http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-family-brutalized-texas-reporting-assault-article-1.2920020 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-black-family-brutalized-texas-reporting-assault-article-1.2920020)
QuoteIn Fort Worth, Texas, yesterday, a 46-year-old mother, Jacqueline Craig, reported to the Fort Worth Police Department that a fully grown, bearded white man in her neighborhood put his hands on her 7-year-old son and choked him. Her teenage daughters were with her while she was making the report and had sense enough to record her making the report on Facebook Live.
Clearly, black folk already know good and well that something simple like this is never simple with police in our country. It's good that the exchange was filmed, because what unfolded, and what this racist officer said, would not be believed had it not been captured on film.
As Jacqueline calmly and reasonably explains to the officer what this man did to her 7-year-old son, she tells him that the man said he confronted her son because the boy threw a piece of paper on the ground. As she proceeds to tell the officer that the man then choked her son, the officer actually asks her, "why don't you teach your son not to litter?" â€" then proceeds to basically tell the mother that the man had every right to choke her son.
As any rational human being would, the mother gets upset. She's holding it together, but she's stumped. And I get it â€" because when I saw this officer, in response to her saying her 7-year-old son was choked, ask her why she didn't teach her son not to litter, my blood started boiling. When I first saw the video, I didn't know what was about to unfold and I thought I had seen the worst. I was already so angry I was almost shaking.
I have a 7-year-old. If a man choked my 7-year-old, police might be filing a police report for murder. And to hear this cop basically say that black lives don't matter, and that it was all because she hadn't taught him right, infuriated me. Jacqueline then told the officer that his words upset her. He then responds and basically says that if she doesn't shut up, he'll be upset.
Jacqueline's teenage daughter then steps in front of her to calm her down and separate her from the officer. Then, in that moment, everything took a terrible turn for the worse. The officer then starts grabbing and slamming everybody to the ground. He grabs the teenage daughters and handcuffs them. He grabs the mother, wrestles her to the ground, and arrests her as well.
As of early this morning, the mother and her teenage daughters were still in jail.
This is the reality of being black in America.
I am mostly white, and even I don't like being around officers because I simply have enough experience to know you cant trust them unless you come from money. I can't imagine how it must feel for people even more "suspicious" and who "look like criminals" to have to worry about, "Shit, if I call the cops because someone just assaulted my son... will I be the one thrown to the ground and arrested instead?".
Also Hispanic. It happened to a Hispanic family in Moore OK a few years ago. The mother and teen daughter were arguing in the parking lot outside of the Mall. The dad called the cops. The cops ended up shooting the dad. The cops work for the 1% and for the other cops ... they don't work for peasants. This isn't just racism.
When I read the title, I just right away thought Florida.
meh, watched the video. Cop was talking to the man and probably read the incident as a gross exaggeration made my a mama who don't like her neighbor. Mama didn't see what happened, probably entranced on facebook and had no idea what her brat kid was up to.
I'd demand some pissant throwing wrappers on my lawn to pick it up. Brat didn't go running back to mama, probably looked the guy in the face and said "you aint my daddy"...
And we see mama ain't got no manners...
I do feel sorry for the daughter who tried to step between mama and the cop. Any charges against her should be dropped.
Just think of the great lesson that could have been taught to that 7 year old if mama had marched his sorry ass back to the neighbor to apologize for littering and sassing back.
The cop should have told the woman to teach her kids some manners then got in the car and left. He allowed himself to get manipulated. Dumb fuck...and for that he should get whacked.
Quote from: Munch on December 22, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
When I read the title, I just right away thought Florida.
I was thinking Alabama.
Florida is not quite that backward.
Saw this on /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut this morning. Absolutely infuriating.
Quotemeh, watched the video. Cop was talking to the man and probably read the incident as a gross exaggeration made my a mama who don't like her neighbor. Mama didn't see what happened, probably entranced on facebook and had no idea what her brat kid was up to.
I'd demand some pissant throwing wrappers on my lawn to pick it up. Brat didn't go running back to mama, probably looked the guy in the face and said "you aint my daddy"...
And we see mama ain't got no manners...
Sooooo... blame the victim, because he was probably guilty and deserved it, or was lying. Great.
This is a matter of consistent to me... if blaming the rape victim is wrong, blaming any victim should be wrong. We cant pick and choose when we want the law to protect people and when we don't.
And I don't mean that as in, "This guy should be charged with assault!"... but the cops, and several posters here, first reaction is, "Meh, he was probably asking for it, so who cares?." That is not what the law is about, that's not what the law is for and that is not what we should be promoting the law to stand for.
