Started by luke, June 09, 2021, 05:09:13 PM
Quote from: luke on June 09, 2021, 05:09:13 PMHello guys this is my first time in this forum and I just had a question. So I was debating my friend about the existence of god and he preassumed the bible and jesus are true and I asked him how is he certain. And he told me that with my logic we cant be sure if newton or sokrates (and others) exist and were real.So what should I say to him so I can reason with him?
Quote from: aitm on June 10, 2021, 10:22:22 AMGod says he separates the light from the darkness... is before he creates earth within the surrounding water. Then he creates the sun within the firmament....inside the great water surrounding us. So once we fired off our first rocket we should have passed the clouds, stars, sun and moon within a few miles then, whammo! Smack dap into the water that surround us.
Quote from: aitm on June 10, 2021, 10:22:22 AMHere is a simple experiment. Read the first chapter of Genesis. Now, donâ€™t just read it..LISTEN to it. Most people read it quickly because it is kind of a mumbo jumbo. But what it says...and really says, is the Heavens are the earth and the â€œfirmamentâ€ immediately around the earth. Outside of that is water....everywhere. The stars, sun, moon are all within this â€œfirmamentâ€. In other words, the heavens stops at the blue we see above our earth, then it is water. Because how else could water fall from the sky if it wasnâ€™t water. Later this is reinforced when the babble suggests that a third of the stars fell to the earth...how is that possible?Because the stars are just little twinkly things that a good archer and a strong bow could probably hit. Why else does the babble says the sky can be rolled up like a scroll? How else could a flying dragon gather a third of the stars and fling them to earth?God says he separates the light from the darkness... is before he creates earth within the surrounding water. Then he creates the sun within the firmament....inside the great water surrounding us. So once we fired off our first rocket we should have passed the clouds, stars, sun and moon within a few miles then, whammo! Smack dap into the water that surround us.But there is lots more whack a doo, if you actually read the babble. Where else can you find such nonsense?Only in the bat shit crazy world of the babble.
Quote from: trdsf on June 09, 2021, 09:42:54 PMI can't speak to Socrates, but there are multiple contemporaneous sources attesting to a historical Isaac Newton, in addition to his own books and letters, the reflecting telescope he himself made -- to say nothing of the official records of his employment at Cambridge, the Royal Mint, the Royal Society, and the House of Commons. Unless your friend wishes to assert those institutions made up respectively a fictitious student and professor, Master of the Mint, President, and MP, in a way not only consistent with each other, but with decades of other records.There is nothing contemporaneous about Jesus, nothing he wrote, nothing he made, and the accounts in the gospels are contradictory regarding where and when he was born, the details of his ministry, and the events surrounding his death -- and none of which were written during his reported lifetime, nor supported by external accounts. There are no indisputable independent accounts attesting to the existence of Jesus; everything hangs on the gospels and they are inconsistent and contradictory among each other.Advantage Newton
Quote from: luke on June 10, 2021, 02:29:03 PMYeah what about socrates? Because im almost certain he will ask me how do I know that socrates and his philoshophy existed? Or eratosthenes. Because they lived way longer ago than jesus his arguement is stronger
Quote from: luke on June 10, 2021, 02:17:20 PMHi. The thing is my friends says that the old testament with genesis is false and is the word of moses not god. He thinks that the new testament is correct and is bases on true facts.