http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/zimmermans-gun-used-kill-trayvon-martin-temporarily-pulled-auction-n574116 (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/zimmermans-gun-used-kill-trayvon-martin-temporarily-pulled-auction-n574116)
QuoteAn auction listing for the gun George Zimmerman used to kill Florida teenager Trayvon Martin has been removed online after a slew of apparently bogus bids.
It's the second time the listing (http://unitedgungroup.com/auction/detail/auction/9/slug/george-zimmerman-s-gun-used-2-26-12)has been taken down. This time, it was following questionable offers (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bids-top-65m-gun-george-zimmerman-used-kill-trayvon-martin-n573816) from bidders â€" such as one who went by the handle "Racist McShootFace" â€" topping $65 million Friday on UnitedGunGroup.com./
The listing for the 9 mm Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol described the gun as a "piece of American History." In the post, Zimmerman, 32, said he had recently gotten the firearm back from the Justice Department and had been contacted by people who wanted to buy it.
"However, the offers were to use the gun in a fashion I did not feel comfortable with," he wrote.
Neither Zimmerman nor his attorney have commented about reactions to the pistol being put up for auction, a move heavily criticized on social media.
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's parents, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, said Thursday that "it's just shocking" the weapon was going to be sold.
"Somebody's actually talking about profiting from the loss of their child and it's just very hurtful to them," he told NBC News.
Zimmerman filed a defamation lawsuit against NBC News in 2012. A judge dismissed that claim in 2014. Zimmerman appealed, but a judge ruled against him.
I am no longer annoyed by his antics, nor overly upset by them. I feel bad for him, the guy has issues. It's only shameful that we didn't get him the help he needed before or after he murdered a child. I guess what I really don't get, and why I bother to post this, is why we as a society feel that the idolization of murderers, wife beaters and other people who were never taught self-control or have something wrong in the head is more important than fixing these people.
"However, the offers were to use the gun in a fashion I did not feel comfortable with," he wrote.
Shooting people, he was comfortable with that. I can only suppose someone wanted to use it as a My Little Ponyâ,,¢ dildo proto-type.
You meet a woman and want to have a relationship with her. The first thing you do is take her home, and tell her, "I want to show you something." Take her into your den, bedroom, closet, or wherever your secret hiding place is, take out your Zimmerman gun, and tell her what makes it so valuable to you. She'll jump in the sack with you right there, because you've shown yourself to be a man of great substance and impeccable tastes.
He should shoot himself w/that gun. Then his widow should be able to auction it as a gun w/2 bodies on it. One that should be alive - and one that shouldn't.
Glorifying vigilantes ... not good.
If he had auctioned it to give the proceeds to Treyvon's family ... that would at least be half nice. The gun should then be donated to the FBI collection ... next to Dillinger's gun.
Good for Zimmerman. The shooting was justified and this gun is only a "piece of American history" because of the dumbass corporate media that was obsessed with this non-story. Zim may as well take advantage of the stupid shit the media spews by making himself some money. And no, Treyvon's family doesn't need a dime of it. They've gotten plenty of big donations. They will be fine.
Lol okay.
There were a lot of bad choices made by Zimmerman leading up to the moment he pulled the trigger. However, when he was getting attacked it was the only choice.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 15, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Good for Zimmerman. The shooting was justified and this gun is only a "piece of American history" because of the dumbass corporate media that was obsessed with this non-story. Zim may as well take advantage of the stupid shit the media spews by making himself some money. And no, Treyvon's family doesn't need a dime of it. They've gotten plenty of big donations. They will be fine.
Sorry, you weren't there. Neither was I. Any comment is based solely on prejudice.
Zimmerman's subsequent violent behavior gives me pause to think what kind of man he is. Not someone I would like to know.
Oh for fuck sake. Way to go dude. Just what the forum needed. Another Zimmerman thread. Can't wait to see what inspiring and thought provoking debate comes out of it.
Don't think there is much to debate, this has little to do with him, even less of his guilt, and is instead a sad example of how we as humans ( do other countries do this as much? Maybe it's just an American thing...) idolize controversy to the extent that a woman beating, disrespectful asshole with several run ins with the law and a kill to his name can auction his weapon as a piece of American history to donate the money to bigotry groups... and there are people chomping at the bits to buy it.
That scares me far more than Zimmerman and is of far more importance than one pathetic man with mental issues.
