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Started by Hoxha Cat, January 02, 2022, 08:54:06 PM

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Hoxha Cat

I am a Marxist, Anti-Theist/"Militant" Atheist. I believe in using Socialism as a temporary transitionary stage to eventually achieve Communism, a stateless, classless, moneyless society with common ownership of the means of production and production for need instead of profit. I believe that religion is the opiate of the masses and a tool used by the ruling classes to force people to behave a certain way and believe that their current suffering will eventually pay off, religion punishes natural desires and emotions such as pride, envy and lust, all natural emotions.

PopeyesPappy

#1
We, humanity, aren't ready for communism. We may never be.

Pride is the worse of what is wrong with a lot of people.

Oh, and welcome.
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Mr.Obvious

Welcome to our little band of heathens.

I´m not a marxist myself, though I consider myself to be a socialist.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

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SGOS

#3
Socialism for me.  Communism can be corrupted and usually is, just like democracy and capitalism.  But any ism needs to be handled intelligently. 

Hoxha Cat

Quote from: SGOS on January 03, 2022, 08:49:51 AM
Socialism for me.  Communism can be corrupted and usually is, just like democracy and capitalism.  But any ism needs to be handled intelligently.

How could Communism be corrupted? Communism involves a stateless, classless and moneyless society. The nations which you might call "Communist" were only Socialist, in the Soviet Union's case, State-Socialist and Marxist-Leninist, Marxism-Leninism commonly being incorrectly and often oxymoronically referred to as "communism" despite being Socialism, State-Socialism. So what you mean perhaps is that Socialism has often been corrupted, which most of the time is just nonsense from ignorant journalists and other such individuals who spread right-wing lies and biased information about Socialist nations often containing highly inaccurate information with no proof at all, they attempt to rewrite history and portray nations such as the Soviet Union negatively despite the facts that contradict.

the_antithesis

I just want people to leave me the fuck alone. Where does that put me?

Dark Lightning

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Mike Cl

Quote from: ProletarianBanner on January 03, 2022, 11:11:22 AM
How could Communism be corrupted? Communism involves a stateless, classless and moneyless society. The nations which you might call "Communist" were only Socialist, in the Soviet Union's case, State-Socialist and Marxist-Leninist, Marxism-Leninism commonly being incorrectly and often oxymoronically referred to as "communism" despite being Socialism, State-Socialism. So what you mean perhaps is that Socialism has often been corrupted, which most of the time is just nonsense from ignorant journalists and other such individuals who spread right-wing lies and biased information about Socialist nations often containing highly inaccurate information with no proof at all, they attempt to rewrite history and portray nations such as the Soviet Union negatively despite the facts that contradict.
I put communism in the same basket as I do other utopia type of govt.  Capitalism, democracy, republics, and such, do not exist anywhere or anywhen in a 'pure' form.  The best govt. are made up of a blend of many 'isms'. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

PopeyesPappy

Stateless, classless and moneyless societies are a pipe dream. What do you do with the people that won't contribute? Not those that can't. Those who can but will not. Do they get to suck the stateless tit for free, or do their classless neighbors take them out back and shoot them in head? If the former, what happens when enough people opt for the free ride that those willing to work can't produce enough to provide for everyone?

Who decides what gets produced? Who decides how it is distributed?

Who decides who does what? We can't all be doctors or engineers and nobody actually wants to clean the toilets.
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Gawdzilla Sama

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drunkenshoe

"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

drunkenshoe

I have a better question. What do we do when the majority of the youth really does not care about criminality to have what they want? Distribution of wealth wasn't something we often talked about at that age. World didn't seem this hopeless and fucked up without the social media. Can you imagine being 19-20 years old today?

Somebody said something like: "There can't be that many successful criminals because there are no way near that clever people in the world. I don't know if laugh or cry to this. :lol:
"I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are good people and bad people. You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides." Havelock Vetinari

Cassia

Capitalism has greed and greed-motivated innovation working for it. That's why communism ends up being a capitalism of extremes but for upper class "comrades" only. Thus, the Soviets and Chinese resorted to reverse engineering and spying to get their technology.

Hoxha Cat

Quote from: Cassia on January 04, 2022, 02:25:07 PM
Capitalism has greed and greed-motivated innovation working for it. That's why communism ends up being a capitalism of extremes but for upper class "comrades" only. Thus, the Soviets and Chinese resorted to reverse engineering and spying to get their technology.

Communism hasn't ended up becoming anything for anyone because Communism has not been reached by a nation as it involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society with common ownership of the means of production. Those nations were only Socialist, more specifically Marxist-Leninist, State-Socialist.

Hoxha Cat

#14
Quote from: Cassia on January 04, 2022, 02:25:07 PM
Capitalism has greed and greed-motivated innovation working for it. That's why communism ends up being a capitalism of extremes but for upper class "comrades" only. Thus, the Soviets and Chinese resorted to reverse engineering and spying to get their technology.

Socialism has done many good things for the poor. Socialism has improved standards of living, quality of life, literacy, education, healthcare, rights for minorities, etc. Socialism has provided universal healthcare, free housing and improved caloric intake as well as lifespan.