Seriously, I don't get it. I see people now dressed almost in uniform with full bush beards and smartly dressed and displaying-to me- arrogance in their demeanor, or else weirdly dressed with any number of potential combinations of dress, tattoos, hairdos or you name it. Saw a picture on the internet of a girl in an airport typing on a manual typewriter. Not a portable, a full blown manual typewriter. Having lived through the time we went from manual to electric to computers, it seems utterly pointless to me.
Ya got me. Hippies I understand because many of the alternative aspects they were into made sense to me. I'm sure hipsterism makes sense to somebody, but I don't see what ultimate aims or what expectations these people have. I'm sure somebody will set me straight.
I am commonly defined as a hipster, so I don't feel qualified to really say.
I tried looking it up on Urban Dictionary, but was met with a wall of text. Never a good sign.
Quote from: stromboli on June 03, 2016, 11:34:43 PM
Seriously, I don't get it. I see people now dressed almost in uniform with full bush beards and smartly dressed and displaying-to me- arrogance in their demeanor, or else weirdly dressed with any number of potential combinations of dress, tattoos, hairdos or you name it. Saw a picture on the internet of a girl in an airport typing on a manual typewriter. Not a portable, a full blown manual typewriter. Having lived through the time we went from manual to electric to computers, it seems utterly pointless to me.
Ya got me. Hippies I understand because many of the alternative aspects they were into made sense to me. I'm sure hipsterism makes sense to somebody, but I don't see what ultimate aims or what expectations these people have. I'm sure somebody will set me straight.
The latest herd. They see themselves as rebels of a sort - and they are - but they rebel by conforming to one another - so, big deal. One needs money to be a hipster, of course. One needs to keep up w/the latest trends. One has to have the latest whatever - even if it is an old typewriter. And then there are the fashions.
Me - I'm a grandfather clock. I've got my own style and I stick to it. I've been dressing the same way for 35 years.
Quote from: stromboli on June 03, 2016, 11:34:43 PMSeriously, I don't get it. I see people now dressed almost in uniform with full bush beards and smartly dressed and displaying-to me- arrogance in their demeanor, or else weirdly dressed with any number of potential combinations of dress, tattoos, hairdos or you name it.
Like other fashion trends, it's to "look cool". And to look cool you have to look different. So beards, skinnyjeans, and denim are in.
QuoteSaw a picture on the internet of a girl in an airport typing on a manual typewriter. Not a portable, a full blown manual typewriter. Having lived through the time we went from manual to electric to computers, it seems utterly pointless to me.
Yeah, I despise the "ironic" technological regression. There's a reason that crap went obsolete. Cause it sucks.
QuoteYa got me. Hippies I understand because many of the alternative aspects they were into made sense to me. I'm sure hipsterism makes sense to somebody, but I don't see what ultimate aims or what expectations these people have. I'm sure somebody will set me straight.
What are their values/goals? You got me there. This is the best I can do:
"While mainstream society of the 2000s (decade) had been busying itself with reality television, dance music, and locating the whereabouts of Britney Spears's underpants, an uprising was quietly and conscientiously taking place behind the scenes. Long-forgotten styles of clothing, beer, cigarettes and music were becoming popular again. Retro was cool, the environment was precious and old was the new 'new'. Kids wanted to wear Sylvia Plath's cardigans and Buddy Holly's glasses â€" they revelled in the irony of making something so nerdy so cool. They wanted to live sustainably and eat organic gluten-free grains. Above all, they wanted to be recognised for being different â€" to diverge from the mainstream and carve a cultural niche all for themselves. For this new generation, style wasn't something you could buy in a department store, it became something you found in a thrift shop, or, ideally, made yourself. The way to be cool wasn't to look like a television star: it was to look like as though you'd never seen television." - link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29#1990s_through_today)
Basically hobo chic as a reaction to the mainstream celebrity-obsessed cesspool.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 01:06:16 AM
Yeah, I despise the "ironic" technological regression.
