Theist:Why do you think God does not exist what are your reasons?

[Baruch]

Depression runs in my mother's side of the family.
Though so far my brother, sister and cousins seem spared. Then again; the bouts have always begun midlife. We'll see.
I only know this: even with witnessing it up close, it remains hard to continuously be understanding towards someone with depression.

Some people are just no fun to be around.

[Mike Cl]

Nonsense

I go to the doc when I need. I just don't find it beneficial to be like the walking dead and really do think emotional pain needs to be dealt with and not masked. When I get a lung infection about once a month, due to my COPD, I bring my ass on in for some steroids and antibiotics, because I understand and agree that my lungs can't fight the infection off on their own, and I will be otherwise hospitalized eventually.

You want people to have faith in doctors and science. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with that if I didn't have doctors argue with me about the origin of my own giant cell tumor, and then manipulate the scenario so they could do a needless biopsy. (They generally neglect to tell you that a biopsy generally raises the chances of metastasis, and  transformation into cancer)

They tried to have me allow them to remove my entire arm from the shoulder. They ended up doing a case study or something during the biopsy, bringing in specialists and students alike. The point is that you shouldn't have faith in things based on the general consensus.

And if you are curious; they demanded that a tumor cannot be caused by trauma.  Mine was. They claimed it would destroy the use of my right arm, yet has only worked to strengthen and reinforce it.

Funny how the body fixes itself when you don't f with it.

The same holds true for the mind in a sense, not that one should avoid depression or what have you; just that all other avenues such as self honesty and facing ones own shortcomings or demons should be thoroughly traversed prior to resorting to mind altering drugs.

And doubly so for children who's minds are still developing.

Just an opinion; don't freak out.

peace

Well, Pops, I must admit I admire your grit and scrappiness.  Keep on doing what it takes to make it to the next day.  Whatever works for you works--and keep right on doing it.  I can only wish you the best of luck.  But I still think your ideas about god are not founded on rational thinking.  Be that as it may, maybe irrational thinking is what is keeping you keeping on.  So do it.

[SGOS]

I am having dental work tomorrow ... I am paying a dentist to hurt me in the short run, because we hope it will be good for me in the long run.  On the other hand, there may be no long run, given my age. 

I am having dental work tomorrow.  At 3:15 PM.  Believe it or not, I still have a wisdom tooth to be extracted.  I was planning on dying with my wisdom teeth, but it ain't gonna happen.

[SGOS]

Depression runs in my mother's side of the family.
Though so far my brother, sister and cousins seem spared. Then again; the bouts have always begun midlife. We'll see.
I only know this: even with witnessing it up close, it remains hard to continuously be understanding towards someone with depression.

My father suffered from depression.  I know he was my father and all and deserved some slack, but my god, he could be a pain in the ass.  I've talked to a couple of other people who suffer from depression who seemed to have a pretty good understanding about how it can affect other people, and they said they have to make a concentrated effort at not pulling others down.  I kind of understood that in spite of their best efforts, they weren't always successful.  But I give them credit for understanding that aspect of their depression.

[fencerider]

do the drs really give out cures for depression? dont they make more money off you by purposely not curing you? The first cure for cancer was found in 1921, and a few more have been found since then. The drug companies cant get a patent or copyright for natural substances so they try to keep them hidden. If they didn't they wouldn't get to cash in on their manufactured substances. For all we know there may be a cure for depression in your kitchen thats being hidden so the drug companies can sell chemicals

[popsthebuilder]

Well, Pops, I must admit I admire your grit and scrappiness.  Keep on doing what it takes to make it to the next day.  Whatever works for you works--and keep right on doing it.  I can only wish you the best of luck.  But I still think your ideas about god are not founded on rational thinking.  Be that as it may, maybe irrational thinking is what is keeping you keeping on.  So do it.

I'm only 35 and feel much of the time as if I am very near my death bed. I will keep on though, until I can no longer extract enough oxygen from the air to stay concious. Minus the whole illogical or irrational thing.

I do understand how and why you could and would find me irrational, but I really am not. You are entitled to your opinion though.

peace

[Blackleaf]

do the drs really give out cures for depression? dont they make more money off you by purposely not curing you? The first cure for cancer was found in 1921, and a few more have been found since then. The drug companies cant get a patent or copyright for natural substances so they try to keep them hidden. If they didn't they wouldn't get to cash in on their manufactured substances. For all we know there may be a cure for depression in your kitchen thats being hidden so the drug companies can sell chemicals

Are you referring to alternative medicine? Irresponsible doctors have misused their authority status to recommend dietary supplements in the place of medicine *COUGH* Dr. Oz *COUGH*, but there is no evidence to support their effectiveness or safety. In some cases, they can actually cause your body harm. It's the modern day snake oil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29v6rNFjlLI

For mental diseases in particular, I really don't see any pill ever curing them. The brain is a very complex organ. You can supply it with chemicals when the brain isn't producing enough on its own, or you can send MAOIs to inhibit a chemical that is overactive in the brain. But you cannot repair brain structures. Without making physical changes to the brain, you cannot cure depression. Furthermore, the brain uses very few neurotransmitters to communicate, which means any one neurotransmitter has a wide range of roles to play in the brain. Changing the chemical balance of these neurotransmitters for the sake of treating depression can have a number of undesirable side-effects because of that, depending on the drug type.

