Started by CrucifyCindy, August 24, 2015, 02:55:13 PM
QuoteWhen people see things as beautiful, ugliness is created. When people see things as good, evil is created. Being and non-being produce each other. Difficult and easy complement each other. Long and short define each other. High and low oppose each other. Fore and aft follow each other.
QuoteAjata-vada theory may also be called the theory of non-origination. According to ajata-vada, the perceptual world in which we exist was never created. This theory completely rejects all causality.It does not accept that there is any cause or source of this perceptual world.This means that in reality nothing is born and nothing dies. There is no birth, no death, no growth, and no decay - in short, no change whatsoever. There is neither bondage nor liberation. Nothing exist except brahman(only a god to the ignorant, actually a word for infinity) the one and only reality.Due to ignorance (ajnana) about brahman the world appears to exist in the minds of the ignorant.When one experiences the self as one with brahmam, the illusion of the world is annihilated. What remains is brahman- the reality- a state of eternity.
QuoteKathopanishad "Whatever there is such as the whole universe comes out of brahman(infinity) and keeps on vibrating" In other words, the cause of this universe is brahman(infinity). All objects, living or non-living, are vibrating, but obviously not at the same frequency. Had they been vibrating at the same freequency they would all be the same object. Had they not vibrated at all they would be no difference from brahman(infinity)
QuoteThe sun was shining on the sea,Shining with all his might:He did his very best to makeThe billows smooth and bright--And this was odd, because it wasThe middle of the night.The moon was shining sulkily,Because she thought the sunHad got no business to be thereAfter the day was done--"It's very rude of him," she said,"To come and spoil the fun!"
QuoteThe sea was wet as wet could be,The sands were dry as dry.You could not see a cloud, becauseNo cloud was in the sky:No birds were flying overhead--There were no birds to fly.The Walrus and the CarpenterWere walking close at hand;They wept like anything to seeSuch quantities of sand:"If this were only cleared away,"They said, "it would be grand!""If seven maids with seven mopsSwept it for half a year.Do you suppose," the Walrus said,"That they could get it clear?""I doubt it," said the Carpenter,And shed a bitter tear."O Oysters, come and walk with us!"The Walrus did beseech."A pleasant walk, a pleasant talk,Along the briny beach:We cannot do with more than four,To give a hand to each."The eldest Oyster looked at him,But never a word he said:The eldest Oyster winked his eye,And shook his heavy head--Meaning to say he did not chooseTo leave the oyster-bed.But four young Oysters hurried up,All eager for the treat:Their coats were brushed, their faces washed,Their shoes were clean and neat--And this was odd, because, you know,They hadn't any feet.Four other Oysters followed them,And yet another four;And thick and fast they came at last,And more, and more, and more--All hopping through the frothy waves,And scrambling to the shore.
QuoteThe Walrus and the CarpenterWalked on a mile or so,And then they rested on a rockConveniently low:And all the little Oysters stoodAnd waited in a row."The time has come," the Walrus said,"To talk of many things:Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--Of cabbages--and kings--And why the sea is boiling hot--And whether pigs have wings.""But wait a bit," the Oysters cried,"Before we have our chat;For some of us are out of breath,And all of us are fat!""No hurry!" said the Carpenter.They thanked him much for that."A loaf of bread," the Walrus said,"Is what we chiefly need:Pepper and vinegar besidesAre very good indeed--Now if you're ready, Oysters dear,We can begin to feed.""But not on us!" the Oysters cried,Turning a little blue."After such kindness, that would beA dismal thing to do!""The night is fine," the Walrus said."Do you admire the view?"It was so kind of you to come!And you are very nice!"The Carpenter said nothing but"Cut us another slice:I wish you were not quite so deaf--I've had to ask you twice!""It seems a shame," the Walrus said,"To play them such a trick,After we've brought them out so far,And made them trot so quick!"The Carpenter said nothing but"The butter's spread too thick!""I weep for you," the Walrus said:"I deeply sympathize."With sobs and tears he sorted outThose of the largest size,Holding his pocket-handkerchiefBefore his streaming eyes."O Oysters," said the Carpenter,"You've had a pleasant run!Shall we be trotting home again?'But answer came there none--And this was scarcely odd, becauseThey'd eaten every one.
Quote from: aitm on August 24, 2015, 09:37:33 PMIf you can't give a good answer in one paragraph, I don't even bother with the 70 that follows. Do you really think we read that shit?
QuoteDo you really think we read that shit?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on August 24, 2015, 02:55:13 PMIn fact I see some Eastern philosophies as just a rationalization of conservatism, a way to rationalize racism and elitism, dressing it up as some higher form of spirituality.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on August 24, 2015, 02:55:13 PMI have notice among some atheists the Eastern and New Age philosophy is not subject to the same criticism or skepticism as our more Western religions and spiritual philosophies. Some seem to think that just because it comes from the East that it must be better when it is just as filled with the same woo as what we have in the West. In fact I see some Eastern philosophies as just a rationalization of conservatism, a way to rationalize racism and elitism, dressing it up as some higher form of spirituality. Take the caste system as an example. I have read arguments that such a system is necessary because this is the way the universe or "karma" works, it is needful to treat other unequally because that is their karma but all I see is a rationalization of traditional injustice and prejudice. So I want to ask you atheist who keep defending Eastern thought over Western thought why don't you aim the same scrutiny over Eastern thought, why the kid gloves?