I love my Novag Micro II and Casio MT-68. How do you feel about people who just appreciate and use old stuff?
In short, it's a person that "follows the trend", so to speak. Usually they don't have much of their own style or interests and they are infatuated with pop culture or "underground pop culture". Because of the lack of originality and a few other traits, hipster is a derogatory term. Like.. If I started wearing a bun outside of my house (I wear my hair in a bun to keep it out of my eyes while I paint) I would be a hipster. Because that is the style that is "trendy". Similar things like that.
God I fucking hate the man-bun as a look. And what is worse is many women love that look... I guess some women are just dumb hipsters also.
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Yeah. Also. Like hydra said. Beards are in.... So people will wear huge fucking beards. Ridiculous lumberjack beards...
Dude. You live in the suburbs and brew coffee for a living. Get over yourself, you hipster.
That's what goes through my head when I see one of these culture leeches.
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Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 01:20:19 AM
I love my Novag Micro II and Casio MT-68. How do you feel about people who just appreciate and use old stuff?
If it's functional or you have some sort of legit reason for using it, it's fine. (like GRRM using WordStar 4.0)
But if you're going out of your way and using something with dubious functionality just to look cool (like so (http://i.imgur.com/N8tuG.png)), I hate your guts.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 01:27:36 AM
If it's functional or you have some sort of legit reason for using it, it's fine. (like GRRM using WordStar 4.0)
But if you're going out of your way and using something with dubious functionality just to look cool (like so (http://i.imgur.com/N8tuG.png)), I hate your guts.
I almost hate you for showing me that.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:21:47 AM
God I fucking hate the man-bun as a look.
I find it functional.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:21:47 AM
And what is worse is many women love that look...
I fail to see how that's not a plus.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 01:27:36 AM
But if you're going out of your way and using something with dubious functionality just to look cool (like so (http://i.imgur.com/N8tuG.png)), I hate your guts.
That is a cool record player. I've got some nice vintage portables saved on Pinterest. I've got a new retro portable pinned to my wish list.
Thirty years ago, they would have called sitting in a cafe w/a phonograph "posing" - well all that posing costs money. Stupid fucking young people. Ah, well ... I'm waiting for flappers to come back!
Like... I have a beard. It's not ridiculously grown out like homeless person or a person working a lumber mill in the 1920's midwest. I have some facial hair. It's because I look like a dufus without it.
On the other hand... there is this trend of people going around like this:
(http://cdn.konbini.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/4/files/2014/04/great-beard.jpg)
and this:
(https://media.gq.com/photos/563a54cddf121979786a2447/16:9/pass/harry-styles-man-bun.jpg)
Yes, it's functional,
@gentle_dissident , but if you are just going out, it looks stupid. Like I said, I have my hair in a man-bun while I'm working at my easel. My hair gets in my face and it greases up my glasses and I can't see otherwise, so I'll either put it in a bun or put a hat on... depending on how warm it is. I'd never go out in public like that willingly.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:29:30 AMI almost hate you for showing me that.
Good good. Let the hate flow through you.
(http://i.imgur.com/8txWf77.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cLNF43P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oRNXKo4.jpg)
Did I mention that it's not even that comfortable? Putting your hair in a bun gives you a headache, which makes you irritable. Kudos to women for being able to handle this look that all of a sudden is a new trend for men... for as long as women had long hair... which is basically forever.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 01:38:41 AM
Good good. Let the hate flow through you.
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This post just made me vomit in my mouth a bit from the level of hipster they are. I need to get out of this thread... before I punch a hole through my monitor....
(http://i.imgur.com/KFSnb9c.gif)
@PickelledEggs I used to be called either Manson or Jesus. I had a lot of hair. I got a lot of chicks. The hair was no problem.
