I found this website today putting evolution against creation. It's made for some interesting reading. However, if I facepalm any harder I may injure myself. I can't believe anyone really believes this bullshit:
//http://missinguniversemuseum.com/
Ghehe, yeah to anyone with an education this is completely ridiculous. I can understand why it works anyway.
That family tree thing makes sense. If you remove all the lines of a map of a metropolitan city you'll see god formed sky scrapers too..
http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit3.htm (http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit3.htm)
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Quote from: "BlackL1ght"I found this website today putting evolution against creation. It's made for some interesting reading. However, if I facepalm any harder I may injure myself. I can't believe anyone really believes this bullshit:
//http://missinguniversemuseum.com/
Do you ever read Conservapedia? I'm 100% convinced 99% of it is written by parodists. (It's easy to sound realistic when you mock something that's a mockery of itself, or whatever.) By the same token I think this link is intended as a joke.
Whether it is a parody or not, it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible. Asking to prove evolution is a fact is silly, because no theory can be proven as a fact because science doesn't work that way because it is always tentative and doesn't claim absolute knowledge like religion does. However, science is based on knowledge and not on ignorance claiming to be knowledge like religion does. :roll: Solitary
Quote from: "Solitary"Whether it is a parody or not, it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible. :roll: Solitary
Solitary, you are thinking of Abrahamic religions. Advaita in Hinduism and buddhism accept science in its totality.
Quote from: "BlackL1ght"I found this website today putting evolution against creation. It's made for some interesting reading. However, if I facepalm any harder I may injure myself. I can't believe anyone really believes this bullshit:
//http://missinguniversemuseum.com/
I like the little tag where they command students to give THEIR test to teachers to see if the teachers know what they are teaching. That is the biggest brainwash scam since the NAZIs turned the youth of Germany against their parents.
Any kid is going to jump at the chance to defy authority and state that the grown ups don't know what they are talking about.
It's one thing to question, it's another to just sell defiance as a product.
I have a neighbor that is old and grizzled. He thinks that he knows everything. He hates what he calls "college boys". He hates scientist, engineers, doctors, lawyers, professors, and any professional. He always tells stories about how engineers would come out to HIS worksite and he would take their plans and throw them away and build his own device that HE claims worked far better. I always call him on his bullshit, and it always turned out that whatever he modified broke down or didn't comply with laws or something like that. He is a typical "southern selfmade engineer." All bullshit, all the time. He was fired for modifying something and costing the company millions in fines and clean up. He worked for Mobil Oil. He lost his pension, all because he didn't accept education and knowledge as valid. He is also a chronic methhead. Typical so typical. His son-in-law keeps him alive and that's how he survives.
Of course he blames his life on Obama and those nasty Liberals. The problem is that there is always a bunch of highschool dropouts hangin' around his garage, smoking pot, with him talking about gettin' poontang, drinkin' ,driving fast cars that they have modified, shooting guns, etc...! He's a devout christian and doesn't belive in evolution, a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, a gay hating racist, a conservative, and a chronic FOX NOISE watcher. His favorite shows are 'Family Guy' (a cartoon), and 2 1/2 Men reruns with Charlie Sheen. I'll mention a program that I've watched on PBS and he goes ballistic cutting down PBS. He hasn't watched a single minute of PBS in his entire life, so ofcourse he knows all about it.
I don't think he has EVER read a book. He keeps his pot in a bible. He epitomizes a true Texas southern redneck.
QuoteThe Missing Universe Museum contrasts the Evolution and Creation models of origins.
That quote alone... so many wouldn't see what's wrong with it...
*insert picture of a sad faced hobo-clown humping a balloon animal
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"Quote from: "Solitary"Whether it is a parody or not, it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible. :roll: Solitary
Solitary, you are thinking of Abrahamic religions. Advaita in Hinduism and buddhism accept science in its totality.
Since science requires a physical brain for consciousness, that's false. Science doesn't recognize "pure consciousness".
I don't think I've ever seen as much misunderstanding and straw in one place at one time. There's not one thing on the site that could be called a valid argument, not even an incorrect valid argument.
Quote from: "Colanth"Quote from: "Aupmanyav"Quote from: "Solitary"Whether it is a parody or not, it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible. :roll: Solitary
Solitary, you are thinking of Abrahamic religions. Advaita in Hinduism and buddhism accept science in its totality.
Since science requires a physical brain for consciousness, that's false. Science doesn't recognize "pure consciousness".
? What does "pure consciousness" even mean, and what does it have to do with Buddhism or Hinduism?
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"Quote from: "Solitary"Whether it is a parody or not, it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible. :roll: Solitary
Solitary, you are thinking of Abrahamic religions. Advaita in Hinduism and buddhism accept science in its totality.
