Facebook is closing pages for atheists.
If you disagree with this please sign petition.
www.change.org/p/mark-zuckerberg-stop-deleting-arab-atheists-and-seculars-groups-and-pages/u/16267241
Nothing particularly intelligent happens on facebook. It wasn't designed for that. It was an outgrowth of Zuckerberg's sophomoric need to publicly rate college coeds pictures from the student guidebook.
Quote from: SGOS on June 25, 2016, 07:26:12 AM
Nothing particularly intelligent happens on facebook. It wasn't designed for that. It was an outgrowth of Zuckerberg's sophomoric need to publicly rate college coeds pictures from the student guidebook.
In the future, the Internet is Pravda and Porn. Are we there yet?
Quote from: Baruch on June 25, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
In the future, the Internet is Pravda and Porn. Are we there yet?
Pretty close.
I've never used facebook despite having an account, its never been something I look to for conversation or purpose outside of knowing a couple of friends.
I would guess it is only about ex Muslims who are telling the truth about Islam.
Which is of course is forbidden.
I don't think ex Christian atheist will be affected. Dissing Christianity is OK.
No one was massacred lately for disabusing or leaving Christianity.
Criticising Islam carries it's own health warning.
Facebook is a free service. They have every right to remove anything they want from their site. The claim that a free website removing content equates to denying basic human rights to someone is absolutely absurd and possibly a tad bit comical in a very sad kind of way.
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Why is everyone so anti-Facebook these days? Is that the new cool thing to do? Ok, lemme give it a shot:
Aaargh, Zuckerburg, f*** you!!!
Wait..posting outright lies and slander on Facebook about family members and anyone else you don't particularly like isn't a god given right? I'll be damned..
I noticed this is in the government section.. Since when is what Facebook does or doesn't do a function of government? By signing the petition am I telling my government to tell Facebook what to do or not do? I sense it's miscategorized which is not to be confused with Mrs Categorized..
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on June 25, 2016, 12:25:52 PM
Why is everyone so anti-Facebook these days? Is that the new cool thing to do? Ok, lemme give it a shot:
Its pretty normal for facebook. The people that use it, just use it. They don't see the need to sing its praises or otherwise announce the fact that they use it. But they people that don't use it? They tend to consider themselves mavericks of the modern age and aren't the least bit shy about telling everyone how cool they are for opting out every chance they get. So ask a question about facebook on some other form of social media and you'll get two answers from those intending to help and about ten answers from those can't help and are only posting because they want you and the rest of the world to know how cool they are for not using facebook.
You see the same kinds of things occasionally from vegans when it comes to questions about cooking meat. "Oh I wouldn't know, I don't eat meat.' Well if you don't eat meat, why the fuck are you soaking up bandwidth posting in a topic about how to cook meat?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 25, 2016, 12:54:19 PM
I noticed this is in the government section.. Since when is what Facebook does or doesn't do a function of government? By signing the petition am I telling my government to tell Facebook what to do or not do? I sense it's miscategorized which is not to be confused with Mrs Categorized..
Silly rabbit, Internet is for the police state.
Never had FB or twitter accounts........................if I want people to know stuff about me I'll just put it up on a billboard next to the freeway.
I've always kinda laughed about both of them; given the sensitive employment I've had since '04..................all of my employers (and several of our clients) have made it more than clear that should ANYTHING regarding the project appear in social media.............you'll be given a very short amount of time (as long as it takes the axe to fall) to explain yourself. I can think of at least a dozen former coworkers who decided to share "whatever" on FB or T..............as the saying goes.........................aisle or window? chicken or beef? DDOOHH!!
I think I had a facebook account for a week or so--my daughter suggested I try it. It was so inane that I simply stopped going. I guess I have an account--don't care. I never go there.
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 25, 2016, 02:40:24 PM
I think I had a facebook account for a week or so--my daughter suggested I try it. It was so inane that I simply stopped going. I guess I have an account--don't care. I never go there.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on June 25, 2016, 12:25:52 PM
Why is everyone so anti-Facebook these days? Is that the new cool thing to do? Ok, lemme give it a shot:
Aaargh, Zuckerburg, f*** you!!!
No, it's not cool to dump on facebook. The people who use it are the in-crowd. They are the ones who pass as cool. Or at least they are proud of how they can communicate with their friends, which they never realized was possible with e-mail. We just dump on them. Facebook itself is harmless click bait.
From Facebook itself:
QuoteWe prohibit content deemed to be directly harmful, but allow content that is offensive or controversial. We define harmful content as anything organizing real world violence, theft, or property destruction, or that directly inflicts emotional distress on a specific private individual (e.g. bullying). A list of prohibited categories of content can be found in our Community Standards at www.facebook.com/communitystandards.
Apparently Muslims are reporting atheist facebook groups and individual pages for violating the above rule somehow and facebook is just auto-closing the pages without doing any investigation.
The same problem exists on Youtube. The service in question is so big that it simply automates its policing tasks and if that system gets abused they dont have to care at all. Why? Because they're so big that they can afford to literally not even lift a single finger no matter how bad the abuse gets. They will still rake it in.
Quote from: Nonsensei on June 25, 2016, 05:29:53 PM
From Facebook itself:
Apparently Muslims are reporting atheist facebook groups and individual pages for violating the above rule somehow and facebook is just auto-closing the pages without doing any investigation.
