This video explains why I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary. I knew he didn't have a chance of winning the nomination, in fact I counted on him not winning. I didn't actually want him to be the Democratic candidate or president because he is too idealistic and recalcitrant to be an effective leader given our current political system. His candidacy did what I hoped, which was bring the issues I care about to public discourse. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie Sanders' campaign was a success.
https://youtu.be/th8cpzOcNk4
He succeeded in raising a few important issues, though mostly to people who are willing to listen to his speeches. I still doubt a lot of the public knows much about this stuff, and the media didn't help on that front. It would've been nice if those serious issues got more play in the news rather than "OMG socialist! And he's an old guy with crazy hair! He's super old! Hey, did we mention he's old? And crazy Berniebros (of both sexes) love him! I wonder why? Nah, let's not look into that. Back to more 24/7 coverage of the email scandal and whatever horrible thing Trump said today."
I'll consider his campaign a success if it leads to Citizens United being overturned.
I agree the mainstream media was biased against Sanders, especially given the amount of free coverage given to Trump. I remember reading an analysis of media coverage given to each candidate and Trump's numbers were ridiculous. I guess my expectation were low but I found Sanders The Socialist scoring 40/54 with Clinton in NC a pleasant surprise. I do think Sanders forced Clinton to the Left and without Sanders she would gone for centrist appeal. I also think without Sanders fewer people would have heard of Citizens United.
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Quote from: Hydra009 on July 12, 2016, 12:55:24 PM
He succeeded in raising a few important issues, though mostly to people who are willing to listen to his speeches. I still doubt a lot of the public knows much about this stuff, and the media didn't help on that front. It would've been nice if those serious issues got more play in the news rather than "OMG socialist! And he's an old guy with crazy hair! He's super old! Hey, did we mention he's old? And crazy Berniebros (of both sexes) love him! I wonder why? Nah, let's not look into that. Back to more 24/7 coverage of the email scandal and whatever horrible thing Trump said today."
I'll consider his campaign a success if it leads to Citizens United being overturned.
Specifically he's an old Jew with crazy hair. Historically, though, that has been cool.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Einstein-formal_portrait-35.jpg)
Trump versus Sanders would have been a hair nightmare.
This Bernie supporter will be proudly voting for Hillary.
I cant possibly celebrate this. She is not the people's choice. Shes the media choice and the choice of the DNC. Actual voters were ultimately excluded from the decision making, as a day 1 media misinformation blitz and maneuvering inside the DNC leadership presented the idea that the primary was over before it had begun.
Now, the success of this reprehensible campaign is complete with the final capitulation of Sanders himself. Sanders had a chance to show the DNC that this sort of bullshit will not bear fruit by refusing to endorse her. It might have been the most meaningful thing he had done in his career, but instead he dropped his pants and took his position over the barrel.
Take a good look and get ready, because now no matter who wins the presidency you can fully expect to be taking your turn bent over that barrel.
I agree that there were definitely some people leaning on the scales during the primary process. That will be remembered. But it would be extremely unusual for the Democratic runner-up to not endorse the primary winner. And what's more, if the Democratic Party has some sort of civil war over this primary, it wouldn't lead to a good outcome for either the party or the country. Not a good hill to die on.
For good or bad, the primary process is over. What's done is done. We don't have to forget, but we do have to move forward.
The establishment Democrats were never going to let Sanders be the nominee. The establishment Republicans were never going to let Trump be the nominee but they completely underestimated him and the Tea Party until it was too late. I don't think Clinton would be a bad president. I can't even imagine what Trump would be like.
Quote from: Nonsensei on July 12, 2016, 09:46:27 PM
She is not the people's choice.
Well, she's the choice of 17,000,000+ people
(assuming there were at least 200,000 Clinton votes cast in "Iowa, Maine, Nevada, North Dakota, Washington, Wyoming,")
Clinton will be more of the same and Trump... Bleh. It wouldn't be so bad if the House and Senate weren't full of incompetent, heartless fucks who will agree with him on at least some of his loony ideas, even if his worst won't be supported.
The biggest issue is the Supreme Court nominations. We will either get a right- of- centre with Hillary or God knows what with trump. Either way is likely a loss.
I think what a lot of us are feeling, myself included, is a wound (metaphorically).
We think the nervousness is a band-aid that should be on our deep cut ripped away from us, but in reality the painful though of hillary vs trump is peroxide being poured over an infection.
We're actually looking at the problems now, as difficult as that may seem to do... we've been forced to.
Hydrogen peroxide is pretty good, actually. Not the best for wounds (it can slow the healing process and maybe cause scaring), but it definitely stops an infection. Not the best option, but not horrible depending on the circumstances. And it's a lot of people's first choice despite the fact that it's not great - it has name recognition and lots of people think it's way better than it actually is. Hillary is like the peroxide, imo.
Trump is more like pouring a gallon of horse urine over the wound. It's such a major departure from anything resembling a solution that it's insane it's even on the table as a legitimate option. Yet here we are, jug in hand.
Quote from: Poison Tree on July 13, 2016, 01:27:39 AM
Well, she's the choice of 17,000,000+ people
(assuming there were at least 200,000 Clinton votes cast in "Iowa, Maine, Nevada, North Dakota, Washington, Wyoming,")
I'm saying that a large number of her votes were the result of the day 1 media blitz that convinced everyone that the primary was already decided.
If media outlets hadn't lied to us by presenting the super delegates as if they were regular delegates, it's very possible Sanders could have won. This was a damn close primary as it was.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 12, 2016, 01:39:25 PM
Trump versus Sanders would have been a hair nightmare.
Says the bald guy.....
Meh. Like this was never in the offing. Or the oning. Sanders for Veep? Nah. Apparently Her Hillaryness is looking at a retired admiral. In case Putin gets snarky, or something. Park a supercarrier in the Med just outside the Black Sea. Pretty much equal the entire Russian fleet.
Finally.