The Waco Siege is getting a tv show and those who don't know who thee fuck David Koreesh was are saying some pretty ignorant shit and saying the goverment ought to have left those poor souls alone.
http://www.paramountnetwork.com/shows/waco
Face book's Paramount Page has been bugging me and when I step in the comment zone Lo and behold people defending the David Koresh and merry band of lunatics as they are being sieged by then Democratic goverment who wants to destroy Americas freedom...blah blah blah.
The BD were a death cult and were looking for every excuse to torch themselves. They were right nuts.
No doubt they'll use the footage that purports to show the tank recovery vehicle "torching" the building. Oddly, they always stop the footage at the "flash of fire". They have to stop there because the full footage shows the "flash" to be a piece of paper blowing around. Without lies like that their case is very weak.
Waco gets more coverage than I'm interested in. I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Quote from: SGOS on January 25, 2018, 06:33:32 AM
Waco gets more coverage than I'm interested in. I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Supposedly the storm troopers, having destroyed their own case against the Bundy clan, have dropped that trial entirely. So far, with Ruby Ridge, Waco, Bundy Ranch and Oregon ... the domestic security apparatus hasn't done a very competent job. And of course, they failed to detect the OKC bombing before it happened. Why? The only ones the FBI catches, are the ones where they are putting up patsies to do the job.
Quote from: SGOS on January 25, 2018, 06:33:32 AM
Waco gets more coverage than I'm interested in. I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Flaming fundies.
Quote from: Baruch on January 25, 2018, 07:04:29 AM
Supposedly the storm troopers, having destroyed their own case against the Bundy clan, have dropped that trial entirely.
Basically, all they've got on them is trespassing and appropriating public land. They are not going to pay what they owe for using it, and as long as they understand they can't take anything they want by force, I'm OK with that. Well, there is the thing about challenging law enforcement to a shootout. But I guess out west where it's just a 10 dollar fine for shooting up a bar, threatening to kill lawmen ain't nothin'. I mean with that amendment and all.
I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 25, 2018, 07:12:32 AM
Flaming fundies.
Well yeah, that part is always a lot of fun, but there's all that first part that's boring as Hell. I'm not going to sit there for two hours waiting around to watch the feds light 'em up.
Quote from: SGOS on January 25, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
I'm not sure what the appeal is.
Well yeah, that part is always a lot of fun, but there's all that first part that's boring as Hell. I'm not going to sit there for two hours waiting around to watch the feds light 'em up.
DVR + FFWD.
Well, yeah. There's that.
I was raised Seventh-day Adventist--which the Branch Davidians shot-off from--so always got really strange messages about Waco. On the on hand the church really wanted to distance itself from Branch Davidians and show that "we" were not a cult like they were, but at the same time it was repeatedly--if not officially--stressed that in the imminent "time of trouble" the government would come for "us" and "our" religious freedom just like it did with the Branch Davidians.
Quote from: Poison Tree on January 25, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
I was raised Seventh-day Adventist--which the Branch Davidians shot-off from--so always got really strange messages about Waco. On the on hand the church really wanted to distance itself from Branch Davidians and show that "we" were not a cult like they were, but at the same time it was repeatedly--if not officially--stressed that in the imminent "time of trouble" the government would come for "us" and "our" religious freedom just like it did with the Branch Davidians.
This is new information to me. I would have thought the Branch Davidians were something along the lines of Southern Baptists, although I can see a resemblance to other Mormon offshoots, like the isolated Mormon enclaves down in Southern Utah and Arizona. With Koresh in charge of mind control ordinarily done by the Mormon hierarchy and the organization set up by the church.
Koresh was just another "I get all the nooky" cult leader.
I'm sorry to have confused the 7th Day Adventists with the Mormons. I grew up in an area where the two groups seemed closely aligned, and I will no doubt continue to confuse the two for the rest of my life, probably not as blatantly as I just did, however.
Quote from: SGOS on January 26, 2018, 07:21:57 AM
I'm sorry to have confused the 7th Day Adventists with the Mormons. I grew up in an area where the two groups seemed closely aligned, and I will no doubt continue to confuse the two for the rest of my life, probably not as blatantly as I just did, however.
I didn't know they were closely aligned either, but they are both moronic...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 02:13:06 AM
I didn't know they were closely aligned either, but they are both moronic...
I don't know they are closely aligned. A couple of people just told me they were, and it's one of those things I was told, but not interested in enough to actually check. I've known a few 7th Days and a few Mormons. The 7th Days seemed to keep their religion to themselves, whereas the Mormons seemed to make a big deal about it. But we are not talking about enough numbers in my circle to draw conclusions from.
According to this article, https://classroom.synonym.com/difference-between-mormons-seventh-day-adventists-12082676.html they have few similarities. SDA does not acknowledge Joseph Smith as a Prophet, and sprang from a different charismatic leader. They both share the cult characteristic of "you can get in, but you can't get out." They are both kooky in nature (my opinion). Both date back to the 1830s. Both claim to be Christian, but reject mainstream Christian ideologies. But they are totally separate.
