I'm seriously scared at the moment.
mike pence as vp and a republican house and senate
the state I live in already lacks trans rights to a bad extent, now I'm genuinely scared.
If it's this bad under a socially liberal president, or atleast somewhat socially liberal, then I'm basically fucked.
my state already has no anti discrimination laws for transgender workers
What the fuck am I going to do
I'm scared too.
*Hugs. Hang in there. Try not to think about the worst.
Take it one day at a time.
And have hope. Thing's Will be tough. But a people that can survive in the bushes for eight years is strong. Such a people just might make it through 4 years of struggling through the trump-dump.
I'm a heterosexual white male and I'm scared.
Come on, guys, let's try to calm down. Take it easy. You'll need your sanity more than anything from now on. You need to stand firm on the ground whatever, I mean really whatever happens, doesn't matter how crazy and fucked up it is. Trust me, speaking from experience.
Yes, with Pence and the Republicans in control of the executive, legislative and eventually judicial branches of government, the rights of LGBT people are definitely in jeopardy.
We survived George Bush. It wasn't pretty, but we did it. Yes, it was a disaster, but here we are. We can do it again.
Millions of civillians haven't survived Bush. With Trump it could be worse. And this time it could be worse for Americans too.
Quote from: Jannabear on November 09, 2016, 05:17:00 AMI'm seriously scared at the moment.
mike pence as vp and a republican house and senate
the state I live in already lacks trans rights to a bad extent, now I'm genuinely scared.
If it's this bad under a socially liberal president, or atleast somewhat socially liberal, then I'm basically fucked.
my state already has no anti discrimination laws for transgender workers
What the fuck am I going to do
I'm scared, too. Trump himself doesn't have a problem with trans people using whichever bathroom, but he brought a whole lot of right-wing zealots into power with him and they have no such compunction. I live in ground zero of this trans bathroom BS issue and the tide was turning against it, was being the operative world. If the Dems had won control over both the NC house and senate, this issue would be dead. Instead, the Republicans have control. We just barely have a Dem governor, and that'd normally be good, but without legislative support, it's unlikely he'd be able to change this stupid, self-destructive policy. We'll be the laughingstock of the country for a few more years, but after these election results, no one is laughing.
Trump will appease his followers and things are going to get very bad very fast.
And wait til the Supreme Court judges stay on for 40 years...
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 09, 2016, 08:15:44 AM
Millions of civillians haven't survived Bush. With Trump it could be worse. And this time it could be worse for Americans too.
It could be, but we don't know yet. There's a possibility that Trump could turn out to be an ineffective baboon, whose main talent is feeding SNL with silly things. We have the benefit of hindsight with Bush. He was truly horrible, possibly even evil. We don't have that hindsight with Trump yet.
I don't think we have to do much wondering how a guy who infamously said that he'd like to kill civilians and torture - even if it doesn't work - would conduct his foreign policy. The people who publicly feared that Clinton would spark WWIII apparently never turned a skeptical eye to their own candidate.
Best case scenario is that that's all bluster and we have a more isolationist foreign policy, which I'm sure Putin will be pleased with.
Things are going to get very ugly for you guys, my mums got a gay friend in LA and he was terrified of trump getting in power, so I just hope he holds out.
Your just have to play things by ear, but I would prepare for what's to come, save some money. LGBTQ people in America have survived worse, and fought for their rights, just means the fight goes on.
Quote from: SGOS on November 09, 2016, 09:35:21 AM
It could be, but we don't know yet. There's a possibility that Trump could turn out to be an ineffective baboon, whose main talent is feeding SNL with silly things. We have the benefit of hindsight with Bush. He was truly horrible, possibly even evil. We don't have that hindsight with Trump yet.
Let's hope so. I dunno, SGOS. This man is a salesman. Do you remember the broker characters portrayed in Wolf of Wall Street? The money and power hunger idiots turned into monsters by Jordan Belfort? This man is an original rich version of them, from craddle. There is nothing he wouldn't sell to get profit or power, including America and American people. Rich will get more rich and others will get poorer. Also I think he will change 180 degrees now and he will try to draw a new image of a 'president of all Americans' and THEN when he acquired enough power, he will try to do whatever he will. It will happen gradually. :sad2:
And best profit is in war, arms trade, agressive policies. Esp. in this climate. And he will make the best of it, he is not stupid. He is gonna get along with Erdogan very well. Trust me.