The same problem exists on Youtube. The service in question is so big that it simply automates its policing tasks and if that system gets abused they dont have to care at all. Why? Because they're so big that they can afford to literally not even lift a single finger no matter how bad the abuse gets. They will still rake it in.
I've noticed this sort of mechanism on other sites. If a certain number of people click a thumbs down icon on a comment, it appears to get deactivated. Well, usually it's still there, but you have to open it to look at it. It's like it's put there to censor what some people object to. While it may not be a violation of freedom of speech, it certainly contradicts the spirit of free speech. When I see the little notice that it's "not shown due to objections," I almost always click on it, if only as an objection to censorship.
There is the phenomenon of preferential Muslim censorship. The Muslims reserve, for themselves, to censor anyone anywhere that offends them, in any medium ... as hate speech. This includes insulting Jesus or Moses, not must Muhammad. Muslims are inherently opposed to free speech ... but then they aren't Western. If a non-Muslim marks what they publish as hate speech, it is protected ... because infidels do what infidels do. That Western people assist them with this, is typical of quislings.
I don't use Facebook. Still, it bothers me that they have the gall to censor the content of user pages - not after having advertised themselves as a place for such free expression. It's a pig-sty of a place. I'd be glad to see it whither and die, shrivel up and blow away.
Quote from: marom1963 on June 26, 2016, 02:27:54 PM
I don't use Facebook. Still, it bothers me that they have the gall to censor the content of user pages - not after having advertised themselves as a place for such free expression. It's a pig-sty of a place. I'd be glad to see it whither and die, shrivel up and blow away.
Meh. Facebook is different things to different people. I happen to love it, it's a way for me to keep in touch with my family and friends. It's free. I do not find it to be a "pig sty" of a place at all.
All of them are arab translated pages. And not all of the "closed" pages are actually taken down. Nothing is going to come of this petition. These petitions usually do nothing.
This is what happens when a tolerant society puts up with an intolerant one. Islam will dominate because Western progressive tolerance will let them. Facebook and YouTube are private businesses and they can censor content all they want, and will do so as long as it doesn't affect their profits.
Quote from: Jack89 on June 26, 2016, 08:04:44 PM
This is what happens when a tolerant society puts up with an intolerant one. Islam will dominate because Western progressive tolerance will let them. Facebook and YouTube are private businesses and they can censor content all they want, and will do so as long as it doesn't affect their profits.
What?
This is what happens when people abuse an automated system.
Quote from: Nonsensei on June 26, 2016, 08:35:03 PM
What?
This is what happens when people abuse an automated system.
We like to abuse un-automated systems too ;-)
This is not about tolerance. It's about money. Facebook doesn't have any principles of tolerating or not tolerating ideologies or religions or ideas or what not but simply trying to get more and more people use their social media platform.
Facebook doesn't give a fuck about free speech. Nor any other social platforms as long as there is good profit. They never do/did. This is what we call capitalism in short. They would sell it to ISIL or let's say...Eskimos or Zulus if it proved to pay more than its worth right now.
It astonishes me when people treat big companies as if they are individuals with conscience or consciousness or with some goal other than more and more profit.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 28, 2016, 08:32:53 AM
This is not about tolerance. It's about money. Facebook doesn't have any principles of tolerating or not tolerating ideologies or religions or ideas or what not but simply trying to get more and more people use their social media platform.
Facebook doesn't give a fuck about free speech. Nor any other social platforms as long as there is good profit. They never do/did. This is what we call capitalism in short. They would sell it to ISIL or let's say...Eskimos or Zulus if it proved to pay more than its worth right now.
It astonishes me when people treat big companies as if they are individuals with conscience or consciousness or with some goal other than more and more profit.
Don't act so astonished. I think its a good thing that people expect more from social networking and media companies. The worst thing that can happen to free speech is if people get used to having it abridged on the internet. Its exactly this attitude that supported the recent victory over the question of net neutrality. As long as people expect and demand more, even from private corporations, there will be sufficient societal pressure on those companies to conform. The larger the company, the more pressure is required, but an incident like this is just another log in the fire, so to speak. Eventually the blaze will get big enough that even a giant like Facebook will be compelled to change something.
For all the faults of capitalism, this mechanism is a significant strength. Companies are slaves to the court of public opinion.
Wishful thinking. Fantasy.
Quote from: Nonsensei on June 28, 2016, 08:38:34 AM
Don't act so astonished. I think its a good thing that people expect more from social networking and media companies. The worst thing that can happen to free speech is if people get used to having it abridged on the internet. Its exactly this attitude that supported the recent victory over the question of net neutrality. As long as people expect and demand more, even from private corporations, there will be sufficient societal pressure on those companies to conform. The larger the company, the more pressure is required, but an incident like this is just another log in the fire, so to speak. Eventually the blaze will get big enough that even a giant like Facebook will be compelled to change something.
For all the faults of capitalism, this mechanism is a significant strength. Companies are slaves to the court of public opinion.
Public opinion is created in the media and changes upon demand. The average American has the attention span of a flea. Only hot button issues like abortion hold people's attention for any length of time, and that's because they are uncomplicated - for/against, nothing in between - at least not as far as the public is concerned. Whatever opinion is in the wilderness is the one that lasts because a handful of angry morons can turn a cabal into a political power of sizable magnitude: it doesn't matter that most Republicans are far more moderate on abortion than the party itself; the party itself must cater to its extremists because they are unfailingly politically active.