Started by Brian37, February 19, 2013, 07:14:47 AM
QuoteWhy do you think I don't fly airplanes for a living anymore? The pay sucked and the working conditions sucked.
Quote from: "Johan"Jobs are worth what they're worth. Supply and demand and greed are ultimately what sets prices on the retail side. Sell for the highest price the market will allow. Supply and demand and greed are also what set the price on the wage side. Pay your labor the lowest price possible to maintain productivity and an acceptable employee turnover rate.
QuoteThis is how it has always been. And yes, paying more in wages then the lowest rate the job pool will allow is the same as giving a handout. If you feel you're being paid a wage that exploits you, then you have two fixes. One is near term, the other is long term. The near term fix is to move. Get out of the business (whatever business that is) and find another. Why do you think I don't fly airplanes for a living anymore? The pay sucked and the working conditions sucked. So I moved on and found something else.
QuoteAnd the long term fix? The only part of the job pool supply and demand equation we have any control over is supply. Keep it in your pants and encourage everyone you know to do the same and eventually, demand will outgrow supply in more industries and wages will therefore go up.
QuoteBut you're not going to change what motivates decisions of large corporations.
QuoteIf you're more rational and proactive than the potheads and hippies you might even be able to persuade our government to change some laws which govern what large corporations do.
QuoteI doubt anyone would be able to pull this off, but its at least possible in theory. But even if you did get the laws changed so as to require corporations to pay more and/or 'be interested in improving education and reducing crime' as Brian seems to thing they should in the OP, you still wouldn't be able to make them want to do those things. They would do it because the law says so. But you're not going to change their culture. And since we now live in a world market, I would suspect the net effect of such laws would simply be for more and more of those corporations to board up the windows and move their operations to other countries where the laws are more to their liking. Choose your actions carefully would be takeaway from that I suppose.
QuoteWhich brings me back to what I said earlier. The rules of the game do indeed change a bit over time. But the rules were never fair and they never will be and with extremely rare exceptions, neither you nor I will ever change them. Learn accept the cards you've been dealt in life and find way to work those cards so as to make yourself sufficiently happy.
Quote from: "Plu"QuoteWhy do you think I don't fly airplanes for a living anymore? The pay sucked and the working conditions sucked.This surprised me. Dutch airline pilots earn huge amounts of money because they have a very demanding job.
QuoteAlso, this is how it is, but it's fairly new (megacorps haven't been around that long) and it's going away soon. Technology will obsolete many more jobs the coming few decades. It has to change, or we'll end up with 50% of the population being unemployed, which will inevitably generate a huge mess.
QuoteIt's interesting to see where it goes, but I don't buy "it'll never change". I obsolete far too many people in my line of work to believe that.
Quote from: "Mathias"The so-called "first world" needs a peaceful revolution (new paradigm) against this irresponsible and predatory capitalism whose advent, in my opinion, came from the 80's. Communism is too utopian and unnatural and the "invisible hand" fills the pockets of a small and irresponsible portion that don't give a damn about the poors. Not to mention the corruption that is spreading like a weed (the bad one :))all over the world, without exception.
Quote from: "Nonsensei"So food service and maintenance will be the only professions left. Thats not enough to either sustain or justify any sort of economic model or form of currency.
Quote from: "Rejak"I'd say mathias has it about right Capitalism if not properly regulated will become corporatism in time. Corporate money corrupts the regulators then the whole system collapses. This has already happened. What we need is a new deal!
Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"Quote from: "Rejak"I'd say mathias has it about right Capitalism if not properly regulated will become corporatism in time. Corporate money corrupts the regulators then the whole system collapses. This has already happened. What we need is a new deal!Regulation is exactly what turns capitalism into corporatism, such as what happened during the New Deal.