There is more than one kind of Mormonism, after Joseph Smith was killed. Only the largest group went to Utah.
This originated in Upstate NY ... is that where SDA comes from too? Those NE folks are kooks ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:25:11 AM
There is more than one kind of Mormonism, after Joseph Smith was killed. Only the largest group went to Utah.
This originated in Upstate NY ... is that where SDA comes from too? Those NE folks are kooks ;-)
All Mormons are kooks. Well, so are all theists. But "Maroni"?
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 10:25:11 AM
There is more than one kind of Mormonism, after Joseph Smith was killed. Only the largest group went to Utah.
This originated in Upstate NY ... is that where SDA comes from too? Those NE folks are kooks ;-)
Yes, SDA came out of the Millerite Movement, and the SDA was officially founded in the 1860s.
QuoteThe Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller, who in 1833 first shared publicly his belief that the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur in roughly the year 1843â€"1844.
Wow! A religion formed on an already failed prophecy. What a firm foundation to build on.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:42:02 AM
All Mormons are kooks. Well, so are all theists. But "Maroni"?
I think he was supposed to be an angel, but I don't know scripture well enough to know if he's in the Bible, or if Smith just made him up.
Quote from: SGOS on January 27, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
I think he was supposed to be an angel, but I don't know scripture well enough to know if he's in the Bible, or if Smith just made him up.
You should read about how the Mormon text was created. It's hilarious.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 10:42:02 AM
All Mormons are kooks. Well, so are all theists. But "Maroni"?
I prefer the angel, Macaroni.
We used to have a long time poster, who was descended from Brigham Young.
Quote from: SGOS on January 27, 2018, 01:25:34 PM
I think he was supposed to be an angel, but I don't know scripture well enough to know if he's in the Bible, or if Smith just made him up.
He made
all that shit up!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 02:10:35 PM
You should read about how the Mormon text was created. It's hilarious.
I actually have read a lot about it. I don't know how Smith was able to relate that with a straight face. Any thoughtful Mormon should have run away and headed for Florida with all his possessions thankful to be away from such a madhouse.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 27, 2018, 04:52:11 PM
He made all that shit up!
The only religious genius that the US has yet produced according to one biography. But not my ideal of America. Without Brigham Young, the Mormon Cricket (which isn't a cricket) would be called something else.
I don't know if he's America's only religious genius - L. Ron Hubbard's done pretty well.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 27, 2018, 05:01:08 PM
I don't know if he's America's only religious genius - L. Ron Hubbard's done pretty well.
Point taken. I like Frank Herbert ... Dune ... but there are no real Fremin or giant sand worms.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/01/waco-david-koresh
Great. Make David Koresh into a hero.
And blame the massacre on the Democrats and Clinton. Goddamn damn Facebook keeps spamming Paramount Pictures stories on great the cult was. And Libertarians/republicans are adding it to their arguments like sheep! FUCKING Sheep! And then when I try to to share shit it goes invisible. Their hiding to make people think I'm Insane but I know their propaganda is an evil virus.
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
Point taken. I like Frank Herbert ... Dune ... but there are no real Fremin or giant sand worms.
The Fremen were glorified Moslems, the spice was drugs, and the sandworms were government. I took a class.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
The Fremen were glorified Moslems, the spice was drugs, and the sandworms were government. I took a class.
Perhaps the Empire was the Church, what were the Hakonens ... capitalists? I would say the sandworms were the IRS ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2018, 07:59:25 PM
Perhaps the Empire was the Church, what were the Hakonens ... capitalists? I would say the sandworms were the IRS ;-)
No, it was on the test. The Harkonnens were the insects (wasps). That is why Sting had to play the role.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 04:55:15 AM
No, it was on the test. The Harkonnens were the insects (wasps). That is why Sting had to play the role.
That was good ;-)
Quote from: Cavebear on February 09, 2018, 05:22:39 AM
gelek sipasîya we dikim!
Did something kurd-le in your mouth?
Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2018, 01:14:08 PM
Did something kurd-le in your mouth?
I posted that for your enjoyment... I thought you needed to show you could get SOMETHING right once in a while.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 13, 2018, 12:23:43 AM
I posted that for your enjoyment... I thought you needed to show you could get SOMETHING right once in a while.
Google Translate gets something right one in awhile. My Egyptian Arabic teacher would deny it does.
Quote from: Baruch on February 13, 2018, 06:01:14 AM
Google Translate gets something right one in awhile. My Egyptian Arabic teacher would deny it does.
Well, who are you going to believe? One teacher or all of Google?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 13, 2018, 06:51:58 AM
Well, who are you going to believe? One teacher or all of Google?
Google is CIA ... and I know they are wrong in infinite ways.
Quote from: Baruch on February 13, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Google is CIA ... and I know they are wrong in infinite ways.
Google knows more about you than the CIA does. The CIA works on limited funds and some laws. Google is not limited in any way.