With the bun, I'm not trying to attract the boys. Hate all you want, I know the chicks dig it. That's all that matters.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 01:43:15 AM
I used to be called either Manson or Jesus. I had a lot of hair, more than that guy. I got a lot of chicks. The hair was no problem.
With the bun, I'm not trying to attract the boys. Hate all you want, I know the chicks dig it. That's all that matters.
There are some women that love short hair and there are women that love long hair and there are hipster girls that love men with hair in buns.
I have pretty long hair. It's about shoulder length... maybe a little lower. Women love it. They put their hands in it and play with it. It's basically like using gummy worms for fishing.
Edit: here is a picture of me in front of my drawing at the show I was a part of in NYC this month for reference.
(http://i.imgur.com/kqexh0y.jpg)
As you can see, it is long enough to get in the way while I would be working, which... I've learned that the manbun is at least semi-functional.... but as a style to go out in public in... you will never catch a picture of me with a manbun out in public. Not once. Not ever. Not willingly, at least and not if I'm not working.
I just go short hair and clean shaven. No probs. Fuck fashion.
I used to have a beard, but looked weird - uniformly brown hair on my head but a beard that was speckled white and red. Looked bad. Like Jeff Bridges bad. Also, prone to painful rashes. So I shave.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
It's basically like using gummy worms for fishing.
Anyway, I've never had a problem with people who look or act like these hipster people. They remind me of me.
Nah. They're usually good people. They just look stupid. And transparently wanting to be with the same trends as everyone else is. It gives the impression (to me) that they don't have a personality of their own.... I guess that is the thing that frustrates me. Not the actual look, that it's the lack of personality and originality. They're fucking culture sheep.
The only reason my hair is long is because I kept procrastinating going to get a haircut. My job was a hell-hole when I worked my last retail job and the only day I had off during the week, was the only day that my hair-cutter was off.... so for about a year, I couldn't cut my hair. Eventually I started to like it long and wanted to see how long I could go. I haven't had a haircut in about 2 years now.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:46:11 AM
you will never catch a picture of me with a manbun out in public. Not once. Not ever. Not willingly, at least and not if I'm not working.
Got no idea how to fathom that attitude. I go out in boxer shorts only. I'd go out naked if they'd let me. When I do wear a shirt, it has something to do with Star Wars on it.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 01:55:33 AM
Got no idea how to fathom that attitude. I go out in boxer shorts only. I'd go out naked if they'd let me. When I do wear a shirt, it has something to do with Star Wars on it.
I take my garbage cans to the front of the house in solely my underwear on a regular basis... year round. I think, like I said in my last post, it's less about the look and more about how it's that hipsters give the impression that they lack a personality of their own and have no originality. They just copy. It's infuriating. I think that is what bothers me... it's less about the look for me and more about the mindset that they have.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 01:58:45 AM
it's less about the look and more about how it's that hipsters give the impression that they lack a personality of their own and have no originality. They just copy.
Now we're getting somewhere. How original are you?
Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
That is a cool record player. I've got some nice vintage portables saved on Pinterest. I've got a new retro portable pinned to my wish list.
(https://media.riffsy.com/images/91c7a8a29051716985db14995b45227f/raw)
Pinterest is a den of iniquity. Every time I'm browsing images, bam, popup login wall. Pure evil.
Quote from: stromboli on June 03, 2016, 11:34:43 PM
Seriously, I don't get it.
We've determined that they are old fashioned boys with ridiculous facial hair.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v690/androidlove/Imfeage1_zpssaz6ymv4.jpg)
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 02:05:39 AM
bam, popup login wall. Pure evil.
Yea, I didn't link to Pinterest. It's a bizarre nag.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 02:00:32 AM
Now we're getting somewhere. How original are you?
They broke the mold when they made me, buddy boy. ;)
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So...
-I drive a stick shift just because it's old-fashioned and that appeals to me.
-I have my haircut in the modern take on the classic men's haircut with the short side, long top because it appeals to me and looks good on me. When I had long hair I almost always wore it in a bun because it was comfortable and kept it out of my face.