This is, anyways, why I posted it. I'm not going to censor myself just because some people might find the topic controversial. Offensive and hurtful? Certainly. But not controversial.
Quote from: Baruch on May 15, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Sorry, you weren't there. Neither was I. Any comment is based solely on prejudice.
Zimmerman's subsequent violent behavior gives me pause to think what kind of man he is. Not someone I would like to know.
I have no doubt Zimmerman is a prick. The media sees the need to report on every little thing he does in his life, and his reputation can't get much worse at this point, so he might as well make him some money. Yeah it's insensitive, but he can't make his reputation any worse than it already is. My problem with the Trayvon case blowing up and being the biggest court case in years, is that there was never any reason to think that a murder was committed. There was never any evidence to show that a murder took place, yet people still continue on with their religious belief to this day, calling him a murderer or telling him to shoot himself.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 15, 2016, 09:17:15 PM
Don't think there is much to debate, this has little to do with him, even less of his guilt, and is instead a sad example of how we as humans ( do other countries do this as much? Maybe it's just an American thing...) idolize controversy to the extent that a woman beating, disrespectful asshole with several run ins with the law and a kill to his name can auction his weapon as a piece of American history to donate the money to bigotry groups... and there are people chomping at the bits to buy it.
Murderabilia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderabilia).
I think most of the problem is that killers are made famous, creating a market for grisly mementos in much the same way that there's a market for other historical memorabilia like Mount Saint Helens ash, WW2 Japanese swords, and Civil War rifles.
Because nobody believes for a minute that he would have shot an unarmed white boy under otherwise exactly the same circumstances. He shot that boy for being black in his neighborhood. And it doesn't matter that Zimmerman was Hispanic.
Quote from: marom1963 on May 16, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Because nobody believes for a minute that he would have shot an unarmed white boy under otherwise exactly the same circumstances. He shot that boy for being black in his neighborhood. And it doesn't matter that Zimmerman was Hispanic.
I have an idea. How about we not discuss that incident in this thread? We already have several long and heated threads devoted to exactly that.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 16, 2016, 02:23:38 PM
I have an idea. How about we not discuss that incident in this thread? We already have several long and heated threads devoted to exactly that.
Fine.
But tell me - what is the gun w/o the incident attached to it besides - a gun? Who would pay more than its retail value for just - a gun?
I'll shut up - if everyone else shuts up.
Quote from: marom1963 on May 16, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
Because nobody believes for a minute that he would have shot an unarmed white boy under otherwise exactly the same circumstances. He shot that boy for being black in his neighborhood. And it doesn't matter that Zimmerman was Hispanic.
He would have shot anyone that was beating the crap out of him.
Quote from: Hydra009 on May 16, 2016, 02:12:56 PM
Murderabilia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderabilia).
I think most of the problem is that killers are made famous, creating a market for grisly mementos in much the same way that there's a market for other historical memorabilia like Mount Saint Helens ash, WW2 Japanese swords, and Civil War rifles.
Perhaps. There is a difference between war or tragedy memorabilia for the sake of owning it or as a "trophy" (I have a German Officer's Bayonet and an old Mannleicher, neither of which are trophies of course) brought back after WW2 and what is happening here though. The difference was the money paid for them did not go towards the Nazi party or a Neo-Nazi group. Nor does the money for St. Helen ashes go towards organizations that want to deface and belittle Firefighters or Seismologists.
Murderabillia, as far as I know, does not generally go towards feeding the ego of the murderer or funding hateful causes he supports but is rather sold by private individuals who happened upon these items and want to make a quick buck, and that is where I take issue. If you want to own the knife Jack the Ripper chopped his victims up with, or a pen owned by Charlie Manson then have at it... it is your money, enjoy it it. I find it morally objectionable but not "wrong"... what I find truly disgusting and abhorrent is to line up to buy an item that you know the money will go towards bigotry all so you can, at best, own something of controversial violence. At worst this becomes just what it is... an auction for hateful individuals to donate more money to hateful organizations.
This is why I am more or less ignoring the Zimmerman issue going on in this thread, because it is irrelevant... his guilt or innocence is completely inconsequential here. What is important is that people who believe he murdered Treyvon because he was black want to buy the gun because it was the gun used to kill a black kid, and to sweeten the deal the money goes towards combating black rights/oppression awareness groups. Who cares about Zimmerman when you have these people actively admitting their guilt?
