Not very different from the religious zealotry of the past.
Making America great again is heresy.
You don't want America to be great?
Why not? Don't you want a good life? Be better than others?
Hell no! We want a PC, transgendered intersectional feminist Socialist America.
Freedom Go To Hell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsdo_KbX6-8
That is pretty funny. This is what happens when you put fluoride in the water supply.
I will have to have a conversation with my favorite yarmulka about that ;-)
I have an official women's mad hatter hat (from the time of the recent movie on the older Alice).
I can wear it but nobody knows I am being trans-hatter in public ;-))
I want to claim discrimination, because i am a Victorian fictional character trapped in the body of a post-modern shit poster.
I'm going to be honest, I'm getting a bit concerned for you, pr. You're posts lately are really getting... out there...
Quote from: Shiranu on February 25, 2019, 02:43:50 AM
I'm going to be honest, I'm getting a bit concerned for you, pr. You're posts lately are really getting... out there...
Do you see a pattern? Not to worry.
There are many millions all over North America and Europe whom think like me.
Look at the yellow wests in France. 15 weeks of revolt and spreading to other countries.
Look at Hungary, Poland, Chech Republic, Slovakia.
Not everybody wants utopia. It has been tried, always failed.
Ever wondered that if the west is so bad, racist, far right, fascist, intolerant then why is everybody clamouring to get in?
Virtually, billions want to live in the west. Why?
QuoteNot everybody wants utopia. It has been tried, always failed.
So your solution is to tear down the system and embrace isolationism and xenophobia? To install corrupt politicians just because they hate the same way you do? You really think that's the solution?
Do you think the people who have lead these protests give a shit about you? That the people who spear-headed Brexit had your best interests in mind when they outright lied, and admit they lied, about the benefits of it?
Give me a fucking break. The corrupt demagogues you parrot are playing you, and the West, like a fiddle. Tell me, how much better is Italy doing since electing their populist xenophobes? How has the economy of Greece and the standard of living bounced back since the far-right have been in charge? Why has corruption and cronyism skyrocketed in the United States since "MAGA" populism took over? How is Britain's economy and global influence fairing since voting for Brexit?
Quote from: Shiranu on February 25, 2019, 03:55:48 AM
So your solution is to tear down the system and embrace isolationism and xenophobia? To install corrupt politicians just because they hate the same way you do? You really think that's the solution?
Do you think the people who have lead these protests give a shit about you? That the people who spear-headed Brexit had your best interests in mind when they outright lied, and admit they lied, about the benefits of it?
Give me a fucking break. The corrupt demagogues you parrot are playing you, and the West, like a fiddle. Tell me, how much better is Italy doing since electing their populist xenophobes? How has the economy of Greece and the standard of living bounced back since the far-right have been in charge? Why has corruption and cronyism skyrocketed in the United States since "MAGA" populism took over? How is Britain's economy and global influence fairing since voting for Brexit?
Now you are projecting.
It is the globalist who are in the process of tearing down the existing system.
Agenda 21 and 2030 is real.
Sustainable development is global tyranny.
AOC New Green Deal is part of it.
Xenophoba, isolationism seems to be a western affliction only.
Open borders is only for Europe, North America, Australia, NZ.
That’s how it works.
I reiterate what I said before; I'm concerned about you. This is going past your normal fear mongering rhetoric into straight-up conspiracy lunacy, and I don't feel comfortable feeding that paranoia in any shape or form.
I don't know if it's for attention, or if you actually believe the more out there stuff you have started posting lately, but either way it's unsettling. The fact that you have people defending it is making it even more disturbing, because either they are so partisan that they have no choice to do so... or they actually believe it as well.
I don’t think you are joining the socialist paradise in Venezuela anytime soon.
Why is world wide migration one way only?
You say 'you don't like feeding it', which is funny, since most of what you say these days helps to create the kind of counter culture that exists today. Things like the maga hats or the yellow jacket movement exists because when peoples national identity is threatened by their own government, people can't take that shit anymore.
And just dismissing it as gobbledygook exaggerated by fear mongering is just adding to peoples disdain and so making such counter movements all the more grounded.
As someone who values their identity, I'd have thought you'd understand it, even if you don't value national identity yourself.
