This time in California, 7 dead. Just keep on putting more guns in the hands of maniacs.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80300113/ (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80300113/)
Just a maniac Shoe. We have a few over here and they all but give guns to them.
Don't you all understand? It's all the fault of those dead people for not being armed themselves and shoot down the aggressor. We need more arms. MORE ARMS, I TELL YOU!
Seriously though... when will the US government understand that the situation is getting out of hand? How many more casualties do they need?
Seen this on the news , senseless loss of life, but how do u stop this sort of thing happening, as u can never tell when some nutter will take his gun/s an decide he's gonna kill ppl today............
Quote from: 10 Green Bottles..... on May 24, 2014, 06:37:08 PM
Seen this on the news , senseless loss of life, but how do u stop this sort of thing happening, as u can never tell when some nutter will take his gun/s an decide he's gonna kill ppl today............
You can start by not letting every nutter having access to 900 different types of pistols, shotguns and rifles that he can drive to his local walmart and buy with little to no paperwork, for one..
I can't bring myself to watch the YouTube video the guy made about how he was going to kill women because he can't get a date. It is so terrifying that I have no words for it. I hope I don't have nightmares.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 25, 2014, 02:39:26 AM
It shouldn't be so hard to track him down. Probably they are already looking for him. These things are very rare, don't feel so scared.
He's dead.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on May 24, 2014, 09:31:05 AM
This time in California, 7 dead. Just keep on putting more guns in the hands of maniacs.
3 of them were killed with a knife, he shot 3 dead and killed himself with a gunshot.
Why does the knife get no mention in this from the gun grabbers?
His parents warned authorities, why is there no mention of the failure of his parents warning?
After reading his manifesto he was upset at being a virgin and being rejected by women, are there no hookers in California?
The gun laws are pretty strict in California, do you think any more restrictions will make any difference to these mentally ill people?
Quote3 of them were killed with a knife, he shot 3 dead and killed himself with a gunshot.
Why does the knife get no mention in this from the gun grabbers?
That is something I would like to know as well, though the sites I read it on were from "non-gun-grabbers" (I don't know any gun grabbers off hand, just regulators...). Seems like a decent bit of info to know
QuoteHis parents warned authorities, why is there no mention of the failure of his parents warning?
I have seen that the cops had investigated him before and did nothing, so that has been mentioned (if not in this article, in the two that I read. This one I haven't seen yet).
QuoteAfter reading his manifesto he was upset at being a virgin and being rejected by women, are there no hookers in California?
That probably wouldn't have changed anything, I have the feeling he was probably a bit loose in the mind without that.
QuoteThe gun laws are pretty strict in California, do you think any more restrictions will make any difference to these mentally ill people?
Some, perhaps a decent bit, but the real problem is that even if it's illegal in California you could hop the borders to the north, east or south and bring in what ever guns you desired.
Moore said recently in a Facebook post.
"Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) 'interests.' The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol."
What does it mean when one of the country’s loudest anti-gun advocates throws up his hands and unofficially declares his mission a failure?
To bad he didn't live and use the stand your ground defense and claim he was afraid he'd die of virginity.
I don't understand why his family didn't help him get the professional treatment he so obviously needed?
Quote from: Jason78 on May 28, 2014, 04:32:49 AM
I don't understand why his family didn't help him get the professional treatment he so obviously needed?
His own parents reported his very disturbing YouTube videos and he was investigated, and deemed a "nice" man by the authorities.
That's IT! I'm never going to mass.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on May 28, 2014, 08:12:27 AM
That's IT! I'm never going to mass.
Yeah, I was going to say- every time someone says mass shooting I'm thinking of a bunch of dead Catholics.
Quote from: Mermaid on May 28, 2014, 08:03:24 AM
His own parents reported his very disturbing YouTube videos and he was investigated, and deemed a "nice" man by the authorities.
Rich kid, broken family, raised by nannies. To big to fail.
The most disturbing thing to me is that parts of the media have managed to lay blame on the victims. Attacking feminism and the right of women to choose their sexual partners versus making themselves available and being virginal princesses. This whole thing shows how misogynistic our society still is.
I blame the knives. Them God dammed fucking knives!
Quote from: KUSA on May 29, 2014, 11:43:58 AM
I blame the knives. Them God dammed fucking knives!
Sshhhh....... Nobody gets my Cold Steel Trailmaster!
I have one of those too. Mine's not evil though. I only use it for cuttin twigs and shit.
Quote from: stromboli on May 29, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
Sshhhh....... Nobody gets my Cold Steel Trailmaster!
I always wanted a Trailmaster, but never got around to it. I do however have a Recon Scout, ATC, Mater hunter and a SRK.
Funny story. (For me anyway) A couple of weeks ago I gathered up all Mom's kitchen knives and carried them down to one of the local knife shops to have them sharpened. I parked right in front of a big banner hanging in front of the store advertising a Benchmade sale. The banner had a couple of knife silhouettes on it. When I got inside I asked the owner if it was bad that I recognized one of the silhouettes on the Benchmade sign as a Cold Steel Recon Scout? He laughed and said no, but he had been using the same banner a couple of times a year for several years and no one else had ever commented on the mistake.
Pictured below are a Recon Scout, Trailmaster, Kukri and an All Terrian Chopper (ATC). The ATC has been out of production for years, rare and a good one is worth more now than it was new.
(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p437/Tonytonyaaa/46e00c62.jpg)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on May 25, 2014, 02:31:56 AM
I think the first problem is the solid perception of Americans that everyone shooting around is just nuts, because you know, a fire arm is just like a tool like a knife or a car or a hammer...etc. The idea that it's only humans, but not the 'tool'. LOL.
