http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/politics/trump-keystone-xl-dakota-access-pipelines-executive-actions/ (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/24/politics/trump-keystone-xl-dakota-access-pipelines-executive-actions/)
QuotePresident Donald Trump on Tuesday signed executive actions to advance approval of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines.
The decision to advance the pipelines cast aside efforts by President Barack Obama's administration to block construction of the two pipelines, while making good on one of Trump's campaign promises.
As he signed the documents Tuesday in the Oval Office, Trump also vowed to "renegotiate some of the terms" of the Keystone bill and said he would then seek to "get that pipeline built."
Trump also issued executive actions declaring oil pipelines constructed in the US should be built with US materials, streamlining the regulatory process for pipeline construction and shortening the environmental review process.
Trump during his campaign said he would streamline the approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, which was stalled for years in the Obama administration until Obama denied approval for the pipeline's construction altogether in November 2015.
And Trump said for the first time in December that he supported construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline, which stalled last year amid protests opposing its construction on Native American lands. The Obama administration denied the company a permit it needed to complete the pipeline late last year.
President Trump is legally required to honor our treaty rights and provide a fair and reasonable pipeline process," said Standing Rock Sioux Tribe chairman Dave Archambault II in a statement. "Americans know this pipeline was unfairly rerouted towards our nation and without our consent. The existing pipeline route risks infringing on our treaty rights, contaminating our water and the water of 17 million Americans downstream."
Environmental groups and activists were also quick to slam the decision, with Tom Steyer, the president of NextGen Climate, accusing the Trump administration of putting "corporate interests ahead of American interests."
"The pipelines are all risk and no reward, allowing corporate polluters to transport oil through our country to be sold on the global market, while putting our air and water at serious risk," he said in a statement.
Meanwhile, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, a Democrat from North Dakota where the Dakota Access Pipeline is being built, welcomed the move, as did Sen. Joe Manchin, a Democrat from West Virginia.
"What this country needs is more jobs, and that is why I have always been a proponent of the Keystone XL Pipeline and was an original cosponsor of legislation approving the Keystone XL Pipeline project," Manchin, who has already supported several of Trump's nominees and initiatives, said in a statement. "With a majority of Americans in support of the Keystone XL pipeline's construction, I'm glad we are finally moving forward with this important project."
Just as Trump on Tuesday flicked to the need to "renegotiate" the Keystone XL pipeline terms, Trump during his campaign argued not just for quick approval of the pipeline, which would shuttle oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico, but also said he would push for a deal that would grant US taxpayers a share of the profits. Trump said that the US would approve the pipeline while also seeking a "better deal."
Trump's approval of both pipelines are early signs of how his administration will take a drastically different approach to energy and environmental issues. Beyond approving the pipelines, Trump has also vowed to slash environmental protection regulations and has nominated several skeptics of the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change to key Cabinet posts dealing with environmental issues.
So he is passing one of the worst environmental disaster threats in recent memory, is cutting down regulations on the environmental research about it, and is threatening infringing upon treaties with other sovereign states (the Sioux Nation)...
Is it still too early to judge Trump?
This is what I feared might happen. And not long after Obama did the right thing and rejected the XL pipeline, too. :(
Well, we're looking at President Drill Baby Drill for the next 4 years. I hope you guys like protests and widespread public discontent, because that's what we're in for from here on out.
The Koch brothers want pipelines, Warren Buffet prefers tanker cars ... this is one billionaire against another. Don't like billionaires, then tax their wealth so they are only millionaires. Obama wasn't being fair, he was just as payed off as Trump is.
Hillary should have come right out and said she opposed the pipeline in her campaign, and made it a talking point. She might have won. Instead, she seemed to ignore the issue.
I have my doubts she have even opposed it.
I don't consider the Sioux as a sovereign state.
Sanders openly opposed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OvuVef71TU
He had the correct position on climate change and the XL pipeline. In the future, we would do well to support a candidate who closely matches his position.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 25, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
I don't consider the Sioux as a sovereign state.
The United States treaty with the various Native Nations does though, and that is what is important. Several tribes have international delegations, passports, etc. that while the United States doesn't recognize... most other civilized countries do. Comparable to China and Tibet... except we might be even worse than the Chinese.
Quote from: Atheon on January 25, 2017, 07:35:28 AM
Hillary should have come right out and said she opposed the pipeline in her campaign, and made it a talking point. She might have won. Instead, she seemed to ignore the issue.
She was probably waiting for Koch or Buffet money into the Clinton Fund.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 25, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
I don't consider the Sioux as a sovereign state.
Yes and no, per treaties and current courts. But under George W we got a new Eminent Domain ... so the Feds could just take it.
Then do so. Makes little difference to me, they lost the war a long time ago. Time to stop fighting.
God dammit, Donald, I was almost starting to like you after you pulled out of TPP.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 25, 2017, 02:11:22 PM
Then do so. Makes little difference to me, they lost the war a long time ago. Time to stop fighting.
I see no reason why they should stop fighting?
The fighting has only just begun, I fear. Non-violent Native Americans vs extremely violent mercenaries funded by Chump and his billionaire cronies.
Who'll win?
