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Title: Belgium: 4 Months in Prison for Tearing a Koran
Post by: pr126 on March 19, 2013, 01:26:47 AM
Belgium: 4 Months in Prison for Tearing a Koran (//http://europenews.dk/en/node/65288)
QuoteIs Sharia already in force in Europe? Arne S., originally from Blankenberge, was sentenced on Wednesday, by the criminal court of Bruges, to four months in prison for having torn a copy of the Koran in front of a group of Muslims, in June 2012, in Ostende.

On 8 June last year, in the early evening, the accused participated in a demonstration in Ostende. After the demonstration, he went into a café where he exchanged words with around a dozen Muslims. In front of their eyes, Arne S. tore a copy of the Koran.

According to the statements of the accused, the Muslims threw the sacred [sic] book at his head, which provoked his action. Olivier Ryde, the accused's lawyer, requested this his client be acquitted. According to him, there was no question of any infringement of the law on racism.

Source: RTL.be

So a Muslim mob assaults this guy by throwing a Koran at his head, and he is the one that gets sent to prison? Crazy. The news report says absolutely nothing about the Muslims being punished for the assault.
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Post by: SvZurich on March 19, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
PR, thank you for exposing this.  :(
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Post by: Thumpalumpacus on March 19, 2013, 01:39:22 AM
PC run amok.
Title: Re: Belgium: 4 Months in Prison for Tearing a Koran
Post by: StupidWiz on March 19, 2013, 01:50:16 AM
So, the Muslims are allowed to throw their so called holy book at people, but a non muslim isn't allowed to tear it apart? Double standard much?
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Post by: Plu on March 19, 2013, 03:09:54 AM
Yeah, this is fucking bullshit. You'd expect better of the first world.
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Post by: NitzWalsh on March 19, 2013, 03:43:53 AM
When I hear stories like this it tempts me to burn my quran on video and post it online. Or at the very least draw little pictures of Muhammad having sex with sheep and penises everywhere in it.
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Post by: DunkleSeele on March 19, 2013, 04:36:51 AM
Whether those Muslims threw the book at him ought to be totally irrelevant.

People have the fucking right to tear any fucking book they wish, period. Political correctness is almost as much a poison as religion.
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Post by: Plu on March 19, 2013, 04:57:48 AM
QuotePeople have the fucking right to tear any fucking book they wish, period.

As long as it's theirs, of course.
But yeah, 4 months for what is essentially vandalism, especially if the other side should be charged with assault at the least, is absolute bull.
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Post by: DunkleSeele on March 19, 2013, 05:50:01 AM
Quote from: "Plu"
QuotePeople have the fucking right to tear any fucking book they wish, period.

As long as it's theirs, of course.
But yeah, 4 months for what is essentially vandalism, especially if the other side should be charged with assault at the least, is absolute bull.
Yes, of course. If someone takes a books from a public library and burns/tears it, then charges for destruction of public property are justified. Blasphemy charges aren't, though.

In this specific case the guy should have been, at worst, condemned to repay the cost of the book, that's it.
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Post by: Jmpty on March 19, 2013, 09:40:41 AM
Bruges, Belgium criminal court convicted a man for shredding a Koran on March 6, 2013. The court imposed a four-month prison sentence and a 600 euro fine upon him. He now additionally faces a revocation of a previous suspension of an 18-month prison sentence for having set a fire in a wood. This case highlights yet again the greater restrictions on speech in free societies outside of the United States and how these restrictions can limit open debate about Islam.

The man, identified in print only as Arne S., attended a demonstration on June 8, 2012, in Ostend, Belgium, before retiring to a café. There Arne exchanged words with a dozen Muslims and tore apart a Koran before them. As described in a Belgian press account, Arne's counsel at trial claimed that the Muslims had thrown the "sacred book" at Arne, striking him in the head. Arne's lawyer, Olivier Ryde, thus claimed that no infraction of Belgium's law on hate speech had occurred. No reports of assault charges against the Muslims have appeared.