You are correct! And all those tools can kill also, however it is hard to kill with a knife or hammer with a drive by. With your kind of logic if everyone had a bazooka, atom bomb, flame thrower we would be safer. Guns make it very easy to kill, accidently or on purpose. It's not that we shouldn't have guns, but are we safer with every Tom Dick and dirty Harry having one? People kill, that's why they shouldn't have guns that make it unsafe for everyone, with or without a gun. I have a gun, but the odds of me actually needing it to protect myself are slim where I live, but of course if I did need it I would be glad I had it and was able to get to it in time. The town I came from, Joliet Illinois south of Chicago, I would have a conceal permit because of all the shootings and dangerous places there. It's true that Chicago has the toughest gun laws and most shootings, but the criminals buy their guns outside of Chicago. What is wrong with regulating sales everywhere? Even if one life is saved by it I think it is worth it. Solitary
My cousin attends UCSB (University of California - Santa Barbara) and is a freshmen. Definitely a terrible time. I'm attending UCI and we've been holding processions to shoulder some of the burden.
Quote from: Solitary on May 29, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
With your kind of logic if everyone had a bazooka, atom bomb, flame thrower we would be safer.
argumentum ad absurdum
Ok, fuck everyone! You'll have to pry this out of my cold dead hands because if you ban these only outlaw coffee drinkers will have em! :snooty:
(http://i1160.photobucket.com/albums/q490/atheola/20140529_171241.jpg)
Look, this primarily is about common sense, a phrase that ought to be banned, but ya think perhaps crazy bastards ought to not have guns? Sure, some people who are diagnosed with minor depression might not be able to buy an AK47 but tough shit. If you've threatended to kill innocent people I'm sorry, you don't need a fucking gun. You need 3 hots and a cot.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 28, 2014, 04:32:49 AM
I don't understand why his family didn't help him get the professional treatment he so obviously needed?
According to Reason.com, he started seeing a therapist at age eight and visited a therapist almost every day as a high school student. By the time of the shooting, he had had multiple therapists.
Also, CNN reports that Rodgers did not come from a well-to-do family. He drove a BMW and wore nice clothes, but this was all in an attempt to appear wealthy. Although his parents worked in the film industry, his mother's job only paid 40k a year and his father was deeply in debt.
Quote from: stromboli on May 29, 2014, 10:48:38 AM
The most disturbing thing to me is that parts of the media have managed to lay blame on the victims. Attacking feminism and the right of women to choose their sexual partners versus making themselves available and being virginal princesses. This whole thing shows how misogynistic our society still is.
The most disturbing thing to me is that not just the media are blaming the women, but so many of the men who are commenting on the articles are blaming them as well.
In Australia health care professionals can decide if you are fit enough to hold a firearm licence, we do not allow people with mental health issues to hold a firearm licence.
Check this link out-
www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/131155/S79_Notification_FACT_Sheet_-_March_2013.pdf (http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/131155/S79_Notification_FACT_Sheet_-_March_2013.pdf)
Only someone insane would want a mentally ill person to have a firearm. The only concern I have about it is it would be easy to label everyone as having a mental issue. Who doesn't have an occasional feeling of depression or some other emotion? It is normal. It's when people have no control of it that they need to be considered mentally ill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1401516107
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on May 29, 2014, 04:36:52 PM
argumentum ad absurdum
Take Canada as an example: it has app. 100 deads due to firearms per year. The US has ten times the population of Canada, it should have app. 1,000 deads, instead it has 10,000/year. If you include accidents and suicides, that number shoots up to 40,000/year. It's true that it is people who kill people, not guns, but those numbers for the US, which are way off the chart when compared with other countries, are in need of an explanation.
Quote from: Savior2006 on May 31, 2014, 01:32:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&bpctr=1401516107
Woah, I have not seen Laci Green in ages. Very good video, basically covered all my complaints about aftermath of this.
From the Onion:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
NEWS IN BRIEF • Guns • Violence • News • ISSUE 50•21 • May 27, 2014
ISLA VISTA, CAâ€"In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,†said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.†At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.â€
What are your thoughts about this vid? Apparently according to her, feminists are using this incident to push their agenda. CMIIW
Quote from: StupidWiz on May 31, 2014, 10:10:55 AM
What are your thoughts about this vid? Apparently according to her, feminists are using this incident to push their agenda. CMIIW
As a feminist; I am not using the event itself, I am using people's reactions of, "What he did was understandable" to "push my agenda".
I generally like Jaclyn's videos, but wow... she dropped the ball with that video. She said the shit that has annoyed me time and time again with atheists... for anything else, "NO, NO, NO! The individual is FULLY responsible for his actions!"... yet when religion comes up... "Welllll... religion was probably a big reason!".
The double standard with that is so damn annoying, especially when she just got done talking about twisting events to fit your own agendas.
Yeah, I agree more with Laci than her. I can't quite put it in words, but there's definitely something wrong with how society treat men and women. :/
Quote from: Shiranu on May 31, 2014, 10:27:23 AM
As a feminist; I am not using the event itself, I am using people's reactions of, "What he did was understandable" to "push my agenda".
I generally like Jaclyn's videos, but wow... she dropped the ball with that video. She said the shit that has annoyed me time and time again with atheists... for anything else, "NO, NO, NO! The individual is FULLY responsible for his actions!"... yet when religion comes up... "Welllll... religion was probably a big reason!".
The double standard with that is so damn annoying, especially when she just got done talking about twisting events to fit your own agendas.
I picked up on that too. I do agree with her mostly and think this case isn't a very good example of misogyny in American society because it involves a single mentally ill person, an outlier, and therefore it is easily dismissed. The misogynistic responses to this case are more endemic than the case itself.
This happens all the time now. Like the sun coming up in the morning or someone taking a shower. So yeah.