https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
Don't tell Sheldon and Leonard, they'll be all torn up over it.
Stan had a good long run, and he's been a big influence on the American "culture."
so sad :(
he was my hero growing up. Me and my childhood friend use to talk about how awesome it be to meet him one day, he inspired me to write stories and make up fictional characters of my own.
he was a legend, I knew he didn't have much longer, but was glad he got to at least get back together with his daughter, after the mess his carer put him though.
Thank you stan :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a2SZxUK2OA
:(
He did have a good long run. RIP.
What were his positives?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 12, 2018, 04:53:31 PM
What were his positives?
"he co-created fictional characters including Spider-Man, the Hulk, Doctor Strange, the Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Black Panther, the X-Men, and ... the characters Ant-Man, Iron Man, and Thor." ... from Wikipedia
Stan Lee had a really marvelous imagination! ;-)
Wish i could see the age he died if i care of me...
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on November 12, 2018, 04:53:31 PM
What were his positives?
He said Tony Stank. That alone is good enough for me.
"Hey True Believers!"
Stan Lee helped create a universe of interesting characters and stories that have kept me entertained most of my life. He always struck me as an original geek who had boundless enthusiasm for comics and sincerely loved his fans.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 12, 2018, 07:04:08 PM
"Hey True Believers!"
Stan Lee helped create a universe of interesting characters and stories that have kept me entertained most of my life. He always struck me as an original geek who had boundless enthusiasm for comics and sincerely loved his fans.
I grew up on his work and the world he created. I tried my hand at drawing from a book he published on drawing. But it was more then that, I escaped into marvel comics, at times when it was to hard to deal with the pressures of life when younger, my drunk father, bully older brother, and being bullied in school, for me escape was both in games, and comics, marvel comics especially.
I loved stan the man so much I wanted to meet him one day, I even think I wrote him a letter when I was 12, mailing it to the uk branch of marvel comics, not knowing if it would ever reach him.
Its just so sad that someone like him, having to deal with so much crap at the end, given what he gave for the world.
He had a rare mix of gifts - great imagination, enthusiasm for the art of storytelling, and love for fans. He didn't just try to sell a story - he tried to build a community and he was wildly successful at that.
Also, Stan Lee and other Marvel writers revolutionized the superhero genre, creating complex characters with human strengths and flaws and lives outside of the latest crisis. And many of these stories tackled important social issues, especially racial prejudice.
My favorite marvel character was a guy Stan Lee dreamed up as a challenge to himself - to take the sort of character no one would like and make him likable. That character was Tony Stark.
Cheers to a legend. Excelsior!
Stan really liked alliteration in the names of his characters.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/zapa/lists/raj-koothrappalis-list-about-stan-lees-characters-/33219/
You know, it makes me wonder if because of these elements stan lee, steve ditko and jack kirby created, if that isn't why the marvel comic movies are doing so well, and where dc cinematic universe just isn't.
Theres always been this sum up of the differences between marvel and dc, with dc heroes, they are like gods among men, where as the marvel heroes are grounded people with flaws.
I really do believe this is whats made the marvel movies so successful, because the characters are more grounded, they have flaws. iron man was in the comics once an alcoholic, but in recent times he's developed a hubris and arrogance he overcomes. Hulk all about his split personality and dealing with that loss of control. Spidermans about trying to live a normal life and the weight of that coupled with his responsibility to those he loves.
Stuff like that is more relatable then 'I got hit by lighting now I'm super fast!' or 'my dad made me a cyborg, now i'm awesome' or 'my parents died when I was young, but I'm super rich and fight crime and have a butler who raised me'. Dc isn't as grounded as marvel.
And you can see that in the movies, even with characters like tony stark whos as rich as batman, he is deeply flawed and even with his charisma, his attitude conflicts with other characters like Steve rogers, who himself is out of time with how things are today. Conflicts like that give characters layers that just isn't there in some dc charterers.
And thats what stan, jack and steve did with these characters when making them, which is still important today.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 12, 2018, 08:01:00 PM
Stan really liked alliteration in the names of his characters.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/zapa/lists/raj-koothrappalis-list-about-stan-lees-characters-/33219/
we get it, the only thing you can relate to stan lee is that one big bang episode.
Quote from: Munch on November 12, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
You know, it makes me wonder if because of these elements stan lee, steve ditko and jack kirby created, if that isn't why the marvel comic movies are doing so well, and where dc cinematic universe just isn't.
One explanation I've heard about this discrepancy is that they follow a different narrative process - DCEU starts with what the characters are doing and works their way back while the MCU takes the characters and uses their personalities to dictate what they're doing. And I think Sony just throws darts at the wall. And sometimes, the wall has stuff on it.
