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 Gunman shoots dead Russian ambassador  (https://apnews.com/dc36fd59c53043afa057da96d01b2a86/Gunman-opens-fire-on-Russian-ambassador-to-Turkey-at-exhibit)

Now why would the gunman shout Allahhu akbar?
What could have been the motive?

I think Putin will ask some questions.

There might be a reason. 

Quote from: pr126 on December 19, 2016, 01:01:53 PM
Gunman shoots dead Russian ambassador  (https://apnews.com/dc36fd59c53043afa057da96d01b2a86/Gunman-opens-fire-on-Russian-ambassador-to-Turkey-at-exhibit)

Now why would the gunman shout Allahhu akbar?
What could have been the motive?

I think Putin will ask some questions.

NYT says video has "Remember Syria!"

The headline I read said he shouted God is great! 

Either way, I can't imagine how a middle easterner could be motivated to kill a Russian politician for any reason other than Islam did it. Russia is a like... A saint... in that region, and I'm sure geopolitics don't factor in.

Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2016, 03:28:39 PM
The headline I read said he shouted God is great! 

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/world/europe/russia-ambassador-shot-ankara-turkey.html

Apparently, he is a 22 year old of duty cop and he shouts 'Remember Aleppo', 'Remember Syria', 'everyone who caused suffering for people [in Syria] you will pay for this' and some religious stuff etc.

Putin called it a 'provacation'.

Because putins used provacation before.

But, this is serious, maybe putin saying that means it won't lead to an international incident then.

Turkey et al enables jihadis, jihadis fight Syria and Russia and Iran in Syria.  Jihadis are losing in Syria thanks to Russia and Iran.  So it is possible that Turkey, not an expendable sock puppet ... is responsible.  I wouldn't want to be the Turkish government, if there is any direct connection between the shooter and the Turkish government ... as it is, there are indirect connections ;-(

The gunman was self radicalized on the Internet. 
Ban Facebook, Twitter, Fake News.


Do Ambassadors get danger allowance?

There is another Islamic movement seperate from the one that came to power in 2003. Gulen Moevement. The leader of this group is Fethullah Gulen.

Who is Fethullah Gulen?

Fethullah Gulen is a mullah and an islamist preacher, political figure and founder of the Gulen Movement with tens of billins of dollars wiith a religious school network spread out the world. Europe, America, Africa, through out Asia...you name it.

How did this man become a powerful international political figure?

2008 - https://tukishnews.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/gul-meets-with-presidents-at-tcc%E2%80%99s-friendship-dinner/#more-32

Clinton praises Gülen’s contribution to interfaith dialogue

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Former US President Clinton and his wife Hillary Rodham Clinton praised the contributions of Fethullah Gülen â€" a prominent Turkish intellectual â€" to inter-religious dialogue in a video message they sent to the event.
“By being here tonight you are contributing to lasting security at home and the world. You are promoting [the idea of] tolerance and interfaith dialogue inspired by Gülen and his transnational social movement,” he said.
He also said Gülen’s interfaith and intercultural dialogue activities strengthen the common values of the world and encourage the continuation of cultural and educational relations that interlink the world.
“In this interdependent world, the faiths of people on opposite sides of the globe are increasingly linked. It is critical to keep the lines of communication open as much as we can. That’s why the communication between the Turkish-American community and the people of Turkey is so important,” he added.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, praised the TCC for its contributions to the relations between Turkey and the US and thanked the organizers of the event. She also wished Muslims a happy Ramadan and said the holy month has a message that fosters peace, affection and solidarity among people.

Quote"So as you can see, these people, Clinton, Clinton administration were already working with [Gülen] dating back to the 90’s”

So to clarify: That doesn’t actually follow from the video. As far as I understand, the arguments pertaining to the 90’s are: Mark Grossman being appointed by the Clintons, the timing of Gülen’s move to the US and what Sibel has witnessed at the FBI: The files implicating Gülen, and Clinton-Reno relegating those to the never-to-be-disclosed counterintelligence dept.