-I wear a full beard because it appeals to me and it looks hella good on me.
-I spend alot of time in coffee houses, and no it really doesn't cost that much to get a $2.00 tea and sit there all day drawing or reading, or waiting for happy hour for a $4.00 pint of a local IPA that's normally more like $9.00 anywhere else.
-I am about to have geometric tattoos because they appeal to me and (I hope) will look good on me.
-I listen to some really eccentric music; from Chillstep to classical to Appalachian country to Mississipi Delta blues to Mongolian traditional to Armenian/Greek rock... I just like music of all genres.
-Likewise, I own a bunch of records because they are cool.
-I wear other culture's clothing because fuck it, it looks cool and I want to. If it is something that would be offensive to the culture then yeah I am not going to do it, like if it's something sacred... but by god, my favourite pieces of clothing are a traditional Native American poncho/hoody combo I bought in Navajo country and a "Peasant shirt" from New Mexico.
I am by most definitions a hipster, but I will be honest... I don't know if I have a single hipster friend. I really don't give a shit about trying to fit into that group, it's just how I enjoy dressing and maintaining my body, and most "hipsters" I know are similar. I think the people who hate hipsters give them far too much credit of being some organized group instead of just, "Oh, this looks cool and looks good on me so I am going to do it."
Yeah. If it walks like a duck...
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The thing is. Hive mindset is Hive mindset. You don't need to get together with a group of people to be a part of the Hive mindset/trend/style
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Quote from: Shiranu on June 04, 2016, 02:27:00 AM
So...
-I drive a stick shift just because it's old-fashioned and that appeals to me.
-I have my haircut in the modern take on the classic men's haircut with the short side, long top because it appeals to me and looks good on me. When I had long hair I almost always wore it in a bun because it was comfortable and kept it out of my face.
-I wear a full beard because it appeals to me and it looks hella good on me.
-I spend alot of time in coffee houses, and no it really doesn't cost that much to get a $2.00 tea and sit there all day drawing or reading, or waiting for happy hour for a $4.00 pint of a local IPA that's normally more like $9.00 anywhere else.
-I am about to have geometric tattoos because they appeal to me and (I hope) will look good on me.
-I listen to some really eccentric music; from Chillstep to classical to Appalachian country to Mississipi Delta blues to Mongolian traditional to Armenian/Greek rock... I just like music of all genres.
-Likewise, I own a bunch of records because they are cool.
-I wear other culture's clothing because fuck it, it looks cool and I want to. If it is something that would be offensive to the culture then yeah I am not going to do it, like if it's something sacred... but by god, my favourite pieces of clothing are a traditional Native American poncho/hoody combo I bought in Navajo country and a "Peasant shirt" from New Mexico.
Hey, you do you. Whatever floats your boat, more power to ya.
But still, it's strange that stuff that you happen to like coincides so well with hipster norms. I mean, that can't be pure coincidence. Though I feel like a direct accusation of conformity to a subculture would be like the neckbeard pot calling the hipster kettle black. :P
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 02:40:12 AM
The thing is. Hive mindset is Hive mindset.
Do you think these people synchronize?
Some hipsters are accused of experimenting while others are accused of conforming?
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 02:49:23 AM
Hey, you do you. Whatever floats your boat, more power to ya.
But still, it's strange that stuff that you happen to like coincides so well with hipster norms. I mean, that can't be pure coincidence. Though I feel like a direct accusation of conformity to a subculture would be like the neckbeard pot calling the hipster kettle black. :P
Yes, I am a bit of a warhammer 40k figurine gluing, DoTA2 playing. neckbeard. I will never deny that... lol
Us neckbeards tend to get pissy quite easily.
Quote from: gentle_dissident on June 04, 2016, 02:51:43 AM
Do you think these people synchronize?
Some hipsters are accused of experimenting while others are accused of conforming?