Arne's case demonstrates that Belgium, like many other European countries, has laws against what is commonly called "hate speech." In particular, Article 22 of the Belgian Law of May 10, 2007, Aiming to Struggle Against Certain Forms of Discrimination, prohibits incitement of hatred, discrimination, violence, and/or segregation against persons of various protected classes in public settings defined by Article 444 of the Belgian Penal Code. Article 3 of the May 10, 2007, laws defines these protected classes

based upon age, sexual orientation, civil state, birth, fortune, religious or philosophical conviction, political conviction, trade union views, language, actual or future state of health, handicap, physical or genetic characteristic, or social origin.

Cheradenine Zakalwe of the website Islam versus Europe has asked in relation to Arne, "Is Sharia already in force in Europe?" Yet Arne is not the first individual in Europe convicted of destroying a "sacred book," nor is the Koran the only book in Europe that qualifies for this designation. Poland's supreme court ruled on October 29, 2012 that a lower court was wrong to exonerate the Polish heavy metal musician Adam Darski on blasphemy charges for having ripped apart a Bible as a "book of lies" during a September 2007 concert.

In Darski's case, though, the European Union's (EU) executive body, the European Commission (EC), came to Darski's defense. An EC statement on October 31, 2012 expressed the traditional justification for free speech that "[t]his right protects not only information or ideas that are favorably received or regarded as inoffensive or as a matter of indifference, but also those that offend, shock or disturb." It remains to be seen whether the EC will make the same defense à la Voltaire for Arne's anti-Islam sentiments.

Controversies about blasphemy aside, Belgium's equation of "religious" and other "convictions" with physical characteristics such as a person's place of "birth" is troubling. Such a conception of "hate speech" encompasses not just the debatable proposition of proscribing animus expressed against individuals, but also the prohibition of at least certain forms of opposition to ideas like Islam. In effect, an individual's identification with an idea like Islam helps shield this belief from attack in a kind of ideological umbrella.

The cases of Arne, Darski, and others continue to show that criticism and/or condemnation of Islam can be legally perilous in European societies traditionally restrictive of free speech out of deference to group sensibilities and social harmony. Now that Muslim communities have established themselves in an often politically correct modern Europe, rejection of Islam is no longer a merely academic matter involving distant peoples. Precisely the proximity of Islam to Europe, however, demands unfettered critical evaluation of this faith now more than ever. Modern expansive notions of "hate speech" and traditional concepts of blasphemy, now applied not just to Europe's historically dominant Christian faith but also to an increasingly prominent Islam, can only hinder this necessary inquiry into Islam.

By Andrew Harrod
Frontpage Magazine

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Post by: Atheon on March 19, 2013, 02:22:53 PM
What about wiping your ass with its pages?
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Post by: Fluffhead on March 19, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
Now i wonder why fascist groups are getting into power.

Poor guy i hope he will be exempted
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Post by: Brian37 on March 19, 2013, 04:22:51 PM
Wow, how can Europe get so much right, but then pull this shit. If the guy was steeling a copy from someone else, then the crime is petty theft and destruction of property. But if it is his own copy and he is not physically harming others FUCK THOSE MUSLIMS.

Should atheists be allowed to Jail Muslims who tear up a copy of "The God Delusion"?

GROW UP MUSLIMS, seriously, your god cant be that powerful if he cant defend himself without your help. AND it shows how petty he is if the most important thing is not picking on him in a world full of hunger disease and famine.
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Post by: Colanth on March 20, 2013, 12:19:32 AM
If a group of Christians threw a Bible at the head of a Muslim and he tore it, would he have been imprisoned too.  (Either way, Belgian law seems to be nuts.)
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Post by: SilentFutility on March 21, 2013, 01:29:34 PM
Quote from: "Colanth"If a group of Christians threw a Bible at the head of a Muslim and he tore it, would he have been imprisoned too.  (Either way, Belgian law seems to be nuts.)
Nope, there'd be charges of racially motivated assault brought against the Christians in this case.

European countries need to stop bending over and pulling their trousers down for religious extremists.
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Post by: Colanth on March 21, 2013, 08:35:17 PM
The whole world needs to stop letting spoiled brats rule the house.