The Brains Behind AOC Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
I think this is quite interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU
Damn, all the people riding her coattail for just a hint of clout.
The big money powers that be are obviously threatened by her.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 11, 2019, 02:30:16 AM
The big money powers that be are obviously threatened by her.
It isn't her. It is her handlers in the background. She is just "reading" the script given to her.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 02:44:22 AM
It isn't her. It is her handlers in the background. She is just "reading" the script given to her.
Are you seriously that paranoid? Is it really that inconceivable to you that someone from a working class background would despise a political system designed to fuck the working class?
Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 11, 2019, 02:49:36 AM
Are you seriously that paranoid?
He's either seriously that paranoid and crazy or he's trolling.
Working class? That's why she nuked 25000 possible jobs in NY? Really?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 11, 2019, 02:50:25 AM
He's either seriously that paranoid and crazy or he's trolling.
I assume she speaks honestly for herself. I don't see any reason to think she is "controlled" by anyone. On the other hand, I don't think she is any special politician, yet. Let her get more experience.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 02:58:27 AM
Working class? That's why she nuked 25000 possible jobs in NY? Really?
You mean she didn't want a massive corporation that pays no federal taxes move into her neighborhood, get massive local tax exemptions, gentrify the entire area, and drive up local rents? Seriously, this is a problem to you?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 02:59:29 AM
I assume she speaks honestly for herself. I don't see any reason to think she is "controlled" by anyone. On the other hand, I don't think she is any special politician, yet. Let her get more experience.
I think you are quoting the wrong person.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 11, 2019, 03:03:21 AM
You mean she didn't want a massive corporation that pays no federal taxes move into her neighborhood, get massive local tax exemptions, gentrify the entire area, and massively drive up local rents? Seriously, this is a problem to you?
I already liked this, but I have to comment just how right this.
Imagine if she said yes though... then pr would be here telling us how much of a hypocrite she is for not taking a hardline approach to Amazon that is consistent with her ideology.
It's lose/lose/lose.
This is not her neighborhood anymore. She lives in a luxury apartment in DC.
Yes, it is a problem for the unemployed in a poor NY district who could have had a job.
And no, not my problem.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 11, 2019, 03:06:00 AM
I think you are quoting the wrong person.
No, I was definitely quoting you.. On the other hand, if my reply was not to what you posted, I do apologize.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 03:10:15 AM
This is not her neighborhood anymore. She lives in a luxury apartment in DC.
Yes, it is a problem for the unemployed in a poor NY district who could have had a job.
And no, not my problem.
A. She represents that neighbourhood... she is spotted in that neighbourhood quite often. That is her neighbourhood.
B. It's not a "luxury D.C." apartment; the numbers I have seen is that it's roughly $2,000 a month, while the average D.C. apartment is roughly $2,700 a month.
C. My god, is there anything you don't know anything about you won't open your mouth to talk about?
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 03:12:32 AM
No, I was definitely quoting you.. On the other hand, if my reply was not to what you posted, I do apologize.
lol that is what i meant. that you meant to reply to someone else.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 03:10:15 AM
This is not her neighborhood anymore. She lives in a luxury apartment in DC.
Yes, it is a problem for the unemployed in a poor NY district who could have had a job.
And no, not my problem.
As someone that is from a nearby neighborhood of where AOC represents and is FROM, holy shit you are just flat out incorrect.
Do your homework before you open your dumb as fuck mouth for once in your sorry excuse for a life
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 03:10:15 AM
This is not her neighborhood anymore. She lives in a luxury apartment in DC.
She couldn't even afford to move there until she started getting her congressional salary. AOC has also pledged to pay all her interns a living wage. Amazon does not pay a living wage, yet Bezos somehow became the richest man in the world.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 03:10:15 AMYes, it is a problem for the unemployed in a poor NY district who could have had a job.
And no, not my problem.
The entire area has tons of jobs, Amazon not needed. If anything, their presence would work against such people by driving rent into the stratosphere.
Plus, amazon might have made some more jobs, but they would not do anything positive for the community.
Amazon would be leeching off of the current infrastructure. They wouldnt be putting money in to the subway system, which they would be flooding with underpaid workers. They wouldnt be contributing at all. It would be more of a bad thing than anything. Literally the only semi good thing is that there would be some people employed.... but even then, not really.... because just like walmart, they would be under-paid and over worked, and also it would be killing the surrounding economy and small businesses.
