The Trump campaign is for real. Isn't it????? I mean, can this really be real? Part of me tells me this is a farce in the classic way--it is a total put-on, and has been from the get-go. He just did not realize how much this would catch on. So, he keeps running with it just to see how far it will go. He makes the worst possible choices and says the worst possible things. And yet, he just keeps his core. And maybe gathers more to it.
Part of me thinks this is so--that this is a total put-on. But is that just wishful thinking on my part?
I don't know. Personally I worry as this shows how many racists and bigots there are.
I mean donald trump has shown us what an idiot he actually is but so many conservatives agree with him that it's scary. I don't know which is more scary actually. (trump or the trump supporters.)
If donald trump gets elected I might consider running away to Canada. I'd love to live in Australia!
His wife copied Michelle Obama's speech, and everyone applauded. Trump said some terrible shit gets applauded.
Yeah it doesnt feel real
I'm going to make a wild assumption that Melina's speech writer knowing did it to help sabatoge the Trumps' campaign.
Sent from your mom.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 19, 2016, 01:47:20 PM
I'm going to make a wild assumption that Melina's speech writer knowing did it to help sabatoge the Trumps' campaign.
Sent from your mom.
Sabotage? This only helps. Any media is good media... especially for Trump who feeds off of negativity. This is if anything a blessing for his campaign.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 19, 2016, 01:51:41 PM
Sabotage? This only helps. Any media is good media... especially for Trump who feeds off of negativity. This is if anything a blessing for his campaign.
An attempt is an attempt.
And like I said, it was a wild guess. Not actually sure that was the backstory of how.... almost word for word that speech was
At no time have I seen Trump actually try to do the 'savvy' thing for a politician to do. At no time has he not make the absolute worst decision for a typical politician; or has he taken back anything he has said--and he has said so many 'politician career ending things' that this must be on purpose. If this is on purpose, what would that be? I think he thought he would run in that ridiculous Rep. nominating race just to disturb the shit a bit. And he got a much bigger response than he imagined he would. So he just kept it up. And hasn't stopped. The latest--his wife's speech; how could that not be scripted?????? It is a farcical play, so to speak, that has taken on a life of it's own. I just can't believe he is or was serious.
It may have begun as a publicity stunt, but took off like gangbusters and if he is elected by some quirk we can look forward to president Pence after Trump is either impeached or just resigns or killed. .. That's even scarier..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 19, 2016, 03:22:53 PM
It may have begun as a publicity stunt, but took off like gangbusters and if he is elected by some quirk we can look forward to president Pence after Trump is either impeached or just resigns or killed. .. That's even scarier..
As a resident of Indiana, I'm just glad Pence can't run for governor now. but you are absolutely right, that President Pence would be the worst kind of "scary."
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on July 19, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
As a resident of Indiana, I'm just glad Pence can't run for governor now. but you are absolutely right, that President Pence would be the worst kind of "scary."
President Pence sounds like a villain from a Harry Potter novel.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 19, 2016, 12:32:59 PM
The Trump campaign is for real. Isn't it????? I mean, can this really be real? Part of me tells me this is a farce in the classic way--it is a total put-on, and has been from the get-go. He just did not realize how much this would catch on. So, he keeps running with it just to see how far it will go. He makes the worst possible choices and says the worst possible things. And yet, he just keeps his core. And maybe gathers more to it.
Part of me thinks this is so--that this is a total put-on. But is that just wishful thinking on my part?
I've been thinking for quite a while that Trump's only goal with this campaign is the destruction of the Republican party from the inside. If so, he's doing it right - if not, he's doing it right!
Quote from: Unbeliever on July 19, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
I've been thinking for quite a while that Trump's only goal with this campaign is the destruction of the Republican party from the inside. If so, he's doing it right - if not, he's doing it right!
He is paying very little, if any, money out of pocket. He could not have paid for this type of publicity for any amount--his financial stock just soared from that alone. Win or lose this election he has won for himself personally. What I find so disturbing is the depth of hate a racism that this campaign has brought to the surface. I guess that was actually always there--just not as apparent. So, maybe having this evil exposed is a good thing.............??? Maybe???? This has to be a farce--can't be serious.
I have observed Trump for many years and I have never seen anything that indicates he is capable of layered or sophisticated thinking. His IQ, according to one source, is not much over 100. so I don't think he is subtly manipulating anything. My take from the beginning was that his intent was to win the presidency and trash anything Obama did regardless of the consequences. He really is a hateful, bigoted braggart. And Obama embarrassed him over the "birther" thing and I'm sure he is out for revenge.