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 15, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Good for Zimmerman. The shooting was justified and this gun is only a "piece of American history" because of the dumbass corporate media that was obsessed with this non-story. Zim may as well take advantage of the stupid shit the media spews by making himself some money. And no, Treyvon's family doesn't need a dime of it. They've gotten plenty of big donations. They will be fine.
they would be even finer if Treyvon were back.
My thoughts about Zimmerman..we're all entitled to our own opinions, but we're not entitled to our own facts. I no longer trust nor believe the media reports one way or the other whether they support him or they try to demonize him. The guy is a pariah to some people and a hero to others.
My personal opinion of him which is not very high is irrelevant.
Quote from: KUSA on May 16, 2016, 03:01:09 PM
He would have shot anyone that was beating the crap out of him.
Maybe, but that isn't what the law says.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 16, 2016, 01:20:13 PM
I have no doubt Zimmerman is a prick. The media sees the need to report on every little thing he does in his life, and his reputation can't get much worse at this point, so he might as well make him some money. Yeah it's insensitive, but he can't make his reputation any worse than it already is. My problem with the Trayvon case blowing up and being the biggest court case in years, is that there was never any reason to think that a murder was committed. There was never any evidence to show that a murder took place, yet people still continue on with their religious belief to this day, calling him a murderer or telling him to shoot himself.
It wasn't murder one as I understand it. But the law is more complicated than that .. all the way down to manslaughter three.
Quote from: Baruch on May 16, 2016, 07:05:24 PM
Maybe, but that isn't what the law says.
What did the law say?
Quote from: KUSA on May 16, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
What did the law say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjaj08sJBf4
Sorry, I had to. :lol:
Remember that period of time in the beginning when Trayvon was an innocent 14 year old buying Skittles at the corner store?
So many people on these forums are so certain of his guilt. Reason range from "i don't like him as a person" to "Trayvon was black and Zimmerman wasn't therefore it was murder not self defense". You're all supposed to be skeptics. Do any of you apply that thought process to anything outside the question of religion?
Theres not enough evidence to conclude that it was murder, and nobody knows how the altercation went down. Yet so many of you are 100% certain he murdered an innocent black kid. What exactly are you basing that on? And just so we are clear I don't want to hear any circumstantial evidence cause theres enough of THAT to sufficiently support both sides. Whats your definitive proof? What piece of evidence makes you believe that you aren't just jumping to an emotionally driven conclusion?
If you can't give me a reasonable answer, and you consider yourself a skeptic, you may want to step back and take a look at yourself for a moment. THIS skeptic will continue to refuse to believe in things until sufficient evidence for them is available or attainable.
Again, all irrelevant to the actual topic at hand.
Well let's be honest, the guy, hate or like, has an opportunity to make some money on his notoriety. Given his recent history of marital problems, legal problems and whatever else is pending, the smart thing is to take whatever you have that has a real chance of making some money. I have absolutely no problem with what he is doing. If he gets 3 million bucks don't blame him, blame the whack job that paid that. I am sure he is not getting more than 10 grand but hey….nuts with money abound.
You, I, they, them, never get a chance in life to have the opportunity to make money off of any type of notoriety. Yeah this probably sucks for him as well, but it is the ONLY venue he has. Hate him..fine. Go on the net and rip all you want. But grant that the chance is indeed all he has and all he will most likely ever get. It it perfectly fine to hate this, but this is a case of some type of weird whacko supply and demand that I can't understand. Don't blame the jackass for making money off it, blame the people paying it.
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 16, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
Remember that period of time in the beginning when Trayvon was an innocent 14 year old buying Skittles at the corner store?
So many people on these forums are so certain of his guilt. Reason range from "i don't like him as a person" to "Trayvon was black and Zimmerman wasn't therefore it was murder not self defense". You're all supposed to be skeptics. Do any of you apply that thought process to anything outside the question of religion?
Theres not enough evidence to conclude that it was murder, and nobody knows how the altercation went down. Yet so many of you are 100% certain he murdered an innocent black kid. What exactly are you basing that on? And just so we are clear I don't want to hear any circumstantial evidence cause theres enough of THAT to sufficiently support both sides. Whats your definitive proof? What piece of evidence makes you believe that you aren't just jumping to an emotionally driven conclusion?
