Based on a segment of this morning's latest poll showing the public reaction to Trump, I thought this might make a fun poll for the forum. The overall poll can be studied here:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-more-half-americans-strongly-disapprove-trump-n838926
But as a summary the poll also included these general voter reactions to Trump from most common to least. Where do you fit?
Disgusted
Scared
Hopeful
Proud
Angry
Personally, I could make a case for three of them, but one of them best describes me.
Angry? I'm too bored with his tweets, sex life, and general job behavior to be that angry. I try not to think about him.
Scared? Maybe I should be, but for some reason I still have optimism that we will endure. Not necessarily recover, but at least endure until I kick the bucket, so I don't spend a lot of energy on fear personally. Not to say the youth have no reason to fear.
Disgusted is where I fit, much like the rest of the fodder that were polled. I can't do anything about government. I just plod along as an observer, more or less disgusted by most of it, but mostly by Trump.
Here are the overall voter reactions by percent:
Disgusted 38%
Scared 24%
Hopeful 23%
Proud 12%
Angry 11%
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Unfortunately, projectile vomiting from the ears was not offered in the poll. Perhaps it was just an oversight.
Quote from: SGOS on January 19, 2018, 10:37:29 AM
Unfortunately, projectile vomiting from the ears was not offered in the poll. Perhaps it was just an oversight.
First choice in all political polls. I thought you knew that.
Quote from: SGOS on January 19, 2018, 10:17:51 AMBut as a summary the poll also included these general voter reactions to Trump from most common to least. Where do you fit?
Disgusted
Scared
Hopeful
Proud
Angry
Disgusted, but also hopeful.
The attacks on affordable healthcare, butchering of environmental protections, and malicious neglect of various government agencies (the EPA and the State Department come readily to mind) may provide just the right impetus to provoke a counter-reaction to bolster these areas in the long term.
Disgust. My main problem with Trump is his repeated lies make it impossible for me to trust anything he says. He's not a person of integrity.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 19, 2018, 12:17:35 PM
Disgust. My main problem with Trump is his repeated lies make it impossible for me to trust anything he says. He's not a person of integrity.
"I am the least untrustworthy person you'll ever meet. You know it they know it. They know it. Everyone knows it. I heard from a guy and he said...uhh...he said, 'Trump, you're so smart and handsome and carism...chari...likable, how come the the failing New York Times keeps lieing about me, I mean you?' And I said, I said, 'You know, the press often sometimes gets things wrong but they sometimes often get things right but this time it was wrong. Very wrong. They get stuff wrong and when people find out they get stuff wrong, they say that they got stuff wrong. I don't get stuff wrong. They do. I'm a quality guy. Believe me."
Entertained. He's like watching an old warner brothers cartoon slapstick like daffy duck being shot by elmer fudd.
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Scared to hopeful. I don't over-react. And the situation internal/external is overly militant/police state. Hopeful because I believe that humanity will pull thru.
Mortified.
Quote from: Munch on January 19, 2018, 12:32:33 PM
Entertained. He's like watching an old warner brothers cartoon slapstick like daffy duck being shot by elmer fudd.
If his influence was limited to TV speeches, I'd be right there with you.
But it gets a lot less comical when we get into a nuclear pissing match with North Korea, intensify Middle Eastern military involvement, and so many environmental regulations get rescinded that it looks like Captain Pollution is now in charge of US environmental policy.
Disgusted, mostly, but also scared for the future of the country.
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I have Some distance from it all, yet can't fully comprehend.
My gut reaction would be 'twilight zoned', like fascinated and horrified at watching a trainwreck.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 19, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I have Some distance from it all, yet can't fully comprehend.
My gut reaction would be 'twilight zoned', like fascinated and horrified at watching a trainwreck.
That was my reaction a year ago, but I got desensitized to the absurdity of it after awhile. Probably because it's real.
Oh, I can come up with a whole list of adjectives, without even reaching for my Roget's, although 'disgusted' is a good start.
Appalled, revolted, embarrassed (on behalf of my country, not for anything I did myself), angry, frustrated... oh hey, and there's one I haven't felt since the mid-80s: genuinely concerned about a nuclear exchange -- hey there little guy, it's been ages!
Quote from: SGOS on January 19, 2018, 04:32:26 PM
That was my reaction a year ago, but I got desensitized to the absurdity of it after awhile. Probably because it's real.
