http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-city-mosque-gun-shots-1.3957686)
QuoteQuebec City Police say several people are dead after shots were fired inside a mosque on Sunday night during evening prayers.Multiple people are also feared wounded. Their condition is not known at this time.
Quebec City Police Const. Étienne Doyon said mostly men were gathered inside the Islamic cultural centre of Quebec in the Sainte-Foy neighbourhood when the shooting began just before 8 p.m.
The president of the centre, Mohammed Yangui, said at least five people were killed, but that information has not been confirmed by police.
He added that he thought somewhere between 60 and 100 people were inside when the shooting began.
At the moment of the attack, the men were praying on the ground floor of the building, while women and children were upstairs.
Quebec Premier Philippe Couillard said the shooting is an act of terrorism.
Two suspects have been arrested, one of whom was apprehended after a chase that ended near l'île d'Orléans.
A large perimeter has been set up around the mosque.
Quebec City Police said they are working with the RCMP and the Quebec provincial police. At 10:40 p.m. police said the "situation is under control."
"The building is secure and the occupants evacuated. The investigation continues," wrote Quebec City Police on Twitter.
A witness, who asked to remain anonymous, told CBC's French-language service Radio-Canada that two masked individuals entered the mosque.
"It seemed to me that they had a Quebecois accent. They started to fire, and as they shot they yelled, 'Allahu akbar!' The bullets hit people that were praying. People who were praying lost their lives. A bullet passed right over my head," said the witness.
"There were even kids. There was even a three-year-old who was with his father."
Same day a mosque about an hour away from me, vandalized several times, burned down.
But not Canadian/US stormtroopers, right? A few years back, we had a rash of church burnings, including one in my town. It wasn't an apocalypse. The Black congregation rebuilt (yes, it was a Black congregation that was hit here). It was firebombed by one of two homeless men who were living together ... it had no political or religious reason.
Of course unfortunate that this happened ... but in the US, mosques are most frequently associated with Blacks, not with Arabs ... except around Detroit.
Those Trump loving, gun toting, Bible thumping, redneck, white supremacists must be stopped.
This is what happens when the mental illness of Comrade Don the Orange Fuhrer infects people's minds. The cure to right-wing nutterism is education (which is why right-wingers hate academics, universities and intellectuals). (Actually, anyone who opposes intellectuals is admitting he's stupid.)
As far as I have read on the web, the gunmen were Muslims.
Apparently it was some minor theological disagreement, which was solved in the traditional Islamic manner with their preferred tool, the AK 47.
Allahu akbar.
Quote from: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
As far as I have read on the web, the gunmen were Muslims.
Apparently it was some minor theological disagreement, which was solved in the traditional Islamic manner with their preferred tool, the AK 47.
Allahu akbar.
Interesting. So I thought all Muslims were United against us, and that Islam is unquestionable and unchangeable. How could they have theological differences?
Quote from: Atheon on January 30, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
This is what happens when the mental illness of Comrade Don the Orange Fuhrer infects people's minds. The cure to right-wing nutterism is education (which is why right-wingers hate academics, universities and intellectuals). (Actually, anyone who opposes intellectuals is admitting he's stupid.)
The PM of Canada is very liberal. And Canadians aren't Americans, eh. There are plenty of people, who aren't racist, who might target an Arabic Mosque.
White nationalist terrorist attacking Muslims in a mosque... maybe we should deny entry to white people, because there are terrorists amid their ranks.
Yes, white nationalist.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805163
Marksmanship needs to be dramatically improved. How sad, 50 scum, and he only killed 5. It was a good start.
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Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
The PM of Canada is very liberal. And Canadians aren't Americans, eh. There are plenty of people, who aren't racist, who might target an Arabic Mosque.
A smart Atheist would. Anyone who is an atheist and defends islamic scum is obtuse. They want to kill all who do not belong to their death cult.
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Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
The PM of Canada is very liberal. And Canadians aren't Americans, eh. There are plenty of people, who aren't racist, who might target an Arabic Mosque.
Alexandre Bissonnette was a apparently a fan of Trump and Le Pen, and was known among those who knew him to hold rather extreme right-wing sentiments. And then he went to a mosque and shot innocent Muslims. So yes, I would call him an Islamophobic bigot. All of these are highly correlated with racism, so the likelihood of him being a racist is extremely high.
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So, not the Moroccan, but a local guy ... much like the young man just sentenced to death in the US for shooting up a church. Very disturbed young men. This is why, back in the day, you drafted such young men, and let them work their terror overseas ;-(
Hopefully he will be recognized as a terrorist, and not just a "lone wolf" with "emotional problems".
Not only Muslims and brown-skinned people are terrorists. Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, abortion clinic bombers, etc. were terrorists too.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2017, 11:05:35 PM
So, not the Moroccan, but a local guy ... much like the young man just sentenced to death in the US for shooting up a church. Very disturbed young men. This is why, back in the day, you drafted such young men, and let them work their terror overseas ;-(
Oh, yeah, when racists target and kill many people, they're not Christian white-supremacist terrorists, they're "disturbed young men." But when a Muslim kills anyone they're a fanatical Islamic terrorist bent on the destruction of America and Christianity.
yeah, right.
10 worst examples of Christian or far-right terrorism (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/)
Gave a like, but for me, a terrorist has to be part of an organization. Lone wolves aren't unless you have conspiracy theory input. One could imagine that Timothy McVeigh was part of a vast Right wing conspiracy ... of just part of one involving a few people as disturbed as he was.
To me a terrorist is someone who aims to send a political message by carrying out an atrocity. He didn't go in there because he had a grudge against the six people he killed. His target was the Muslim community in general.
Quote from: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
As far as I have read on the web, the gunmen were Muslims.
Apparently it was some minor theological disagreement, which was solved in the traditional Islamic manner with their preferred tool, the AK 47.
Allahu akbar.
That awkward moment when you are so busy screaming Muslim, that you don't realise the shooter was someone who thinks just like you and shares your own ideology.
Those who point the finger first and yell the loudest...
Quote from: pr126 on January 30, 2017, 10:56:46 AM
Those Trump loving, gun toting, Bible thumping, redneck, white supremacists must be stopped.
Well, 3 out of 5 at least correct. Oops.
Quote from: Atheon on February 01, 2017, 08:52:30 PM
To me a terrorist is someone who aims to send a political message by carrying out an atrocity. He didn't go in there because he had a grudge against the six people he killed. His target was the Muslim community in general.
Definitely a bigot ... and has definitely terrorized snowflakes. So the US helping ISIS brutally murder people, isn't terrorism?
Most people currently associate terrorism with Muslims because that's the current agenda being pushed on the public at large, but US code (in the US and very likely most other nations ) defines it as such..
QuoteThe U.S. Code of Federal Regulations defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
Surprise, no mention of religion there or of political viewpoint, just the furtherance of political or social objectives which should and could include far right and left ideology among other factors. Right now terrorism is being defined as anything contrary to the current occupants of Washington and skin color and /or religious preferences.
Look, if any of us decided to set off bombs in crowded places for no other reason than we like things that go boom and NOT to further some political or social agenda we would very likely be labeled as terrorists instead of batshit crazy criminals and there IS a difference, but let's not let the facts get in the way. Merely killing and scaring the shit out of people doesn't necessarily make you a terrorist.
From everything I've read about the case in Quebec it was a terrorist attack, but I have no idea what was actually going on in the guys head. That will be left up to the powers that be to decide. Had it occurred on US soil I strongly suspect that it would be labeled as a mere batshit crazy criminal act. After all, he didn't go after lilly white christian people.