All topped off with some lovely classism. Nice.
QuoteI do feel sorry for the daughter who tried to step between mama and the cop. Any charges against her should be dropped.
Just think of the great lesson that could have been taught to that 7 year old if mama had marched his sorry ass back to the neighbor to apologize for littering and sassing back.
I think he learned an even more important one... don't expect cops to give a shit about their job, and expect people to justify their shitty behaviour.
Also... proof he littered, on that guy's property, please (not that justifies his actions).
QuoteFlorida is not quite that backward.
We must be talking about different Floridas.
Who will guard the guards? And cops don't work for you or me, and some of them are assholes. Just avoid them at all cost, unless some communist is robbing your mansion.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
Sooooo... blame the victim, because he was probably guilty and deserved it, or was lying. Great.
I have no sympathy for litter bugs. I don't think the white guy is making up the story, simply because he would have made up a better reason for fucking with the kid. Made a few of my kids friends pick up the wrappers they tossed on my ground. Pick it up or go home and don't come back until you learn how to behave. But I had that kind of power over their behavior, they LIKED my place.
Those same kids, now that they are grown-ups would tell you I was right to demand that kind of behavior from them. Now that they have a greater understanding of treating others the way you want to be treated (hint for baby's mama).
Who is the victim that I am blaming? The victim is the white guy, trying to keep his property neat and some little pissant, who hasn't been taught the basics of throwing your garbage away in a trash can fucks with his day.
Quote from: article belowAt some point the officer asked the her why she didn’t teach her son not to litter. She responded by saying whether her child did or not, the man didn’t have the right to choke him.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/12/22/fort-worth-police-investigating-alleged-officer-misconduct-in-arrest-of-mother-daughter/Personally, I don't believe the man choked the kid. Period. I do not believe the kid was choked. Grabbed, sure, I can believe that. Choked, nope. And you can listen to mommy dearest saying he grabbed the kid then she adds in choked. Keep hands off her kid. She exaggerated the situation and it was obvious to the cop.
"He can't prove my kid littered", not long after she says she has an open door he (neighbor) should have come to her. Yeah right... mama gonna lie for baby anyways.
And yeah, why didn't she teach her kid not to litter? fucking animals. Shouldn't be out in public. Bet you all the money in my pockets right now, if the little shit had thrown the wrappers on the floor of mommy dearest kitchen, she'd have made him pick it up.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
I think he learned an even more important one... don't expect cops to give a shit about their job, and expect people to justify their shitty behaviour.
The cop warned her she was about to get cuffed and carted off to the pokey. The video shows mommy dearest take aggressive steps towards the cop after accelerating the situation verbally. Even the daughter recognized the danger mommy dearest was instigating, hence her stepping between the cop and mommy dearest.
Now I have already said the daughter should be released, charges dropped. However, technically and by the law, her stepping between the officer and mom was interfering with an officer.
Cop tells you to shut up, you shut the fuck up.
Cop tells you to stand here, there, whatever, you stand here, there, whatever.
Cop tells you to stay in your car, you stay the fuck in your car.
And rest of the civilized world wonders how we let our cops get out of control....
Edit: Okay, upon thinking about it further, here is the fundamental problem with your argument...
You are arguing too late in the scenario.
A. The guy didn't make up the story, but apparently he doesn't deny touching the kid either.
You DO NOT touch someone else's child. My family worked for the state, and that is one of the first and biggest rules in their book... you DO NOT touch other people. It doesn't matter how wrong they are, it doesn't even matter if your trying to pat them on the shoulder and congratulate them... you DON'T touch them.
If he touched the kid with motive to restrain, to punish, that is assault under the law. And I don't think he should be charged with assault, I don't think any party involved should have been charged with anything due to lack of evidence for either party, but the cops role should have been to come there and say, "Look, both of you... don't pull this shit again." rather than coming and instantly assuming the victim of a (very minor) assault was guilty.
B. The cop did not do his job.
The cop is there to defuse the situation, and he did not do that. In truth, he escalated the situation by telling the mother, "Nah, your son is guilty, why are you a terrible person!". You can feel about her however the hell you want, but that was NOT the cops job to tell her she was a shitty parent.
Cops not being trained how to deescalate situations is exactly what has lead to so many of the shootings and cases of police abuse in this country, and yes predominately towards African Americans but really towards anyone of a lower class or with mental issues. This is not a problem for the rest of the civilized world, and when we sit here arguing about the mother... all we are doing is excusing our inadequate police force and saying that, "It is okay to be shit at your job if I think someone deserved it!".
