Started by mediumaevum, June 07, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: mediumaevum on June 10, 2014, 05:49:54 AMThen the Absolute Truth, in regards to the content of the box, is this grogan. Whatever that is/means.The Absolute Truth is the sum of the matter in the entire universe. Is this really so hard to grasp for you?I am not moving goalposts. YOU just don't want to understand anything, and have your biased suppositions about me.
Quote from: Ferrin on June 10, 2014, 08:50:48 AMDepending on how you define matter this may not apply:We need to build up from our current knowledge to fill in the pieces of the puzzle, what you do by defining your "Absolute Truth" is imagining where the borders of the puzzle are before we even get there. The assumption you make about the universe is based on our current knowledge, and regards future knowledge. It's assuming we know enough about the universe now and giving a truth-statement about it.If matter is "anything that matters":It's highly likely that there exist things outside of our means to observe them, perhaps we will never observe these things and they're all around us, in a state that doesn't interact with us and anything we may ever observe. Are those things part of your "Absolute Truth"? Because if they're not, which I'm fairly certain of as you define "Absolute Truth" with matter(Which is also vague, please define), then saying "Absolute Truth" is no different from "the universe". If it does include things beyond our existence, read my earlier post about things like that.Just be clear with your definitions please, makes things much easier.To everyone else; please make sure I get things right.
Quote from: DunkleSeele on June 10, 2014, 09:28:16 AMWell, I for one have a bit of an issue with the part I've bolded. As I understand it - and please correct me if I'm wrong - you're referring to something "supernatural", in the sense that these things aren't subject to our natural laws. If this is the case I have to point out that, so far, there's not even a hint of such things existing, let alone them being "all around us". Can you please shed some light on your thoughts?
Quote from: \"the_antithesis\"Faith says, "I believe this and I don\'t care what you say, I cannot possibly be wrong." Faith is an act of pride.
Quote from: \"AllPurposeAtheist\"The moral high ground was dug up and made into a walmart apparently today.
Quote from: aitm on June 08, 2014, 12:05:25 PMHumanity has had at least two great moments of arrogance, the first being that a "god" created the universe just for them, the second that they and they alone define what is and what is not.
Quote from: frosty on June 10, 2014, 04:37:05 PMBut go tell a religious person that and they will immediately reply saying you are the arrogant one. It's a back and forth shitfest that seems, literally, like it never ends. In fact, I find it interesting that many posts here characterize faith as an act of pride/arrogance/hubris because I've been labelled as such in my many gruelling battles with Theists on the Internet over the years.Both sides think the opposition is arrogant. Who can settle the issue once and for all? I don't think anybody can.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on June 10, 2014, 04:52:26 PMThe arrogance of the theist argument is thus: I don't know, therefore I know that it was my god.The atheist "arrogance" is thus: I don't know, therefore I don't know. By making the claim to have an insight to whatever it is, even after admitting that one has no knowledge, displays arrogance. By admitting a persons knowledge limitations is not arrogance(at least not by any definition of the word Ive ever heard/used).
Quote from: frosty on June 10, 2014, 05:21:46 PMI think after what you said, the religious person would just reply back with emotion, testifying "You are the one with the arrogance since you don't believe in god" or something to that effect. It's what I seen literally every time I've argued with a Theist on this matter. I guess you could say this is like the equivalent of slamming your cranium into a brick wall, repeatedly. The Theist will simply keep repeating themselves and it's like arguing with a 4-8 year old (around that age group).
Quote from: wittgenstein on October 10, 2014, 01:07:03 PMSure we can say that,but can anyone know what a square circle is?
Quote from: Jason78 on October 10, 2014, 01:16:36 PMIt's a circle where each corner is a right angle.
Quote from: wittgenstein on October 11, 2014, 07:57:03 AMThat does not get rid of the self contradiction. " A circle with each corner being a right angle " is a self-contradictory sentence. Similarly, no one can understand what a married bachelor is.
Quote from: wittgenstein on October 11, 2014, 07:57:03 AMGranted, self-contradictions are many in quantum mechanics. My point is that for us humans they explain nothing. Many physicists have abandoned hope of any explanation and have become logical positivists. * In other words they accept that their equations accurately predict results but explain nothing.
Quote from: wittgenstein on October 11, 2014, 07:57:03 AM* Logical positism is famous for being self refuting. Logical positism's fundamental belief is that if a proposition is neither analytical or empirical it is gibberish. Is the proposition " any proposition that is neither analytical or empirical is gibberish " analytical? Nope! Is it empirical? Nope! Therefore the central idea of logical positism is gibberish!