Turkish Intel Chief Exposes CIA Operations via Islamic Group in Central Asia

http://www.newsbud.com/2016/08/12/wikileaks-hillary-gulen-intimate-ties-how-the-clintons-gave-birth-to-mullah-gulens-terrorist-network/

QuoteIn this episode of Spotlight with Sibel and Spiro we discuss the notorious USA-based Mullah Fethullah Gulen and Operation Gladio B in light of Wikileaks’ recent announcement that they plan to release a new batch of e-mails exposing the intimate ties between Hillary Clinton and Gulen’s 25+ Billion shady network. Sibel Edmonds explains how Fethullah Gulen was brought into the United States during the Clinton Administration, and how Bill Clinton’s White House, the State Department and the Justice Department’s Janet Reno provided the infamous mullah and his terrorism-heroin operations with blanket immunity and protection. We also take a look at Clinton’s hand-picked handlers, Graham Fuller and Mark Grossman, selected to manage and direct Gulen’s cells in the U.S. and abroad.

2011 - Turkish Intel Chief Exposes CIA Operations via Islamic Group in Central Asia

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/01/06/turkish-intel-chief-exposes-cia-operations-via-islamic-group-in-central-asia/

Quote“In the 1990s Gulen’s Madrasas sheltered 130 CIA agents" in Kyrgyzstan & Uzbekistan”

Yesterday Washington Post’s Jeff Stein published a very interesting but incomplete story regarding a recently published memoir by former Turkish Intelligence Chief Osman Nuri Gundes. Here is the title of his post: Islamic group is CIA front, ex-Turkish Intel chief says. For those of you familiar with my case and what I’ve been covering here at Boiling Frogs Post this exposé is ‘old news’ but nonetheless a vindication. As for those who are first-timers here or not that familiar with my case, this is an opportunity for a bit of background and to learn a few important points and facts that you won’t be getting from this ‘half-picture’ presented by the Washington Post.

In his memoir Gundes claims that Fethullah Gulen’s worldwide Islamic movement based in Pennsylvania has been providing cover for the CIA since the mid-1990s, and that in the 90s, the movement "sheltered 130 CIA agents" at its schools in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan alone.

Now, as I’ve done before, I am going to praise Jeff Stain, whom I know and like, for his solid journalistic talent and background and give him a few credits for actually covering this story (it is one of those ‘thou shall not cover’ areas in an agreement between the US mainstream media and the US government), before I bash the piece, its half-a..  coverage, incomplete background, and it’s incredibly lenient treatment of a shady-dubious-charlatan, a major player in this operation yet a major denier when confronted by Stein; Graham Fuller. Again, as before, I am going to blame it on the unfortunate situation of ‘having to sell your journalistic soul to earn your living.’
Let’s start with Gulen. The only background provided on Gulen is the following with only one link which takes you to Gulen’s marketing site:
…an influential former Turkish imam by the name of Fethullah Gulen, has 600 schools and 4 million followers around the world.
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The imam left Turkey in 1998 and settled in Saylorsburg, Pa., where the movement is headquartered. According to Intelligence Online, he obtained a residence permit only in 2008 with the help of Fuller and George Fidas, whom it described as head of the agency’s outreach to universities.

There is no mention of Gulen’s decade-long ‘wanted’ status in Turkey (until recently), no mention of the ban on Gulen and his Madrasas in several Central Asian countries, no mention of various investigations of Gulen by other western countries, no mention of the unknown sources of his billions of dollars…As we all know except for a very few, and by that I mean a number in 100s if that, no one in this country has ever heard of this guy with his billions, with his castle in Pennsylvania, his hundreds of Madrasas, now hundreds of US charter schools, his dubious businesses….Yet, for an article as serious as this (Madrasas and mosques as CIA operation centers in Central Asia), the central figure in the story has been given one sentence; no history, no relevant facts…

Those of you who have not read our previous commentaries and updates on this topic can check them out here,  here, here, and here, and below is a list of a few Gulen related facts totally (mysteriously?) absent from Washington Post piece:

-In 1999 Gulen defected to the US shortly before his scandalous speech, where he is heard calling on his supporters to "work patiently and to creep silently into the institutions in order to seize power in the state", became public. Turkish prosecutors demanded a ten-year sentence for Gülen for having "founded an organization that sought to destroy the secular apparatus of state and establish a theocratic state". Mr. Gulen has not left the United States since.