I can dig that.
Smallest of differences in pov: you found The absurd to be reality. I found reality to be absurd.
40% amused
60% schadenfreude
I don't think any of it is amusing.
Quote from: Mermaid on January 21, 2018, 05:00:24 PM
I don't think any of it is amusing.
sure it is! It creates such entertaining prospects.
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During the attempted coup d'état against Bill Clinton 20 years ago, I promised myself that I would never vote for another Republican until the last one who'd voted to impeach in the House, and the last one who'd voted to convict in the Senate, were out of the halls of Congress. I have so far not. I have not always voted Democratic, but I have never voted Republican since.
In the last 20 years, and especially these past eight years, and most especially the past two, the only thing the GOP has done is convince me to delete the condition beginning 'until'.
Quote from: trdsf on January 23, 2018, 01:24:49 AM
During the attempted coup d'état against Bill Clinton 20 years ago, I promised myself that I would never vote for another Republican until the last one who'd voted to impeach in the House, and the last one who'd voted to convict in the Senate, were out of the halls of Congress. I have so far not. I have not always voted Democratic, but I have never voted Republican since.
In the last 20 years, and especially these past eight years, and most especially the past two, the only thing the GOP has done is convince me to delete the condition beginning 'until'.
I haven't voted for a Republican for ONLY those reasons, but the last non-democrat I voted for was John Anderson in 1980. And it's not like I'm dedicated to the Democratic Party. They just don't offer the fanatical lunatics the Republicans do.
I was a Republican in the 70's. There were progressive ones then. Then they left me in favor of the bigoted Southerners and Mid-Westerners who thought "White Was Right" and the best times were in the late 1800s.
Yes, that Southern Strategy is a gift that keeps on giving ;-(
But John Anderson was a pretty liberal choice, as was McGovern and Mondale. I see Ford and Carter as more centrist. Because of the failures of McGovern, Carter and Mondale, is why we have the Right-wing Democratic party today (back to LBJ).
Quote from: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 01:56:50 AM
Yes, that Southern Strategy is a gift that keeps on giving ;-(
But John Anderson was a pretty liberal choice, as was McGovern and Mondale. I see Ford and Carter as more centrist. Because of the failures of McGovern, Carter and Mondale, is why we have the Right-wing Democratic party today (back to LBJ).
A "right-wing" Democratic Party?
When the Republicans refer to their party as "the party of Lincoln", I gag. The parties have switched ideologies since then (by Nixon after Goldwater). Today's Republicans claiming Lincoln as their model is like Swedes claiming they are a world military power (as they once were).
Quote from: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 02:30:28 AM
A "right-wing" Democratic Party?
When the Republicans refer to their party as "the party of Lincoln", I gag. The parties have switched ideologies since then (by Nixon after Goldwater). Today's Republicans claiming Lincoln as their model is like Swedes claiming they are a world military power (as they once were).
Yes, but I don't believe the Republicans aka Whigs ... were ever liberal to begin with. Lincoln was more useful to them as a martyr, than as a chief executive. And LBJ wasn't liberal either, he was an Asian killer, and cynically cemented Black-American second class citizenship to his own party with deliberately broken welfare. There was a brief Greening of the Dems from McGovern to Dukakis ... but the Clintons et al are cut from LBJ's coat-tails. And no, approving Gay marriage doesn't make you liberal ... just makes you guilty of identity politics.
Quote from: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 03:21:29 AM
Yes, but I don't believe the Republicans aka Whigs ... were ever liberal to begin with. Lincoln was more useful to them as a martyr, than as a chief executive. And LBJ wasn't liberal either, he was an Asian killer, and cynically cemented Black-American second class citizenship to his own party with deliberately broken welfare. There was a brief Greening of the Dems from McGovern to Dukakis ... but the Clintons et al are cut from LBJ's coat-tails. And no, approving Gay marriage doesn't make you liberal ... just makes you guilty of identity politics.
Imagine how shocked I am that we disagree on this... Go ahead, imagine my shock; I have time. Duh De Doh, De Da...
Ok, that's enough time.
The Whigs divided into Southern and Northern Whigs after Clay and Webster died before the 1852 election. The Southern Whigs joined the Southern Democrats and the Northern Whigs joined the emerging Republican Party that eventually elected Lincoln in 1860.