Some of the subway lines in NYC are so flooded already that maintenance that is EXTREMELY needed takes YEARS to complete. There are some areas that I've never seen not under construction and have had "alternate paths and scheduling" for the entirety of the time that I've been going in to the city, which is over 10 years. Still these lines are under construction. With more people cluttering the subway, this would be even worse and take longer and make it harder for any work to be done.
Amazon not coming to NYC was one of the best things to happen in my immediate area in the last year. And that is saying a lot because some pretty good things happen in NYC
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 11, 2019, 03:18:12 AM
lol that is what i meant. that you meant to reply to someone else.
Well, "Oopsies". I'll have to look back at that again...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on March 11, 2019, 03:31:53 AM
Plus, amazon might have made some more jobs, but they would not do anything positive for the community.
Amazon would be leeching off of the current infrastructure. They wouldnt be putting money in to the subway system, which they would be flooding with underpaid workers. They wouldnt be contributing at all. It would be more of a bad thing than anything. Literally the only semi good thing is that there would be some people employed.... but even then, not really.... because just like walmart, they would be under-paid and over worked, and also it would be killing the surrounding economy and small businesses.
Well, I pretty sure of this one...
I agree. I really agree with the idea of "you didn't build this company alone". Every business that claims "We did this ourselves" is failing to consider that PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS educated their workers, built the roads their products travel on, created the internet, provides some health care to their workers, etc.
And rather more importantly, makes up for the low wages major companies pay with public support systems ranging from housing subsidies to food assistance to day care and tax reverses.
And I'm getting damned tired of my taxes making up for the unfair low wages that many companies pay (depending on taxpayers to make up the difference between starvation and merely hard lives.
$15 is just a start. Henry Ford paid his workers enough so that they could actually have a good dwelling and buy one of the company cars and he made a fortune. It is time for modern companies to adopt that principal.
ANYONE who works 40 hours a week should be paid enough to have a decent home, functional car, and food. Beyond that, we can argue...
Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 11, 2019, 02:49:36 AM
Are you seriously that paranoid? Is it really that inconceivable to you that someone from a working class background would despise a political system designed to fuck the working class?
She is upper middle class. Her daddy is well off. She wanted to work, not that there is anything wrong with that. But why not the clamor for Chelsea Clinton to run for office?
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 02:58:27 AM
Working class? That's why she nuked 25000 possible jobs in NY? Really?
She didn't do that on her own. The NYC unions did most of that. Hymie-town y'know. Back in the day, 80 years ago, most NYC Jews voted socialist.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 11, 2019, 03:24:47 AM
She couldn't even afford to move there until she started getting her congressional salary. AOC has also pledged to pay all her interns a living wage. Amazon does not pay a living wage, yet Bezos somehow became the richest man in the world.
The entire area has tons of jobs, Amazon not needed. If anything, their presence would work against such people by driving rent into the stratosphere.
Correct observations. The point for Amazon etc is the local tax dodge.
Quote from: Cavebear on March 11, 2019, 04:36:25 AM
Well, I pretty sure of this one...
I agree. I really agree with the idea of "you didn't build this company alone". Every business that claims "We did this ourselves" is failing to consider that PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS educated their workers, built the roads their products travel on, created the internet, provides some health care to their workers, etc.
And rather more importantly, makes up for the low wages major companies pay with public support systems ranging from housing subsidies to food assistance to day care and tax reverses.
And I'm getting damned tired of my taxes making up for the unfair low wages that many companies pay (depending on taxpayers to make up the difference between starvation and merely hard lives.
$15 is just a start. Henry Ford paid his workers enough so that they could actually have a good dwelling and buy one of the company cars and he made a fortune. It is time for modern companies to adopt that principal.
ANYONE who works 40 hours a week should be paid enough to have a decent home, functional car, and food. Beyond that, we can argue...
Correct, but NYC, Washington DC etc are more expensive. Where I live, it is nothing like that, relatively cheap housing etc. Walmart is criminal you know, I think more of their full time employees get welfare, than any other corporation.
Quote from: pr126 on March 11, 2019, 02:44:22 AM
It isn't her. It is her handlers in the background. She is just "reading" the script given to her.
Who? All opposition is controlled. AOC is controlled by the CIA. Same people who control both D and R parties. And the FBI. It is part of their job (from their POV) to control everything, both in the US and outside the US. Question is, how many other leaders (than Trump) are also CIA controlled? Merkel perhaps?
Of course the ideology is simply updated Marxism. But she is tame compared to the Labor party in the UK. And I can bet you that both Tory and Labor are controlled by MI6.