-The Netherlands has taken major steps to cut funding to all Gülen associated organizations and is investigating his operations. The Turkish Fethullah Gülen movement is really an Islamic fundamentalist group, claims Rotterdam council member Anita Fähmel (Leefbaar Rotterdam) on the basis of her own study of the Turkish movement.

-The Russian government has banned all Gülen schools and the activities of the Nur sect in Russia. Over 20 Turkish followers of Gulen were deported from Russia in 2002-2004.

-In 1999 Uzbekistan closed all Gulen’s Madrasas and shortly afterward arrested eight journalists who were graduates of Gulen schools, and found them guilty of setting up an illegal religious group and of involvement in an extremist organization.

-In Turkmenistan, government authorities have placed Gulen’s schools under close scrutiny and have ordered them to scrap the history of religion from curriculums.
Now, back to the story and its other major short coming:

Apparently Mr. Stein was not able to reach Gulen for comment, so he moved on to his CIA sources with ‘long ties to  Central Asia.’ First he quotes his first source, Former CIA operative Robert Baer, chief of the agency’s Central Asia and Caucasus operations from 1995 through 1997, who called the allegations bogus. However, Mr. Baer added: “It’s possible that the CIA turned around this ship after I left.”


I don’t have a problem with Baer’s response. Based on what I personally know, US Islamization Operations in Central Asia via Gulen started in late 1997, early 1998. That brings me to what truly set me off, Stein’s second source and actually a character who is pointed to by the new memoir’s author - Graham Fuller:
Graham Fuller, a former CIA station chief in Kabul and author of “The Future of Political Islam,” threw cold water on Gundes’s allegations about Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.
“I think the story of 130 CIA agents in Gulen schools in Central Asia is pretty wild,” Fuller said by e-mail.
“I should hasten to add that I left CIA in 1987 -- nearly 25 years ago -- and I have absolutely no concrete personal knowledge whatsoever about this. But my instincts tell me the claim is highly improbable.”

Next, Jeff Stein very gently confronts Fuller with the fact that according to the memoir and related media coverage Gulen obtained his US residence permit with his (Fuller’s) help, and Fuller denies it and says that’s ‘wrong,’:

“What I did do,” Fuller explained, “was write a letter to the FBI in early 2006 …at a time when Gulen's enemies were pressing for his extradition to Turkey from the U.S. In the post 9/11 environment, they began spreading the word that he was a dangerous radical. In my statement to the FBI I offered my views…that I did not believe he posed a security threat of any kind to the U.S. I still believe that today, as do a large body of scholars on contemporary Islam.”
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First of all, there have been tens if not hundreds of articles establishing Graham Fuller as one of Gulen’s official references to the court for his residency, you can view some of these here, here, here. This quote comes from Foreign Policy Journal:

Fethullah Gulen became a green card holder despite serious opposition from FBI and from Homeland Security Department. Former CIA officers (formally and informally) such as Graham Fuller and Morton Abromovitz were some of the prominent references in Gulen's green card application.
Next is the question of why. Why and in what capacity has Fuller been this active, this supportive, of Gulen? I am talking about this voluntary ‘I wrote a letter to the FBI on Gulen’ line:

…was write a letter to the FBI in early 2006 …at a time when Gulen's enemies were pressing for his extradition to Turkey from the U.S. In the post 9/11 environment, they began spreading the word that he was a dangerous radical. In my statement to the FBI I offered my views…that I did not believe he posed a security threat of any kind to the U.S. I still believe that today, as do a large body of scholars on contemporary Islam.
And Stein let that slide?! I’d quickly ask: ‘how often do you write to the FBI on people you think have been unfairly targeted or treated by them?!’
Last but not least on Graham Fuller is my own on-the-record, more accurately, on-the-album, naming of individuals implicated (criminally) in my case, thus protected via invocation of the State Secrets Privilege:

Coinciding with the publication of the first article in a series in Britain’s Sunday Times covering some of her allegations, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds posts a gallery of 18 photos of people and three images of question marks on her website, justacitizen.com The 21 images are divided into three groups, and the page is titled “State Secrets Privilege Gallery.”… “The third group includes people who all appear to work at think tanksâ€"primarily WINEP, the Washington Institute for Near East Policy”: Graham E. Fullerâ€"RAND Corporation, David Makovskyâ€"WINEP, Alan Makovskyâ€"WINEP, ? (box with question mark), ? (box with question mark), Yusuf Turani (president-in-exile, Turkestan), Professor Sabri Sayari (Georgetown, WINEP), and Mehmet Eymur (former head of the Turkish intelligence agency MIT).
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I am going to leave you with the following excerpts from my interview with Phil Giraldi for the Am Con Magazine in 2009, on Gulen, CIA Central Asia operations & the use of Islam and Mujahideen there-1997-2001, [All emphasis mine]:

GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11…

EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the U.S. government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups, including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen.

GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command or CIA.

EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they meant CIA?

GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.

EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them.

There were bin Ladens, with the help of Pakistanis or Saudis, under our management. Marc Grossman was leading it, 100 percent, bringing people from East Turkestan into Kyrgyzstan, from Kyrgyzstan to Azerbaijan, from Azerbaijan some of them were being channeled to Chechnya, some of them were being channeled to Bosnia. From Turkey, they were putting all these bin Ladens on NATO planes. People and weapons went one way, drugs came back.

GIRALDI: Was the U.S. government aware of this circular deal?

EDMONDS: 100 percent. A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium on NATO planes. After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the U.S. via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago and Paterson, New Jersey. Turkish diplomats who would never be searched were coming with suitcases of heroin.

2016 - WikiLeaks, Hillary-Gulen Intimate Ties & How the Clintons Gave Birth to Mullah Gulen’s Terrorist Network

http://www.newsbud.com/2016/08/12/wikileaks-hillary-gulen-intimate-ties-how-the-clintons-gave-birth-to-mullah-gulens-terrorist-network/

In this episode of Spotlight with Sibel and Spiro we discuss the notorious USA-based Mullah Fethullah Gulen and Operation Gladio B in light of Wikileaks’ recent announcement that they plan to release a new batch of e-mails exposing the intimate ties between Hillary Clinton and Gulen’s 25+ Billion shady network. Sibel Edmonds explains how Fethullah Gulen was brought into the United States during the Clinton Administration, and how Bill Clinton’s White House, the State Department and the Justice Department’s Janet Reno provided the infamous mullah and his terrorism-heroin operations with blanket immunity and protection. We also take a look at Clinton’s hand-picked handlers, Graham Fuller and Mark Grossman, selected to manage and direct Gulen’s cells in the U.S. and abroad.

2016 - WikiLeaks, Hillary-Gulen Intimate Ties & How the Clintons Gave Birth to Mullah Gulen’s Terrorist Network

QuoteIn this episode of Spotlight with Sibel and Spiro we discuss the notorious USA-based Mullah Fethullah Gulen and Operation Gladio B in light of Wikileaks’ recent announcement that they plan to release a new batch of e-mails exposing the intimate ties between Hillary Clinton and Gulen’s 25+ Billion shady network. Sibel Edmonds explains how Fethullah Gulen was brought into the United States during the Clinton Administration, and how Bill Clinton’s White House, the State Department and the Justice Department’s Janet Reno provided the infamous mullah and his terrorism-heroin operations with blanket immunity and protection. We also take a look at Clinton’s hand-picked handlers, Graham Fuller and Mark Grossman, selected to manage and direct Gulen’s cells in the U.S. and abroad.

https://youtu.be/tctl8FNasFo


You guys probbaly know about Clinton-Gulen e-mails.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/23/emails-show-ties-between-hillary-clinton-and-followers-of-controversial-turkish-cleric/

Wikileaks

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/762443446976073728



At some point Gulen and Erdogan have become enemies. This surfaced around 2012. And AKP becoming the state, started a war against them. So the coup attempt is really this guy's job -apart from being used in many other ways by the gov, highly likely supported by CIA.


The idea that CIA is behind many coups or provocations, attacks and events at this side of the world is not some far fetched conspircay theory. Too much money and balance of power exists in this deal.

An additional reminder:

Operation Gladio (wiki)

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The role of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in Gladio and the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and any relationship to terrorist attacks perpetrated in Italy during the "Years of Lead" (late 1960s to early 1980s) is the subject of debate. Switzerland and Belgium have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter.[2]

...