That is NOT acceptable.
3. The city itself said the cop did not behave in an appropriate matter.
It's funny how often I have had to say this here, that even the city and the police department said, "Our officer did not behave to the standards we expect from our employees", and STILL people will sit here and argue that he did nothing wrong. Frankly, I think the city and police department know more about how police etiquette and regulations work than some random person on an internet forum defending the assault of a 7 year old kid, the choking of a man who wasn't resisting arrest, who has said that rape victims might have been asking for it (not aimed at you chill) or any of the other situations this argument has been brought up.
So please, save me this victim blaming because it has nothing to do with the point at hand that this officer failed to do his job to the standards the department, the city, and a civilized nation expects their police to behave in and follow. That is what this story is about, not some means to justify assaulting a 7 yo kid.
So use flamethrowers on litter bugs ... burns them up and the trash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdsr6JQsgw
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
A. The guy didn't make up the story, but apparently he doesn't deny touching the kid either.
You DO NOT touch someone else's child. My family worked for the state, and that is one of the first and biggest rules in their book... you DO NOT touch other people. It doesn't matter how wrong they are, it doesn't even matter if your trying to pat them on the shoulder and congratulate them... you DON'T touch them.
If the kid wasnt out littering, the guy wouldnt have needed the kid to take responsibility for his actions. Just pick up the fuckin litter and move on. Normal encounter. Abnormal/antisocial behavior? Avoiding responsibility. Treating other persons property unlike how you are expected to behave at home. Do unto others then split.
7 years old, ya think he would have been held accountable if he threw paper on the floor at school? Made to pick it up? What if he refused?
Corporal punishment still legal in Texas, so much so, parents must opt-out or consent is implied.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
If he touched the kid with motive to restrain, to punish, that is assault under the law. And I don't think he should be charged with assault, I don't think any party involved should have been charged with anything due to lack of evidence for either party, but the cops role should have been to come there and say, "Look, both of you... don't pull this shit again." rather than coming and instantly assuming the victim of a (very minor) assault was guilty.
If the kid would have picked up his litter, all is well. If mama would have gone to the neighbor and taught her kid to respect other peoples property, all is well. This whole incident was caused by 1. the kid and 2. the mom.
I lived in a 'welfare' apt for a while. around 1/2 of the renters were welfare moms, the rest of us were young single persons. All the moms kept the kids in line, regardless of whos kid they were. As a newcomer, you didn't get that authority with other peoples kids, but once you were known to be 'normal', those kids were expected to respect the other adults living there.
The white guy acted Normally. Even you don't believe the kid was 'choked' right? Do you admit even that possibility, that the kid was grabbed and made to pick up his litter because he DEFIED (mom's words in the video) the authority of the property owner?
There is much to be said for the ethics of those welfare moms about how we get along when living in the same building. Applies well to the block, the neighborhood, etc.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
B. The cop did not do his job.
The cop is there to defuse the situation, and he did not do that. In truth, he escalated the situation by telling the mother, "Nah, your son is guilty, why are you a terrible person!". You can feel about her however the hell you want, but that was NOT the cops job to tell her she was a shitty parent.
Cop gets a call about a kid being choked. Amp up the cops with a serious allegation of choking a kid. Finds out Not a choke but a litterbug being made to pick up his mess. Cop realizes Mom is another one of those people who doesn't take responsibility. Not my angel... my baby boy would never... you're just pissing me off...
Yeah momma bear, you just pissed off the cop who should be out looking for real criminals, instead wasting time/money on your pissant kid who was made to clean up his own mess.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PMCops not being trained how to deescalate situations is exactly what has lead to so many of the shootings and cases of police abuse in this country, and yes predominately towards African Americans but really towards anyone of a lower class or with mental issues.
momma lied. Kid wasn't choked. And there was no shooting. The situation was deescalated with mama in handcuffs and taken into custody.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM3. The city itself said the cop did not behave in an appropriate matter.
It's funny how often I have had to say this here, that even the city and the police department said, "Our officer did not behave to the standards we expect from our employees", and STILL people will sit here and argue that he did nothing wrong. Frankly, I think the city and police department know more about how police etiquette and regulations work than some random person on an internet forum defending the assault of a 7 year old kid, the choking of a man who wasn't resisting arrest, who has said that rape victims might have been asking for it (not aimed at you chill) or any of the other situations this argument has been brought up.