A select few are genuinely (or at least partially genuinely) original and developed a trend of their own.
QuoteBut still, it's strange that stuff that you happen to like coincides so well with hipster norms. I mean, that can't be pure coincidence.
I mean, they exposed me to several of the things and other's were from growing up in the country, to a family from the late 1800s. It's a mix of some of the stuff just naturally appealed to me and others, when I saw hipsters doing them, decided to try them for myself and decided I liked it.
But then I take things from other "subcultures" that I like and do them as well; I wear Nike sweats and Mizuno trainers about as often as I wear my Navajo jacket, or play soccer or watch basketball as much as enjoy art and music. And I enjoy expensive and cheap drinks, watch "mainstream" as hell news and entertainment as much as "underground" and whatever... lefty?... ... really it's just a matter of if something appeals to me, I go for it. It just happens that the hipster life style coincides with things I agree with more often than not. At heart, I consider myself somewhat of a modern Romantic and the hipster lifestyle borrows heavily from certain Romantic mindsets.
QuoteThe thing is. Hive mindset is Hive mindset. You don't need to get together with a group of people to be a part of the Hive mindset/trend/style
Every human is, in one way or another, part of some sort of hive mindset and culture. That is the underlying key factor of what it means to be a social animal. As long as it doesn't harm anyone else, then I am cool with people identifying with whatever subculture they want to. If someone enjoys something I don't, I just don't feel any need to judge them for it.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 04, 2016, 03:04:57 AM
Every human is, in one way or another, part of some sort of hive mindset and culture.
Yes. And some people, more than others.
Not really sure what a navajo jacket has to do with being a hipster though...
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 02:52:50 AMYes, I am a bit of a warhammer 40k figurine gluing, DoTA2 playing. neckbeard. I will never deny that... lol
Us neckbeards tend to get pissy quite easily.
I was referring to myself. In my defense, I have no facial hair and no fedora/trilby. But I'm a fanboy of lots of "neckbeard stuff" like GoT and mlp and comics. Also a fan of other stuff not quite as stigmatized. So, kind of a mix.
But I spend way too much time on Imgur and I swear to God, that place changes you. If Imgur loves X, you grow like it too. And if they hate X, so do you. And it's not like you actively decide that you're going to conform, you just see a post and impulsively bingewatch Firefly and Futurama. And before you know it, your room is filled with posters of Emma Watson and Jennifer Lawrence. It's insidious.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on June 04, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
Not really sure what a navajo jacket has to do with being a hipster though...
Hipsters often wear clothing of other cultures, or at least that's something that's been thrown at me.
To me, "hipsters" as you describe them or they are stereotyped as are no different then people who wear anime shirts, go to D&D games, wear sports tops, whatever. So what if you want to enjoy a shared common interest with other people? That's something to enjoy, not put down because it's not the same interest you have.
Edit: And that's not aimed at you so much as just an over-arching statement towards judging any group just because they do things different.
I think the main thing to take from this is. At least we aren't jocks. Hipsters and neckbeards aren't so bad.
Quote from: Shiranu on June 04, 2016, 03:13:55 AM
Hipsters often wear clothing of other cultures, or at least that's something that's been thrown at me.
I wasn't aware of that stereotype... lol I'm a bit out of the loop.
Oh, for crying out loud! It's forging an identity! It's like me and being a mathematician. I wear the costume. I've got the slacks and sports jackets and shirts and ties. I already smoked the pipe and wore the glasses. All I had to do was get the pocket protector and poke it full of pens. There I was. I've not got my doctorate yet, but people already assume I'm a professor. I'm certainly old enough to be one. I even carry a briefcase.
