The United States of Nazi America????

Started by Mike Cl, August 14, 2021, 08:20:12 PM

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Shiranu

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2021, 06:11:39 PM
I knew a guy who lost it watching "Johnny Got His Gun". He was fragile before then, and that was the last straw.

Haven't seen it or read the book, I'll have to watch it someday.
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Mike Cl

Quote from: Shiranu on August 15, 2021, 06:18:27 PM
Haven't seen it or read the book, I'll have to watch it someday.
Johnny Got His Gun is a powerful book--written, I think in the late 30's and based upon WWI.  It is short and well written--very easy read, yet a true horror story in it's own right.  The movie came out in the 70's I think and is also quite powerful.  Both are worthwhile. 
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Jason Harvestdancer

I think the party that has been warning us about impending fascism should be congratulated for actually implementing it.
White privilege is being a lifelong racist, then being sent to the White House twice because your running mate is a minority.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA!

Shiranu

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Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on November 12, 2021, 05:27:08 PM
I think the party that has been warning us about impending fascism should be congratulated for actually implementing it.



I don't know if you meant the GOP or DNC since that applies to both...
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Jason Harvestdancer

The GOP has been less active in saying "The Fascists are coming!  The Fascists are coming!"
White privilege is being a lifelong racist, then being sent to the White House twice because your running mate is a minority.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA!

Mike Cl

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on November 12, 2021, 09:17:49 PM
The GOP has been less active in saying "The Fascists are coming!  The Fascists are coming!"
Yeah.  Because they are the fascists.
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GodFree

Serious question: I can see why many people don't like Trump's personality, but I'm curious why some associate him with National Socialism.  Can someone reply with an example of a policy position he put forth that would support this assertion?  Or am I just being too literal, and what was meant was that some posters just really don't like him and were just name-calling?  Granted,  my reply is belated and Trump isn't really relevant anymore, but I am curious.

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Dark Lightning

Quote from: GodFree on November 13, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Serious question: I can see why many people don't like Trump's personality, but I'm curious why some associate him with National Socialism.  Can someone reply with an example of a policy position he put forth that would support this assertion?  Or am I just being too literal, and what was meant was that some posters just really don't like him and were just name-calling?  Granted,  my reply is belated and Trump isn't really relevant anymore, but I am curious.

The far right has co-opted the socialist part of what the NAZIs did. They have all the fascist parts of it, replete of the socialistic part. They are upside-down on that. They don't care a pinch of feces for human rights, and will run people down in the streets if they disagree. They will attempt to throw over a legal election by violent means, as we have seen.

Mike Cl

Quote from: GodFree on November 13, 2021, 08:19:51 PM
Serious question: I can see why many people don't like Trump's personality, but I'm curious why some associate him with National Socialism.  Can someone reply with an example of a policy position he put forth that would support this assertion?  Or am I just being too literal, and what was meant was that some posters just really don't like him and were just name-calling?  Granted,  my reply is belated and Trump isn't really relevant anymore, but I am curious.
I am sorry to say, but trump is still relevant now.  He uses the Big Lie that Hitler outlined in Mein Kompf.  He is a white supremist and aids those who are as well.  He uses fear, much as Hitler did.  He is still trying to turn the office of the Presidency into the office of the dictatorship--as Hitler did.  Google 'fascism'  and see how many points trump likes to use.  Trump is still using the Big Lie to force repubs to do his bidding or he will destroy them.  And he has given his followers and minions the green light to use hate openly.  And.................on and on.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Cassia

Agreed...It is the attempt to delegitimize our core democratic institutions. His shitheads came close to burning the capital down just like Hitler's brown shirts did to the Reichstag. Carrying a noose to hang the Vice President. The intelligence community, FBI and press caught Trump sucking Putin's dick-tator, so they are all terrible people. The impeached "Find me votes" Trump has never even accepted his defeat. The "Nationalism" and exceptionalism. Persecution of immigrants, flag worship, just like Nazis. He thinks the traitor Confederates can be admired and we should leave their 1950s 'historical' statues up and well hey, lets have some more torchlight racist rallies, just like the fucking Nazis. I am no fan of China, but Trump Tariffs without a back-up plan (during a pandemic) are part of the reason for inflation and empty shelves we see now.


Dark Lightning

The chump's tariffs are a joke, when one considers that many, if not most, companies moved their manufacturing facilities to the Pacific Rim. The idea with a tariff is to encourage the population to "buy local". Can't buy local if there is no local producer of said good(s). One of my friends started off talking about how the tariffs the chump imposed in 2017 were a good thing. It took a couple of times of asking him who was paying the tariff before he got it. We've lost that infrastructure, and it's going to be painfully expensive to get it back, and I don't expect manufacturing to return to the US in any meaningful way.

Cassia

Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 13, 2021, 11:23:14 PM
The chump's tariffs are a joke, when one considers that many, if not most, companies moved their manufacturing facilities to the Pacific Rim. The idea with a tariff is to encourage the population to "buy local". Can't buy local if there is no local producer of said good(s). One of my friends started off talking about how the tariffs the chump imposed in 2017 were a good thing. It took a couple of times of asking him who was paying the tariff before he got it. We've lost that infrastructure, and it's going to be painfully expensive to get it back, and I don't expect manufacturing to return to the US in any meaningful way.
I hope it does return..it will take time, training, and investment and the super-wealthy might make just a  little bit less, so you are probably right.

Jason Harvestdancer

Quote from: Mike Cl on November 13, 2021, 08:19:27 AM
Yeah.  Because they are the fascists.

Yet they're not the ones implementing it.
White privilege is being a lifelong racist, then being sent to the White House twice because your running mate is a minority.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA!

Dark Lightning

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on November 13, 2021, 11:56:25 PM
Yet they're not the ones implementing it.

They never will, imo. Why go back to paying union employees a living wage, when one can starve some poor sap on foreign soil, and get the same result? That's only partly sarcasm. One thing that sticks in my mind is when Apple had execs visiting their subsidy in China (Foxconn) about the frequent suicides of employees from overwork, and someone jumped off the roof when they were there. The solution was to lock the roof hatches so they couldn't get out and jump, but that rubbed up against any possible fire safety codes. Some of the shit I was subjected to while working as a mechanic is completely illegal, these days.

Shiranu

Out of curiosity, how would you define fascism? Because by the standard definitions I can find, both sides exhibit and enact fascist policies.

If we are just talking about the lockdowns, mandatory vaccs, etc. that would be more appropriately called authoritarianism because none of it seems to have the ultra-nationalist undertones that all definitions of fascism has.
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