Well not in the article you linked to:
QUOTE Fort Worth cops put out a statement Thursday afternoon saying the officer, whose name wasn't released, was, "placed on restrictred duty status by the Chief of Police pending the outcome of the internal investigation."
So it seems your blurring together different instances across a wide spectrum trying to find some kind of pattern to verify what you want to believe about these cases.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
So please, save me this victim blaming because it has nothing to do with the point at hand that this officer failed to do his job to the standards the department, the city, and a civilized nation expects their police to behave in and follow. That is what this story is about, not some means to justify assaulting a 7 yo kid.
The officer did his job. Officers have a LOT of authority when called and thats why you call cops as a LAST resort. I am unsure where this dream world you live in exists, but even the daughter knew mama was getting out of hand, which is why she jumped in and tried to push her away from the cop.
Waving your arms can be considered a threat. Raising your voice when talking to police can be considered disorderly conduct. You cannot take a step towards an officer without being instructed to do so or you risk arrest. And I saw all of these behaviors before the arrest happened in that video.
Additionally, its right there in the video. "prove it" when asked about the littering. "...because he defied him" [the neighbor saying pick up your trash]. Mom knew dammed well her kid instigated and accelerated this and was more than willing to accelerate this further with the 'choking' claim.
Nope, I don't think the cop should lose his job over this.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2016, 07:21:38 PM
So use flamethrowers on litter bugs ... burns them up and the trash?
Nope.
The smell of burning hair is nauseating.
But sewing the lips shut on gum chewers who toss their used gum on sidewalks should be implemented nation wide. Just enough for them to use a straw to drink their food. Open for suggestions on how long, not recomending lifetime liquid diet.
Quote from: chill98 on December 23, 2016, 10:46:42 PM
Nope.
The smell of burning hair is nauseating.
But sewing the lips shut on gum chewers who toss their used gum on sidewalks should be implemented nation wide. Just enough for them to use a straw to drink their food. Open for suggestions on how long, not recomending lifetime liquid diet.
In Singapore, people, even children who put used gum in public places ... get caning with bamboo canes ;-(
QuoteIf the kid wasnt out littering, the guy wouldnt have needed the kid to take responsibility for his actions. Just pick up the fuckin litter and move on. Normal encounter. Abnormal/antisocial behavior? Avoiding responsibility. Treating other persons property unlike how you are expected to behave at home. Do unto others then split.
7 years old, ya think he would have been held accountable if he threw paper on the floor at school? Made to pick it up? What if he refused?
Corporal punishment still legal in Texas, so much so, parents must opt-out or consent is implied.
Still not his place to commit an act of assault.
Edit: On corporal punishment in Texas; It's funny you mention that, because it only proves my point. My mom was a teacher in Texas for 23 years, and she WAS NOT allowed to lay hands on a student. That is NOT her job, that was the principles.
Likewise, it WAS NOT this guy's job to take the law into his own hands. Your last sentence, when analyzed, completely refutes your entire point once you understand that rules and regulations of Texas corporal punishment.
QuoteIf the kid would have picked up his litter, all is well. If mama would have gone to the neighbor and taught her kid to respect other peoples property, all is well. This whole incident was caused by 1. the kid and 2. the mom.
I lived in a 'welfare' apt for a while. around 1/2 of the renters were welfare moms, the rest of us were young single persons. All the moms kept the kids in line, regardless of whos kid they were. As a newcomer, you didn't get that authority with other peoples kids, but once you were known to be 'normal', those kids were expected to respect the other adults living there.
The white guy acted Normally. Even you don't believe the kid was 'choked' right? Do you admit even that possibility, that the kid was grabbed and made to pick up his litter because he DEFIED (mom's words in the video) the authority of the property owner?
There is much to be said for the ethics of those welfare moms about how we get along when living in the same building. Applies well to the block, the neighborhood, etc.
Still not his place to commit an act of assault.
QuoteCop gets a call about a kid being choked. Amp up the cops with a serious allegation of choking a kid. Finds out Not a choke but a litterbug being made to pick up his mess. Cop realizes Mom is another one of those people who doesn't take responsibility. Not my angel... my baby boy would never... you're just pissing me off...
Yeah momma bear, you just pissed off the cop who should be out looking for real criminals, instead wasting time/money on your pissant kid who was made to clean up his own mess.
Not the cop's place or job to pass judgment.
QuoteThe officer did his job. Officers have a LOT of authority when called and thats why you call cops as a LAST resort. I am unsure where this dream world you live in exists, but even the daughter knew mama was getting out of hand, which is why she jumped in and tried to push her away from the cop.
