http://reason.com/24-7/2014/10/22/shooting-at-war-memorial-in-ottawa-soldier
Not getting much information down here, but a Canadian Soldier was shot by a gunman who fled toward the Parliament Building in Ottawa, which is now under lockdown. There may be a related shooting in Nova Scotia? This is happening right now, and it's pretty sketchy at this point.
Thanks Obama.. Canada is feeling left out in the crazy fucks with guns thing..
I was wondering how long before someone would say that.
Quote from: SGOS on October 22, 2014, 12:33:24 PM
I was wondering how long before someone would say that.
The media is already taking wild stabs in the dark that it's ISIS..
"Well planned and coordinated attack by three guys with long guns.." Something fishy about this..
Of course CNN's Barbara Starr reports officials may have scuffed the bottoms of their shoes walking on concrete.. :eek: :shifty:
They got their guns in the United States. :eek:
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 22, 2014, 12:39:56 PM
"Well planned and coordinated attack by three guys with long guns.." :
Damn and I can't find my pic of Davy Crockett and his pals with their "long guns".....sheeeet
Aye were gettin the same story here, apparently 1 gunman is dead and another couple are on the loose, no mention of ISIS tho so no fkn idea who is responsible at this point.....
Crazy bastards with guns, just another day on planet earth. :wtff:
One guy with a double barrel shotgun.. Recent convert to #gasp!# Islam.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 22, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
One guy with a double barrel shotgun.. Recent convert to #gasp!# Islam.
Actually, with later information, it does seem like this might be terrorist activity. Although, not well organized. More like the Boston bombers.
Shouldn't we be putting Canada in Gitmo?
It's those damn Amish again!! Or Mennonites?
If we only knew what is the motive.
Brevik was a devout Muslim too...
..wait...
We can make it fit....right? :think:
(http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/drivebc_supp/canada_map.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Guantanamo_Bay_map.png)
No fkn idea yet what motive he had or might have had and he seemed to be alone when he ran amok, the guy who took him down got a standing ovation in the canadian parliament so well done him.
An it has scared the shit out of westminster according to the itv news , beefing up security at the house of commons just in case another lone nutcase gets any ideas.......
Well, whatever the motive was, no one must mention JIM.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 22, 2014, 07:00:29 PM
One guy with a double barrel shotgun.. Recent convert to #gasp!# Islam.
Quote from: Shiranu on October 23, 2014, 05:53:54 PM
Brevik was a devout Muslim too...
..wait...
Sorry, but sometimes Islamic radicals do kill people. I'm not PR126 or your interpretation of him, I know that not all Muslims are violent. I interact with Muslims regularly because my local gas station is across from an Islamic community center/mosque.
That being said the man being a recent convert is not some insignificant detail. It needs to be examined. Like it or not Islamic jihad is a real threat, as is Christian nationalism.
Aye they do, and just like Christian nationalists they do it for political reasons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
Quote from: Shiranu on October 24, 2014, 01:49:06 AM
Aye they do, and just like Christian nationalists they do it for political reasons.
Well, as long as it's for political reasons rather than religious...
Quote from: Shiranu on October 24, 2014, 01:49:06 AM
Aye they do, and just like Christian nationalists they do it for political reasons.
So Christian nationalist do behead, rape, mass murder and enslave people around the world daily.
Why is this not reported by the media?
Quote from: pr126 on October 24, 2014, 08:06:47 AM
So Christian nationalist do behead, rape, mass murder and enslave people around the world daily.
Why is this not reported by the media?
In places like Africa they indeed do.. In the US christian nationalists use the power of states as their backdoor proxy and do indeed kill people. It's a regular occurrence in Texas. Russia allows gangs to beat and kill homosexuals and other 'undesirables'.. Sorry, not officially allowed to cut heads off...yet.
Quote from: pr126 on October 24, 2014, 08:06:47 AM
So Christian nationalist do behead, rape, mass murder and enslave people around the world daily.
Why is this not reported by the media?
They do.
And really, did you really just imply that the media is fair and balanced and if they don't report on something (that some major outlets DO report on)... it's not happening?
I guess Buddhists also aren't raping, ethnic cleansing and enslaving Muslims daily, even though they are. And Sudan is a paradise, because I never hear the media say anything about it.