TL;DR: The brain is complicated. It's impossible to fix it with just any pill. No hidden cure exists.

[Baruch]

I am having dental work tomorrow.  At 3:15 PM.  Believe it or not, I still have a wisdom tooth to be extracted.  I was planning on dying with my wisdom teeth, but it ain't gonna happen.

Yeah ... with the last wisdom tooth gone, you will have to go back to Church ;-)

[Baruch]

My father suffered from depression.  I know he was my father and all and deserved some slack, but my god, he could be a pain in the ass.  I've talked to a couple of other people who suffer from depression who seemed to have a pretty good understanding about how it can affect other people, and they said they have to make a concentrated effort at not pulling others down.  I kind of understood that in spite of their best efforts, they weren't always successful.  But I give them credit for understanding that aspect of their depression.

And sometimes life isn't a bowl of Lucky Charms.  But yes, some people ... depressed? ... seem to suck the life out of the room.  I had to tell my ex, early on ... if you don't have anything good to say about your work life, then share it with someone else.  If it is about our marriage, I am all ears.  I didn't go home every day and spend the whole evening saying to her why my work day was terrible.  But if it was, then it was difficult to shake it off, on the way home while driving on the freeway.

[Baruch]

do the drs really give out cures for depression? dont they make more money off you by purposely not curing you? The first cure for cancer was found in 1921, and a few more have been found since then. The drug companies cant get a patent or copyright for natural substances so they try to keep them hidden. If they didn't they wouldn't get to cash in on their manufactured substances. For all we know there may be a cure for depression in your kitchen thats being hidden so the drug companies can sell chemicals

You crossed a line.  Please accept my ... observations.  It isn't true that there are cures for anything.  They don't exist.  They aren't being hid.  While it is true that for-profit medicine is corrupt ... if there were cures, then medicine would be marketing it like mad, and making unlimited money.  There are palliatives, some which work on the cause, some which only work on the symptoms.  Back in the day, they only worked on symptoms, and some like pain medicine, still do that.  And some products are just ... nostrums ... placebos.  Most of those don't require a prescription, if they are harmless.  Nostrums that can cause harm (and it all depends on the individual, like peanut reaction) do require a prescription.  Read any page in the annual Pill Book.  Any medicine you take can make you sick or even kill you in some cases.  Doctors are knowledgable but fallible gate keepers for the FDA and the legitimate drug industry.  That is why they need a DEA license to prescribe.  Don't self medicate, unless you have to.  But the notion that only medical doctors, and not osteopaths or counseling services can help ... is narrow minded.  Counseling of any type, is psychosomatic ... but that isn't something that is "just in your head".

[widdershins]

I'm only 35 and feel much of the time as if I am very near my death bed. I will keep on though, until I can no longer extract enough oxygen from the air to stay concious. Minus the whole illogical or irrational thing.

I do understand how and why you could and would find me irrational, but I really am not. You are entitled to your opinion though.

peace

To be fair, how would you know?  I doubt many people are intentionally irrational.  It's not like anyone here thinks you woke up one day and said, "You know what?  This way of thinking is completely stupid, but I'm going to think that way anyway."

[SGOS]

The rules of reason operate independently from a person's opinion of himself.

[Baruch]

The rules of reason operate independently from a person's opinion of himself.

The rules of axioms, which fead the rules of reason, are directly tied to the ego.  Reason only makes you consistent, and sometimes that means being consistently wrong.

[fencerider]

i will leave it at that. I was supposed to get a dvd from a pledge drive that explains these cures for cancer, but it didnt arrive yet.

Let's not forget how corrupt the pharmacies are. They have determined that the occassional wrongful death lawsuit costs them less than the profits they loose by pulling proven lethal medicines from the shelves.

Did the OP ever give a reason to believe in the existence of god?

[Baruch]

i will leave it at that. I was supposed to get a dvd from a pledge drive that explains these cures for cancer, but it didnt arrive yet.

Let's not forget how corrupt the pharmacies are. They have determined that the occassional wrongful death lawsuit costs them less than the profits they loose by pulling proven lethal medicines from the shelves.

Did the OP ever give a reason to believe in the existence of god?

The drug industry is indemnified against occasional bad reaction (see aspirin) ... same as the nuclear power companies ... by the Federal government.