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Title: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: stromboli on July 18, 2016, 11:52:57 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/turkey-coup-erdogan-purge-military-judges-criminals-getting-rid-of-secular-a7141556.html

QuoteThe sweeping purge of soldiers and officials in the wake of the failed coup in Turkey is likely to be conducted with extra vigour because a number of close associates of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan are among the 265 dead. The number of people detained so far is at 6,000 including soldiers, and around 3,000 judges and legal officials who are unlikely to have been connected to the attempted military takeover.

On Sunday, Erdogan attended the funeral of the elder brother of his chief adviser, Mustafa Varank. Varank’s older brother, Dr Ilhan Varank, studied at Ohio State University, and was the chairman of Computer and Technology Education Department at Istanbul’s Yildiz Technical University, according to Anadolu Agency (AA). It says that the 45-year-old was shot at and killed as he demonstrated in front of the Istanbul Municipality building on the night of the coup, 15 July.

Another name close to Erdogan, Erol Olcak, was shot and killed along with his 16-year-old son at the Bosphorus Bridge, local media reported. Having met the president many years ago when they both belonged to the same Islamic party known as Prosperity Party, Olcak became a prominent name in AKP’s media and publicity campaigns since the party was founded in 2001. Olcak and his son were at the Bosphorus Bridge to protest the coup attempt when they were shot by soldiers.

The coup plotters clearly saw the importance of detaining or eliminating Erdogan but were unable to find him at the holiday resort of Marmaris, in south west Turkey, where he was staying, as is shown by the film of shootings there. They also tried to target his most important aides by taking them into custody. His secretary Fahri Kasirga was taken prisoner by rebel soldiers, according to his son, who tweeted on the night of the coup that “they wanted [pro-coup forces] to force my father to stay in his house, but when he resisted, the bloody traitors took him into an ambulance and drove off.” The story is confirmed by Erdogan himself who said as he headed to the airport at Marmaris that “they took my secretary. What are you going to do with my secretary?”   

The failed coup is serving as an excuse for a massive round-up of members of the judiciary and army officers, far greater than anything seen in Turkey for years, and is presumably a bid to secure Erdogan’s grip on the Turkish state. So numerous are those detained that a sports stadium is being used to hold some of them, a development that has ominous similarities with mass arrests in South American coups in the last century. Some 140 out of 387 judges in the Court of Appeal have been detained along with 48 out of 156 from the Council of State.

It may be that Erdogan is using the coup to eliminate the most powerful officials seen as loyal to Turkey as a secular state.

Whoops. didn't see that coming.  :what:
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 18, 2016, 12:48:08 PM
Yeah pretty much. but most of that group is another religious group he has a vendetta against. More than half of those judges are assigned by him to those places, because there were from a religious group before they split from Erdogan's side. 

Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: Flanker1Six on July 18, 2016, 01:02:54 PM
Very disturbing!  Considering Turkey's geographic location, it's NATO membership, and it's former status as a beacon of democratic secular islam.  :(
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: baronvonrort on July 20, 2016, 08:19:00 AM
Nice to see Obama step on his dick again in supporting the democratically elected government.
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: PopeyesPappy on July 20, 2016, 10:16:54 AM
- 21,000 teachers in private institutions have had their licenses revoked;
- 15,200 Education Ministry personnel have been suspended and are under investigation;
- 2,745 judges and prosecutors have been listed for detention, although it is unclear if they have all been detained, and;
- 1,577 deans have been asked to resign.
- 24 radio and television companies have head their licenses revoked.
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: Atheon on July 20, 2016, 11:07:59 AM
Shock doctrine.
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: stromboli on July 20, 2016, 11:16:53 AM
Book soon to b e published" "How to become a dictator overnight".
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: baronvonrort on July 20, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=231d9XQGxGk
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 21, 2016, 02:48:35 AM
Quote from: baronvonrort on July 20, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=231d9XQGxGk

He is not using the word 'infidel'. He is not saying anything like 'my Kurdsh brothers'.  He is saying 'my friends from Diyarbakır'. He is not saying 'Islamic values' but 'our national values'. Do you hear the words Islam and Kurdish? They're pronounced pretty much the same in Turkish.

Translation is deliberatly distorted. Also he is more cunning than that.   
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 21, 2016, 03:04:35 AM
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on July 20, 2016, 10:16:54 AM
- 21,000 teachers in private institutions have had their licenses revoked;
- 15,200 Education Ministry personnel have been suspended and are under investigation;
- 2,745 judges and prosecutors have been listed for detention, although it is unclear if they have all been detained, and;
- 1,577 deans have been asked to resign.
- 24 radio and television companies have head their licenses revoked.

These people belong to the other fundamental religious group. I know it sounds like madness but at the moment it seems like with the failed military coup attempt the country probably dodged something far worse than the current situation, because Fetullah Gulen is a religious leader while Erdogan is a politician. I am sure you get the difference. My first reaction was similar as I wrote that the attempt was staged. *Crying laugh No, it is NOT. Nor it was secular. Far from it.

Sources against Erdogan report how FETO organisation seeped into the army and other places for decades. It was known, but the scale looks different now. This group is the farthest thing from any kind of secularism. He is the builder of the underground religious schools in Europe. pr posted a video about it a couple of years ago, from Netherlands, do you remember? That's the one.

While the picture looks very bleak, think about a force trying to collapse the state by military force to declare directly an islamic state. Yeah well what's the other one will do in time? But the latter has a political and economical design, the former has a sole religious motivation. It has different consequences when the leader is a politician or a man declared mahdi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

They declared 3 months of state of emergency. (When I first wrote that I used the term wrong)

Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 21, 2016, 03:21:05 AM
Quote from: baronvonrort on July 20, 2016, 08:19:00 AM
Nice to see Obama step on his dick again in supporting the democratically elected government.

The coup attempt was made by a fundamenally religious group. We all thought it was staged at the beginning, but that is not the case.
Title: Re: Erdogan Using Coup To Remove Last Vestiges Of Secularism
Post by: SGOS on July 21, 2016, 07:58:42 AM
Being ousted by the next dictator wannabe is fairly typical, and the next one is often worse than the first one.  Early on in these discussions, I wondered what the coup leaders intended.  It seemed like Turkey was on a path to a more civilized and tolerant society for the past many years.  I'm sad to see this happen.