You forget Shiranu.. PR has special ears that allows him to uniquely hear what he wants to hear and filter the rest out.. :naughty:
Quote from: Shiranu on October 24, 2014, 01:49:06 AM
Aye they do, and just like Christian nationalists they do it for political reasons.
And only political reasons, never religious at all.
To bad the world has been duped into thinking religion is anything but political..
These two were radicalized through the web. It used to be that radicalization took placed at the mosque from a radical imam. Now, this radicalization done though the net will be much tougher to stamp down... unless the authorities can censor the internet, which is done certain in countries like China, but in the Western World, where freedoms and liberties are cherished, internet censorship has been so far a no-go. Will this new situation forces all of us to rethink and reposition ourselves in regards to freedoms and liberties? Stay tuned.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 24, 2014, 11:44:20 AM
These two were radicalized through the web. It used to be that radicalization took placed at the mosque from a radical imam. Now, this radicalization done though the net will be much tougher to stamp down... unless the authorities can censor the internet, which is done certain in countries like China, but in the Western World, where freedoms and liberties are cherished, internet censorship has been so far a no-go. Will this new situation forces all of us to rethink and reposition ourselves in regards to freedoms and liberties? Stay tuned.
I would guess that the powers that be are considering this, although they know it will be controversial. Frankly, I'm not sure why they aren't already doing it as a national security measure. We've been losing our freedoms ever since 9-11. Why stop now?
I take the radicalization claims with a grain of salt. My feeling is these are the types who will do dumb shit anyway regardless of what some imam tells them or even someone like Patty boy Robertson.. Prisons are full of people who claim god or satan told them to do stupid shit..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on October 24, 2014, 11:56:23 AM
I take the radicalization claims with a grain of salt. My feeling is these are the types who will do dumb shit anyway regardless of what some imam tells them or even someone like Patty boy Robertson.. Prisons are full of people who claim god or satan told them to do stupid shit..
I've always thought the violence preached by Islam provides an excuse for crazy people to carry out their violent tendencies. But I think there is another problem here. While violence prone people certainly exist, they don't need to be encouraged. Some will act out their violence in any case, but others might suppress their urges when it's not encouraged, but encouraging violence is certainly not something sane people would want to do.
In any society, things are identified as causes of violence; For example, video games. But I think there might be a difference in the amount of video game inspired violence, and Islamic inspired violence. I don't know this for sure. I'm not sure such a thing has ever been studied by psychologists.
PR, who the fuck is Ben Shapiro?
Ben Shapiro (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ben+Shapiro)
Must be another bigoted islamophobe. Very likely a Zionist too.
Thoughtcrime. Doubleplus ungood.
From his wiki page: "American conservative political commentator, radio talk show host, attorney, and media consultant."
Absent from this list, any actual qualifications that he might know what the fuck he's talking about in terms of geopolitics. So I ask again: who the fuck is Ben Shapiro?
Obviously someone who is less qualified to express an opinion than you do.
As for who he really is, ask him . His contact address is easy to find.
Maybe you get an answer.
Quote from: SGOS on October 24, 2014, 12:27:38 PM
In any society, things are identified as causes of violence; For example, video games. But I think there might be a difference in the amount of video game inspired violence, and Islamic inspired violence. I don't know this for sure. I'm not sure such a thing has ever been studied by psychologists.
The big difference is that Islamic ideology, contrary to the video games, makes the aggressor believe that his violent act is righteous and that his sacrifice will be followed by a heavenly reward. So I have no doubt that Islamic radicalization will become a danger that we cannot simply ignore. Your ordinary school shooting - "which happens every Wednesday" as it was famously said - will become shooting in the name of Allah. :-(
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 25, 2014, 09:54:38 AM
The big difference is that Islamic ideology, contrary to the video games, makes the aggressor believe that his violent act is righteous and that his sacrifice will be followed by a heavenly reward.
Players of video games generally understand the game isn't real. Followers of Islam or any other religion think it is real.
Meanwhile, that back to nature cop killer survivalist in Pennsylvania, has been eluding the FBI and hiding out in the woods for over a month now, but he's a true blue God fearin' card carryin' NRA member that loves America. NPR did a little update on him yesterday.
Quote from: pr126 on October 25, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
Obviously someone who is less qualified to express an opinion than you do.
