Started by the_antithesis, May 02, 2015, 01:44:09 PM
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 03, 2015, 12:28:20 PMI don't think breaking up by era or category was what they wanted. This is the museum that has a toy hall of fame which has inducted things as diverse as Game Boy, alphabet blocks, Slinky, Lego and a fucking cardboard box. I am not shitting you.
Quote from: trdsf on May 03, 2015, 08:19:13 PMI don't have a problem with the cardboard box as a toy -- the larger ones after xmas always got saved. You could build a two room (albeit flimsy) fort out of a refrigerator box. We'd take them to the park at the end of the street (this is Way Back When, when kids were actually allowed to go out and not have a parent/guardian one meter away at all times) and go 'sledding' on the hill in the summer. It was a race car, an Apollo capsule, a Sopwith Camel (I always was a big Snoopy fan), a transmogrifier.I mean, seriously, have you never read Calvin & Hobbes?
Quote from: SGOS on May 03, 2015, 10:07:44 PMWhere I grew up, the parents of kids I played with managed a huge apartment complex. They would periodically purchase 5 or 6 refrigerators, or stoves, or whatever. Those kids came up with some creative ways to put 5 refrigerator boxes together to create some complex play houses. Cats and dogs also seem to like cardboard boxes. There is something about them that has universal appeal to many different life forms.
Quote from: trdsf on May 03, 2015, 05:59:56 PMAnd where's The 7th Guest? That's the game that made the CD-ROM a required piece of hardware rather than an option, as well as introducing motion capture to gaming -- very few games can say they've changed hardware requirements like T7G can.
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 03, 2015, 12:28:20 PMFor what it's worth, the criteria they use to select these nominations are:â€¢ Iconic: The game is widely recognized and remembered.â€¢ Longevity: The game is more than a passing fad.â€¢ Geographical reach: The game meets the first two criteria across international boundaries.â€¢ Influence: The game has influenced the design and development of other games, other forms of entertainment or popular culture and society.Of these games, I find FIFA to be the one that sticks out. I guess they wanted more than one sports sim on the list and FIFA is more popular than Madden outside the US because fuck the US and their sissy "foot ball." Still, it seems like an odd choice even after you think about it.I'm not sure about Oregon Trail, which only fits the criteria because of one sentence. "You have died of dysentery." For you kids who don't remember a computer lab full of Apple II's adjacent to the library in middle school, Oregon Trail was a supposedly educational game they let us play in school. There were dozens of them, but this one had legs once kids looked up "dysentery" in the dictionary and realized this was a game where you can shit yourself to death. I find that legacy a bit dubious.I don't know about Sonic the Hedgehog. Sure, it's a well-known character, but so is Ronald McDonald. That's no reason to nominate it as an all-time best.Pokemon... Well, I guess it fits the criteria. There were knock offs and kids everywhere were annoying about it. if I were born about ten years later, I would have been the most annoying it. But I wasn't so I know what Pokemon is.It's Nintendo selling their unused characters.Think about it. They had artists working all day on coming up with new things for Mario to stomp on and not all of them made the cut. So they had file cabinets full of character designs they weren't using until someone got the bright idea for using all of them. This is why Pokemon "evolve." In the design phase, they do multiple revisions of a design, changing little details. That's why not all Pokemon evolve. No revisions. And those that do evolve don't have the same number of steps. Not as many revisions for some and others. It's also why the evolved version is often not obviously bigger and better, just different. And then there's shit like Charmander where unrelated drawings are linked together by some minor detail, like a flame on the tail.http://atheistforums.com/Themes/default/images/bbc/quote.gifYeah right, that first and last one are the same creature.So Pokemon is a brilliant marketing campaign. But is it even a decent game? I don't know. I've never played it. I guess if games that may or may not be decent games so long as they meet the criteria for other reasons, fine.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 03, 2015, 11:24:28 PMMarketing venture? You mean like every product/game ever made?
QuotePokemon was created by Satoshi Tajiri a man inspired by his childhood hobby of collecting bugs.The evolutions have nothing to do with using nintendo's discarded/recycled designs.
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 04, 2015, 01:55:36 PMNot necessarily. Until not that long ago, it used to be that someone would come up with a product and then market the thing they made. Now they come up with a marketing campaign and then see if they can find or quickly invent something to fit. Pokemon is in the later category.Yes they do. That Satoshi-san came up with the basic game concept does not discredit my hypothesis of where they got all those weird creature designs. And I had already explained why that makes the most sense, so I won't bother repeating myself when scroll buttons exist.I will say, I am a bit surprised at the amount of passion involved. My generation has a loathing for Pokemon because we loathe little kids and it was something little kids wouldn't shut up about. I was unaware that those little kids would retain their love for it after they grew up. I mean, look at me. I used to love Transformers, when they call G1 these days. I recently watched some of those episodes are they were so fucking terrible that I wondered how much lead was in the drinking water when I was younger.Of course, not everybody my age hates their childhood the way I do. Someone is buying those G1 DVD sets, because it's not me and I doubt it's you. (They're sooooooo bad.)That said, wasn't the card game bigger for Pokemon? I ask because I don't know. They do still make both the video games and the cards. So what do I know?
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 04, 2015, 03:29:46 PMNo. My generation loathes your generation. I must not have been very clear about that.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 04, 2015, 03:46:19 PMInteresting. Where did that post go?