Waving your arms can be considered a threat. Raising your voice when talking to police can be considered disorderly conduct. You cannot take a step towards an officer without being instructed to do so or you risk arrest. And I saw all of these behaviors before the arrest happened in that video.
Additionally, its right there in the video. "prove it" when asked about the littering. "...because he defied him" [the neighbor saying pick up your trash]. Mom knew dammed well her kid instigated and accelerated this and was more than willing to accelerate this further with the 'choking' claim.
Still not the cop's place or job to pass judgment, nor in a civilized nation his place to escalate the situation, as the city and PD confirmed. His role is to deescalate situations and seek a peaceful resolution, which he did the exact opposite of by instantly accusing the woman of being a terrible parent and making no motions to find an equable solution for everyone. That is not my dream world, that is the simple reality of the justice system, as confirmed by the city, the PD and the public's reaction.
I want to say I don't know where your dream world is that cops have carte blanc to escalate situations into violence because they don't like someone, but sadly I do; the third world. Authoritarian societies. Corrupt societies. And apparently the United States in the mind of way too many people.
Name me one other job (besides the military, I suppose) where people are so quick to defend people for not doing what they are paid to do, and infact do the exact opposite? I honestly cant think of one.
QuoteNope, I don't think the cop should lose his job over this.
Me neither.
Tl;dr - Cop's jobs aren't to blame the victim, they are to maintain order. Cop did not do that. Let the woman and daughter go, tell both parties that it won't be appreciated if the PD has to show up again, and everyone move on with their life. Everyone is happy, and we don't throw more fuel on an already out-of-control fire of mistrust between minorities, the lower classes in general, and the police.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2016, 10:58:31 PM
In Singapore, people, even children who put used gum in public places ... get caning with bamboo canes ;-(
Poetically enough, that seems to be the law system many white Americans want, since it won't effect them directly (until they realise one of their own children isn't a picture perfect saint and is getting caned before a crowd for putting graffiti under the bridge).
To a small extent, I don't have a problem with the Singaporean style of governance. It is a different culture, and one they seem to not mind... as well as the city-state itself doing quite well for itself. It's just not one that would work for Americans, particularly those of us who like to say, "Freedom is more important than anything else!".
QuoteThe government in Singapore has broad powers to limit citizens' rights and to inhibit political opposition. In 2015, Singapore was ranked 153rd out of 175 nations by Reporters Without Borders in the Worldwide Press Freedom Index.
QuoteFreedom in the World scored Singapore 4 out of 7 for political freedom, and 4 out of 7 for civil liberties (where 1 is the most free), with an overall ranking of "partly free" for the year 2015.
QuoteSingapore enforces the death penalty by hanging and has, according to Amnesty International, one of the world's highest execution rates relative to its population.[3]
So when you say...
QuoteBut sewing the lips shut on gum chewers who toss their used gum on sidewalks should be implemented nation wide. Just enough for them to use a straw to drink their food. Open for suggestions on how long, not recomending lifetime liquid diet.
I want to believe your are joking, but incase you are not (and given your rage against the kid, it's hard to know), just realise this is the type of government you are advocating for. And as a white male, that might seem okay, it won't effect you directly unless you have kids who turn out to not be saints... but America is not Singapore and does not apply the law equally to all people. The stricter laws are going to, and have already proven to have, effect minorities and the weak far more than it will whoever has more power; be it economic-political or ethnic power.
Quote from: Baruch on December 23, 2016, 10:58:31 PM
In Singapore, people, even children who put used gum in public places ... get caning with bamboo canes ;-(
Looked it up. Does not appear to be true.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32090420
This site claims improper gum disposal is a heavy fine:
http://www.guiddoo.com/singapore-travel-guide/laws-for-tourists-in-singapore/
Society evolves, maybe not always for the better. When many of us were young any adult who caught you "mis-behaving" could smack you upside the head. The difference then perhaps, was that they would also go to your home and tell your parents what you did, what they did, and most always received and apology from the parent and in some cases were able to witness the sure to come ass-whippin from said parent. I won't get into the toilet bowl discussion of whether "we" were more respectful and polite than kids today, but I know all my brothers and sisters were and ever kid I ever grew up with.
I remember the flack Hillary got many years ago for her book, "It takes a village", never read it, but where I grew up, every parent was the eyes and ears of every other parent, so yes, where I grew up, it did not take a village, by goddamn it they were all involved.
