Impeach Trump????

[Unbeliever]

Don't worry, when the US is a one party state … as all Ds or Rs want … the Senate will have to follow the orders of the House (and Emperor Xi).

What if Trump declared the Democratic party to be a terrorist organization, and outlawed them? What if he started rounding up Democratic office-holders and putting them in prison?

Wouldn't that be fun?

[Unbeliever]

Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.

I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?

Because if the House doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.

[Baruch]

Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.

With all due respect, I don't think the limit on multiple indictment applies in this cross-jurisdiction case.  He couldn't be charged in criminal court, for the same crime, twice.  The Senate isn't a criminal court.  And civil courts have their own rules.  Often a failure in criminal court results in a damage claim for the same, in civil court.

[Baruch]

What if Trump declared the Democratic party to be a terrorist organization, and outlawed them? What if he started rounding up Democratic office-holders and putting them in prison?

Wouldn't that be fun?

They are.  Shouldn't have been relegalized in 1865 by that Southern bastard, President Andrew Johnson.

If there is a dictatorship, then you have a point.  If it is military, both D and R will go to the gallows.  I see no reason to keep D or R in prison very long.  Depends on how many they can hang per day.

[Baruch]

I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?

Because if the House doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.

If they don't impeach, until after he wins in 2020 …. then y'all need to admit you are bottoms, not tops.

[trdsf]

OK. Let's say that Nixon's threat of impeachment had many causes and that under-handed actions in Chile were a small part of it.  It was long past time that we stopped meddling in SA affairs.  Manifest Destiny is rather idiotic on the face of it, but worse in existing nations by even European rules.  Kissinger was a Cheney or maybe a Bolton but with some theory.  Haig would have been thrilled with Trump.

Read this and laugh (unless you cry)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUKW0fL-OqY

Ugh, I remember that.  The idea of Al Haig being in charge in the White House was even worse than the idea of an assassination attempt.

The other particular memory I have of that day is the live coverage, whichever news we were watching was talking to an eyewitness, who was describing something other than what the already-official story was â€" I don't even remember anymore what his version was, but it wasn't the same as everyone else's.

All of a sudden a guy in a dark suit, sunglasses, and a wire coming out of his ear came up, took the guy by the arm, and hustled him off.  It was the sort of thing that almost makes you want to take conspiracy theories seriously.

[Baruch]

Discredit democracy … get Al Haig.

[josephpalazzo]

I've heard that. It's like Trump's trying to play the Democratic party like a Stradivarius, and the Dems are well tuned. Will they play at spelunking again and cave to his demands?

Because if the House doesn't impeach him, he can claim it's because he's been fully exonerated. And the courts are being stacked in his favor, so he can be confident he'll never see a day in prison.

The House can bring the charges but it's the Senate that has the authority to impeach. So even if Pelosi decides to go along with the charges, which I don't think she will, once the Senate takes over, it's no longer into the Dems hands. So from the POV of strategy, the Dems are fools if they proceed along a course that will yield no results on the legal front, and questionable on the political front. Their best bet is to beat Trump in the election. And they need a nominee who is not tied up with the far left socialists. Policies have to take a backseat ride in the coming election, and the focus should be on winning the election. Are the Dems smart enough to do that? Hmmm...

[Baruch]

Joe, you missed earlier posts.  I long for the era of Roman Republicans ... that is the way to go.  Until all the politicians are ... dead at Philippi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0UYvn7J_jY

Et tu, Brute?

You may yet get God-Emperor Augustus.

[Cavebear]

Here's why Trump won't be impeached: if the Senate exonerates Trump then once out of office citizen Trump cannot be charged again. Trump knows that, and why he is goading the Dems to impeach him. The only problem for Trump is that Pelosi also knows that, and why she won't impeach him.

No.  A congressional impeachment action is NOT a jurisdictional legal process.  Civil actions can occur later whether or not there is an impeachment and success or failure of the Senate to convict.  There are statutory limits to bringing legal cases though.  If Trump wins a 2nd term, it means he escapes most crimes he could be convicted of before 2016.

[josephpalazzo]

No.  A congressional impeachment action is NOT a jurisdictional legal process.  Civil actions can occur later whether or not there is an impeachment and success or failure of the Senate to convict.  There are statutory limits to bringing legal cases though.  If Trump wins a 2nd term, it means he escapes most crimes he could be convicted of before 2016.

I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the senate exonerates him of whatever charges the House has tabled against him, he is free of those charges. Of course any other charges not part of the impeachment proceedings can still be levied against him. It would be weird if the senate says he's not guilty of charges A,B,C and then a jurisdictional court finds him guilty on the same charges!?!

[Baruch]

I'm not a lawyer so I could be wrong but my understanding is that if the senate exonerates him of whatever charges the House has tabled against him, he is free of those charges. Of course any other charges not part of the impeachment proceedings can still be levied against him. It would be weird if the senate says he's not guilty of charges A,B,C and then a jurisdictional court finds him guilty on the same charges!?!

American jurisprudence is a patchwork on levels and geographic jurisdictions.  Most complex mess on the planet.  In Code Napoleon, this is one law, applies to all of France, because Napoleon said so.  Code Napoleon still applies, partly, in the state of Louisiana

[Baruch]

"Steele Cuts Deal; Will Discuss Trump Sex Dossier With DOJ Inspector General" ... When did you meet with Hillary Clinton or her representatives?  Did you get all your info from corrupt Ukrainian spies (former KGB) who were under pressure from Joe Biden?  When did PM Cameron and PM May know of this attempt to coup Mr Trump?  Did they start it?  Where the Skrypals involved?

[Unbeliever]

When Trump tries to make "America first" he may end up making America last:

Mark 10:31
"But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

America may end up the last country in the world that anyone wants to do business with, or make any treaties with. If that happens, will America last?

[Baruch]

When Trump tries to make "America first" he may end up making America last:

Mark 10:31
"But many that are first shall be last; and the last first."

America may end up the last country in the world that anyone wants to do business with, or make any treaties with. If that happens, will America last?

Anti-Americans want what they want.  The Left is always suicidal.