And he is the president of the United States of America right now. I want to cry so badly, I just can't. :sad2:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 09, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
And he is the president of the United States of America right now. I want to cry so badly, I just can't. :sad2:
Actually he isn't. Not yet anyway although the chances he won't be on January 20th are remote at best. The electoral college could choose someone else. At least some of the members are on record saying they would not cast their ballot for him. The son of a bitch could die of syphilis, or some attractive young lady could rip his balls off and he could bleed to death. Plus there is always ease of access to guns...
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 09, 2016, 10:25:30 AM
The electoral college could choose someone else.
Do you really believe that? Aren't they supposed to vote for what their state voted?
E: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)
QuoteThe United States Electoral College is the body that elects the President and Vice President of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who usually pledge to vote for particular candidates.[1][2][3]
The number of electors in each state is equal to the number of members of Congress to which the state is entitled,[4] while the Twenty-third Amendment grants the District of Columbia the same number of electors as the least populous state, which is currently three. Therefore, there are currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, plus the three additional electors from the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector.
All states, except for Maine and Nebraska, have chosen electors on a "winner-take-all" basis since the 1880s.[5] Under winner-take-all, a state has all of its electors pledged to the presidential candidate who wins the most votes in that state. Maine and Nebraska use the "congressional district method", selecting one elector within each congressional district by popular vote and selecting the remaining two electors by a statewide popular vote.[6] Although no elector is required by federal law to honor a pledge, there have been very few occasions when an elector voted contrary to a pledge.[7][8] The Twelfth Amendment, in specifying how a president and vice president are elected, requires each elector to cast one vote for president and another vote for vice president.[9][10]
Do I believe it will happen? No. Is it a possibility? Yes. The reason we have an electoral college to begin with is to allow wiser people to overrule a poor choice by the unwashed masses.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 09, 2016, 10:32:58 AM
Do I believe it will happen? No. Is it a possibility? Yes. The reason we have an electoral college to begin with is to allow wiser people to overrule a poor choice by the unwashed masses.
I get that. I just don't see it happening either. They would get burned at the stake and honestly a move like that could cause serious trouble right now I am afraid.
He didn't win by a hair, he crushed. :sad2:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 09, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
I get that. I just don't see it happening either. They would get burned at the stake and honestly a move like that could cause serious trouble right now I am afraid.
He didn't win by a hair, he crushed. :sad2:
No he didn't. As things stand right now with 94% of the results counted he is behind in the popular vote.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 09, 2016, 10:32:58 AM
Do I believe it will happen? No. Is it a possibility? Yes. The reason we have an electoral college to begin with is to allow wiser people to overrule a poor choice by the unwashed masses.
the electoral college is the reason he won, he actually lost by popular vote
I've said time and time again that the electoral college should be abolished.
"the American people" should have their collective tongues ripped out and never be allowed to speak again.. ~Donald J Trump
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 09, 2016, 10:25:30 AM
Actually he isn't. Not yet anyway although the chances he won't be on January 20th are remote at best. The electoral college could choose someone else. At least some of the members are on record saying they would not cast their ballot for him. The son of a bitch could die of syphilis, or some attractive young lady could rip his balls off and he could bleed to death. Plus there is always ease of access to guns...
That will only work in states like Texas, which have no "faithless elector" laws.
Wanna take bets on how many intelligence agencies around the world have already made contingency plans for assassination of the US president?
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on November 09, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
That will only work in states like Texas, which have no "faithless elector" laws.
Ray v. Blair
QuoteThe ruling only held that requiring a pledge, not a vote, was constitutional and Justice Jackson wrote in his dissent, "no one faithful to our history can deny that the plan originally contemplated what is implicit in its text â€" that electors would be free agents, to exercise an independent and nonpartisan judgment as to the men best qualified for the Nation's highest offices." More recent legal scholars believe "a state law that would thwart a federal elector’s discretion at an extraordinary time when it reasonably must be exercised would clearly violate Article II and the Twelfth Amendment."[6]
The Supreme Court has never ruled on the constitutionality of state laws that punish electors for actually casting a faithless vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on November 09, 2016, 01:09:55 PM
Ray v. Blair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector
I need to read more thoroughly.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 09, 2016, 01:03:22 PM
Wanna take bets on how many intelligence agencies around the world have already made contingency plans for assassination of the US president?