As for who he really is, ask him . His contact address is easy to find.
Maybe you get an answer.
About all the "qualifications" Ben Shapiro seems to have is in political science. However, in talking about populations, the relevant skill set is
statistics.Since you seem unwilling to defend your own source of information (let alone draw any sort of connection to this case) then I suppose it can be safely ignored.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on October 25, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
About all the "qualifications" Ben Shapiro seems to have is in political science. However, in talking about populations, the relevant skill set is statistics.
Since you seem unwilling to defend your own source of information (let alone draw any sort of connection to this case) then I suppose it can be safely ignored.
What is there to defend? What happened to "Who the fuck is Ben Shapiro?"
What is eating you?
Here, play with this thread (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=6458.0) for a while.
Don't forget to ask Stromboli "who the fuck is Shapiro".
See if you get an answer. If you so desperately need it.
QuoteI suppose it can be safely ignored.
Yes, you do that.
Quote from: pr126 on October 26, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
What is there to defend? What happened to "Who the fuck is Ben Shapiro?"
Apparently, you're too obtuse to catch the subtext, so I'll state it straight: Why should this guy be listened to?
Quote from: pr126 on October 26, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
What is eating you?
The poor sources you tend to cite.
Quote from: pr126 on October 26, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
Here, play with this thread (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=6458.0) for a while.
Don't forget to ask Stromboli "who the fuck is Shapiro".
See if you get an answer. If you so desperately need it.
Just because it's in another thread doesn't make it any more credible a citation.
Yeah, great. Have a nice day.
Quote from: SGOS on October 25, 2014, 10:36:58 AM
Players of video games generally understand the game isn't real. Followers of Islam or any other religion think it is real.
Agree. My other point was that in the past when radicalization was primarily done at the mosque, it was easier to detect as security agents could put surveillance on those suspected of being radicalized, not withstanding that other members of the mosque could alert the authorities of anyone suspicious of being radicalized. However, with radicalization on the net, if the individual is no longer communicating with the outside world, such individuals are much harder to be detected.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 26, 2014, 10:18:21 AM
Agree. My other point was that in the past when radicalization was primarily done at the mosque, it was easier to detect as security agents could put surveillance on those suspected of being radicalized, not withstanding that other members of the mosque could alert the authorities of anyone suspicious of being radicalized. However, with radicalization on the net, if the individual is no longer communicating with the outside world, such individuals are much harder to be detected.
I see your point now.
Quote from: pr126 on October 23, 2014, 01:30:51 PM
It's those damn Amish again!! Or Mennonites?
If we only knew what is the motive.
Maybe his motive was that Canada is helping the Americans kill a lot of Muslims, first in Afghanistan, and now in Iraq and Syria? My country Canada has turned into America's bitch, and it's sad.
We pretty much asked for this attack to happen. We knew the guy wanted to go fight overseas, but we banned him from leaving the country. Big shocker that he then acts out when we announce we are at war with the Islamic State. Real convenient that this happens and we're about to get our own version of your Patriot Act passed up here.
Islam is terrible, sure, but the religion of Islam is never going to be able to change and move forward like the other religions even a little bit, and we are a huge part of why. Endless war killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions is only going to make the problem much worse. We are only giving the Muslims of the world more reason to become radicalised. At least the shooter in Canada didn't take any civilians out, and only went after military/ government. That's more than you can say for us in the West, bombing wedding parties.
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on November 01, 2014, 08:18:27 PM
Maybe his motive was that Canada is helping the Americans kill a lot of Muslims, first in Afghanistan, and now in Iraq and Syria? My country Canada has turned into America's bitch, and it's sad.
We pretty much asked for this attack to happen. We knew the guy wanted to go fight overseas, but we banned him from leaving the country. Big shocker that he then acts out when we announce we are at war with the Islamic State. Real convenient that this happens and we're about to get our own version of your Patriot Act passed up here.
Islam is terrible, sure, but the religion of Islam is never going to be able to change and move forward like the other religions even a little bit, and we are a huge part of why. Endless war killing hundreds of thousands and displacing millions is only going to make the problem much worse. We are only giving the Muslims of the world more reason to become radicalised. At least the shooter in Canada didn't take any civilians out, and only went after military/ government. That's more than you can say for us in the West, bombing wedding parties.