I'm sure you know him better than I, Stromboli. I never even saw that silly 'reality' show of his. Never though much about him at all until he threw his hat in the ring for the Oval Office. Maybe that's what's wrong with his hair - he needs a new hat.
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Trump is no more complicated than his being an egomaniacal narcissist stuck in his emotional teens intent on out shining his Dad. Listen to him talk. It's all me, I, and myself. Add in some I'm the best, smartest, best looking, have the hottest wives, nicest cars, and biggest houses, smartest kids etc. That self absorbed emo shit extends into his act about making America, great, first, successful, blah, blah, blah again. When he says America; he means him. His ego feed, his adulation, his sense of being validated by his Trump Tools and what ever source of "Don, you're SO wonderful!" Narcs are not sophisticated; they're just self absorbed, and non empathetic. Two rungs up from serial killers.
The most objective assessment of his "business acumen" I've read. If it's too long for you; just read the last two paragraphs.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/good-bad-donald-trump-businessman-000000016.html
Fast (and objective) version of where Don comes from: It's the Be A Killer; Be A King article
http://lisabelkin-yahoonews.tumblr.com/
Donald Chump is completely unfit for the office of President of the US; for reasons of personality and character defect. If I hadn't switched from the GOP to the Libertarian Party in '08; the advent of Chump's 2016 Presidential nomination would have seen me leaping out of the GOP plane without a chute!
Can you just imagine what he'd do the first time some foreign minister insulted him as president? Right now his go-to response is "Sue him!" I shudder to think what his thin-skinned orange ass might do as commander-in-chief of the US military.
Well, I was watching The Young Turks yesterday, and they said that John Kasich was offered the VP slot by Trump, and Kasich's people say that Trump wanted Kasich to be responsible for all foreign and domestic policy, so yeah, it doesn't seem that the Don really ever wanted to be President.
You gotta laugh at all the people on here who said Trump would take no advice and he would only do things his way. How wrong they were lol.
Well, no blowup at the R-vention ... so it is on like Donkey Kong ;-)
I would love if he threw the UN out of the US, all the way to Geneva. We need fewer foreign diplomats with diplomatic immunity in NYC.
Oh, it's real. Even if the campaign was completely manufactured (which I don't believe for a nanosecond), Americans are swallowing it whole.
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Well, Mermaid, I am realizing more and more that his campaign is real and that The Donald has not been hiding any aspect of himself. I was indulging in wishful thinking. What really scares me--and little really does--is that some much of the people of this country are falling for it. The Average Joe just might be much more stupid and self-centered (blindly so) than I had thought. How can anybody really think that a 1%'er can ever really see the world as they do, care a shit about them, or know how to make life better for them?????? The anger and hate he is fomenting is just sicking to see.
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 23, 2016, 04:25:22 PM
Well, Mermaid, I am realizing more and more that his campaign is real and that The Donald has not been hiding any aspect of himself. I was indulging in wishful thinking. What really scares me--and little really does--is that some much of the people of this country are falling for it. The Average Joe just might be much more stupid and self-centered (blindly so) than I had thought. How can anybody really think that a 1%'er can ever really see the world as they do, care a shit about them, or know how to make life better for them?????? The anger and hate he is fomenting is just sicking to see.
Exactly. The only thing that will make me feel even slightly better about that is if he loses very soundly. But I am not so confident that he will lose at all.
Quote from: widdershins on July 22, 2016, 11:46:14 AM
Can you just imagine what he'd do the first time some foreign minister insulted him as president? Right now his go-to response is "Sue him!" I shudder to think what his thin-skinned orange ass might do as commander-in-chief of the US military.
Yeah, that's the part that really scares me about his candidacy. Should he get into a spat with a foreign leader - and the odds are high - he'd likely act in anger in a way that would ultimately hurt American interests.
In Trump's world, good people are defined by one attribute: whether they're nice to Trump. Same with evil. Conservative after conservative has been trashed by Trump if they're critical of him. But if they kiss his ass, they're great. Needless to say, this sort of retaliatory narcissism doesn't pair well with a presidential post - a position associated with relentless criticism, deserved and undeserved, from Americans and non-Americans.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 23, 2016, 05:06:00 PM
Yeah, that's the part that really scares me about his candidacy. Should he get into a spat with a foreign leader - and the odds are high - he'd likely act in anger in a way that would ultimately hurt American interests.
