UK votes to Leave EU

[Baruch]

Shadow Cabinet. That's the other lot, the Labour Party, that aren't in power.

Apparently the referendum isn't legally binding, as it is just a big opinion poll with no legal standing. But try telling that to those that just voted out.

A couple of Queen's Council have noted that MPs would have to vote on the decision to make it legal, as democracy (apparently) doesn't happen as a result of ordinary people voting.  Sound familiar?

Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty still hasn't been triggered yet, so the Brexit is still stuck on the Launchpad and looks likely to be there for some time.  Boris says the UK still have access to the European single market, whereas the Germans and French are like..."ROFLMAO"...

Meanwhile the £350million per day that was promised by the Leave campaign to put into the NHS has just been called 'a mistake' by the same people, and one of the MEPs has just said the cut in EU immigration isn't going to happen either. So two of the main promises by the Leave campaign have been rescinded, so it appears.. but the Brexiteers are still too busy crowing to realise that they've been sold a turd.

Well there ya go.... this shit is likely to lurch it's arthritic way through the next few months and years with nobody knowing quite what the fuck is going to happen....

We live in interesting times.....

Even Igor, in Young Frankenstein, couldn't remember which shoulder had the hump.  It seems party politics in Britain is a little too close to British comedy for comfort.  Really, it is just Labor (as in Hillary) trying to dump Corbin (as in Bernie).  They are using anything as an excuse, even though Labor supported "remain" and so do the shadow cabinet members who are mutinying.  The DNC would do the same thing, sabotage Bernie, if he had gotten the nomination.  Instead it is the RNC trying to do it to Trump.

Also Labor has to self destruct, with convenient timing, to assist your next PM, Boris Johnson.

[Baruch]

It's not like politicians in the US don't call a redo every time they don't get their way <*cough*Republicans!*cough*>.  How many votes have there been to repeal all or part of the Affordable Care Act now?  And now Republicans have JUST released their replacement for it...well, it's more of an "underwear gnome" type outline, really.  Step one, repeal Obamacare.  Step two....do...some good stuff...to replace it...  Step 3, profit!

Yes, the Rs were deficient in repealing the R health plan (they fooled everyone everytime), that was implemented by a Trojan Horse Congress/President.  Beware Ds bearing gifts.  These are the same folks who brought you Vietnam, but you may have forgotten that.  If the Rs weren't all former S Ds, I would have hope for them.

If the Rs were serious, and still failed that number of times, they can commit seppuku now.

[Baruch]

Best out of three?  Seems kinda unfair to the victors if the losers just reroll till it goes their way.

Brussels works for the CIA.  The CIA never loses in the end, you do.

[drunkenshoe]

It's about British xenophobia.
Look, you've got a one-track mind w/the migrants. The one and only reason that there is a crisis is that the migrants can rest assured that the Europeans will not shoot them. Notice that no waves of migrants showed up to knock on Russia's door. Putin would have shot them. The migrant crisis is the fault of the EU for not shooting them. Instead, Angela Merkel is rolling out a red carpet. Well, deal w/it then. But speak only for your country. And get away w/it only so long as your people are willing to leave you in as chancellor. The Austrians didn't want any migrants. The Italians didn't want any. The Hungarians didn't want any. Who does Merkel think she is? "Wir mussen" she said, "We must."  Nein! Das ist nicht wahr!

No, I don't have a one-track mind with immigrants. I have a one track mind with bullshit politics campaign that finally put a country in jeopardy. It's only going to get worse.

Besides, we are not talking about Austrians. I was talking about you being glad for UK. Trying to support an obvioulsy fucked up decision people made WITHOUT even getting its consequences or understanding what it is.

I am sick of this 'you think this way because of the country you live' in bullshit. The people in the country I live in have EXACTLY the same mind frame with people in EU against immigrants. Racism is not unique to EU.

You are so cut out from reality and cannot see behind your nose, you cannnot register that what I am riting here is MY PERSONAL OPINION on every subject. And pretty much different than the majority roughly in most issues. And I wrote that several times already. Exactly like in your country -an every other- there are people who don't agree with the majority in where I live. Do you have the basic intelligence to get that? 

