https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nihBhgYHDVk
OK I watched this video. Here's my thoughts
Ok the premise is a guy hit on this girl. She turned him down. the guy did not get the hint and harassed the girl. The girl threw a drink in his face. He hit the girl she hit back fight breaks out.
First I would like to note that getting a drink thrown in your face is not being assaulted in any sense. I've had drinks thrown in my face and I never reacted violently for it. So yeah guy shouldn't have hit the girl over that. Sorry but that's just how I see it.
Is it wrong for women to hit men? Absolutely.
If a man gets hit by a woman it's ok for him to hit her back?
HELL NO! There are many ways to deal with and defuse the situation and violence is not the correct responds. First of all you should walk away. If you are fallowed grab a by standard And Directly ask for help. If that still doesn't work call the police and press charges.
Men in most cases you are physically stronger than a woman. There's no way she can hit you with the same force that you can hit her.
Now I understand in some cases the woman might actually be stronger but those cases are rare. Even if that was the case it is no excuse to hit back. In which case you would probably lose any how. So still not a good solution.
NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nihBhgYHDVk
NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
I didn't watch all the vid, too annoying. As to your last line,, you are of course welcome to your opinion.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
I don't agree. That doesn't mean I am not going to do everything in my power to not hit a woman. I'm not going to punch some chick in the face for throwing a drink on me. I'm not even going to slap her back after she slaps me first. That's retaliation not self defense, and it is wrong. I am going to walk away if I can. But if you think I need to just curl up in a fetal position while some psycho bitch beats the shit out of me just because she's a she, and I'm a he then no. That's not happening.
If it is Rosy---you know who---I'm running and hiding. I received a black eye from a very physical 5'5" girlfriend and wrestled her into a bed-----sometimes it is great to make up. I would not, and never, did hit a girl accept in boxing and rough sex that can be very exhilarating and fun when limits are drawn. In fact I never have, or would, with a man unless it is to protect myself or someone else, which I have done more than once in the past. In fact, I would kill if my life or another person's life was in danger, and there was no other way to stop it, no matter how furies I got. I came close one time and it scared the crap out of me when I thought I did. In the military I would, without quilt, because I think it would be justified. It is still bull shit to be put in that position involuntarily though. I'm not sure about it if you're thinking you are doing it for country and God though, and found out later it was for big business interests. :fU:
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
First I would like to note that getting a drink thrown in your face is not being assaulted in any sense.
I was surprised to learn that legally throwing a drink at someone can be considered assault. I know this because I talked to someone over the weekend who said he was charged with assault on a female for throwing a drink in her face. I wasn't sure he was telling the truth but according to a lawyer I mentioned this to throwing a drink can be considered assault. Being CONVICTED of assault for throwing a drink is apparently unlikely. Busta Rhymes had a bit of drink throwing drama a couple of weeks ago. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/rapper-busta-rhymes-charged-assault-throwing-drink-gym-160705413.html
I think it's wrong to hit women as a means of subjugating them, in the way that it's wrong to hit men that way too. But I think it's natural to defend yourself when you're being attacked, regardless of the gender of the person attacking you.
I've always been one for breaking up fights in the most peaceful, non-violent way possible. It's a shame the Vulcan nerve pinch isn't actually a thing. But since it's not, in terms of a general fisticuffs, if a woman is going to go at a man like she's a dude, she deserves to get hit like a dude. If he's nice enough (and skilled and strong enough) to subdue her without hitting or punching, then good on him.
I'm not going to watch that video.
However, I agree with the opinion that if somebody is assaulting you physically you hold the right to defend yourself regardless of the gender of the attacker. Using violence to subjugate is something different.
If you mean it is wrong in general to hit someone PHYSICALLY WEAKER than you, yes that's the ideal. Hold his/her hands if you can do it. However, it is not really possible to do at all times, actually most times. Also, if you are attacked, your hands shouldn't pick apples as we say around here.
It's wrong to hit HUMANS in general. Not specifically a gender group.
I just turn the other cheek now, unless I take too many Viagra and my neck gets stiff.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
If a man gets hit by a woman it's ok for him to hit her back?
Well I'm not exactly sure its ok to hit back when a man gets hit by a man so I don't really see how putting a woman in the mix changes anything as far as that goes.
