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Title: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 18, 2013, 12:49:30 PM
This may have been posted before. It stems from a 2008 article. Worth a repost.

QuoteIn 1971, biologists moved five adult pairs of Italian wall lizards from their home island of Pod Kopiste, in the South Adriatic Sea, to the neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru. Now, an international team of researchers has shown that introducing these small, green-backed lizards, Podarcis sicula, to a new environment caused them to undergo rapid and large-scale evolutionary changes.

"Striking differences in head size and shape, increased bite strength and the development of new structures in the lizard's digestive tracts were noted after only 36 years, which is an extremely short time scale," says Duncan Irschick, a professor of biology at the University of Massachusetts Amherst. "These physical changes have occurred side-by-side with dramatic changes in population density and social structure."
 
Researchers returned to the islands twice a year for three years, in the spring and summer of 2004, 2005 and 2006. Captured lizards were transported to a field laboratory and measured for snout-vent length, head dimensions and body mass. Tail clips taken for DNA analysis confirmed that the Pod Mrcaru lizards were genetically identical to the source population on Pod Kopiste.

Read more at: Lizards Undergo Rapid Evolution After Introduction To A New Home (//http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080417112433.htm)
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Mister Agenda on September 18, 2013, 01:52:11 PM
I read about this elsewhere, and it's fascinating. It looks like when you turn up the pressure, evolution can move faster than anyone thought.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 18, 2013, 02:03:21 PM
First off, they are only examining the lizards that they catch.  They don't have a whole sample to go by.  And secondly, it is micro-evolution going on, not macro-evolution.  There is no proof that the lizards spawned cats for instance.  Also, they didn't mention any transitory fossils for the lizards.  You atheists and your quaint ideas about science.  If you really want to know how things are, read the holy book.  It explains everything about everything you need to know.  Oh yeah, don't forget to tithe.

Just thought I'd play devil's advocate.   :twisted:
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Solitary on September 18, 2013, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"First off, they are only examining the lizards that they catch.  They don't have a whole sample to go by.  And secondly, it is micro-evolution going on, not macro-evolution.  There is no proof that the lizards spawned cats for instance.  Also, they didn't mention any transitory fossils for the lizards.  You atheists and your quaint ideas about science.  If you really want to know how things are, read the holy book.  It explains everything about everything you need to know.  Oh yeah, don't forget to tithe.

Just thought I'd play devil's advocate.   :twisted:


Oh Yeah! What about poodles?  :P  Solitary
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 18, 2013, 04:03:32 PM
Hey, it's been only 36 years. Give it a few hundred MILION years, and you'll get cats.

 Meow.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 18, 2013, 08:15:05 PM
Solitary wrote:
QuoteOh Yeah! What about poodles? :P Solitary
Well, the devil made God do poodles.  :oops:   Which proves God is infinitely merciful.

josephpalazzo wrote:
QuoteHey, it's been only 36 years. Give it a few hundred MILION years, and you'll get cats.

Meow.
But, that's not possible as the world and the universe is only seven thousand years old.  Ah Ah! Checkmate.  Got you good on that one.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 18, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"josephpalazzo wrote:
QuoteHey, it's been only 36 years. Give it a few hundred MILION years, and you'll get cats.
Meow.
But, that's not possible as the world and the universe is only seven thousand years old.  Ah Ah! Checkmate.  Got you good on that one.   :rolleyes:

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Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 18, 2013, 08:49:49 PM
See Chuck agrees with me.  8-[   Nice one, btw.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Mermaid on September 18, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
actually a better and more repeatable evidence of evolution is the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, pesticide-resistant bugs or herbicide-resistant weeds.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: MrsSassyPants on September 18, 2013, 10:10:56 PM
Walking shark discovered on bottom of ocean.  Google it
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 18, 2013, 11:34:14 PM
Mermaid wrote:
Quoteactually a better and more repeatable evidence of evolution is the development of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, pesticide-resistant bugs or herbicide-resistant weeds.
Can't see em.  They don't count.  And where is the fossil evidence of transitory species?  UhUh? Got you. Checkmate.

fingerscrossed2013 wrote:
QuoteWalking shark discovered on bottom of ocean. Google it
Micro-evolution at work, proving there is a God and Jesus and Mohammad were both right and if we don't worship them with our money, we'll go to hell.  Checkmate.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Mermaid on September 19, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
=D> LTB, you're good. You've got game.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Jason78 on September 19, 2013, 09:15:24 AM
In other breaking news, bricks fall when dropped!
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Mermaid on September 19, 2013, 09:16:39 AM
Quote from: "Jason78"In other breaking news, bricks fall when dropped!
THAT IS JUST A THEORY, YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF!
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: josephpalazzo on September 19, 2013, 10:21:24 AM
Quote from: "Mermaid"
Quote from: "Jason78"In other breaking news, bricks fall when dropped!
THAT IS JUST A THEORY, YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF!
Let me test the theory by dropping bricks on your head.
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Colanth on September 19, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
Quote from: "Mermaid"=D> LTB, you're good. You've got game.
AND ...

The bacteria are still bacteria, the bugs are still bugs and the weeds are still weeds.  No MACRO-evolution.  (My favorite is the "bacteria are still bacteria" one - so if a lamprey egg hatched a chimp, it's still an animal, so no macroevolution, huh?)
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: LikelyToBreak on September 19, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
Colanth wrote:
QuoteThe bacteria are still bacteria, the bugs are still bugs and the weeds are still weeds. No MACRO-evolution. (My favorite is the "bacteria are still bacteria" one - so if a lamprey egg hatched a chimp, it's still an animal, so no macroevolution, huh?)
Damn, you got game too.  :lol:
Title: Re: PROOF OF EVOLUTION
Post by: Smartmarzipan on September 19, 2013, 07:34:49 PM
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