It's forging an identity. Everyone wears the costume that he/she thinks will make him/her look like what he/she wants to be. Most people want to fit in somewhere - so, they adopt the costume of the crowd of their choice.
hipsters
bikers
emos
hippies
tough guys
rednecks
you name it
Quote from: Shiranu on June 04, 2016, 03:04:57 AMEvery human is, in one way or another, part of some sort of hive mindset and culture. That is the underlying key factor of what it means to be a social animal. As long as it doesn't harm anyone else, then I am cool with people identifying with whatever subculture they want to. If someone enjoys something I don't, I just don't feel any need to judge them for it.
Same here, though I do hold some exceptions (http://img.ifcdn.com/images/1ea7f5752f3265f84cf8275d79560ced874a8745f6a6e770ac9b182bbc99d3e0_1.jpg). Also, jocks and rednecks.
I think most of the hate hipsters get is related to the possibly mistaken impression that hipsters are pretentious and judgemental. For example, judging someone else for listening to Coldplay instead of southern Himalayan acoustic watercore. If you're just doing your thing and not being a nuisance to others, there's no real reason to rag on you for being a hipster.
Quote from: Hydra009 on June 04, 2016, 03:35:54 AM
Same here, though I do hold some exceptions (http://img.ifcdn.com/images/1ea7f5752f3265f84cf8275d79560ced874a8745f6a6e770ac9b182bbc99d3e0_1.jpg). Also, jocks and rednecks.
I think most of the hate hipsters get is related to the possibly mistaken impression that hipsters are pretentious and judgemental. For example, judging someone else for listening to Coldplay instead of southern Himalayan acoustic watercore. If you're just doing your thing and not being a nuisance to others, there's no real reason to rag on you for being a hipster.
I wish I could like this post twice, for itself and for the comic.
So... after reading the wiki on hipsters, I have come to the conclusion that the number of people who work at my local walmart, people who I had assumed were transgender or homosexual are likely Hipsters instead.
Quote from: stromboliI'm sure somebody will set me straight.
It won't be me. :)
This is all new to me. Hipsters were a fad back during my Dad's time, say in the 30s and 40s. They weren't a big group, nothing compared to the flappers of the 20s. In the 60s the hippies showed up. That was a big subsection and they showed up everywhere. I used to wonder why such an uncreative name. Hipster had already been used up, and there was no similarity between hipsters and hippies. In fact, in some ways they were the exact opposites. Now apparently, there's a new group in another new movement, same name, but completely different than hipsters. Can the Department of Labels and Acronyms start coming up with new names for new groups, instead of just calling every new movement hipsters? What do we pay these people for?
Supposedly Hippies were a follow on to the beat generation, which saw everything from beat poetry (some of it is actually pretty good) drug usage to comedians like Lenny Bruce. "Howl" by Ginsburg should be required reading for college students.
I have a full beard because initially it was traditional for the Sub service and I have some scars on my lower face that it covers. I have no tattoos, no distinguishing features and wear no jewelry. I am a white shadow. I can walk into any gun show, American Legion, VFW post and look like I belong. Short hair because I've had long hair and it was more effort to deal with it than cut it off. I can get a $6 haircut every other month and I'm good.
Tools and equipment? I've got tools that are older than people on the forum. I have a leather tool kit that dates originally back to the 60s. But I don't have anything I don't use on a more or less regular basis and I discard what is no longer useful by way of swaps or our yearly community yard sale.
I am all about practicality and what works. I understand hippies because people like Jeff Shurtleff founded Mother Earth News. The Whole Earth Catalog was in a way a precursor to the internet in book form. The editor, Kevin Kelly, was the first editor of Wired magazine and runs the "Cool Tools" website that I contribute to.
If I buy something it is because it is practical and has a use. Which is why I keep tools forever. My computer is 7 years old. I use a flip phone (gasp!) because I can text on it and that's all I need, being nearly deaf. I have a laptop I use mostly for word processing and watching CD videos and streaming Netflix. It is 2 years old.
All the above is why I don't get invited out much. :biggrin:
Thanks for the video. About the only "quality" I could claim is having drunk Pabst Blue Ribbon. decades ago.
And I've known a share of hippies and none of them smelled.