[drunkenshoe]

Hang in there guys. Racist violence is only going to get worse, watch out what you say where in public in ear shot when tensions are high. I know it sounds ridiculous when put like this, but yeah it is that likley anywhere in a situation like this.

Watch out for riots. Hopefully, not may be big scale social explosions, but little ones incited in public places by anything random etc. football matches, concerts...public events, pubs, bars...where people watch sports-news and get wasted.

Esp. after the leave has moved in, in a couple of years, when the economical impact is openly started to be felt, potentially life could change for the worse.

[marom1963]

No, I don't have a one-track mind with immigrants. I have a one track mind with bullshit politics campaign that finally put a country in jeopardy. It's only going to get worse.

Besides, we are not talking about Austrians. I was talking about you being glad for UK. Trying to support an obvioulsy fucked up decision people made WITHOUT even getting its consequences or understanding what it is.

I am sick of this 'you think this way because of the country you live' in bullshit. The people in the country I live in have EXACTLY the same mind frame with people in EU against immigrants. Racism is not unique to EU.

You are so cut out from reality and cannot see behind your nose, you cannnot register that what I am riting here is MY PERSONAL OPINION on every subject. And pretty much different than the majority roughly in most issues. And I wrote that several times already. Exactly like in your country -an every other- there are people who don't agree with the majority in where I live. Do you have the basic intelligence to get that?

I have never said that your opinion was not your own. I've never equated your opinion w/that of your homeland. I don't even know where your homeland is!
Someone in the US could have written all that you have written!
If the UK is happy w/its decision, then, yes, I am happy for the UK. I am always happy when people get what they want, if what they want does not constitute an impingement upon others. The UK w/drawing from the EU does not constitute an impingement upon the EU, even if it does hurt feelings.

[drunkenshoe]

I have never said that your opinion was not your own. I've never equated your opinion w/that of your homeland. I don't even know where your homeland is!
Someone in the US could have written all that you have written!
If the UK is happy w/its decision, then, yes, I am happy for the UK. I am always happy when people get what they want, if what they want does not constitute an impingement upon others. The UK w/drawing from the EU does not constitute an impingement upon the EU, even if it does hurt feelings.

Oh yes, sorry you said something more idiotic like "But speak only for your country" as if this is something that won't have on impact where I live in various levels or as a whole in the EU and by extension the world. But then I will speak about whatever I like, I really don't care if it doesn't serve your mental masturbation and inability of seeing what a fucked up situation is this and how it happened, its potantially catastrophic consequences for UK and its people and many others.

You are ignorant as hell, racist as fuck and full of shit. Your take on one of the biggest humanity crisis modern world has seen is "These people went to Europe, because they know they wouldn't get shot dead". World has arrived to this point because of the policies produced by this mentality, because people like you are in charge.   

[marom1963]

Oh yes, sorry you said something more idiotic like "But speak only for your country" as if this is something that won't have on impact where I live in various levels or as a whole in the EU and by extension the world. But then I will speak about whatever I like, I really don't care if it doesn't serve your mental masturbation and inability of seeing what a fucked up situation is this and how it happened, its potantially catastrophic consequences for UK and its people and many others.

You are ignorant as hell, racist as fuck and full of shit. Your take on one of the biggest humanity crisis modern world has seen is "These people went to Europe, because they know they wouldn't get shot dead". World has arrived to this point because of the policies produced by this mentality, because people like you are in charge.

No. They went to Europe because they were desperate. I was not discussing their side of the equation. I was discussing the European side of the equation. But even desperate is mitigated by certain death. Again - no one has knocked on Mr Putin's door. He showed clearly what Russia will do should unpleasant things happen to Russia when he leveled Syria in the wake of the airliner coming down.
Had I been in charge, none of this would have happened. Nobody would have been desperate enough anywhere to need migration. I'm not a cruel man. Call me a racist all you like. I would have had the same reaction to millions of uninvited Russians pouring into Europe. Fact is, if I were a racist, I'd be in favor of building a wall between the US and Mexico - I am not. I do not see Mexicans as a threat to the United States.