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NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
Wrong. One can always imagine scenarios where there could be exceptions. I happen upon a small pond, no one else around. And I find there is woman at the edge of that pond. As I approach I see that she is attempting to hold a small child underwater in what appears to be an attempt to drown the child. You bet your ass I'm going to try to get her to stop. And you bet your ass if she refused I would hit her with everything I had and/or do anything else I could to try to stop her. Rare and extreme though they may be, there can always be exceptions.
This reminds me of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW4NKtpbRBc
This title is misleading, it should read "Cop slaps woman after she slaps him"
In this, she assaults him first, she slaps him round the face while hurling abuse at him. He slaps back moments later, and she breaks down crying, as if shocked that someone slapped her.
Eye for an eye, man or woman, if someone were to slap me like that first, I would hit back, I don't care. chivalry is an archaic concept, and for women to be on the same level as men, they need to be prepared to take there own medicine if they dish it out.
Quote from: Munch on August 31, 2015, 06:33:42 PM
This reminds me of this video.
I didn't watch the video, but if a civilian slapped a woman after she slapped him he'd probably get charged with assault. It is assault because it isn't self defense it is retaliation. If she assaults you and stops she is no longer a threat, and you shouldn't use force if there isn't an immediate threat.
Actually, getting a drink thrown in your face is assault, and in some states might also be considered battery. Not that it justifies the guy's response, seeing as he was provoking her.
For me as a man hitting a woman is always wrong, there can be mitigating circumstances, but for me it is still wrong.
I know this in practice is not a lot different to the other views expressed, but I feel it important that I express my feelings this way.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
NO EXCUSE to hit a woman anyone no exception unless it's in self defense!
fify
It's never okay to hit a woman. Let's go with that. Followup question, is it ever okay to hit a man?
If the answer to that is anything other than no, you hold a sexist double standard.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 31, 2015, 08:43:32 PM
It's never okay to hit a woman. Let's go with that. Followup question, is it ever okay to hit a man?
If the answer to that is anything other than no, you hold a sexist double standard.
qft
I've meet plenty of women who deserve a good shot to the chops. I'm not big on hitting women as a rule, but go hang out in some of the places I've been and you'd want to hit them too. My brother had some bitch jump on his back trying to gauge his eyes out after her husband hit his car. He had little choice but to knock the crap out of her.
Oh c'mon. every one here has seen a vid of some crazed ass loopy bitch swinging away. That, obviously is not the norm. But people get emotional, we all do. No man I know or have ever met would suggest that it is acceptable to go around punching women. But if a woman wants to take it upon herself to swing at a guy, I have no problem swinging back. In the end it is, of course, about circumstance. If I do or say something stupid, and some gal swings I will back away and keep backing. Hell, I know when I am wrong, we all do. But nobody gets a free pass, nobody.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
OK I watched this video. Here's my thoughts
Ok the premise is a guy hit on this girl. She turned him down. the guy did not get the hint and harassed the girl. The girl threw a drink in his face. He hit the girl she hit back fight breaks out.
First I would like to note that getting a drink thrown in your face is not being assaulted in any sense. I've had drinks thrown in my face and I never reacted violently for it. So yeah guy shouldn't have hit the girl over that. Sorry but that's just how I see it.
Is it wrong for women to hit men? Absolutely.
If a man gets hit by a woman it's ok for him to hit her back?
HELL NO! There are many ways to deal with and defuse the situation and violence is not the correct responds. First of all you should walk away. If you are fallowed grab a by standard And Directly ask for help. If that still doesn't work call the police and press charges.
Men in most cases you are physically stronger than a woman. There's no way she can hit you with the same force that you can hit her.
Now I understand in some cases the woman might actually be stronger but those cases are rare. Even if that was the case it is no excuse to hit back. In which case you would probably lose any how. So still not a good solution.
NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
Sounds like one more really bad, and badly staged video, nothing that really happened and not worth the time watching.