In Trump's world, good people are defined by one attribute: whether they're nice to Trump. Same with evil. Conservative after conservative has been trashed by Trump if they're critical of him. But if they kiss his ass, they're great. Needless to say, this sort of retaliatory narcissism doesn't pair well with a presidential post - a position associated with relentless criticism, deserved and undeserved, from Americans and non-Americans.
That's what really scares the shit outta me. My entire professional life has involved dealing with violence, preferably preventing it, and and dispensing it appropriately within established legal, policy, and procedural guidelines. Emotion has NO place in it.
This very flawed; emotionally and ego driven individual; if elected, will be in charge of the worlds most powerful military, and NUCLEAR arsenal. That shit only goes wrong ONCE.
We need Gandolf to pound his staff down and intone "You Shall Not Pass!". :(
Quote from: Mike Cl on July 19, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
He is paying very little, if any, money out of pocket. He could not have paid for this type of publicity for any amount--his financial stock just soared from that alone. Win or lose this election he has won for himself personally. What I find so disturbing is the depth of hate a racism that this campaign has brought to the surface. I guess that was actually always there--just not as apparent. So, maybe having this evil exposed is a good thing.............??? Maybe???? This has to be a farce--can't be serious.
Out of 320 million people, the best candidates for POTUS are a pathetic liar and con artist or a liar owned by big business. Too bad the country wasn't ready for a Bernie Sanders who brought some independence and fresh ideas. Trump is a shyster with a gift of the gap. A lousy business man who has no clue about politics. A bully who would lead us all into isolation and confrontation. That this moron got nominated by the GOP by popular vote tells us a lot about the psyche of the American people. Frustration, racism, xenophobia and fear, all emotions that Trump and his campaign feed the crowds with. I really hope that the American people can see through this charade and come to their senses before it's too late. The world is worried, we to the north are worried.
Quote from: reasonist on July 24, 2016, 10:15:26 AM
That this moron got nominated by the GOP by popular vote tells us a lot about the psyche of the American people. Frustration, racism, xenophobia and fear, all emotions that Trump and his campaign feed the crowds with.
I think this might be the part that concern me most.
We've all seen the reports of Trump supporters spraying mace in the faces of Sanders supporters. We've all seen the reports of the heavy handed security and brutal treatment of protesters at Trump events. I have personally seen several individuals I know and otherwise respect say with genuine honesty that they hope to see Hilary executed.
Usually elections are about economics, foreign policy and social services/policies. I'm afraid this election will end up being more about endorsing and enforcing hate than anything else. If Trump wins, hate wins. And the endorsement and open expression of hate is what the US will stand for moving into the next 4 years.
Quote from: reasonist on July 24, 2016, 10:15:26 AM
Out of 320 million people, the best candidates for POTUS are a pathetic liar and con artist or a liar owned by big business. Too bad the country wasn't ready for a Bernie Sanders who brought some independence and fresh ideas. Trump is a shyster with a gift of the gap. A lousy business man who has no clue about politics. A bully who would lead us all into isolation and confrontation. That this moron got nominated by the GOP by popular vote tells us a lot about the psyche of the American people. Frustration, racism, xenophobia and fear, all emotions that Trump and his campaign feed the crowds with. I really hope that the American people can see through this charade and come to their senses before it's too late. The world is worried, we to the north are worried.
And I am worried.
You said--Frustration, racism, xenophobia and fear, --Yes, Trump uses those. But they really came to the fore with Cheney/Bush; the Repubs are masters at the sound byte, especially when using your four emotions. Trump is only taking to another level what our war criminal duo brought into vogue.
Quote from: Hydra009 on July 23, 2016, 05:06:00 PM
Yeah, that's the part that really scares me about his candidacy. Should he get into a spat with a foreign leader - and the odds are high - he'd likely act in anger in a way that would ultimately hurt American interests.
In Trump's world, good people are defined by one attribute: whether they're nice to Trump. Same with evil. Conservative after conservative has been trashed by Trump if they're critical of him. But if they kiss his ass, they're great. Needless to say, this sort of retaliatory narcissism doesn't pair well with a presidential post - a position associated with relentless criticism, deserved and undeserved, from Americans and non-Americans.
The first time he got into a bitch-slapping contest with Kim Jong Un it would escalate into full-out nuclear war because neither one can take criticism and their go-to response is to escalate things with more criticism. Eventually one or both would try to prove they were the bigger man.
Hillary and Donald and targeting Libya.