If you can't give me a reasonable answer, and you consider yourself a skeptic, you may want to step back and take a look at yourself for a moment. THIS skeptic will continue to refuse to believe in things until sufficient evidence for them is available or attainable.
From my point of view, if Zimmerman had backed off when the police had told him to, that innocent or criminal (or however you view him) black kid would not be dead now. Since he refused to do as the police suggest, then he has to accept more of the responsibility of what happened later on. And from all that I can glean, he was a wannabe police officer of some sort; and carrying a loaded pistol with him on his 'patrol' was not the most prudent thing to do. I don't care if it is labeled murder or not, the kid lost his life because of the lack of responsible behavior of Zimmerman.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 16, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
From my point of view, if Zimmerman had backed off when the police had told him to, that innocent or criminal (or however you view him) black kid would not be dead now. Since he refused to do as the police suggest, then he has to accept more of the responsibility of what happened later on. And from all that I can glean, he was a wannabe police officer of some sort; and carrying a loaded pistol with him on his 'patrol' was not the most prudent thing to do. I don't care if it is labeled murder or not, the kid lost his life because of the lack of responsible behavior of Zimmerman.
I don't see how you can place responsibility on Zimmerman for following him but not on Martin for assaulting Zimmerman. If Martin assaulted Zimmerman, then all bets are off. 100% of the responsibility for Martin's death lies with himself if he attacked Zimmerman. All he had to do was not attack someone and he would be alive.
Sadly, we won't ever know what happened in that alley, which means that assigning blame and responsibility is an emotional exercise not a fact based one. I refuse to engage in it, and in situations where theres not enough evidence to arrive at a conclusion i tend to side with the law which states he is innocent until proven guilty. Since it is not possible, based on the available facts, to prove he is guilty that means he is innocent.
As a side note: I think people should stop trying to tell others what to talk about or discuss on these forums. Theres hardly a thread posted that does not eventually evolve beyond the original topic. I know some of you don't want to revisit this issue. Thats fine, just dont read or respond to the posts you aren't interested in. But don't try to tell people what to say. Surely we aren't that draconian here.
As to the auction, its obviously in pretty poor taste. One thing I won't argue is that Zimmerman shows no remorse for the death of Martin, as is exemplified in this garish auction. I don't see it as an indication of guilt though. If I killed someone while defending myself I would be hard pressed to summon any remorse.
Then again I wouldn't be auctioning the item I used to kill them.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on May 16, 2016, 08:38:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjaj08sJBf4
Sorry, I had to. :lol:
Weak.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 16, 2016, 09:26:49 PM
Again, all irrelevant to the actual topic at hand.
From the look of things, that ship seems to have sailed already.
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 17, 2016, 12:02:27 AM
I don't see how you can place responsibility on Zimmerman for following him but not on Martin for assaulting Zimmerman. If Martin assaulted Zimmerman, then all bets are off. 100% of the responsibility for Martin's death lies with himself if he attacked Zimmerman. All he had to do was not attack someone and he would be alive.
I'm not sure what I'd do if I were not far from home, and I noticed that I was being followed. Would I run or confront the person following? Would I be feeling brave--or scared shitless--especially if the other was seen to be armed. In any case, if Zimmerman had simply backed off as the police told him to, none of this would have happened. I look at this the same as the blame that is assigned in a crime in which a person is only a driver and does nothing but drive--his partner does the crime. Both get equal blame for the crime, for the crime would not have happened if both had not been there.
Quote from: KUSA on May 16, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
What did the law say?
NRA says, I can use my AK-47 on you, if I don't like the way you are looking at me.
The law will say in many places, you only use deadly force, if it is justifiable. True for cops and civilians. If Trayvon had been armed even with a knife ... one can assume he was deadly ... if just his hands ... then not so much.
Quote from: Nonsensei on May 16, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
Remember that period of time in the beginning when Trayvon was an innocent 14 year old buying Skittles at the corner store?
So many people on these forums are so certain of his guilt. Reason range from "i don't like him as a person" to "Trayvon was black and Zimmerman wasn't therefore it was murder not self defense". You're all supposed to be skeptics. Do any of you apply that thought process to anything outside the question of religion?
Theres not enough evidence to conclude that it was murder, and nobody knows how the altercation went down. Yet so many of you are 100% certain he murdered an innocent black kid. What exactly are you basing that on? And just so we are clear I don't want to hear any circumstantial evidence cause theres enough of THAT to sufficiently support both sides. Whats your definitive proof? What piece of evidence makes you believe that you aren't just jumping to an emotionally driven conclusion?
If you can't give me a reasonable answer, and you consider yourself a skeptic, you may want to step back and take a look at yourself for a moment. THIS skeptic will continue to refuse to believe in things until sufficient evidence for them is available or attainable.
Nobody is innocent. On that basis, I can kill all of you, in self defense. Proportional response, not based on psychosis or racism ... please!
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 16, 2016, 11:16:15 PM
From my point of view, if Zimmerman had backed off when the police had told him to,
Zimmerman didn't follow the dispatcher's suggestion, so he's responsible for Trayvon's death and he is a monster. Mike Brown didn't follow police orders, but he's a hero and is in no way responsible for his own death. Makes sense. Way to stay consistent, guys.
"If Trayvon were white, he would still be alive." Good to know. I guess out of the billions of racist people in the world, none of them have ever justifiably defended themselves. Never happened in human history. Trayvon being black is satisfactory evidence to show that a murder was committed.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 17, 2016, 01:45:33 PM
Zimmerman didn't follow the dispatcher's suggestion, so he's responsible for Trayvon's death and he is a monster. Mike Brown didn't follow police orders, but he's a hero and is in no way responsible for his own death. Makes sense. Way to stay consistent, guys.
"If Trayvon were white, he would still be alive." Good to know. I guess out of the billions of racist people in the world, none of them have ever justifiably defended themselves. Never happened in human history. Trayvon being black is satisfactory evidence to show that a murder was committed.
You are shoveling a lot of shit into my comments--shit I did not put there. My only comment was that if---in this case--Zimmerman had followed the police suggestion Trayvon would still be alive. I made no comment about the colors of the people involved--means nothing to me. I did not make any comment about Brown and it is irrelevant the point I was/am making. As for the billions of racists in the world--what does that have to do with anything I was talking about????? Zimmerman is a monster? I did not say that--you did. As seen from subsequent events he is a tad bit unhinged, however--to put it kindly. Comment all you like on what I say--try keeping to what I said and not what you want me to say.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 17, 2016, 01:45:33 PM
Zimmerman didn't follow the dispatcher's suggestion, so he's responsible for Trayvon's death and he is a monster. Mike Brown didn't follow police orders, but he's a hero and is in no way responsible for his own death. Makes sense. Way to stay consistent, guys.
"If Trayvon were white, he would still be alive." Good to know. I guess out of the billions of racist people in the world, none of them have ever justifiably defended themselves. Never happened in human history. Trayvon being black is satisfactory evidence to show that a murder was committed.
I cannot speak for Mike, nor can you, but I think the overwhelming consensus is that it means Zimmerman has (alot of) responsibility for the situation escalating, not that he is completely and solely responsible. A distinction that seems to get ignored way too much whenever any situation like this arises. Saying that one party fucked up badly is not a statement of the other sides complete and utter innocence, it just means that one party fucked up bad.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2016, 03:39:16 PM
You are shoveling a lot of shit into my comments--shit I did not put there. My only comment was that if---in this case--Zimmerman had followed the police suggestion Trayvon would still be alive. I made no comment about the colors of the people involved--means nothing to me. I did not make any comment about Brown and it is irrelevant the point I was/am making. As for the billions of racists in the world--what does that have to do with anything I was talking about????? Zimmerman is a monster? I did not say that--you did. As seen from subsequent events he is a tad bit unhinged, however--to put it kindly. Comment all you like on what I say--try keeping to what I said and not what you want me to say.
You're right. I was speaking to the people who think Zimmerman is a murderer in general, and I should have been more clear about that. I apologise. I don't know your opinion on the Mike Brown case, but I just find it funny how many people who think Zimmerman is a murderer will sound like some pro-police, anti-Black Lives Matter groups when talking about the case. "He should have just listened to the police dispatcher. If he had done what the police dispatcher had wanted him to do, no one would have died." This is the same nonsense that you hear from the racist organizations who brush aside all of the cases where black people have wrongfully been shot and killed by police. "The no good black thug should have just followed orders, and no one would have been killed." So, my point is that this argument doesn't even work when someone really does go against police orders, which Zimmerman never came close to doing, because he was never given any orders by police in the first place.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 17, 2016, 03:56:46 PM
I cannot speak for Mike, nor can you, but I think the overwhelming consensus is that it means Zimmerman has (alot of) responsibility for the situation escalating, not that he is completely and solely responsible. A distinction that seems to get ignored way too much whenever any situation like this arises. Saying that one party fucked up badly is not a statement of the other sides complete and utter innocence, it just means that one party fucked up bad.