Quote from: Munch on November 12, 2018, 08:15:05 PM
we get it, the only thing you can relate to stan lee is that one big bang episode.
Well, I have read many of the comics, it's just been a while.
I think Marvel has generally done a better job at character-driven narratives that people can relate to. The first comic I started reading as a kid was Fantastic Four and what initially hooked me were the images. I thought the Human Torch just looked super cool (ha!) and then I got into the family dynamic and overall weirdness of their adventures.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-90b3UmXCHh0/WIjSUy3VqfI/AAAAAAAADBI/ayVZRAUSp6ADRSRzJcAtpGBGzxEPIiC6ACLcB/s1600/FF3Cover.jpg)
you know its kinda sad to think of, but Steve Ditko died this year also, back in june, but he hadn't carried the same charisma Stan had all these years, despite being one of the co founders of marvel.
All three of the founders of marvel are now gone :(
I've never read any of the comics. Like most, I watched the movie adaptations of the comics. He will be missed.
Quote from: Sal1981 on November 12, 2018, 10:10:28 PMI've never read any of the comics. Like most, I watched the movie adaptations of the comics.
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Never any?? Did you just never find a comic series that really clicked with you? Then how could the movies?? Brain...hurty me.
It's more a question of availability. There aren't any comic bookstores around here.
Quote from: Sal1981 on November 12, 2018, 10:21:39 PM
It's more a question of availability. There aren't any comic bookstores around here.
This. Comic books weren't really a thing in rural Texas.
Quote from: Sal1981 on November 12, 2018, 10:21:39 PM
It's more a question of availability. There aren't any comic bookstores around here.
Ah, okay. That makes more sense.
I always find it strange that the movies audience vastly dwarfs the comics audience. Because the comics are what gets the ball rolling - without comics being a big hit, there is no movie.
And there's so much GOOOOD stuff out there - not just comics but fiction in general - that most people have no idea about it because it's not in convenient TV/movie packaging or it's not available in their neck of the woods. That seems unfair to audiences who would love this stuff if only they got their hands on it.
Unfortunately, it's relegated to a niche audience for years, sometimes decades, before it really hits the public.
It takes a long time for an idea to make its way from the writer's room, to relatively low-budget publications like comics and books (with a modest following), to the silver screen with mass following and merch out the wazoo. The journey there is filled with lots of trials and tribulations - where things could head south in an instant. Yet, by some miracle, it makes it through this process, and mostly intact.
And then I see low-effort crap movies being made that I swear the devil himself signed off on, it makes me feel really bad for the struggling writers out there who could - who would - have a huge hit on their hands...if only...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmLFGWAyajU
Bear in mind that Stan Lee saved us from this...this...(process?) of character creation. If it weren't for him, this would've been the norm. *shudders*
Quote from: Shiranu on November 12, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
This. Comic books weren't really a thing in rural Texas.
Too busy cow tipping? And cow patty tossing contests?
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 12, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
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Never any?? Did you just never find a comic series that really clicked with you? Then how could the movies?? Brain...hurty me.
I don't think I ever read a marvel comic either.
I watched cartoon shows of X-men (which was the shit when I grew up!) and spiderman etc though.
But the comics were never big here. We have our own flooded market of great comics, though not in the line of 'superheroes'.
I think they couldn't quite take off in such a saturated market.
Anyway, the great thing about the movies is that they don't require you to click with the comic books. They manage to set up the stories and characters fast and well enough for you to care. And then they draw you in for a fun ride. Needs nothing more than that.
Back in the 70's my younger brother and I bought comic books when our mom took up to the pharmacy in Asheville. That was the only place I knew at the time that sold comic books. A comic book store opened in the 80's.
(https://thenerdsuncanny.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/comic-spinner-rack1.jpg)
There wasn't a comic shop in my town, but I use to travel to other towns to find comic shops, and brought stacks of comics. I then setup a phone order with one comic shop I shopped with for several years.
I don't mass buy comics anymore. Just occasionally treat myself to some of buy a graphic novel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea4Tq7HB7kU
I'm going to miss that guy. It was fun seeing him in the cameo's, and I can't help but wonder if this will have a negative effect on the films. Maybe not. I don't know how much control he had over the film making. Genius comes in many forms, and I'm guessing he probably was one.
When I was in elementary school, every grocery store had a rack of comic books. I would crouch down to check them out, and read them very fast, so I wouldn't have to buy one.