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 25, 2017, 02:49:46 PM
God dammit, Donald, I was almost starting to like you after you pulled out of TPP.
Not enough money offered. TTiP and Tisa are still live (Europe on a platter, like a pig with an apple).
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 25, 2017, 04:53:24 PM
The fighting has only just begun, I fear. Non-violent Native Americans vs extremely violent mercenaries funded by Chump and his billionaire cronies.
Who'll win?
Ticket scalpers? (sorry, bad joke, had to do it).
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 24, 2017, 10:37:25 PM
This is what I feared might happen. And not long after Obama did the right thing and rejected the XL pipeline, too. :(
Well, we're looking at President Drill Baby Drill for the next 4 years. I hope you guys like protests and widespread public discontent, because that's what we're in for from here on out.
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If anyone thought Trump would stop a pipe line, save a tree, a bear, or not fuck up a Florida wet land, that would be very naïve. He is a real state developer.
This is little peanuts in the grand scheme because he now wants to reinstitute torture as the go to for foreign policy.
If our congress had any spine AT ALL they would inform him that if he does he'll be remanded over to the Hague to stand charges as a war criminal IMMEDIATELY. However, they don't and won't.
Quote from: Baruch on January 25, 2017, 07:06:18 PM
Ticket scalpers? (sorry, bad joke, had to do it).
Indeed, a very bad joke, considering it was the whites who began the practice against the indigenous occupants of the New World!
Scalping: Fact & Fantasy (https://www.manataka.org/page1438.html)
QuoteStereotypes are absorbed from popular literature, folklore, and misinformation. For instance, many children (and adults) incorrectly believe that fierce native warriors were universally fond of scalping early white settlers and soldiers. In fact, when it came to the bizarre practice of scalping, Europeans were the ones who encouraged and carried out much of the scalping that went on in the history of white/native relations in America.
Doesn't excuse the natives from taking up a bad English practice. They are supposed to decapitate with a sword or axe as I recall ... tomahawks were puny. Ever read any of the "settler" narratives about criminal native behavior (natives had their criminals too, not just the settlers). Pretty much how African-American young men are viewed today, unfortunately for all parties concerned. Of course Europeans never were cruel to women and children captives (cough).
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on January 26, 2017, 09:18:41 AM
This is little peanuts in the grand scheme because he now wants to reinstitute torture as the go to for foreign policy.
If our congress had any spine AT ALL they would inform him that if he does he'll be remanded over to the Hague to stand charges as a war criminal IMMEDIATELY. However, they don't and won't.
Torture isn't used to get information ... it is used to dehumanize a victim into sub-human status. Human captives wouldn't be tortured. But then modern people aren't civilized, are we?
Quote from: Baruch on January 26, 2017, 06:19:20 PM
Torture isn't used to get information ... it is used to dehumanize a victim into sub-human status. Human captives wouldn't be tortured. But then modern people aren't civilized, are we?
I am not dead because the locals "interrogated" a few people.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 27, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
I am not dead because the locals "interrogated" a few people.
You aren't dead because of the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo etc. Unless you live in a bad neighborhood in the US, you have never been in danger in the US.
Quote from: Baruch on January 27, 2017, 07:55:17 PM
You aren't dead because of the firebombing of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo etc. Unless you live in a bad neighborhood in the US, you have never been in danger in the US.
Who the fuck said anything about this being in the US, please?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 27, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
Who the fuck said anything about this being in the US, please?
You aren't currently living in the US, or lived in the US in the past? You were implying that "you felt threatened" by ... some folks. That without the cops ... you would be robbed raped and murdered instantly on US streets.
Do you really think that a guy from the white supremicist generation is going to have any respect for native Americans?
Let's be clear on native American treaties. There were a great many treaties made after the Constitution was written. Now if you want to talk about whether or not the native Americans were given a written copy, or if you want to talk about the U.S. representatives conveniently loosing their copy is a different story.
If you want to be cynical well... the U.S. has a history full of breaking tresties and promises. Why should native Americans be treated any differently. Most recent example George Bush Sr promised Russia that NATO would never be expanded in eastern Europe. Then George Bush Jr put a missile defense system in Poland.
I wonder if any of that DAPL oil will go to fuel this country, or will be sold on the world market (i.e., to China)?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 28, 2017, 05:45:37 PM
I wonder if any of that DAPL oil will go to fuel this country, or will be sold on the world market (i.e., to China)?
World market aka China. All the gold is going to China for the last 10 years. They are opening up a new big gold mine someplace ... it is all going to China. The Rothschilds and the Swiss are intermediaries.
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2017, 04:24:20 AM
You aren't currently living in the US, or lived in the US in the past? You were implying that "you felt threatened" by ... some folks. That without the cops ... you would be robbed raped and murdered instantly on US streets.
And you're going for the gold standard in waffling I see. I implied jack shit about cops in the US, or anybody else in the US for that matter. Get your head out of your ass at least annually.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 29, 2017, 02:51:03 PM
And you're going for the gold standard in waffling I see. I implied jack shit about cops in the US, or anybody else in the US for that matter. Get your head out of your ass at least annually.
Write more intelligible comments ... and I won't have to Ouija board them ;-)
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