humor.
Found it on Netflix (Australia), I'll give it a watch
Quote from: Unbeliever on June 13, 2024, 10:26:28 AMI think I (and we) will live again in the next iteration of the universe, but I (and we) won't remember this time around. I think I (and we) have lived (and will live) an infinite number of lives, but I (and we) have no continuity of memory of that infinite number of lives.
I could, of course, be wrong about that.
I've heard it suggested that each black hole could be the singularity that starts a new universe. The main argument seems to be that the amount of density required to form a black hole gets smaller the bigger the scale you're working with. Basically, a tiny black hole requires a ton of pressure. A ton of energy has to be packed down into the same place for it to collapse into a singularity. But massive black holes out there were created with much less pressure. It still requires a lot of stuff, but it doesn't have to be as densely packed in order to collapse. So, if you extend that pattern to the extreme, how much density/pressure does it take to make a universe-sized black hole? Probably not a lot. What if we're already in a black hole?
If true, every black hole that is created could represent the birth of a brand new universe. There could be an infinite pattern in both directions. We could be a universe in a black hole, which is also a universe in a black hole, and so on. And our black holes may be universes with their own black holes, which birth their own universes. The chances of there being another person who is completely identical to you in every way would be basically guaranteed.
Here's a video that probably describes the idea more clearly.