In other news, President Obama has been assassinated.
The assassination appears to have been an act of retaliation by the UN for allowing the outcome of this election under his term to come to fluition.
When asked why not assassinate Trump instead, the International Court of Justice met our reporters with blank stares, awkward silence and eventually "No comment."
More on this as it devellops.
And now for weather.
Winter seems to be coming on strong everywhere in the world, as hell has frozen over. We expect this to once and for all put to rest the global-warming hoax, so says our supreme overlord Trump.
All rise now for the National anthem. And remember, you're being watched. Feel safe.
Janabear, just remember Hoover was a cross dresser when such things could get people arrested.
Quote from: Jannabear on November 09, 2016, 12:19:45 PM
the electoral college is the reason he won, he actually lost by popular vote
The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists (http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/)
You're going to be strong and deal with it like you have had to your entire life and hope for better days. I doubt things will ever get even as bad as they were in the '80s or '90s again. There will almost certainly be some rough days ahead, but nothing you haven't faced (and overcome) before. And most importantly you are not going to lie down and take it like you've had to in the past because public opinion is changing rapidly and the politicians either change with it or get buried by it. The next 4 years may suck. Or they may not. Certainly there won't be any more "progress" for a while, but there's only so far it can go back.
Just look gleefully forward to that cool autumn day in early November 2020 when we get to tell Trump, "You're fired!" You'll get through this. It's not like you haven't had to do it before, so you know you're strong enough because you've already faced what's coming.
These are seriously dark times in America, and the stunning parallels with Hitler:
"Hitler gained popular support by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.
By 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933. Following fresh elections won by his coalition, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which began the process of transforming the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany, a one-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of National Socialism. Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France. His first six years in power resulted in rapid economic recovery from the Great Depression, the effective abandonment of restrictions imposed on Germany after World War I, and the annexation of territories that were home to millions of ethnic Germansâ€"actions which gave him significant popular support."
Sound familiar?
I can say this; in the middle of Texas State today were several men dressed in Trump attire yelling at anyone with brown skin to, "Go the fuck back home" and harassed several LGBT couples (or anyone who could "look" gay) by telling them how big of "fucking fagots" they are. I know several people got it on snapchat, i'll see tomorrow if anyone saved it.
This is what America voted for. I want to say as someone with a foreign name and mixed complexion, a sarcastic thanks... but really, no. As just a decent human being I want to thank you and ask that you kindly go fuck yourself with a razor.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on November 09, 2016, 03:08:00 PM
Janabear, just remember Hoover was a cross dresser when such things could get people arrested.
j Edgar ... not Herbert ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on November 09, 2016, 08:12:02 PM
I can say this; in the middle of Texas State today were several men dressed in Trump attire yelling at anyone with brown skin to, "Go the fuck back home" and harassed several LGBT couples (or anyone who could "look" gay) by telling them how big of "fucking fagots" they are. I know several people got it on snapchat, i'll see tomorrow if anyone saved it.
This is what America voted for. I want to say as someone with a foreign name and mixed complexion, a sarcastic thanks... but really, no. As just a decent human being I want to thank you and ask that you kindly go fuck yourself with a razor.
I've noted before that I'm surprised by how deeply ingrained this sort of behavior is. I'm more surprised that it was nurtured and fanned below the surface for so many years, probably crushed by political correctness, but never examined. I knew it was there, but just in the form of occasional slips, often as tasteless jokes. Now it seems released. It's not flattering behavior.
I am actually worried about a racist crime wave more than this. But I doubt, if it would happen as bad in the UK though. I hope not. Apparently, it is still on.
Trump will 'give' a visa for these abuses to the scum, like UKIP did in the UK.