But of course you can be convicted on assault charges when you intentionally throw a drink, hot coffee, or spit in somebody's face, not that filing charges are an appropriate use of police time when it follows a failed pickup attempt, and you've been following / stalking her, thereby putting her into self-defense mode. Hitting anyone under such conditions is stupid, and if you hit a woman because she threw a drink at you after already telling you to leave her alone, then you are an absolute freak who needs to be locked away. But this is the only scenario which you have presented, and it sure as hell doesn't cover all or "NO EXCEPTIONS"! As a matter of fact, there are plenty of women who are more than capable of putting many men on the ground, and many of these are not any bigger or smaller than said men. Not a rarity at all these days when there are numerous women who compete in sports, the martial arts, are capable of carrying out typical Hollywood backflip-by assaults while millions of men exist spending most of their time with their Playstations, their geekpads, their munchies, and their bongs. So if an uber-athletic chick who's dressed all in black, with Chinese throwing stars and nun-chuks comes backflipping into your pad and demands you hand over your expensive game console, you would probably be within your right to hit her, but still it's probably not a good idea because then she'll hit you back, and you probably won't enjoy it...mostly.
Quote from: aitm on August 31, 2015, 09:24:52 PM
Oh c'mon. every one here has seen a vid of some crazed ass loopy bitch swinging away. That, obviously is not the norm. But people get emotional, we all do. No man I know or have ever met would suggest that it is acceptable to go around punching women. But if a woman wants to take it upon herself to swing at a guy, I have no problem swinging back. In the end it is, of course, about circumstance. If I do or say something stupid, and some gal swings I will back away and keep backing. Hell, I know when I am wrong, we all do. But nobody gets a free pass, nobody.
I would go as far to say even if something careless or stupid is said, it still doesn't warrant physical violence... That is of course it's something intimidating to the point of making the person that it's being said feel like they are in danger.
Words don't warrant physical violence. Only a response to danger does.
You can defend your self with out hitting any one. It's called blocking a punch.
Ok I will go back on it if she's using a weapon. If she's trying to kill you and using a weapon then by all means defend your self.
I see too many men though who don't just hit a woman back they beat the living bejesus out of them in return. In a fisticuffs there are ways to defend your self that don't involve hitting a woman let alone beat the living shit out of her.
I agree men shouldn't be hit for any reason and this needs to be taught and emphasized. Not give men a pass on beating women up.
I think it's too easy for a man to throw one punch and then let the rage set in and take over.
That is the main reason for my no tolerance policy.
What you are talking about is not what normal men do, at least not in Western culture. Likewise, I hope that video is just an acted out scene, as most anything outrageous with any production quality usually is.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 09:53:23 PM
You can defend your self with out hitting any one. It's called blocking a punch.
Ok I will go back on it if she's using a weapon. If she's trying to kill you and using a weapon then by all means defend your self.
I see too many men though who don't just hit a woman back they beat the living bejesus out of them in return. In a fisticuffs there are ways to defend your self that don't involve hitting a woman let alone beat the living shit out of her.
I agree men shouldn't be hit for any reason and this needs to be taught and emphasized. Not give men a pass on beating women up.
I think it's too easy for a man to throw one punch and then let the rage set in and take over.
That is the main reason for my no tolerance policy.
I appreciate that you at least agree that in the case of a role reversal, with a woman hitting a man, it's also wrong.
Just to nitpick though... Even if someone is only using their fists, you can only block so long. After a while a beating is a beating. You can still kill someone or at least severely injure someone with just your fists. Even when they are blocking.
Also. It doesn't matter how strong you are to a degree in the case of beating someone up. Knowing how to throw a punch/kick matters a lot more than how much muscle the puncher/kicker has.
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 09:53:23 PM
I think it's too easy for a man to throw one punch and then let the rage set in and take over.
I do not know who you hang around with, but I do not know now, or have ever known any man who would hit a women in a fit of rage, other than of course, the psychopaths.
Nobody I ever grew up with or have known in my life ever hit a woman in a fit of rage… I have, and I know a few men who have reacted at the moment, and justifiably so, but never went further into an "act of rage". I have had two separate instances where I have reacted… it is nothing to be proud of but nothing I am ashamed of either.
I hit people If they are stupid, simple as that.
I've slapped with no serious punishment;
My little brother, Dad, Mom, Two teachers, The principal, My Doctor, My therapist, A friend, My parents' friends, My grandparents' friends, My Parents' Friends' Teens, and countless angry strangers.