Punishment of juvenile delinquency in Singapore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay
It is used for over 30 misdemeanors. in addition, Singapore has the highest execution rate relative to population.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Still not his place to commit an act of assault.
Texas law on assault has a heavy lean towards 'with intent to cause bodily harm'.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Edit: On corporal punishment in Texas; It's funny you mention that, because it only proves my point. My mom was a teacher in Texas for 23 years, and she WAS NOT allowed to lay hands on a student. That is NOT her job, that was the principles.
Your point was No one gets to touch anyone and you used state employees as an example. That is untrue as demonstrated by what would be an assault charge (corporal punishment); which is a whole bunch different from making a kid pick up his mess.
And marching an unruly child down to the principals office is not assault via grabbing a refusing student by the collar, shoulder, to get them to comply.
A policy against such is not a law against such and is reflected of the attitude of mom in the video. "he cant put his hands on my kid" and the cop asks, "why not?" The law is about intent to cause bodily harm, not about intent to get a litterbug to pick up his mess.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PMLikewise, it WAS NOT this guy's job to take the law into his own hands. Your last sentence, when analyzed, completely refutes your entire point once you understand that rules and regulations of Texas corporal punishment.
Not the cop's place or job to pass judgment.
Cops use their judgement every single day at every single incident. It is the difference between a warning and a summons. Without that ability, there would be no warning citations. And I for one appreciate the chance to get a warning for a speed limit exceeded or a seat belt not buckled.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PMStill not the cop's place or job to pass judgment, nor in a civilized nation his place to escalate the situation, as the city and PD confirmed. His role is to deescalate situations and seek a peaceful resolution, which he did the exact opposite of by instantly accusing the woman of being a terrible parent and making no motions to find an equable solution for everyone. That is not my dream world, that is the simple reality of the justice system, as confirmed by the city, the PD and the public's reaction.
BS. This dream world you live in gets more and more unpleasant with each of your assertions. See above on ability to issue warning tickets. He was trying to get mom to settle down by pointing out her childs lack of ethics when expanding his freedom (roaming the neighborhood unsupervised).
Your a parent. You are walking down the street with your kid. Kid opens up his popsicle and tosses the wrapper on the ground. I am guessing you stop and make the kid pick it up cuz its just not right to litter.
Cuz if you didn't make the kid pick it up, you would be a bad parent.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
I want to say I don't know where your dream world is that cops have carte blanc to escalate situations into violence because they don't like someone, but sadly I do; the third world. Authoritarian societies. Corrupt societies. And apparently the United States in the mind of way too many people.
I suppose it starts with knowing the cop didn't escalate the situation, momma did. Momma began hollering at the cop, it is clear in the video the policeman did not raise his voice. He warned her about that escalation and clearly the daughter recognized mom was escalating the situation. Probably from plenty of experience with mama's temper.
And I am sure during her day in court, mama will present herself in a wholly acceptable demeanor, showing that mama does know how to behave and present herself as a reasonable adult.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Name me one other job (besides the military, I suppose) where people are so quick to defend people for not doing what they are paid to do, and infact do the exact opposite? I honestly cant think of one.
well... because your interpretation of what the cops job/duty was in this situation is different from all these others.
Quote from: Shiranu on December 23, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Tl;dr - Cop's jobs aren't to blame the victim, they are to maintain order. Cop did not do that. Let the woman and daughter go, tell both parties that it won't be appreciated if the PD has to show up again, and everyone move on with their life. Everyone is happy, and we don't throw more fuel on an already out-of-control fire of mistrust between minorities, the lower classes in general, and the police.
Cop didn't blame the victim. Cop did not intend to arrest anyone but mama escalated the situation with her behavior, and lied about the situation. Choking a kid is a serious charge that does not appear to have happened in this case. But mama knew that calling 911 cuz the neighbor made her kid pick up litter was not going to bring the response she wanted.
The mistrust is self-inflicted. do unto others, then split is not an acceptable code of ethics and is the basic foundation of the majority of problems in this society.
Quote from: Baruch on December 24, 2016, 09:01:38 AM
Punishment of juvenile delinquency in Singapore:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay
It is used for over 30 misdemeanors. in addition, Singapore has the highest execution rate relative to population.
Not gum chewing as you claimed. Only point I was making.
Quote from: chill98 on December 24, 2016, 09:24:40 AM
Not gum chewing as you claimed. Only point I was making.
So? Do lots of things that are unpunished here ... get corporal punishment there. We don't even punish corrupt politicians and war mongers.