The headlines portray an unusually dissatisfied electorate this morning with protests against a newly elected president who has awaked a sense of moral outrage against his policies. And while this is understandable, I point out to myself that almost exactly one half of the country is celebrating joyously. I suppose contention has to come near a 50/50 split to survive. Otherwise, a 25% minority tends to get swept under the carpet.
But there has been a near 50/50 split for many years. How can this be? A long running equal division seems like a mathematical anomaly, yet it survives. I think the reason is more about psychology. We might be programmed to take sides, and as the sides grow, they begin to dominate our emotions. While other issues may be more important (and I truly believe there are more important things to fight over), the sides take on a life of their own, dominating and shoving themselves brutally center stage. We are forced to choose an ugly dilemma.
Yet the equality of the sides perplexes me. 50/50?? Really? My explanation doesn't explain it.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 09, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
These are seriously dark times in America, and the stunning parallels with Hitler:
"Hitler gained popular support by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.
By 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933. Following fresh elections won by his coalition, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which began the process of transforming the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany, a one-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of National Socialism. Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France. His first six years in power resulted in rapid economic recovery from the Great Depression, the effective abandonment of restrictions imposed on Germany after World War I, and the annexation of territories that were home to millions of ethnic Germansâ€"actions which gave him significant popular support."
Sound familiar?
I don't think these are comparable because the economic crisis in germany was significantly worse than how bad it is in the usa, and the level of racism they had was far far worse.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 10, 2016, 06:22:37 AM
I am actually worried about a racist crime wave more than this. But I doubt, if it would happen as bad in the UK though. I hope not. Apparently, it is still on.
Trump will 'give' a visa for these abuses to the scum, like UKIP did in the UK.
figured i'd show you this
https://mic.com/articles/159094/at-least-2-trans-youth-have-committed-suicide-since-election-lgbtq-hotline-calls-surge#.O3305MmGU
:(
Quote from: Shiranu on November 09, 2016, 08:12:02 PM
I can say this; in the middle of Texas State today were several men dressed in Trump attire yelling at anyone with brown skin to, "Go the fuck back home" and harassed several LGBT couples (or anyone who could "look" gay) by telling them how big of "fucking fagots" they are. I know several people got it on snapchat, i'll see tomorrow if anyone saved it.
This is what America voted for. I want to say as someone with a foreign name and mixed complexion, a sarcastic thanks... but really, no. As just a decent human being I want to thank you and ask that you kindly go fuck yourself with a razor.
That must have been a dream. Trump's supporters aren't racist and calling them "deplorable" is just a terrible thing to do. Don't you watch Faux News? Racism died decades ago.
Seriously, though, it's no wonder Republicans win so much. They have a legitimate super power akin to the Jedi mind trick. They say or do something that is obviously racist or a lie, then they say it wasn't and we all have to say, "Well, maybe it isn't". Regulating abortion clinics for "women's safety", restricting voting by race to prevent "voter fraud", creating a "moment of silence" in schools that has nothing whatsoever to do with prayer... We have to take them to court to get these decisions reversed and they STILL don't take much blame for what they were really doing. We have a party being blatantly racist and we can't call them racist or bigots or they'll get on OUR asses about it and make US look bad! How the fuck does that work? In a country that accepts blatant racism and pretends it's really something else is it any wonder we just elected a guy who blatantly says something hideous and then pretends the media is making it up about him?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on November 09, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
Let's hope so. I dunno, SGOS. This man is a salesman. Do you remember the broker characters portrayed in Wolf of Wall Street? The money and power hunger idiots turned into monsters by Jordan Belfort? This man is an original rich version of them, from craddle. There is nothing he wouldn't sell to get profit or power, including America and American people. Rich will get more rich and others will get poorer. Also I think he will change 180 degrees now and he will try to draw a new image of a 'president of all Americans' and THEN when he acquired enough power, he will try to do whatever he will. It will happen gradually. :sad2:
And best profit is in war, arms trade, agressive policies. Esp. in this climate. And he will make the best of it, he is not stupid. He is gonna get along with Erdogan very well. Trust me.
And he is the president of the United States of America right now. I want to cry so badly, I just can't. :sad2:
Democracies across the world are worried. So am I.