They were more like bitch slaps for when people do stupid stuff, and I don't care if people don't like me. The people around me lack common sense anyway.
For instance, my Dad took out the batteries for the remote and tried to use it, and got angry at me for not changing the batteries when I had just woken up and it was my dad who used the TV all night. Fucking idiot.
I would never hit a lady.
Take care you don'the lose that status.
There was a website -which I cannot find, removed?- about how girls are unconsciously or consciously conditioned to think that hitting males are OK from childhood, because physical strength and power is always associated with males. That they almost thend to think that they don't hurt, because they are 'stronger'.
When boys grow up a little they start to be shaped into the bullshit norm of being 'tough' because they are boys, not to cry, not to express any emotions, esp. hurt and this is the result of; a reflection of that abuse. Yes, it is a collective form of abuse.
On the other hand, as females are seen inferior physically by males, girls learn that it is harmless to hit a boy, slap a man, while boys learn to see being hurt by a girl physically as a humiliating thing and they don't even learn to react to it reasonably. They either ignore or suppress it and break at some point.
Girls can cry out loud in public -or even women- express something done to them with emotional response. Free to express depression, feeling weak, vulnerable. Boys and men are NOT allowed to that. It's also the reasons why suicides are always higher in males.
The worst thing a father can say to his son is 'be a man' or 'take it like a man'. And it makes a big difference coming from the gender parent.
If it is this Sweat little thing hit you with her fist, it's a no brainer, you won't hit back. I can see a lot of people have never lived on the streets, or been around really tuff sic. (correct spelling, look it up!) ass women that can kick your ass. I had a 5'5" girlfriend train in boxing by Mike Tyson and a martial art expert that became her boyfriend, that loved to fist fight bare handed and wrestle, that didn't ask for her rights, and just took them. There was a couple of grown men that pissed her off for very good reasons, and they hid when she came looking for them. We had a friendly fight and she gave me a black eye, she said she was sorry, and made up for it in bed, Whooeee! She could talk the walk, and then some. She loved animals more than most people, for very good reasons, starting when she was 10 years old. Feminist could learn a lot from her about being themselves without all the drama and blaming men for everything. :biggrin2: :popcorn:
Quote from: Solitary on September 01, 2015, 09:02:09 AM
If it is this Sweat little thing hit you with her fist, it's a no brainer, you won't hit back. I can see a lot of people have never lived on the streets, or been around really tuff sic. (correct spelling, look it up!) ass women that can kick your ass. I had a 5'5" girlfriend train in boxing by Mike Tyson and a martial art expert that became her boyfriend, that loved to fist fight bare handed and wrestle, that didn't ask for her rights, and just took them. There was a couple of grown men that pissed her off for very good reasons, and they hid when she came looking for them. We had a friendly fight and she gave me a black eye, she said she was sorry, and made up for it in bed, Whooeee! She could talk the walk, and then some. She loved animals more than most people, for very good reasons, starting when she was 10 years old. Feminist could learn a lot from her about being themselves without all the drama and blaming men for everything. :biggrin2: :popcorn:
This! Solitary you are a genius! :biggrin:
We all should learn to beat up men and be 'tough' so they would respect us. Why are we even trying to talk with them like humans?
I have a better idea, why don't we make fire arm training mandatory for all girls/women starting from the age 10? If a man does something wrong to us, we'll shoot him in the leg or somewhere suitable and he'll learn to respect us as the fucking animal he is.
Don't worry if they start to drop dead like flies, it's just the colleteral to get the the men respect women. Well, civilisation has its price after all.
Well done!
I only hit a girl once, over 20 years ago at a party. She tried to smash a bottle in my face, I blocked it and jabbed her in the face and she went down. I'd rather not have had to do that at all, but I have no real regrets. She traded in her rights as soon as she tried to maim me for life. I'm not going to treat her that differently just because she has different genitals to me.
There's not much point trying to establish one overreaching rule when many situations are different.
Quote from: TomFoolery on August 31, 2015, 05:50:06 PM
It's a shame the Vulcan nerve pinch isn't actually a thing.
Try studying Dim Mak. There's some seriously nasty nerve holds in that system.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
The worst thing a father can say to his son is 'be a man' or 'take it like a man'. And it makes a big difference coming from the gender parent.