Thanks for your post!
I'm not knowledgeable of Advaita, but I am of Hinduism and Buddhism in general. Hinduism considered Buddha to be one of their gods, and Buddha said not to waste your time with trying to understand reality which is what science does. I do not consider the original teachings of Buddha to be religious by the normal definition of religion, only philosophical and a good way to live ones life, which I follow. Hinduism and modern Buddhism both have magical thinking, prayers, and rituals which are not compatible with science even if science is excepted. Solitary
Quote from: "Colanth"I don't think I've ever seen as much misunderstanding and straw in one place at one time. There's not one thing on the site that could be called a valid argument, not even an incorrect valid argument.
Even though this is not an argument: "it does show that religion and science are in fact incompatible," do you believe this isn't true? Solitary
Quote from: "Colanth"Science doesn't recognize "pure consciousness".
Strains of 'advaita' also do not recognize 'pure consciousness'. They say 'Brahman' is 'what exists', and we do not know 'what exists'. 'Brahman' is not necessarily God, it is 'nirguna' (without attributes), uninvolved and formless. They do say only one entity exists (non-duality). From various 'upanishads':
"Sarvam hi etad brahma ayam ?tm? brahm sah ayam ?tm?"
(All indeed is this Brahman; my 'self' is Brahman, it (Brahman) is my 'self')
"Sarvam khalu idam Brahma"
(All this here is Brahman)
"Ekam ev?dvitiyam brahma"
(Brahman is one, without a second)
'Brahma' is also the word for the universe. (Brahm? is different, that is the creator God in the theist hindu trinity).
That's a lot of words to say basically nothing...
Quote from: "Solitary"Hinduism considered Buddha to be one of their gods, and Buddha said not to waste your time with trying to understand reality which is what science does. .. Hinduism and modern Buddhism both have magical thinking, prayers, and rituals which are not compatible with science even if science is excepted.
Hinduism is not a monolith. There are many strains in it. Buddha, of course, is the ninth avatara of Lord Vishnu for a majority of theist hindus but that is 'Vaishnavas' (those who consider Lord Vishnu as the Supreme God). For 'Shaivas', Shiva is the Supreme God, and for 'Shaktas', the mother Goddess Durga is the Supreme Power (Shakti). Then, there are those who go by Vedas, they are termed as 'Smartas'. The latter three do not accept Buddha as a God. In 'advaita' (non-duality), either all things may be considered God (Pantheism), or none can be considered God. I follow the atheistic 'advaita'.
As for prayers, Manduka Upanishad said:
"In darkness are those who worship the manifest, in greater darkness are those who worship the unmanifest."
That I suppose should make things clear.
Quote from: "GurrenLagann"What does "pure consciousness" even mean, and what does it have to do with Buddhism or Hinduism?
It is a difficult subject and I do not subscribe to it. However, I tried and found a good explanation of what it means in hinduism. I give that below:
"Brahman is the one Consciousness in all manifested forms. As gold remains gold alone, whether it is molded into coins, jewellery, idols or anything else, the universal Consciousness remains the same, no matter in which form it is manifested. Whatever we see or know as this universe, as God and as ourselves, is nothing but the play of this one Consciousness. It is the light of Consciousness that illumines everything, both within and without. Sankara retells a story from the Upanishads, which is actually a dialogue between a guru and his disciple.
The guru asks the disciple, by what light do you see? The disciple replies, by sunlight in the daytime, and by lamplight at night.
G: By what light do you see these lights?
D: By the light of my eyes, naturally.
(Without the eyes, all other lights prove useless for the purpose.)
G: And by what light do your eyes see?
D: By the light of consciousness, indeed!
(Even when the eyes are open, one can miss seeing an object right before one's eyes if the awareness is directed elsewhere.)
G: That is true!
Thus, know that Consciousness is the Light by which all else is seen."
In buddhism, it may be 'dhammakaya', 'tathagatagarbha', 'buddha-nature', or 'bodhikaya'.
Quote from: "Plu"That's a lot of words to say basically nothing...
No problem if you have this opinion. For me it joins my religion with science, and lets me remain true to my religion and culture without contravening it in any way. If you have time, you may read about 'Atheistic Roots of Hindu Philosophy'. It is just one page at http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... e-shankara (http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-05-22/edit-page/28331091_1_god-acceptance-shankara)
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"For me it joins my religion with science
Again, science says that you can't have consciousness without a brain. Your religion says you can. If you can join "can" and "can't", more power to you, but people who understand what words mean don't try to delude themselves that way.
Colanth: Your religion says you can.
You see, Colanth, my religion is a ocean. There is no end to what my religion can say. For me, as an atheist advaitist Hindu, science and religion are same.