Young people always try to escape the dark shadow of their parents ... I did. Some manage this by never growing up, never getting a job, never getting married, never raising children. But most find some other way ... usually by turning into their parents. The cultural details vary from generation to generation, but this is just window dressing. Revolutionaries are organized young people, who want to kill the past. This is a bad thing usually. I found a way to cooperate with my parents and with the past ... there was no need to kill either.
I believe in Millennials. I don't think there is anything bad with them as a group, or any other age cohort.
I have a hard time imagening you young, Baruch. And that is an expression free of sarcasm and intended offense, should you be inclined to take.
Millenials sure ain't no nineties-kids, but then again, kids from the eighties tended to look down on us. Perhaps it's The privilige and curse of the older sibling to look down at the younger generation and see wasted potential rather than potential realized.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 11, 2017, 11:58:05 AM
I have a hard time imagening you young, Baruch. And that is an expression free of sarcasm and intended offense, should you be inclined to take.
Millenials sure ain't no nineties-kids, but then again, kids from the eighties tended to look down on us. Perhaps it's The privilige and curse of the older sibling to look down at the younger generation and see wasted potential rather than potential realized.
At one time I was so introverted from stammering and terrible shyness, I could never have imagined expressing myself, like I do today. I rather like your beneficent POV ... other people are much more bitter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0x7ho_IYc)
If an oxcart gets stuck in the mud, do you blame the ox or do you blame the driver?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 12, 2017, 01:06:03 AM
If an oxcart gets stuck in the mud, do you blame the ox or do you blame the driver?
I would blame the ox. It should know better.
After all, it is the ox getting the extra whipping to get the cart out of the mud.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 12, 2017, 01:06:03 AM
If an oxcart gets stuck in the mud, do you blame the ox or do you blame the driver?
You should stick to art theme anologies, because that^ is meaningless, esp. considering the anti-sjws are blaming the mud. To be precise the water that turned the dirt into mud.
The 'mud' is the accumulation of knowledge of western civilisation and the process of that understanding becoming the culture and creating the real life circumstances; socio scultural structure through the economical and political system, which now you as an individual, live in it. It has an ongoing history of development and evolution of 2500 years. It's still on. This doesn't have a linear, correct or incorrect path with traffic signs.
The 'water' is the series of critical theories following, flowing over each other through time, still running, the last, greatest one being the 'evil' Marxism.
It's the oldest push and pull. And you are an organic part of it as a millennial yourself. You are not out of what that video explains.
The reaction; occurance of sjws, and 'the millennial response' over all is a part of that process any extreme tendency associated with that movement is the ordinary marginal slice every movement has. And it's not a coincidence this is happening in America.
Movements come and go, they change, get renewed, die..etc. No, generation can single handedly create a stable tardition of it.
But what is so dangerously alarming about anti-sjws is the ignorance and anti-intellectualism they promote. EXACTLY like the religious people, they think the western scholarship of social sciences is making up stories and concepts how you like it and it is designed to wipe them out. And they are not the extremist, marginal part of anti-sjws movement, but the very defintion of it. It's their produced argument in reaction.
There are countless videos made by white males, radio shows juggling political and sociological terms without any meaning or unable to follow some sort of discourse supposedly 'shitting' on one of the greatest critical theory produced by western civilisation that evolved the western societies itself, as if it is some sort of an economical or political regime. And they are successful, because while the audience has no real concept of the possible relations between the sub and super structure of its own society, the name of it is the boogieman of the culture.
They are so severely dumbed down, they actually believe and preach that there is some sort of a norm of 'Marxist movement' in their country to change the sturcture of their culture fundamentally.
Not one man in the group, willing to think for a moment to recognise this whole bullshit as an adapted, adjusted version of the right wing propaganda promoted by the basic standards of commercial marketing.
Why? Because American society has the collective memory of an aquarium fish. Because everyone is out to get the white class, starting with males. If you are not at the same side with them, you are an enemy. If you are not an apple, you are clearly a banana.
And of course they severely need that knife set, because it is obviously impossible to live without it.
According to the definitions used here, apparently I'm a millenial.
I always thought myself more a late part of the 90's kids, being born in '91. Never concidered myself a millenial. Not starting now either, I don't have especially a lot in common with those born 10 years after me.
"Because American society has the collective memory of an aquarium fish" more than you know. An aquarium fish is always looking at the side of the tank, which to him is a mirror, and he is only seeing his own narcissistic reflection ;-)
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 12, 2017, 05:09:12 AM
According to the definitions used here, apparently I'm a millenial.
I always thought myself more a late part of the 90's kids, being born in '91. Never concidered myself a millenial. Not starting now either, I don't have especially a lot in common with those born 10 years after me.