[drunkenshoe]

For people who thinks latest racist attacks are about muslim immigrants, because they cannot assimilate to European culture OR that this is about the recent muslim refugee crisis. I wrote about the old attitude against Polish immigrants UK, because I have heard it and saw written in many times about from people myself before it was replaced with an other group. Let's hope it will stay at graffiti levels. But it is not about muslim refugee because they cannot assimilate. It's about everyone from Asians to Polish people who doesn't look 'British' enough.

But seriously, could these people be this stupid to think that after voting for Brexit, the 'forigners' will get out or even that the country won't take any immigrants? It's a good demonstration of how much people knew about what they have vote for AND what was the Brexit campaign all about.

These are motivated acts.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

Racist incidents feared to be linked to Brexit result

Suspected racist graffiti at Polish cultural centre in London among incidents thought to be fuelled by vote to leave the EU

People have been reporting incidents of racism believed to be fuelled by the result of the EU referendum, including alleged racist graffiti and cards reading “no more Polish vermin” posted through letterboxes.

Suspected racist graffiti was found on the front entrance of the Polish Social and Cultural Association (POSK) in Hammersmith, west London, early on Sunday morning.

The Metropolitan police confirmed they had been called to the cultural centre on Sunday morning and were pursuing inquiries related to “allegedly racially motivated criminal damage”.

Neither POSK nor the police would confirm the content of the message, which has since been washed off.

The Polish ambassador to Britain urged politicians to condemn what had happened. Witold Sobków’s intervention came after a number of incidents involving graffiti targeting Polish nationals in the UK. Sobków, who said the issue would be discussed in talks on Monday, tweeted:

The incident comes as Cambridgeshire police are investigating reports of racist laminated cards being distributed in Huntingdon on Friday in the hours after the leave result was announced.

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According to reports from the Cambridge News, a number of cards saying “Leave the EU/No more Polish vermin” in both English and Polish were found outside St Peter’s school by teaching assistants and students, including an 11-year-old Polish child, who reported they made him feel “really sad”.

Cards bearing the same message were posted around a number of properties, police confirmed.

Sayeeda Warsi, the former chair of the Conservative party, has warned that since the referendum result was announced people were being stopped in the street and told to leave the country.

“I’ve spent most of the weekend talking to organisations, individuals and activists who work in the area of race hate crime, who monitor hate crime, and they have shown some really disturbing early results from people being stopped in the street and saying look, we voted Leave, it’s time for you to leave,” Lady Warsi told Sky News.

“And they are saying this to individuals and families who have been here for three, four, five generations. The atmosphere on the street is not good.”

Warsi originally backed the leave campaign, but switched to support remain, calling the Leave campaign “divisive and xenophobic”.

Labour MP Jess Phillips announced on Twitter that she would be putting in a parliamentary question to find out the numbers of reported instances of racial hatred in the UK in the weekend following the Brexit vote, compared with last week.

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In Gloucester, Max Fras said he was in a Tesco supermarket on Friday night with his young son when a white man became agitated in the queue for the checkout and began yelling: “This is England now, foreigners have 48 hours to fuck right off. Who is foreign here? Anyone foreign?”

Fras said the man began quizzing people in the queue about where they were from. “He pointed at another gentleman in front of him and said: ‘Where are you from, are you Spanish? Are you Italian? Are you Romanian?’ And he said ‘No, I’m English’,” said Fras.

Fras, a Polish consultant in European educational projects who lives in London, said he was concerned about what incidents like this might mean for those like him who have moved from the EU to Britain.

Other reports of racist incidents believed to be fuelled by the Brexit result, were posted on social media, including one from Heaven Crawley, a research professor at Coventry University, about an incident allegedly witnessed by her daughter in Birmingham.

“This evening my daughter left work in Birmingham and saw [a] group of lads corner a Muslim girl shouting ‘Get out, we voted leave’,” she posted on Twitter.


Welsh businesswoman and remain campaigner Shazia Awan was told by Warren Faulkner to pack her bags and go home after she expressed disappointment in the leave result. Awan, who was born in the UK, tweeted a reply that in her view the “campaign was vile and racist” and had “ruined [the] country forever”.

Earlier that day, Faulkner had celebrated the referendum result as a “major victory for the right wing, adding: “Oi Muslims pack your bags”.

Many of the reports of incidents seem to show the mistaken belief that EU citizens living in the UK will be forced to leave the country as a result of the referendum result, with instances reported of a Polish woman being told to get off a bus and “get packing”, of a Polish man being told at an airport that he “shouldn’t still be here, that we had voted to be rid of people like him”, of a Polish coffee shop worker being jeered at and told “you’re going home now” and of Polish children at a primary school crying because they were scared of getting deported from Britain.

Channel 4 journalist Ciaran Jenkins said that while reporting from Barnsley on Friday in the hours after the referendum results were announced, he overheard three different people shout “send them home” in five minutes.

A man wrote on Twitter that he had experienced two “racialised altercations” in the 10 hours after the referendum result, which he believed were connected to it. One alleged incident involved men chanting “Out, out, out” at Muslim women and in another he said a man at King’s Cross station “yells ‘Brexit’ in my south Asian friend’s face”.


This article was amended on 27 June 2016. Earlier versions said Sayeeda Warsi warned that since the referendum result was announced immigrants were being stopped and told to leave the country. She was referring to people born in the UK who were descendants of immigrants, not immigrants themselves.

Brexit: Wave of hate crime and racial abuse reported following EU referendum

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-wales

[Baruch]

I have never said that your opinion was not your own. I've never equated your opinion w/that of your homeland. I don't even know where your homeland is!
Someone in the US could have written all that you have written!
If the UK is happy w/its decision, then, yes, I am happy for the UK. I am always happy when people get what they want, if what they want does not constitute an impingement upon others. The UK w/drawing from the EU does not constitute an impingement upon the EU, even if it does hurt feelings.

It impinges on German plans for global conquest.  Brexit has cost a lot of wealthy people, a lot of temporary losses in the markets.  So "non-harm" isn't a good criteria.  Some people deserved to be harmed.  Change in status quo always causes harm ... just different harm than the status quo is accomplishing.

[drunkenshoe]

No. They went to Europe because they were desperate. I was not discussing their side of the equation. I was discussing the European side of the equation. But even desperate is mitigated by certain death. Again - no one has knocked on Mr Putin's door. He showed clearly what Russia will do should unpleasant things happen to Russia when he leveled Syria in the wake of the airliner coming down.
Had I been in charge, none of this would have happened. Nobody would have been desperate enough anywhere to need migration. I'm not a cruel man. Call me a racist all you like. I would have had the same reaction to millions of uninvited Russians pouring into Europe. Fact is, if I were a racist, I'd be in favor of building a wall between the US and Mexico - I am not. I do not see Mexicans as a threat to the United States.

Marom, to be frank with you...I don't respect your opinion after the poision you vomitted, nor your half wit rhetoric of "but Putin Putin..." nor do I care what kind of a person you are. I can only see what you write here which is a good telling about how people think if they post constantly. Sooner or later they are 'out' as it were, regardless of their self image. And what you wrote here is in sync with other things you wrote about the subject from the beginning, supposedly from your brother-in-law's mouth as a 'messenger'.

Anyway, end of conversation. I don't have anything to say to you about this.

[marom1963]

It impinges on German plans for global conquest.  Brexit has cost a lot of wealthy people, a lot of temporary losses in the markets.  So "non-harm" isn't a good criteria.  Some people deserved to be harmed.  Change in status quo always causes harm ... just different harm than the status quo is accomplishing.

I'm not against the rich being harmed. They make their money mostly by harming the poor. Fuck em. The poor are in constant pain due to lack of money, so they'll not feel it the way that the rich will. Good.

[marom1963]

Marom, to be frank with you...I don't respect your opinion after the poision you vomitted, nor your half wit rhetoric of "but Putin Putin..." nor do I care what kind of a person you are. I can only see what you write here which is a good telling about how people think if they post constantly. Sooner or later they are 'out' as it were, regardless of their self image. And what you wrote here is in sync with other things you wrote about the subject from the beginning, supposedly from your brother-in-law's mouth as a 'messenger'.

Anyway, end of conversation. I don't have anything to say to you about this.

[drunkenshoe]

Racism After Brexit: Teenagers Hurl Abuse At American On Manchester Tram

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The man replies: “How old are you? What are you, 18? 19? I’ve been here longer than you have.”

He is instantly threatened: “Don’t chat shit or get deported.”

As the encounter becomes visibly more heated, frightened commuters are seen looking stricken as the teens advance on the man, flicking beer at him and ordering him to get off the tram.

Mentioning he has served in the military for seven years, the man admonishes them: “You are extremely ignorant and not very intelligent.”

As he moves forward towards the teens he is pulled away by concerned commuters, who shout after the boys: “Disgusting, disgusting, you are an absolute disgrace to England!”

The group can be heard yelling: “Salford! Fucking immigrant!”

The encounter, which is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police, saw some commuters weep in fear and shock.

One passenger, who asked to remain anonymous, told the Manchester Evening News: “It was really horrible. When I was walking back to my work I was crying all the way. I couldn’t control myself.

“I was feeling sad, I now feel scared coming to work. They were three boys, they weren’t very old.

“I am scared of travelling on my own, I feel scared for my children that it is not safe, I will not take them on the tram.”

Chief Inspector Gareth Parkin, of Greater Manchester Police, said: “We are aware of a video of a hate incident that has surfaced online this morning.

“This is a disgusting display of abuse which quite frankly has no place in society.

“All hate incidents are treated with the utmost severity and this behaviour will not be tolerated in Greater Manchester.


“I’m strongly urging anyone who recognises the men in the video to come forward and help us with our investigation.

“The incident happened at around 7.40am this morning, Tuesday 28 June, on a tram travelling towards the city centre.”

Greater Manchester’s Mayor and Police and Crime Commissioner Tony Lloyd said: “People across Greater Manchester will condemn racist attacks which have been reported in different parts of the country in the wake of the EU Referendum result.

“While Greater Manchester Police have said they have not seen an increase in reports of hate crime over the weekend, we are now starting to hear stories of people being abused because of their race, religion or nationality.

“There is no room in Greater Manchester for hatred and division. We have worked hard, together, to build strong, cohesive, and welcoming communities. I encourage anyone who has been a victim of hate crime to come forward and report it.

“Hate crime has no place in our society. The overwhelming majority of British people stand together against hatred and prejudice. These acts of racism are not in our name and will not be tolerated.”

While such encounters are sadly not an anomaly in Britain, there is a poignancy to the incident occurring less than a week after the UK voted to leave the European Union and during a time when racist incidents have soared.

A detailed list compiled by Tell MAMA, a group that measures anti-Muslim attacks, details the abuse people have received since the Brexit result on Friday.

It comes as the National Police Chiefs’ Council reveals that hate crimes reported to the police has risen 57% between Thursday and Sunday compared to the corresponding days four weeks ago.

Faith Matters, an interfaith group that works on countering extremism projects, released the hate crime figures that were reported through Tell MAMA.

Fiyaz Mughal, founder and director of Faith Matters, said that, since Friday’s results, incidents of racist abuse have been reported predominantly from visible Muslim women who have had comments such as “we voted you out, why are you still here” directed at them.

Mughal said: “The Brexit vote seems to have legitimised the prejudice of some people to the point where they are verbalising and targeting people at a street level who are visibly different.

“This is England 2016 and this is totally unacceptable.”

These 'incidents' are filing in one by one. I think people started to get scared. And it is mostly about skin colour.

Overall there is the statistics of 57% flying around all over the net. Just several days. I wonder how many is held back. If this happened in another country in Europe, everybody would be outraged.

[drunkenshoe]

My aunt witnessed something of the sort, a woman she has been working with for over 5 years and didn't live a slightly negative thing all these years, shouts a black woman 'foriegners go home' going out of a car park when they were both in the car from the window. And she says it is ridiculous, because I'm sitting beside her in the car and I'm a foriegner, but it is so obvious that what 'angers' her is the woman's skin colour, I don't seem to bother her, never did a bit probbaly because I'm white and 'Eruopean looking' in her opinion.

She has been living in Europe for 20 years (5 years in London) and never lived a bad thing directed to her. Because she doesn't look like an immigrant. That's a disgusting sentence I had to write. She should leave that place imo and go back to her original European country.