Lincoln was never a martyr before his death, of course; he only became one later. He was "liberal" for his time. He was one of the first Presidents to never own a slave, for example, and he foreswore the retribution that was common in his time.
But I constantly see the modern day Republicans claiming Lincoln as one of their own, and that annoys a crap out of me. Today's Republicans are yesterday's Dixiecrats, and todays Democrats are yesterday's Republicans. It all changed with Goldwater taking over the Republican Party in 1964 and Nixon completing the shift in 1968.
Nixon didn't give a rat's ass about the ideology; he merely saw a winning electoral strategy. But it stuck, and today we have the conservatives playing to a bigoted base while the Democrats becoming a party of progressive social actions.
So stop the nonsense about the Republicans being "the party of Lincoln", please...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 01:51:25 AM
I haven't voted for a Republican for ONLY those reasons, but the last non-democrat I voted for was John Anderson in 1980. And it's not like I'm dedicated to the Democratic Party. They just don't offer the fanatical lunatics the Republicans do.
I was a Republican in the 70's. There were progressive ones then. Then they left me in favor of the bigoted Southerners and Mid-Westerners who thought "White Was Right" and the best times were in the late 1800s.
Oh, sure -- while Democrats still had conservatives (usually from the South) in the 70s, Republicans still had liberals: Lowell Weicker, John Anderson, Nelson Rockefeller, others that I can't place off the top of my head. And then they decided they'd rather have the southern conservatives than the big-tent party they once were. Plant that one at Nixon's feet, he of the Southern Strategy. In the words of his political strategist:
Quote from: Kevin Phillips
From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.
The difference now, of course is that now they're so confident in their political hegemony through gerrymandering, they're going after the Voting Rights Act.
Democrats had the decency to repudiate their racist past. Republicans, on the other hand, consciously embraced a racist present and future.
Quote from: trdsf on January 24, 2018, 02:08:34 PM
Oh, sure -- while Democrats still had conservatives (usually from the South) in the 70s, Republicans still had liberals: Lowell Weicker, John Anderson, Nelson Rockefeller, others that I can't place off the top of my head.
Those were MY heroes!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 02:16:50 PM
Those were MY heroes!
Weicker was my favorite to watch during the Senate hearings. The 'R' after his name probably stood more for 'Really fed up with this bullshit'.
And even the moderate conservatives, like Howard Baker. You could disagree with them honorably and civilly, and then bang out a compromise that might not make everyone happy, but at least got the job done.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 01:51:25 AM
I haven't voted for a Republican for ONLY those reasons, but the last non-democrat I voted for was John Anderson in 1980.
I voted for that guy too. If memory serves there are only two Republicans I have voted for, John Anderson was one, and I voted for a county commissioner as the lesser of evils because the Democrat opponent was a total asshole. The Democrat won because the county was heavily democrat. He switched parties right after he won the election and became a Republican, and he was voted out in the election after that, even though the democrats had lost support as the mills closed down and the demographic changed.
Quote from: SGOS on January 25, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
I voted for that guy too. If memory serves there are only two Republicans I have voted for, John Anderson was one, and I voted for a county commissioner as the lesser of evils because the Democrat opponent was a total asshole. The Democrat won because the county was heavily democrat. He switched parties right after he won the election and became a Republican, and he was voted out in the election after that, even though the democrats had lost support as the mills closed down and the demographic changed.
I wasn't old enough to vote in '80, but that didn't stop me from stuffing envelopes and passing out flyers for Anderson. I think the last Republican I voted for was a local running for the state Senate in the mid '90s who ran to the
left of the Democrat, who had made himself toxic by making a couple unforgivably homophobic statements in a district where rainbow flags fly from just about every other house, while she was already known as a friend of the local (and large) LGBT community. Last time I can think of that local Stonewall endorsed a Republican.
Quote from: SGOS on January 25, 2018, 12:00:24 PM
I voted for that guy too. If memory serves there are only two Republicans I have voted for, John Anderson was one, and I voted for a county commissioner as the lesser of evils because the Democrat opponent was a total asshole. The Democrat won because the county was heavily democrat. He switched parties right after he won the election and became a Republican, and he was voted out in the election after that, even though the democrats had lost support as the mills closed down and the demographic changed.
The lower the office, the less party matters. But it IS easier to get the nuts out of the way at the bottom than at the top.