It's not like it really matters. If you remember, only one generation, baby boomers, are even recognized by the the census bureau. Just because you feel like you belong to a certain group doesn't mean you're exempt from the whole either, it just means that you most likely see yourself in a subgroup. Not feeling like you feel connected to kids born in the 2000s is also kind of weird to feel because at that point a generation would have been moving slowly into generation X. Now let me ask you a question, would you say that you have a connection with kids born in the 80's?
Is it time to pull out that Socrates quote about kids today?
Quote from: SGOS on January 12, 2017, 07:57:31 AM
Is it time to pull out that Socrates quote about kids today?
I don't know, are you to the cave entrance close enough? :ppp
Quote from: Journey_To_Mars on January 12, 2017, 07:42:37 AM
It's not like it really matters. If you remember, only one generation, baby boomers, are even recognized by the the census bureau. Just because you feel like you belong to a certain group doesn't mean you're exempt from the whole either, it just means that you most likely see yourself in a subgroup. Not feeling like you feel connected to kids born in the 2000s is also kind of weird to feel because at that point a generation would have been moving slowly into generation X. Now let me ask you a question, would you say that you have a connection with kids born in the 80's?
My brother and sister were born in Eighties. :p
If I had a say in 'marking' my generation, it'd probably be from tops 1985 to tops 1995. Or '86 and '96. If you are in that agerange, I see potential to equivalency of where we are at in our lives.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 12, 2017, 08:54:06 AM
My brother and sister were born in Eighties. :p
If I had a say in 'marking' my generation, it'd probably be from tops 1985 to tops 1995. Or '86 and '96. If you are in that agerange, I see potential to equivalency of where we are at in our lives.
You are from a more evolved culture in comparison. This is not just something about periods of time.
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2017, 05:01:49 AM
I would blame the ox. It should know better.
After all, it is the ox getting the extra whipping to get the cart out of the mud.
lol that's like when you play a MarioKart 64 and you press the "a" button harder to make your car go faster.
Also. the funny thing about when these people try to make a point by showing a google search, or even the start of a google search and seeing the predicted searches....
Google uses analytics to predict these things. Bing does too. If it's a major search engine, it's going to have a huge number of results on the exact topic you search for. Also, google, for instance, will show predicted searches based on what that user has already searched for. I don't think if you guys press the "s" key in to google on your browser, the first couple predicted searches is going to be "stream to facebook via OBS" and "sparks this town" (see my screenshot I took and attatched)
Why did that stuff show up for me? Because I was searching it. If you're constantly searching a certain narrative, or trying to search ways to push your narrative, you begin to get a vortex of your own echo. A personal 1-man echochamber that seems like it's more relevant than it actually is to reality. If I keep searching "girls like guys who forcefully advance on them sexually" the analytics will reverberate back and make me think it's true, even though it's not. Or at least that there are proportionately more people that think that than there is.
If you search something on google, you're going to get a massive amount of results. If I search Hitler loved everyone, the first thing that comes up for me is "The hitler we loved and why"... also on there... "10 reasons Hitler was one of the good guys"... See attached image #2... you and I know that Hitler was a genocidal maniac and we would not, by even the slightest call him one of the "good guys", but if you search it, it will show up. False narratives or true narratives and anything in between. If you search it, it will show up.
That all said, I don't necessarily disagree with the original post. I actually think it's pretty interesting and brings up a few good points. I do think people have to stop using google searches as evidence of relevance... or evidence of.... anything.
Here is another good video on the subject of generations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 12, 2017, 02:03:56 PM
Here is another good video on the subject of generations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ
I wanted to use this video as well but I decided that the one I used would better fit the narrative my argument.
Usually Generation X says they don't exist, because marketers jump from Baby Boomers to Millennials. So yes, this whole thing is a marketing concept. Do you claim that marketing doesn't exist? My Millennial daughter will be surprised to learn that she doesn't exist. She was always trending toward Buddhism anyway ;-)
I'm not claiming that marketing doesn't exist at all, I just wanted something that more fully got the picture across that we would always be talking about the next group of kids as being less bright than when they were kids.
Quote from: Journey_To_Mars on January 12, 2017, 08:05:45 PM
I'm not claiming that marketing doesn't exist at all, I just wanted something that more fully got the picture across that we would always be talking about the next group of kids as being less bright than when they were kids.
Every generation looks down on the next, adults are taller than children ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 13, 2017, 07:44:31 AM
Every generation looks down on the next, adults are taller than children ;-)
But only children have the potential to outgrow the adult.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 12, 2017, 01:06:03 AM
If an oxcart gets stuck in the mud, do you blame the ox or do you blame the driver?
Frankly I'd blame the mud first then the driver.
Well I was born in the 1930's so don't know what a "millenial" is.
Quote from: Ro3bert on January 13, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Well I was born in the 1930's so don't know what a "millenial" is.
You must make calls with a Seeing iPhone. Is your white cane bluetoothed?
Quote from: Ro3bert on January 13, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
Well I was born in the 1930's so don't know what a "millenial" is.
Whoa! We have someone here older than I am.
Welcome Ro3bert.