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Started by Mr.Obvious, August 05, 2021, 06:17:15 AM

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Mr.Obvious

I realize Brexit may not still be a big part of most of you guys' lives.
And hell, a lot of new spectacular shit has happened since that referendum half a decade ago and the resulting brexit half a year ago.

But I'm still keeping an eye on it. It hits a bit closer to home, for me, I guess.

The UK breaking international law, the blatant disregard for peace on the island of Ireland from number 10 Downing Street, the lacking response from the EU on our part (filled with, in my opinion, too much appeasing and coddling)... It captivates me.

But nothing more than the fact that all these Brexiteers are now just piling blame onto the EU for all the costs they have add in their trades with their main  trading partners, approaching extra tarifs on travelling from their third country to the EU,  added costs and timeloss in checks, shortages in supermarkets, lack of funding in certain area's for projects that were supported by the EU, lack of lorry drivers and seasonal workers, ...
It's amazing in a very bad way... You were warned this was exactly what would happen, I feel like. And even your leaders acknowledged that at the time. Or most of them did. They claimed it'd be a small price to pay for sovereignty and that other benefits would outway these 'small' problems.
Yes, you were lied to by those you trusted and evidently still trust. Yes, you are now worse of. But what gives you the audacity to pin this now on the people who have been warning you that exactly this would happen, not out of spite or anti-british post brexit hatred; but because that is exactly what you chose for. You wanted to become a third country. It was evident what it would entail. It was known... It's just so infuriating to watch. And almost half of the population of GB, apparently, still pin this on the EU, still believing the bullshit lies that these are  spitefull hatefilled tactics aimed especially at the UK for leaving them.

I'll be honest Boris Johnson and his cronies may have even improved on the dishonesty-politics of Trump. Yes, Trump's following is just as blind and stupidly loyal in the face of  scandalous and monstrous behaviour from number 45 and his team. (Including ripping off his own supporters.) But the UK's government has actually gotten what they wanted and still managed to play that off as the fault of an organisation that they are no longer part of and that has exactly zero input into their policies. They broke their own legs with a baseball bat and cry how the EU is crippling them. For fuck's sake... it gets me angry.
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Mr.Obvious

#1
Made it myself from the blank slate, epic paint-skillz I have them.



Sorry if I'm beatin a dead horse. But it feels very much like a equine zombie to me.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

SGOS

#2
Thanks for that.  You are right, I have heard zero about Brexit after it happened, and after all the pre brexit controversy, I was curious how it would turn out, but this is not unusual for our American Media, and it's not necessarily because it's about a foreign continent.  They often drop the ball after the high interest shock value is gone.  I wonder a lot about how things turn out in my own country.

This part is especially interesting:
QuoteBut nothing more than the fact that all these Brexiteers are now just piling blame onto the EU for all the costs they have add in their trades with their main  trading partners, approaching extra tarifs on travelling from their third country to the EU,  added costs and timeloss in checks, shortages in supermarkets, lack of funding in certain area's for projects that were supported by the EU, lack of lorry drivers and seasonal workers, ...
Wasn't your earlier prime minister trying to avoid much of this when she wouldn't give up on soft Brexit?  From what it looked like to me over here was that this Brexit thing wasn't going to work very well, because I didn't get a sense that the EU was going to give Great Britain any of that.  It would be like Texas exiting the US, and expecting the rest of the states to provide their roads, highways, and Federally funded programs.


Cassia

A convergence of unfortunate timing perhaps. To this American it seemed that many Brits were especially tired of Muslims and the Islamification of the UK as I have heard it called. Terrorist action and beheadings in the streets of London are strong motivators. I have read there is an association between the growing xenophobia and Brexit, not unlike the anti-immigration/white supremacy sweeping the US lately.

drunkenshoe

#4
After Brexit, walls got written on slurs trageting the Polish minority, traditional neo-nazi slogans. My aunt -who happens to have 'white' skin - had a nasty shock, when one morning her boss got out from the car they were in to scream at a black young couple some racial obscenities, and had to move on with a new gig, which was fortunately not so difficultt for her because as a senior she does volunteer job mostly. She doesn't even have British passport as widely known around her, she has a Swiss. She has just moved there because Geneva is extremely expensive and completely dead dull. Father and mother of a family - Turkish-British - we have known for very long, has lived in GB for over 40 years have voted for the Brexit. They have a peachy life. Oh and yeah they have 'white' skin. Their daughter is the woman I had a row about covid vaccination, who also ironically has a 'darker' skin colour which under the circumstances suggests she is an immigrant, which she is. (She has voted against Brexit.)