Shiranu finds it hard to understand that many people have a different world view than his.
In my case, having been educated in a real communist country I have been inoculated against brainwashing.
That’s because living it is more rewarding than picking up the ideology in a class room in a capitalist country.
Ask a Venezuelan picking in a garbage can for his dinner.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 25, 2019, 05:10:34 AM
I reiterate what I said before; I'm concerned about you. This is going past your normal fear mongering rhetoric into straight-up conspiracy lunacy, and I don't feel comfortable feeding that paranoia in any shape or form.
I don't know if it's for attention, or if you actually believe the more out there stuff you have started posting lately, but either way it's unsettling. The fact that you have people defending it is making it even more disturbing, because either they are so partisan that they have no choice to do so... or they actually believe it as well.
It is only lunacy if he thinks his MAGA hat talks to him. My hats are better behaved, they only speak when I talk to them.
Shiranu thinks he is Eloi, and we are Morlocks. Deplorables in fact.
Quote from: Munch on February 25, 2019, 05:44:32 AM
You say 'you don't like feeding it', which is funny, since most of what you say these days helps to create the kind of counter culture that exists today. Things like the maga hats or the yellow jacket movement exists because when peoples national identity is threatened by their own government, people can't take that shit anymore.
And just dismissing it as gobbledygook exaggerated by fear mongering is just adding to peoples disdain and so making such counter movements all the more grounded.
As someone who values their identity, I'd have thought you'd understand it, even if you don't value national identity yourself.
Only 18-28 year olds can be the counter-culture, us elders are only fit for the glue factory. Except a little bird tells me, there are now people in that age group speaking against all the Left lunacy. This happened 1965-1975 ... back then I spoke against the Left lunacy. We actually had a pro-Vietnam War protest on our campus. But then we were STEM, not underwater basket weaving.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 25, 2019, 03:55:48 AM
So your solution is to tear down the system and embrace isolationism and xenophobia? To install corrupt politicians just because they hate the same way you do? You really think that's the solution?
Do you think the people who have lead these protests give a shit about you? That the people who spear-headed Brexit had your best interests in mind when they outright lied, and admit they lied, about the benefits of it?
Give me a fucking break. The corrupt demagogues you parrot are playing you, and the West, like a fiddle. Tell me, how much better is Italy doing since electing their populist xenophobes? How has the economy of Greece and the standard of living bounced back since the far-right have been in charge? Why has corruption and cronyism skyrocketed in the United States since "MAGA" populism took over? How is Britain's economy and global influence fairing since voting for Brexit?
Feel isolated? Move to Russia like Lee Harvey Oswald. Or support Cuba, like he did. You will feel like regular SDS.
Underwater basket weaving. Rofl.
QuoteThings like the maga hats or the yellow jacket movement exists because when peoples national identity is threatened by their own government, people can't take that shit anymore.
I will address the MAGA because that is the easiest for me...
What you mean is when people "feel" their national identity is threatened. The thing is, American identity is not at threat... ironically the closest is the party of MAGA that has been consistently stripping away American rights for decades now and making it where "Americans" are only the super rich.
Do you think African Americans don't feel their identity is threatened when Republicans pass voter restriction laws that overwhelmingly target their communities? That Latino Americans don't feel their identity is threatened when Republicans ignore the DREAM Act and begin harassing people who have lived here since they were children and only know America, threatening them with deportation? Do you think women in America don't feel their identity is threatened when they have a president who openly brags about sexual harassment and is part of a party that constantly fights to strip them of their right to their body and access to affordable healthcare? Do you think Muslim and Jewish Americans, who have seen increasing acts of violence against them since the "MAGA" movement, don't feel their identity is threatened? Do you think the LGBT+ community don't feel their identity is at risk when they are constantly fighting for equal rights and yet see Republicans strip them of basic human dignities like the right to get married?
You can swoon over the "populist" movement all you want, but the simple truth is it is only a populist movement if you are a white, straight and Christian. These are people who believe their "national identity" is at threat if anyone else is allowed to have the same rights they do.