What? Screw that. Look at this piece of shit in the video below. He ran and let another man save his wife and child. This pussy piece of shit definitely should have been told to "be a man" far more growing up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrITeCsgQiY
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on September 02, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
What? Screw that. Look at this piece of shit in the video below. He ran and let another man save his wife and child. This pussy piece of shit definitely should have been told to "be a man" far more growing up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrITeCsgQiY
I was talking about something completely different. Something most fathers 'say' to their sons. Not somethig they do to put them in direct danger. Something they say about 'being a man' while they are growing up.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on September 02, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
What? Screw that. Look at this piece of shit in the video below. He ran and let another man save his wife and child. This pussy piece of shit definitely should have been told to "be a man" far more growing up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrITeCsgQiY
You can't have your cake and eat it too! Are you a feminist who insists on competing directly with men in this world for everything, or do you expect men to protect you?
Lots of men would tell their girlfriends or wives to take the kids and run, and most of them would do it. Not so frequent that a guy would do this under any circumstances - kinda weird how that works, isn't it?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
When boys grow up a little they start to be shaped into the bullshit norm of being 'tough' because they are boys, not to cry, not to express any emotions, esp. hurt and this is the result of; a reflection of that abuse. On the other hand, as females are seen inferior physically by males, girls learn that it is harmless to hit a boy, slap a man, while boys learn to see being hurt by a girl physically as a humiliating thing and they don't even learn to react to it reasonably. They either ignore or suppress it and break at some point. Girls can cry out loud in public -or even women- express something done to them with emotional response. Free to express depression, feeling weak, vulnerable. Boys and men are NOT allowed to that. It's also the reasons why suicides are always higher in males. The worst thing a father can say to his son is 'be a man' or 'take it like a man'. And it makes a big difference coming from the gender parent.
Most women and girls tend to be princesses, because they want it that way, but then when it comes to rights and social conflict they want to have greater standing than said men and boys(equal rights they say). So when a father tells his son don't be a girl, don't be a whinny selfish little narcissist; to tough up, protect your family and provide for his new family(wife, kids)because life is hard and unfair so deal with it. Back then and still today men are the top providers of the family because women like it or not are attracted to men who can provide, are tough so they can logical not emotionally analyze situations and solve them without hassles and hell most often treat the woman like a queen which they like and perfer to keep it that way, because if their angry the man has to cater for their every will.
So yeah a man is a tough fucker that isn't a child that acts like a princess, he has courage to face the world head on, that protects his kin and woman from danger and doesn't shriek because he got a papercut, he has wisdom not to get in stupid conflicts, hes a quiet listener, he can logicalical solve problems without too much of a hassle, hes strong physically and mentally not like those politicians and douchebags you read or listen about, he knows how to stay cool tempered,hes not a piece of human garbage, hes kind, hes peaceful, and he does the right things, that's what a man is. Other can say including girls who cant understand how to be a WOMAN who is equally srtong minded and cool tempered whom like a Man learns wisdom and loves life, can bring a motherly love thats stronger than a mans with a ferocity and will to protect her kids. So yeah Men are tough to protect and manage family.
I like chivalry I dont hit women, however times are changing but there are still too many dumbass hypocrites that say they want to be equal but when they get slapped they cry and start acting like little selfish girls, which wont change because females are more emotional than men, so men or boys dont hurt women because pressure from other men and they fear the emotional psycho that she can be when mad. But it is tempting to boys because if someone throws anything in your face what would you do? get angry. And if they do it with a look like their superior, angry, or a make fun of kind of smile their bullying you and bullies must be physical hurt in order to back the fuck off.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 02, 2015, 03:28:18 PM
You can't have your cake and eat it too! Are you a feminist who insists on competing directly with men in this world for everything, or do you expect men to protect you?
What the fuck does protecting your family have to do with the value of feminism as an ideology?
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 02, 2015, 04:04:38 PM
Most women and girls tend to be princesses, because they want it that way, but then when it comes to rights and social conflict they want to have greater standing than said men and boys(equal rights they say).
I'm sorry, what?
Seriously, WHAT?
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
Quote from: Mermaid on September 02, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
Yeah, least some give up after a while
or actually look at things critically trying to change.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 02, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
It's not you, it's just the typical love/hate relations that go on between swine of both genders.
QuotePigs! PIGS!!! You're all PIIIIIIIIIIIIGS!!!!!
ALL of you men are such dirty, nasty, unfair pigs! ALL OF YOU!!!
**tears**
...it's SO unfair! You're all bigger than us, and that's YOUR fault!
We get to bear all the babies, and you get to stand up when you pee....dammit, I HATE your for that! It's YOUR FAULT!
The cops aren't fair to us because most of them aren't us, and most of us don't want to be cops - NOT FAIR!!!!
Hey, I heard that joke! That was rude, misogynistic, and hateful! I HATE YOU FOR THAT!!!!!
You're so hateful, you deserve to be castrated!
I don't know just how the "civilized" world learned that human flesh tastes a lot like pork, but haven't you wondered WHY it does?
OIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!!!!!
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 02, 2015, 03:28:18 PM
You can't have your cake and eat it too! Are you a feminist who insists on competing directly with men in this world for everything, or do you expect men to protect you?
Lots of men would tell their girlfriends or wives to take the kids and run, and most of them would do it. Not so frequent that a guy would do this under any circumstances - kinda weird how that works, isn't it?
Men and women are different. I expect men to protect their wives and children. Us men are generally physically superior to women, so it makes sense that protecting family is our job. Women can be police, but I still expect men to protect their wives. Women are better at raising kids generally, so it makes sense that women win most custody battles. I don't always think men and women should be treated the same.
My wife insulted a guy one night in a pub and when i tried to tell her that "thats not what he said" she continued to rip into him. He stood up and she looked am me and I said, "you started it" and I walked to the bar. Once your an "adult" cover your own damn mouth.
im not a misogynist, i love women
Quote from: peacewithoutgodI don't know just how the "civilized" world learned that human flesh tastes a lot like pork
I seem to recall Vsauce doing a video on that. Apparently a (British?) professor discreetly acquired a piece of meat from a human cadaver in the 1800's in order to document the taste. He said it reminded him of young veal more than anything, though.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 02, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
It's not just you.
theres a alot of misandry as well. my thughts are on society im not angry im just logically putting things out and getting hated on
Whenever I logical state based what Id seen from media, history or personal experience on this forum I get insulted and treated as a misogynist, but when this whole shabang started and still going like this thread its misandry all over the fucking place and the girls here as well as some men are like based on these piece of shit human garbage, all men are bad and all women should be treated like a princess(never hit a woman, always treat them as if their sacred) and then Drunkenshoe came in got angry because in turkey there's alot of misogynists, and proceed to flame, and the other girls followed suite and I'm like fuck you(perhaps took it to far) labeled her and these feminists misandrists and now im being overly overexert because I feel I'm being attacked. I apologize for being overexert and a jerk but to have a fuck ton of misandry or misogynist is not cool.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 02, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
Apparently, these sorts of threads tend to attract the crazies. But please don't associate the rest of us with them.
Quote from: Mermaid on September 02, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
Is it just me, or has there been an inordinate amount of misogyny bubbling to the surface in this forum?
There is, and I can't really explain why. It's like baiting, and the second anyone comments to the contrary all of a sudden we have a misandry problem because someone can't champion greater degrees of professional and social equality for women without yanking it out of men's cold, dead hands apparently, as if there was only so much equality to go around. :)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2015, 08:08:24 AM
There was a website -which I cannot find, removed?- about how girls are unconsciously or consciously conditioned to think that hitting males are OK from childhood, because physical strength and power is always associated with males. That they almost thend to think that they don't hurt, because they are 'stronger'.
I posted a video a while back about how domestic abuse - serious physical harm - is taken far less seriously by women if the abuser is female beating on a male victim than if the abuser were male beating on a female victim. The assumptions were that if the male was attacked, she wouldn't be able to seriously harm him (wrong) or that he must've done something to deserve it (conversely, the female getting beating up is absolutely heinous and even suggesting that she somehow deserved it is seen as about as monstrous as the abuse itself). Ironically enough, they considered themselves big proponents of gender equality.
And while on average, men do have a slight physical advantage, men are not immune to slapping, punching, or talon-like nails. It could be even worse if they intentionally weather such abuse because of the mistaken idea that defending themselves is unmanly.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 02, 2015, 10:04:48 PM
theres a alot of misandry as well. my thughts are on society im not angry im just logically putting things out and getting hated on
That's because the gender which is best at silencing the other with accusations of sexism respects the rights of all members of society to speak their minds, so long as they are the right gender. Guess that will always be the nature of the beast!
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 02, 2015, 10:54:51 PM
Apparently, these sorts of threads tend to attract the crazies. But please don't associate the rest of us with them.
Yep - agree with what she says, or it's you who are crazy. Which is probably true, when a man's opinion vs. that of a woman's is never fairly weighted in America. In all truth it really isn't where social conservatives rule, and a woman is never right. Nor is it ever fairly weighted in a liberal orbit, where a man can never be right, and nobody care's about his side of any said horror-story. But when one side stands up and loudly points out the unfairness of the other, and then refuses to respect the rules of fairness the very moment it gains power, that's when you know, undeniably, that the smell of injustice which has been fouling the air has more than one source.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 02, 2015, 08:54:23 PM
im not a misogynist, i love women
Your language suggests otherwise.
Some women just dared you to hit them.
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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/daddy-call-police-mugger-pleads-140855047.html#9TT1ZsU
Quote‘Daddy Call The Police’: Mugger pleads for life after attacking Champion MMA Fighter
In the footage, Wesley Sousa de Araujo can be seen desperately pleading as MMA champion Monique Bastos traps his head in-between her legs, locking his neck in a ‘lion killer choke’ until police finally showed up
This is the moment that a desperate robber was left pleading for his ‘daddy’ after attempting to attack a woman â€" who turned out to be a martial arts champion.
In the footage, Wesley Sousa de Araujo can be seen desperately pleading as MMA champion Monique Bastos traps his head in-between her legs, locking his neck in a ‘lion killer choke’ until police finally showed up.
Ms Bastos had been previously approached by Araujo and another man on a street in Acailandia, Western Brazil â€" and pounced after the men cornered women and demanded their mobile phones.
In the clip, he is heard shouting: ‘Daddy, call the police, daddy. Help Jesus. I swear, it was the first time I’ve everdone this. Help, Lord, somebody help me.
Where’s my mum?‘
Ms Batos later recalled how she had taken Araujo to the ground in a ‘rear-naked choke’ before locking him in a ‘triangle choke’ until police arrived at the scene.
‘One of the guys grabbed the mobile phone I was carrying. I could see that they were not armed so I knocked their motorbike down’, she said.
‘I wasn’t afraid. I knew I could immobilise them.
‘One of them managed to run away, so I got the motorbike drive with a ‘lion killer’ and held him in my legs.
Araujo was later arrested â€" but denied trying to rob Ms Bastos.
Awesome! :super:
Quote from: Youssuf Ramadan on September 03, 2015, 12:52:51 PM
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/daddy-call-police-mugger-pleads-140855047.html#9TT1ZsU
Awesome! :super:
See that I like, little shit tried it on and got his head in a headlock, crying for his daddy? But still I love stories where thugs try it on and someone with judo or martial arts training kicks their ass, its none violent, but very effective means of countering brainless thugs.
alright let me put this out there!
I find it hard to believe that some of you insist or implied that abusive men are rare or non existent. THEY FUCKING EXIST! Lots of them. I've seen it happen in front of me. And while I agree that you shouldn't hit a man I don't think a man gets a free pass when a girl half his size slaps him to just beat the shit out of her! And I've seen this happen with my own eyes!
There are thousands of ways to handle such a situation with out resorting to violence!
No I don't think women should be allowed to beat on men I don't expect you to just stand there like some kind of nitwit. Pin her to the ground put something between the two of you! Any fucking thing! But not hitting! There are some things that shouldn't be promoted and hitting women is one of those things.
If hitting a child is wrong and hitting a woman is wrong
than so is hitting a man! I agree 100%
And if you are a woman being abused by a man don't take that shit leave him. Get as far the fuck away as you can! I had a friend who stayed until she got stabbed 11 times in the chest! From her I finally learned not to tolerate being hit.
So yes I take men hitting women extremely seriously! Unless she has a weapon or serious advantage hitting a woman should not be your go to. Use your fucking brains that you claim are so much more logical and rational to solve the situation. It's not rocket science!