Anyway, as far as I understand Cameron offered referandum as a political show. He was already talking about the huge 'welfare burden' the Muslim minorities caused to GB if memory serves right, which by the way was apparently a complete lie. Also, I remember that it was revealed that the British population was the biggest group who lived on welfare all around EU at that time. I don't think anybody thought any referandum would happen there, let alone something like this. But then think about referandums in this context. I often listen people talk about them on how anti-democratic they are because of the 'majority' factor, but in my opinion in European culture if you refuse to get into a referandum, you also declare your own population pretty subpar and by extent the elections that take place there in general, even your own existence, lol.

Anyway, I don't believe anyone thought about any kind of economy at all.
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: SGOS on August 05, 2021, 07:48:25 AM

This part is especially interesting:Wasn't your earlier prime minister trying to avoid much of this when she wouldn't give up on soft Brexit?  From what it looked like to me over here was that this Brexit thing wasn't going to work very well, because I didn't get a sense that the EU was going to give Great Britain any of that.  It would be like Texas exiting the US, and expecting the rest of the states to provide their roads, highways, and Federally funded programs.

Wilmés was rightly worried about the effects it would have on Belgium. My dad works for the port of Antwerp and he is not happy with it. But all in all, we seem to cope. Especially relatively speaking to the people across the channel.
It's not been a mad max style apocalypse here nor there. You won't hear me say that. But it is clear the situation is not better for anyone on either side of the channel. (except for the happy few who could stuff their pockets due to this political farce and cling to power because of it)
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Mr.Obvious

Now, I'm no economics major, but the lack of emphasis on the Brexit part of this problem in this article baffles me.

Also, 2000 army personel to make up for a 100.000 lorry drivers gap... Jeez.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9873763/Army-standby-stock-Britains-shelves-2-000-HGV-drivers-Royal-Logistics-Corps.html
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Shiranu

Thing that all the experts said would be a terrible idea turns out to be terrible idea. Who would guess?

As my parents said, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your own face."
Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

SGOS

^Just to emphasize that this deserves more than just one clik on the "Like" button.

drunkenshoe

Quote"Don't cut off your nose to spite your own face."

Oh that's good. We say, "if you lock horns with your ass, you shit your pants" to that.


"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

drunkenshoe

Did you guys see this?

Empty shelves, gasoline shortages and sky-high energy prices? Britain is facing a ‘difficult winter’

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/24/empty-shelves-and-gasoline-shortages-uk-facing-a-difficult-winter.html

"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Mr.Obvious

Aye, I've been following it for a while.

Check out 'maximilien robespierre' and 'a different bias'. They've been covering it. Bit repetitive, but it is a problem their government refuses to take any meaningful steps to fixing. Mainly because they spent most time denying the rammifications and blaming them on other stuff. So these youtubers keep talking about the same stuff too.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

drunkenshoe

Dec 23 2020. This, right. It's bad and it is going to be worse. And right now exactly like it is saying at 20th min, the workers and poor people will pay for all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PIf5zM840

"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2021, 07:22:41 AM
Dec 23 2020. This, right. It's bad and it is going to be worse. And right now exactly like it is saying at 20th min, the workers and poor people will pay for all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PIf5zM840

Lol  hadn't even seen that one. Found their individual channels few months ago. Their videos are good yo listen to on the headphone whilst doing the dishes.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

drunkenshoe

And I didn't realise it was a channel until you said it. I thought it was one program. :lol:
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari