Started by Absurd Atheist, April 22, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 14, 2017, 05:24:32 PMReally. Darwin said that did he. When and where?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 14, 2017, 05:14:52 PMReally??? Wow! Didn't know that!...............What is this 'spirit' you are talking about?? Seems to me it is simply another theist fiction so that you/they can believe whatever they want.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 14, 2017, 05:32:04 PMOf course 'nature' does not limit the crime(s) I can commit. So what? I don't know of any govt run by 'nature'. All laws and rules of conduct are created by various societies and govts. Not 'nature'. I have not committed a crime against you because committing crimes is not something I do--not intentionally. I don't think most people would become blood thirsty criminals if there were no official laws or rules to live by. And I am not a darwinian. I do think he discovered ideas that became the Darwin theory of evolution. Being Darwinian , or supporting Darwinsim is simply political in nature, not scientific.
Quote from: Baruch on May 14, 2017, 09:58:20 PMDid he ever denounce the British Empire? Of course, robbing, raping and killing is OK, if you are English ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on May 14, 2017, 10:00:58 PMIs a poet not inspired? Or is he just doing another Pythagorean calculation? In-spirit = inspired. Methinks you are another Plato, who like Mikey, hates everything.
Quote from: Baruch on May 14, 2017, 10:02:32 PMIn nature, there are no crimes. It is natural for the criminal to commit crimes. Per nature, there is no reason to prohibit the natural exercise of his nature (as a jackal imitator). Would you arrest a lion for eating a zebra?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 14, 2017, 10:39:50 PMI don't know if he denounced the British Empire or not. Don't care if he did or did not. It has nothing to do with his theory.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 14, 2017, 10:47:02 PMSince, as you put it, there are no crimes in nature. So, it is not 'natural' for criminals to commit crimes. Crimes are a human invention. So, all criminals are such because they have been labeled by a certain society. As you are very well aware, every society has different laws and rules, so each has their own crimes. A crime in one society does not make it a crime in another. So, the term 'criminal' is situational. And that situation is never found in 'nature'.
Quote from: Baruch on May 15, 2017, 06:59:40 AMKilling 6 million Jews had nothing to do with Lebensraum either ;-(
Quote from: Baruch on May 15, 2017, 07:01:04 AMYou would make a good German in Merkel's Germany. Just not resist when the immigrants rob or rape you. You would be interfering with the rights of refugees.For some naturalists, humans are a part of nature ... for others humans aren't part of nature. I see you as the second, since you oppose all human invention (like crime legislation).
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 15, 2017, 10:03:13 AMAt times, Baruch, you do like to insert yourself into the things I write. When did I ever say humans are not a part of nature? Everything is a part of nature, including humans. Nothing is outside of nature. That is where we part company since you are a theist. Did I ever say I was against crime legislation? Defining what a crime is is a necessary function of every society.
Quote from: Baruch on May 15, 2017, 12:58:53 PMIt is an A vs B question ... and you have answered B. So we can screw in public, shamelessly, like the animals we are. You are not opposed to anything, because everything is natural. So why all the hate against Southerners ... are you a bigot? Society is natural? So Nazi Germany is natural? And you approve of all natural things?
Quote from: Baruch on May 15, 2017, 06:38:30 PMOK ... so how can you oppose something that is natural ... except by bigotry? I can see opposing something because it is somehow ... unnatural. But for the moment, we both agree that everything is natural. For me "natural" means something different for you, but we do agree superficially. Are you saying that you oppose something because it is irrational? And if everything is natural, then isn't irrationality just as natural as rationality? How can you oppose the irrational, except by bias (not the same as bigotry). Isn't bias, or bigotry, just other ways of saying ... I have a bigger stick than you?
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 15, 2017, 07:13:36 PMYou are saying that natural is the same as good. As I said--cow shit is natural, does not mean I want to eat it or that it is good for you. You said ".......we both agree that everything is natural. " If everything is natural, how can anything be unnatural??? I oppose all that I think is not good--accept all that I think is good. Of course, 'good' is in the eye of the beholder. Bias is simply your point of view. We are all biased. We almost have to be. But if one makes an effort one can figure out what their bias is. When studying a historian or history, one of the first things that has to be taken into account. Bigotry is about the same. No, neither bias or bigotry does not equate to 'I have a bigger stick than you.'