That is what you are defending. That is what "MAGA" stands for. It is literally shit I have seen called out time, and time, and time again on this forum (the persecutors feeling persecuted) and I would wager money you have nodded your head and agreed just how stupid that was back then... but now that they share some of the same political views, suddenly you view them as the "good guys".
And you do that all while bemoaning that it's everyone else who is so partisan, so stuck in their ways. You are so stuck in your little feedback loop with your clique that you don't realise just how much everything you keep accusing everyone else of being is exactly the behaviour you exhibit.
This is getting more and more disturbing by the day. I feel like I am going to read about you in the news, and not in a good way.
Quote from: Mermaid on February 25, 2019, 11:01:11 AM
This is getting more and more disturbing by the day. I feel like I am going to read about you in the news, and not in a good way.
Try this:
Modify profile > Edit Ignore List > Add To Ignore List
Member: Pr126
Saves you a lot of anxiety. Your personal safe space.
In America, if your identity isn't American (not same as White or male or straight or religious) ... then you are an enemy alien, a fifth columnist. Just like the scum of the 1960s.
QuoteYou don't want America to be great?
Maybe you can tell me when it so great the first time?
Quote from: Minimalist on February 25, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
Maybe you can tell me when it so great the first time?
Death to America ... says Japanese war lord, SS colonel, etc ... Gotta love people who root for the Bugs to kill off humanity.
Quote from: Minimalist on February 25, 2019, 02:58:23 PM
Maybe you can tell me when it so great the first time?
Easy.
According to Michelle Obama, (https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/feb/23/david-clarke-jr/david-clarke-says-michelle-obama-said-she-was-prou/) when her Husband won the presidency.
And of course the Obama years.
Those were the days my friend, we thought they never end... (Mary Hopkins)
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/e0/e00711abb6939b293f2e48c49a83dc311c9f09d8de192672afd9a40caff4b66b.jpg)
Quote from: Shiranu on February 25, 2019, 02:43:50 AM
I'm going to be honest, I'm getting a bit concerned for you, pr. You're posts lately are really getting... out there...
You are just noticing?
Quote from: pr126 on February 25, 2019, 03:30:23 AM
Do you see a pattern? Not to worry.
There are many millions all over North America and Europe whom think like me.
Look at the yellow wests in France. 15 weeks of revolt and spreading to other countries.
Look at Hungary, Poland, Chech Republic, Slovakia.
Not everybody wants utopia. It has been tried, always failed.
Ever wondered that if the west is so bad, racist, far right, fascist, intolerant then why is everybody clamouring to get in?
Virtually, billions want to live in the west. Why?
Not because of people who think like you do. They want to come here because of people who welcome those who work hard and are willing to start at the bottom and work up. Who admire a place where freedom exists, who are willing to learn a new language, who are willing to let go of their past and learn a new culture.
Do you know what typically happens with immigrants?
The originals work crap jobs. But struggle hard to get their kids into school. Their kids tend to be bi-lingual (to speak to their parents and to speak to their school friends). THEIR kids often don't speak any of the grandparents original language. Why should they.? They are American and they speak perfectly good American English.
And we hire foreign doctors, programmers and engineers ... they aren't all cleaning ladies ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 06:47:16 AM
And we hire foreign doctors, programmers and engineers ... they aren't all cleaning ladies ;-)
That's kind of my point, stultus... Can you not treat anything post seriously? Not everyone in the world who wants to come here is a janitor. You insult them all.
Quote from: pr126 on February 26, 2019, 04:18:34 AM
Easy.
According to Michelle Obama, (https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/feb/23/david-clarke-jr/david-clarke-says-michelle-obama-said-she-was-prou/) when her Husband won the presidency.
From, literally, your own link...
QuoteSo, Obama’s remark was made before her husband had won the Democratic nomination and nine months before was elected president.
And Obama said she was proud because Americans were hungry for change, not just because her husband was winning.
...
What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process. For the first time in my lifetime, I'm seeing people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven't seen and really trying to figure this out -- and that's the source of pride that I was talking about.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 08:17:10 AM
That's kind of my point, stultus... Can you not treat anything post seriously? Not everyone in the world who wants to come here is a janitor. You insult them all.
You are an insult to all non-millionaires, are you not? They are coming for you, Mr Burns ;-)