Yes, it is all your fault. Go on, blame yourself, you worthless filthy kuffar.
Just a note, Islam was the same murderous raping, beheading, child molesting, oppressing fascist belief hundreds of years before the US or Canada existed.
I wonder who's fault was it then?
Islam is everything you said it is, but that should be for the Muslims to deal with themselves. Muslims suffer the most from how terrible the religion is, so let them either change on their own over time or continue suffering. They are not a threat to Canada or the US. They are a threat to someone else.
Obama was determined to go to war in Syria with or without ISIS being a problem anyways. First he tried to get support for going to war (against ISIS's enemy, Assad) but the support was not there. Then Obama and America's allies armed ISIS and they turned into a big deal, and Obama got his excuse to go to war in Syria.
I would rather Assad stay in power and keep the Muslim extremists in check, but the US is determined to see Assad go, so the country will probably end up in the hands of Muslims who denounce ISIS, but are nearly just as extreme. The US doesn't want things to get better in the Middle East. They want an excuse for endless war.
QuoteIslam is everything you said it is, but that should be for the Muslims to deal with themselves.
Muslims cannot and will not "deal" with it. The Quran forbids it.
QuoteMuslims suffer the most from how terrible the religion is, so let them either change on their own over time or continue suffering.
See above, but how soon do you expect any change? Because in the meantime they are spreading Islam (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) all over the planet.
QuoteThey are not a threat to Canada or the US.
Oh, really? Are you sure? What is in this thread? What was 9/11?
QuoteThey are a threat to someone else.
Oh, good. No bother then. Sit back and wait until it becomes your threat. Which could be quite soon.
I don't know how soon I would expect Islam to become more tame. Maybe a couple hundred years. Who knows. You and I both dislike the spreading of Islam all over the planet, but is that not what we're helping accomplish with our wars? We're just helping them recruit, and to make it worse we are arming the extremists. The Islamic State has a shitload of American weapons and vehicles, and the West continues to arm the FSA who are eating the hearts out of those they kill and acting just as extreme as the Islamic State in a lot of cases.
The Islamic State is terrible and they should be challenged, just not by us. Instead of letting Assad fuck them up, we armed them against Assad. Would ISIS have been anywhere near the problem they are if we didn't arm them? If we stayed out of it and let Assad do his thing, ISIS would not be near what it is at this time. You see why I'm in favour of staying out of things now? We stay out of it and we would be in a much better situation right now.
Let the Iraqis fight the Islamic State. If they knew we weren't going to fight for them, they would fight for themselves, and if they don't want to fight them, let them go ahead and live in the Middle Ages. This shooting and the other soldier getting run over are insignificant to me. We are the ones that decided to go to war with them. Not the other way around. Of course a few of ours are going to deal with the consequences of this war we asked for.
You got it! :super:
Quote from: FaithIsFilth on November 02, 2014, 10:10:37 AM
I don't know how soon I would expect Islam to become more tame. Maybe a couple hundred years. Who knows. You and I both dislike the spreading of Islam all over the planet, but is that not what we're helping accomplish with our wars? We're just helping them recruit, and to make it worse we are arming the extremists. The Islamic State has a shitload of American weapons and vehicles, and the West continues to arm the FSA who are eating the hearts out of those they kill and acting just as extreme as the Islamic State in a lot of cases.
The Islamic State is terrible and they should be challenged, just not by us. Instead of letting Assad fuck them up, we armed them against Assad. Would ISIS have been anywhere near the problem they are if we didn't arm them? If we stayed out of it and let Assad do his thing, ISIS would not be near what it is at this time. You see why I'm in favour of staying out of things now? We stay out of it and we would be in a much better situation right now.
Let the Iraqis fight the Islamic State. If they knew we weren't going to fight for them, they would fight for themselves, and if they don't want to fight them, let them go ahead and live in the Middle Ages. This shooting and the other soldier getting run over are insignificant to me. We are the ones that decided to go to war with them. Not the other way around. Of course a few of ours are going to deal with the consequences of this war we asked for.
Good points. the only rationale I can see, and as I have mentioned before, is the justification for the military industrial complex in the US. No question that is why the Republicans are completely for it.