As one of the nations that prompted the Truman Doctrine, Turkey is one of the first countries to participate in Operation Gladio and, some say, the only country where it has not been purged.[45]

QuoteThe Truman Doctrine was an American foreign policy created to counter Soviet geopolitical spread during the Cold War. It was first announced to Congress by President Harry S. Truman on March 12, 1947 :547-9 and further developed on July 12, 1948 when he pledged to contain Soviet threats to Greece and Turkey.

Once again, it appears the Americans didn't learn a thing from the Cold War...

Quote from: Shiranu on December 20, 2016, 04:18:40 AM
Once again, it appears the Americans didn't learn a thing from the Cold War...

It's not about 'learning'. This is politics and power. Nobody cares about civillian lives. People in the Middle East are seen like 'bugs'. They see their own people like cattle to slaughter if necessary, who cares about millions of 'bugs'.

Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 20, 2016, 04:27:24 AM
It's not about 'learning'. This is politics and power. Nobody cares about civillian lives. People in the Middle East are seen like 'bugs'. They see their own people like cattle to slaughter if necessary, who cares about millions of 'bugs'.

From a power and political standpoint it's just not good policy either though. A destabilized Middle East is not in America's long term interest.


Also what you just said... is the reason I hate this concept that "the terrorists" are the bad guys. What are our actions in comparison? A terrorist kills 10 people for his ideology, for his politics, to prove a point. We kill hundreds of thousands, condemn millions more to terrible living conditions, for our convenience.


Which one is the more mosterous? We don't even get to hide behind, "My religion told me to!".

QuoteA terrorist kills 10 people for his ideology, for his politics, to prove a point.

Since 9/11 there was 29,947 terrorist attacks world wide. 
I think by now they have proven their point.

This ideology has exterminated 270 million people since AD 622 and no end in sight.

Quote from: Shiranu on December 20, 2016, 04:29:31 AM
From a power and political standpoint it's just not good policy either though. A destabilized Middle East is not in America's long term interest.


Also what you just said... is the reason I hate this concept that "the terrorists" are the bad guys. What are our actions in comparison? A terrorist kills 10 people for his ideology, for his politics, to prove a point. We kill hundreds of thousands, condemn millions more to terrible living conditions, for our convenience.


Which one is the more mosterous? We don't even get to hide behind, "My religion told me to!".

LOL I think you -also pr- misunderstood me.

I was NOT talking about terrorists, I was talking about States <---> Governments. They see people as cattle and bugs.

You should both know I do NOT agree with the mainstream undertstading of religion-terrorism dynamic by now.

QuoteI was NOT talking about terrorists, I was talking about States <---> Governments. They see people as cattle and bugs.

So was I.

Wait....you mean if you bomb the shit out of people then those people might be angry enough at you to kill your ambassador?






Shocking.

Somehow I don't feel responsible for bombing the shit out of people. Can't remember authorizing it.

I think Obama even got a Nobel Peace Prize for that. Well deserved?

Quote from: pr126 on December 21, 2016, 04:52:58 AM
Somehow I don't feel responsible for bombing the shit out of people. Can't remember authorizing it.

I think Obama even got a Nobel Peace Prize for that. Well deserved?

That is the problem with "group responsibility" and "just war" theory.  The myth of the social contract.

Why would he shoot someone who is already dead?

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2016, 06:08:27 AM
Why would he shoot someone who is already dead?

To make sure he stays dead.

Quote from: pr126 on December 21, 2016, 06:58:17 AM
To make sure he stays dead.

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Quote from: Shiranu on December 20, 2016, 02:21:40 PM
So was I.

OK, could you eleborate then? I am lost.

Also, you shouldn't use that 'we' so generously. Don't own up to something you have never supported in any scale.

Quote from: pr126 on December 21, 2016, 04:52:58 AM
Somehow I don't feel responsible for bombing the shit out of people. Can't remember authorizing it.

I think Obama even got a Nobel Peace Prize for that. Well deserved?

I wasn't aware that you were a Russian government official.

Quote from: pr126 on December 21, 2016, 06:58:17 AM
To make sure he stays dead.

Fucking zombies, man.

Great joke I read about parents don't last minute Christmas shopping ...

Mom-bies and the Walking Dads ;-)

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 21, 2016, 06:08:27 AM
Why would he shoot someone who is already dead?

You beat me to it...