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A case of Police Brutality?

Started by Alaric I, February 18, 2013, 03:23:45 PM

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stromboli

Death ruled a homicide
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/1 ... ostpopular

QuoteDr. George Kirkham, a criminologist and former law enforcement officer, told the Frederick News Post that Saylor's death may have been caused by positional asphyxia.

From the Post:

Positional asphyxia is typically the result of an intense struggle and often involves a person who is handcuffed and lying on their stomach after the struggle. Kirkham said people often panic and can't catch their breath. People with larger stomachs are particularly vulnerable, he said, because their bellies will push into their sternums, making breathing even more difficult.
Baltimore County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Jennifer Bailey said the case is still under investigation and that the three officers involved in Saylor's death -- Lt. Scott Jewell, Sgt. Rich Rochford and Deputy First Class James Harris -- "continue to work their normal assignments," according to the Post.

Frederick County State's Attorney Charlie Smith said his office is reviewing the incident and has not decided whether to bring charges.

WJLA previously spoke with Saylor's mom after the incident.

"He just loved unconditionally everybody," Patti Saylor said. "He has never had anyone put their hands on him in his life. He would not have been doing anything threatening to anybody."

Police officers nationwide often lack appropriate training for dealing with suspects who have special needs, according to a study by Crisis Intervention Team International.

Let us hope the outrage is sufficient to not allow this to be swept under the rug.

Johan

Quote from: "Alaric I"
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"I don't think police officers should be allowed to work side jobs as security officers.

Hmmm, I do why you'd think this but with the money they make they do need second jobs.  Security is well suited for their skills, it's the fact that they feel they can use their authority at all times that gets me.
Agreed. This may already be the case (I don't know) but I think police officers who choose to work side jobs in the security field ought to be bound by the exact same laws as anyone else who works a security job.

And my understanding is that in general, building security cannot lay a finger on you legally. They can ask you to leave, they can use very strong language to do so. But if you absolutely refuse, they need to call on-duty sworn officers to handle the situation. I believe that in most locations, if a security guard touches you, its an assault charge for the guard. If sworn officers want to work security in on their day off, they should be treated exactly the same as anyone else. If they touch you, its an assault charge handled by the courts, not internal affairs. And if anything, they should be treated more harshly by judges for such an incident because they, of all people, should know better.
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stromboli

There is no question that what they did was far over the line. But because they were cops, on duty or not, their fellow officers and their organization will try to protect them. This is how degenerate our system has become.

Alaric I

Quote from: "Johan"And my understanding is that in general, building security cannot lay a finger on you legally. They can ask you to leave, they can use very strong language to do so. But if you absolutely refuse, they need to call on-duty sworn officers to handle the situation. I believe that in most locations, if a security guard touches you, its an assault charge for the guard. If sworn officers want to work security in on their day off, they should be treated exactly the same as anyone else. If they touch you, its an assault charge handled by the courts, not internal affairs. And if anything, they should be treated more harshly by judges for such an incident because they, of all people, should know better.


Depends on the state. In CA if you get certified, you can leagaly arrest someone and hold them until police arrive to take them to county jail.

Thumpalumpacus

Quote from: "stromboli"But because they were cops, on duty or not, their fellow officers and their organization will try to protect them.

This summarizes the reasoning behind my point very well.  Thanks.
<insert witty aphorism here>

stromboli

This is a guy taking up a seat in a theater. This isn't exactly posing a threat to the community. I can't in any way justify their actions in any context. If the Special Needs community doesn't go nuts on this, there is no justice.

Bobby_Ouroborus

He was handcuffed when they strangled him.

Alaric I

Quote from: "Bobby_Ouroborus"He was handcuffed when they strangled him.

Just three POS's that got made fun of in High School.

AllPurposeAtheist

I blame all the 'hero worship' bullshit, shows like COPS, NCIS, etc, and police militarism. Every city police force in this nation is now armed to the teeth and a large portion of our population is now convinced that if you're in ANY sort of trouble with these cocksuckers YOU MUST deserve it no matter if you've done anything wrong or not. The same attitude persists if you.ve been tossed in the can for any reason. GUILT by mere fact of being suspected.. yeah..put another 100,000 cops on the beat and being an atheist will become a crime..a terrorist act..
All hail my new signature!

Admit it. You're secretly green with envy.

Bobby_Ouroborus



A picture of the man they murdered.

Rejak

//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/robert-saylors-death-homicide-mentally-ill_n_2711629.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

apparently somebody has ruled his death a homicide. the article doesn't say who. The sheriff says the deputies are still working  and the states attorney has not decided whether or not to bring charges.

figger the odds I guess

Shiranu

At APA: I agree most part, but I don't see the regular NCIS as cop glorification...
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