I remember when on holiday in cypress when I was about 17/18, and we visited this kinda out the way town with very little their besides the beach, a couple of restaurants and a convenience store, it was almost a dust bowl town. But while there, outside the convenience store, they had a rack of comic books, some with really dried up pages from the heat, all in greek. Two of them were conan comics from the 70s, so brought them. Just thought it was funny how way out in the middle of nowhere, in a small town, in a country whos language I didn't understand, I found something that connected with me, a marvel comic.
Where I live, there's like 8 places that sell comics. And by that I mean the bulk of their inventory is comics. Then there's the flea market and other places that stocked comics on the side, like hobby shops, superstores, even the occasional library. Hell, I got my first comic from the friggin' grocery store. Iron Man 291. Mainly because the artwork was very striking.
(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/30/5a7350d6970b1/portrait_uncanny.jpg)
Gods, those were the days. I used to go to all the comics shops in a week. We used to call it 'making the eight'.
I was 11. In the newstand, a tiny little corner on the block of the main street of the town I had been moved to as my Dad followed promotions as a civilian working for the Army, I used to scrape together a quarter to buy used Ace Doubles. One day the owner said "Hey I got some comic books, you can get TWO for a quarter. Not funny comics like Bugs Bunny. Adventure Comics". I looked at one.
It was the original Fantastic Four. #1. It was new and crisp in my hand. No one else wanted it. I held $300,000 in my hand not knowing it. To me, it was 12 cents, half my weekly allowance.
I was hooked. A whole bunch of regular people, adults even, not like Superman who bored me being invulnerable. They argued, they had problems, they sometimes didn't want to have POWERS...
Two for a quarter! That was a whole hamburger and fries then. And I was a very hungry 11 year old. I bought it. And I bought the next one, and the next. I was in a whole new real actual world where there were people I admired. Not Supermen, just people struggling.
I kept all those comics for years and added more. And there were more. Spiderman became my idol as I grew up. He had problems just like I did. High school, bullies, understanding girls.
And one day, I noticed letters in the back of the comics and the same guy whose name was on the front talked to us who read them. I was one of the "true believers" he spoke to. His name was Stan "The Man" Lee and he had some friends who helped draw the books.
I wrote to him, but never got a letter published. That didn't matter. I knew he read them, and that was enough. I followed FF and Spidey and Thor (back when Thor was Don Blake and smacked his cane on a wall in a cave). What matterred was that they were PEOPLE who had powers, not powerful beings with a secret identity. Like me, you know... Spidey was really Peter Parker (high school nerd), not Peter Parker hidden alias of Spidey.
The Thing was just a guy changed, not The Thing hiding as Ben Grimm. Etc. Other characters were included, all with some problems in their lives. By the time I went to college, I had a steamer trunk full of the "comics" master-minded by Stan Lee. And drawn by geniuses like Kirby and Romita.
I had no space at my college dorm for the steamer trunk, and other expenses to fill my days. When I got my first apartment, Mom told me I needed to take the steamer trunk of "junk" or she would throw it out. No, she didn't throw them away, I took it.
At 25, I still loved re-reading them. But I was also utterly poor and was eating hamburger-helper diluted with more hamburger-helper. I went to sell them.
None were in great condition. The comic book store guy didn't even want them. He showed me a dozen FF #1s in good condition (which mine weren't), selling for $1 each. But another guy was trying to open his own store and offerred me a nickle per issue regardless of condition. 500 comics times 5 cents was $25. It paid my rent for the month and some food. I never asked Dad for money after college.
Worst deal I ever made in a way, but rent is rent and food is food. I sure wish I had them back, though.
Stan Lee, et al, brightened my life before high school and after. His and other Marvel characters gave me the thought that a little luck and a lot of struggle could make you a good person, and that was worth trying for. One could do worse for heroes... And I knew who started them, Stan Lee.
And after decades, the movies started. Pretty good ones. I even loved the FF movies most people panned. Didn't matter, they were my heroes. Most movies ruin origins, and I hate that. But it didn't matter. I loved them all. They were both memories and dreams.
In my life with "comics", there was Marvel and there was DC. DC was for high school grads and drop-outs; Marvel was for college level. Superman fought idiots, The FF fought Dr Doom. DC characters had teen sidekicks; Spidey fought The Sandman. And was who he was because he let the person who killed his Uncle go loose and struggled with that all the time after. Not to mention Gwen Stacey. DC characters always started each day without much of a history, like a sitcom. Marvel characters carried their history with them every day.
They were damn near "real". Or at least human.
I loved the way Stan Lee showed up in all the movies. No one important, just a cameo as some passer-by in life. I'll miss that.
It's getting hard to type...
“Excelsior†and "Nuff Said", and Thank You Mr. Stanley Martin Lieber.
That was probably one of he more touching things I’ve read about Stan