Doorknob, I honestly don't think anyone is arguing that violent and abusive men exist here. If anything there are more violent and abusive men in most reports on domestic violence then anything else releasing to that subject.
But that doesn't mean women can't be violent and abusive to men either, they can be just as much, at home, at work, in schools.
Domestic violence should never be a thing, but it sadly is, and if wives or husbands are abused by there partners or bosses or the like, then one can only hope the victim does something about it back, either showing the abuser they are not victims, or having them arrested for it.
Quote from: doorknob on September 09, 2015, 05:32:44 PMAnd if you are a woman being abused by a man don't take that shit leave him.
That's not always an option, which is why these stories tend to end so tragically. We still live in a society where it's normal for women to be financially dependent upon their husbands, even if both of them hold down jobs.
I've taken enough psychology to know that human behavior generally only shifts when a certain behavior is no longer tolerated. If we can create a system where abuse no longer
needs to be tolerated, that would be a much more workable solution than just telling these bullies, "Staaahhhhhhp! Staaaaahhhhp! I mean it, staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhp!"
Quote from: doorknob on August 31, 2015, 04:52:45 PM
OK I watched this video. Here's my thoughts
I'd say it's fine to hit a woman in any situation in which hitting a man would be acceptable.
This also takes into account the physical size and strength of the attacker, and since on average women are weaker the instances would be much rarer, nevertheless exceptions would occur since women like men are individuals. Just as instances of an underage person being strong enough to hit an adult with damaging force would be very rare, but not completely non-existent.
In the case of retaliating to a water through with a punch to the face, it would be excessive force regardless of the sex of the attacker anyway, and even if both were arrested the hitter would receive the worse of the charges even he/she didn't if initiate it.
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NO EXCUSE to hit a woman no exceptions!
In that case a 3'5'' male dwarf shouldn't defend himself if he was attacked by a 6'4'', 220lb female powerlifter simply because of the genitals of the attacker. Not even factoring in situations where the attacker is armed with a gun or a knife.
This is why extreme literalist ethics, and applying generalizations about groups (ex. "women are weaker") to every individual member of the group just doesn't work, because no matter how rare an exception, one always exists (this is the only rule without an exception, and it in itself is an exception, proving the point).
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 02, 2015, 05:16:08 PM
What the fuck does protecting your family have to do with the value of feminism as an ideology?
Not sure about that dude, but "never hit a woman" is actually a old school chivalry view based on the generalization that "all women are weaker than men", and while true on average isn't without exception - since a female powerlifter for example is stronger than the average male desk jockey.
The feminist view wouldn't be concerned with the gender of the attacker, just the size and strength of the two parties involved - so while on average the woman may be unable to hit the man with any significant force, it wouldn't be without exception. If someone is suggesting that both axioms apply simultaneously however (ex. that men and women should be judged by merit rather than gender... but you should still never hit a woman regardless of her size, strength, or armament) then that is an example of wanting to have the cake and eat it too.
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on September 03, 2015, 02:08:39 AM
That's because the gender which is best at silencing the other with accusations of sexism respects the rights of all members of society to speak their minds, so long as they are the right gender. Guess that will always be the nature of the beast!
Fact is there are extremists on every side of any isle. Whether extreme feminists or extreme anti-feminists. I've seen the worst of both and it ain't pretty.
Arguing over which side has "the most or worst" extremists is a pretty pointless endeavor if you ask me - it's basically like a debate over "who's nicer? Hitler or Stalin? The argument that "Side A has it worse than Side B so what Side A does doesn't matter" is stupid as well, since it's applying generalizations about a group to every
individual member of a group - meaning it's the same logic as assuming that anyone who's black is a criminal just because "statistics show blacks commit a higher portion of crimes" - it's still a moot point individual cases since a black banker is less of a criminal than a white skinhead, and vice versa.
And if either side can't call out the crazies in its own camp - whether Valerie Solanas or Marc Lepine types, then that's just an example of the extreme partisanship and jingoism that modern political debates have degenerated into, to the point that many of them are barely distinguishable from an angry Reddit thread.
I'm a firm believer in equal rights. Check your privilege, dear female humans.