I agree that Zimmerman has responsibility for the situation escalating, but so what? Eric Garner has responsibility for his situation escalating by not being ok with his arrest right away. That matters very little to me. What happened to Eric Garner was still wrong as hell, whether he was responsible for the situation escalating or not. So yeah, Eric Garner fucked up badly by doing things his way. Zimmerman fucked up badly by doing things his way. Zimmerman was well within his rights to "fuck up badly" however. One needs to do a lot more than fuck up badly to be a murderer.
Killer then? That covers Murder 1 thru Manslaughter 3. And clearly since Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman, he isn't innocent either. Two stupid guys.
QuoteZimmerman was well within his rights to "fuck up badly" however.
When it leaves someone laying dead in the street, then it becomes a little bit more serious than just what his rights were or weren't.
"Your right" to do something doesn't make it right. And the court ruled he was within his "rights", not that he was right... which is far more important imo. He left a kid dead, so calling him a murderer is not a inaccurate statement. He is, by definition, a murderer, under common language if not legal jargon.
QuoteOne needs to do a lot more than fuck up badly to be a murderer.
Shooting someone generally falls into that range of "a lot more".
and…….we're off again…..
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I had sworn myself off the crack that is this controversy, yet here I am...
With that, I will now bow out since the thread never was on topic nor can I stay on it myself. Au revoir.
Quote from: KUSA on May 16, 2016, 03:01:09 PM
He would have shot anyone that was beating the crap out of him.
There is no way to know that unless everyone beats the crap out of him.
Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2016, 06:22:15 AM
There is no way to know that unless everyone beats the crap out of him.
We should test that, by having assholes regularly pummel him, and see if he uses a personal nuke next time ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 17, 2016, 07:11:48 PM
Killer then? That covers Murder 1 thru Manslaughter 3. And clearly since Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman, he isn't innocent either. Two stupid guys.
Yes. Trayvon Martin is dead and Zimmerman doesn't deny killing him, so he certainly is a killer.
Quote from: Shiranu on May 17, 2016, 08:01:45 PM
Shooting someone generally falls into that range of "a lot more".
Shooting someone and taking a life is not illegal in the United States of America. I understand you never wanted to get into the details of the case, and neither did I, so I will bow out now as well. It's just that when a truth claim is made in the OP that can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, people are bound to point out that you are making a claim that can't sufficiently be shown to be true with the evidence we have at our disposal. If you had just called Zimmerman a scumbag or something, I don't think anyone would have objected. Zimmerman certainly seems to be a scumbag.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on May 15, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Good for Zimmerman. The shooting was justified and this gun is only a "piece of American history" because of the dumbass corporate media that was obsessed with this non-story. Zim may as well take advantage of the stupid shit the media spews by making himself some money. And no, Treyvon's family doesn't need a dime of it. They've gotten plenty of big donations. They will be fine.
I have to agree with FIF on this one.
Zimmerman should have stayed in his car as instructed by the police. He didn't. Dumbass move #1. Zimmerman should
not have approached or questioned Martin. He did. Dumbass move #2. The physical evidence supports Zimmerman's version of the subsequent altercation (he was getting his ass kicked); final equation: getting his head bashed on the concrete. Die or shoot.
Did Zim precipitate the incident? Hell yea! I still can't believe he was never charged with anything pertaining to the incident causation. Zimmmerman is still a dumbass; it was easily predictable that selling the gun, based on it's notoriety would turn into a circus. Still it's his; he can sell it if he wants to and spend the proceeds as he sees fit.
Maybe Zimmerman, John Bobbit, and Tonya Harding could start a post incident losers club? Do the talk show, and casino circuits.
Nothing is illegal in America, if you have the right lawyer ;-)
Good thing I don't believe in justice or any legal system at all ... thugs with or without badges.
I had neutral feelings about the case then, and skewer me if you want to, I have neutral feelings about it now. That being said, Zimmerman has shown himself to be a piece of shit. I use to feel sorry for the man, no more.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on May 18, 2016, 11:47:13 PMI used to feel sorry for the man, no more.
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