Started by josephpalazzo, July 26, 2014, 04:48:05 PM
Quote from: Solitary on July 26, 2014, 04:51:11 PMNo! Because then they would not be moral accept in their own emotional delusions and want for retribution. Solitary
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 26, 2014, 05:01:37 PMLet me give you a concrete case: suppose your friend has been brainwashed (an immoral act) to believe a falsehood, and the only way to save your friend from this falsehood is to use a brainwashing technique against his will. Would you do it?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 26, 2014, 04:48:05 PMCan someone who is moral use a tactic that would be considered immoral to correct an immoral act?
Quote from: josephpalazzo on July 26, 2014, 05:01:37 PMsuppose your friend has been brainwashed...
Quote from: Moralnihilist on July 27, 2014, 08:59:05 AMthe answer to your question is answered by this:It depends on what the morality of the society that the "moral" person lives in is. If the society says it would be ok, then it is and the man is still moral. If not, nope.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 26, 2014, 05:10:22 PMIf he is not spreading his false beliefs and also not hurting anyone and if he is also not hurting himself, his belief is harmless and it is is not moral to do that...BUTIf he is doing one of those things, and he is either spreading his beliefs and other people are starting to believe, if he is hurting someone else, and/or he is hurting himself, it is not only moral to use brainwashing techniques to un-brainwash him, I would almost argue that it would be immoral to not do anything, if you knew you could do something about it.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 27, 2014, 02:12:02 AMDefine "moral."
Quote from: SGOS on July 27, 2014, 03:47:56 AMHow does brainwashing differ from convincing someone of something? Are we talking extraordinary means to accomplish the conversion? And where is the line in the process that separates moral from immoral?
Quote from: stromboli on July 27, 2014, 09:29:28 AMRight, and we are back to the what is moral issue. Not going there again.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on July 27, 2014, 11:02:08 AMI would argue that is's perfectly harmless to be delusional as long as you aren't spreading your delusion and your delusion isn't causing abuse for yourself or others.For instance: If you believe there is a god, but he is not going to be sending anyone to hell because you don't believe in hell, by all means.... go ahead. It's not hurting anyone. It might be holding you back in your intelligence a bit in what you might be able to learn, but as ling as you aren't spreading that to other people that might go in to helping our advances as a culture and with our technology, it doesn't really matter.The belief of karma is something I would define as a moral belief. It isn't really a god, but it is a speculation of how people that do positive things will have positive things happen to them, and people that do negative things have negative things happen to them. That I would define as harmless.... maybe not moral.... but definitely not immoral. I don't think moral or immoral even applies to that situation. I say just leave it be. on the other hand: if your belief causes any harm or abuse.... mental or physical... that is immoral. People that tell children if they don't believe in god, they will suffer for eternity, people that suppress sexuality, people that believe that others need to believe so they don't suffer for eternity, people that think they can do whatever they want as long as they pray for forgiveness, people that think faith healing is a good substitute for medicine... holding them off from getting real treatment, people that cockblock technological and cultural advances, etc...... have very harmful and abusive beliefs. It hurts other people and themselves, therefore it is immoral. I would argue that if you have the tools to at least try to make the difference and stop or slow that spread of hurtful belief, it would be moral to do so. Because it is stopping the harm of others. It's kind of like watching someone get mugged on the street. Would you try to stop it or at least call the police on them? It would be immoral not to.